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  • #76380
    bill
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    One thing that I hate is being publicly shamed. I don’t know why people do this but they must be angry or they wouldn’t.
    I the space of 30 minutes I was publicly shamed twice.

    First, I am trying to get off of a bus to meet someone. Two times I asked someone to move to let me off by politely asking – I said please excuse me. But they did not move. finally, I tried to move around them. As I am exiting the bus, one of the girls says to me “why don’t you say excuse me”.

    Then I am sitting down at the cafe and a man comes in and tells me I should mind my manners because I let the door close on him. I did not even know anyone was behind me when I came in to sit down. I never act rudely if I can possibly help it. I am always trying to be kind and helpful to people but I have a very hard time dealing with shame. Shame stays with me and really affects me.

    Up until now I wanted to be a person who made the world a better place. Much of my life was geared to this. But I am not making very much money and have had a stressful life in recent years.

    Suddenly it occurred to me. If people are going to shame me so much and make me feel this bad, why don’t I just become a truly rude and selfish person and NEVER make an effort anymore. Instead of feeling so bad I can just sit back and laugh at them in the face for expecting politeness in a world of incredible injustice and cruelty.

    Being kind should be its own reward but I feel so shamed and miserable that I don’t want to be kind because I am tired of all this shame I carry around. My desire to be kind has been eroded.

    HOw do I deal with this?

    #76381
    Ariane Michaud
    Participant

    Well, I can say that we all have days when we feel like the world- and everyone in it- are out to get us!
    This is just a natural part of life- we cannot truly experience the yin without the yang.
    Having said that, I think it’s inadvisable to give up and decide to be rude and horrible to people.
    That will only make matters worse for you- as you will be sending out a plethora of negativity, and it will come back to you.

    Instead, you should try to practice mindfulness.
    There will always be rude people in the world- and while we can’t change their behavior, we can choose to NOT react to them.
    I started practicing this quite a few years ago- and I’ve gotten pretty good at it!
    When people are rude and awful, I just think “it’s not my job to punish them- but I CAN show them compassion”

    Also, why do you allow yourself to feel so guilty and ashamed about what others think and/or say?
    If you know your truth- what they think shouldn’t hold so much power

    🙂

    #76429
    Kath
    Participant

    Dear Bill,

    I can understand how this must feel, I guess it happens to most of us, especially if we feel vulnerable or carry some kind of resentment… It feels like “I’m trying really hard but no one notices, and I am being treated rude in return!”
    However, the way you describe it it sounds as if the people on the bus really just did not hear you! Very probably they did not mean to be rude, but just did not get you wanted out and then felt you were being the one who just expects them to step aside and recognise what you want…
    It is a misunderstanding, nothing more! Nobody is “good” or “bad” all the time. But in times when other things bother us, it can feel as if everyone is against us and the world is a hostile place…

    I would suggest you leave others out of this at first (people are people) and try to figure out
    1. Why it is so important to you to be seen as a “good” person – maybe it is ok not to be perfect sometimes, or to forget holding open the door… Have a second look at the options you have for reacting – right now you just see black and white: feel really ashamed or turn around and say “f*** you” and laugh in peoples faces and don’t care at all. I’m pretty sure there is something in between like “*shrug* Sorry, no offense intended”.
    2. What makes you so frustrated? Is it really the behaviour of a few people or is it something else? Have you faced a lot of rejection recently or maybe even your whole life? It seems to make you angry, and it is an understandable reaction, but it is something you need to figure out for yourself, because it will influence how you interpret peoples actions…
    3. Why you have so high epxectations towards the interaction with other people? Maybe because your expectations towards yourself are very high, you also think other people should be the same and think and act the same – but they don’t! They all just try their best, and except from a few aholes they rarely mean to make others miserable…

    I wish you good luck and I hope you can find a more positive perspective on things!

    #76431
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You gotta chill, some days i feel pretty pissed at the world in general but not every person is like that obviously. Its a meeting of wrong intentions or wrong time or wrong place, thats all. Sure its become a much brusque place to reside but believe me, our decency and politeness is a choice. Letting it go because we think everyone sucks for those momentary periods of irritation makes no sense – its a lose lose situation potentially for everyone. I have seen people’s lives change profoundly from small acts of kindness and curtesy. Dont let a few straw moments make you so bitter that you lose track of the bigger picture.

    #76432
    Will
    Participant

    Shame is a tough one, and it hurts like hell. I don’t think you really want to give up on being a good person though. I don’t see how it would reduce your shame in any case.

    I agree with Kath, in both of these examples “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t see you there/you didn’t seem to hear me,” is a possible response. The people in your examples were grumpy/rude, but the pain you feel at being “publicly shamed” doesn’t come from them. It comes from something in you. When somebody gives you shit, you don’t have to take it. It’s their shit.

    Rather than planning your transformation into a callous, uncaring supervillain, consider what it is in you that needs other people to always be polite and considerate to you, or that needs to be recognised for the hard effort you put into being a “good person”. Shame is the downside of pride. If you’re collapsing under the weight of your shame, look at the size of your pride.

    I recognise this is probably not the solution you were looking for. On the upside, if the source of your pain is within you, there’s something you can do about it. If the source is everybody else, you’re stuffed. They’re not gonna change.

    I hope my contribution is of some use. The other two responses are also good, and may be more to your liking. In any event, I hope your pain and shame will subside over time, and that you will truly feel the benefits of your kindness every day.

    All good things to you.

    #76435
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Bill,

    I can understand getting momentarily pissed at people for being rude. But shame comes from a deep, unconscious place or from the distant past. These people are triggering you, that’s all. And if total strangers can make you feel shamed, you’re in trouble! You are putting random people in the street above you somehow. Not good.

    But acting out and being a jerk would be like being a tantruming child or a rebellious teen in The Universe. When my child is having a tantrum I ignore him/her. But when my teen rebels, the teen better watch out! I’m saying don’t be surprised if you get your azz handed back to you when you try to behave as they do. They’ve been rude all their life, you see, and know how to get away with it. You’d be just getting started.

    Better solution is to grow a spine and talk back. Not meanly, but here… The bus: “Get your hearing checked, sweetheart. I did say excuse me.” The door incident with the guy: “I didn’t hear/see you behind me, you are like a ninja, you’re so quiet.”

    Learn Assertiveness. Look it up online or in books. It is an awesome life tool!

    Best,

    Inky

    #76462
    Kath
    Participant

    Thanks for that word, Inky! For some reason there is no real german equivalent to “assertiveness” – those that are translate to something close to “presumption” 😀
    The closest you can get is something like “self confidence”, but this just opened up a whole new aspect 🙂

    #76490
    bill
    Participant

    Thank you for thoughts.

    #76888
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Bill:
    It has been a while since your post. I hope my response is still relevant to you. I believe that I feel some of your pain, that of being shamed and being discouraged. I often felt that.

    People often enough feel that I am rude while i do not intend to be rude and am simply not paying attention. I may jump in line in a store not noticing other people are standing in line. Or I may speak to a person not noticing that person is listening to another person talking to them, etc. I can’t blame the others thinking i am rude and not knowing i was not paying attention.

    I hope you can be a good person without paying dues to unearned shame.
    Take care:
    anita

    #76933
    Rose Tattoo
    Participant

    I guess the question is: what behavior makes you feel better about being YOU? I know how it feels to have people pick on you criticize you, gossip. etc, and I’ve certainly felt like being pissy and disrespectful back (and sometimes I am). But at the end of the day, I’d rather know that I did my best to make my presence in the world a positive one (including trying not to be reactive if someone takes out their bad day or misunderstanding on me).

    I think that experiences like these are meant to teach us patience, and to not take things so personally.

    It’s easy for people to use shame, but it can also be incredibly damaging. When someone treats you this way, consider tapping into your inherent compassion and realizing that they may not have understood the situation, or are struggling with their own stuff and are taking out their frustrations on you.

    Don’t let their struggles and behavior change you for the worst!

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