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    Andrea
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    Disclaimer: Ok, so there’s A LOT of stuff on my mind that I want to talk about, so I really hope that you can keep up with me. It’s my first time in this forum and I’m hoping I can get insight on this situation, as well as connection with all the nice people that seem to linger here. 🙂 I’m going to be as transparent and real as I possibly can so I can understand myself better in the process. I may seem contradictory at times, but I guess all of us are.

    Ok, so back in July 2018 I started getting involved with someone who I had known from my thesis class. At the moment, to give some background, I had been going through a situation where I had been rejected by someone who I had become obsessed about, and, knowing what kind of a state I was in, I had told myself not to get involved with anyone. Alas, I did; I wanted to try something fun and, I guess, secretly, I was looking for a way out of this pain that I was feeling.

    He’s younger than me. 5 years to be exact. I’m almost 30 and he’s amost 25.

    I immediately was attracted to this guy because he seemed like he had a secret very sweet and tender part to him, and also because he spoke English and had lived in the States (I live in Costa Rica at the moment, but I lived half of my life in the States and as a result, finding someone who I can click with is not that easy). He was cute, smart, sensitive, funny and I decided that I wanted to get to know him better. I had told myself that I didn’t want to start something physical with him (sex) until I actually got to know him better, which is what I had always done with men, and which had sped things up in a bad way. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen. I guess, I’m too much of a horndog for that, or I find too much enjoyment in sex (also as a way of connecting with someone). It’s an impulsive side of me that I have to work on.

    Anyway, I had been hooked. I liked the guy and I kept going over to his house to sleep with him and hang out. I wondered about the possibility of doing something more serious with him, because, honestly, that’s what I wanted. I’ve never been comfortable with “casual things” and I feel like the world, and, especially, young people, use hooking up and sex as a means of using people and not having emotional accountability with them. It’s like the world is afraid of love and what it implies.

    You know when you first meet someone and the rush of it all gets in the way and you’re blind to a lot of personality traits that this person has? That was me. I had noticed that he was a bit on the cold side at times, especially the way we communicated when we texted (things like: taking a while to respond, or being not very expressive, etc, not replying when I sent him funny things/things that I wanted him to see…). One day, while we were hanging out, he told me he didn’t want to hold hands because apparently he used them a lot to talk. Okay…I called bullshit. But figured that he probably didn’t want to go there yet.

    A few weeks in, I asked him if he was interested in something more serious. He said, flatly, “no.” That day I was heartbroken, and I ran to his bathroom and cried. He didn’t come for me. I went back to his room, and, though my instinct told me that it was time to leave, I ended up staying. We slept together again. I guess I just didn’t have the impetus or the courage to go.

    Some time passed. I tried to talk to him, time and again, about getting into something more serious. He said that he didn’t want to ruin this thing that we had between us, and that, in a way, he wanted both of us to use each other, and just enjoy the moment. And, yet, he texted me constantly about how he wanted my warmth, to be close to me, kiss emojis, things like that.  Finally, it came to this one night where, after asking him what exactly it was that was different about “a relationship” and what we had, he finally said that he didn’t want a dependency thing. I said, of course, that it wasn’t going to be like that. But I wanted to hold off on the sex thing for a while. He agreed. And he agreed under the condition that we would be honest with each other.

    Well, the sex thing didn’t last long. We started being more serious. But, again, I kept noticing things about him that would put me off, which, with time, I have come to realize that they are just parts of him, of his personality. However, I guess, at that time, the irritation that started building up around all of these “quirks” got ahold, and I started becoming annoyed with him, at the way he was. I figured, at the time, that it was incompatability. But it was weird because I had worked so hard to get this more serious thing with him and when I did, when he did start texting me more responsively or when he was more “there”, I started hating him for it. I guess that I thought he was like a loser who had first gotten involved with someone, and a part of me hated him for it. I wanted someone who was different, more mature, “cooler”, older, who was “smart” about the whole situation, who would take control….A lot of things that, to this day, I’m still trying to understand. They seem downright contradictory to me. It’s like…okay, you noticed how cold he was, and you resented him for it, but you want someone who’s sensitive, but not TOO sensitive? You want someone who is sweet, but not TOO sweet? At the same time, I feel like some of these wants are valid…You don’t want too much of one side or the other. So, yes, I figured that I had really pinpointed on aspects of him that I couldn’t stand and that maybe (and I say this with a lot of pain) we weren’t compatible with. This is still confusing to me, and I hope that through this thread I can work through them.

    Anyway, fast forward to one time I had told him I needed some space. I realized, at that time, how much I actually liked him, and genuinely wanted to work things out with him. I was hoping that he would give me the open space that I needed for him to understand where I was coming from, for me to “deposit” all of my feelings about this situation, and that he would be loving and understanding about the situation. I even wrote him a letter so that I could get everything through. I needed his trust.

    It didn’t happen. He was annoyed by the situation and, all through that night, I felt there was no genuine desire for him to meet me in that vulnerable emotional spot with kindness….of course, he was interested in me working through this situation, but his philosophy was always “it all depends on you to figure yourself out.” Now, I understand that nobody should be there to “fix” your insecurities. That is up to you. The best thing they can do is be understanding. And I felt like he never was. A part of me was wounded from there on, and has not been able to reconcile that, and I guess, it’s a big part of what I still carry.

    From there on, it kind of all went downhill. I told him that we should go back to being more “friends with benefits” because I was overwhelmed with everything. I started seeing a psychologist, because the whole situation was making me feel extremely anxious. She suggested that we hold off on the sex part and work on the other parts of our relationship, which I told him about. He didn’t want to, thought the whole idea was stupid and that if two people enjoyed something and it made them connect, then they shouldn’t take it away. The irritation kept building. I almost broke up with him at that point, but I didn’t have the courage to. Things were kind of shitty then, until I decided that I needed more love in my life from people who knew how to express it, and, after tossing the idea of leaving him for weeks, I finally felt like the time was right. I told him that I, honestly, couldn’t be with anyone at the moment. He agreed, and he said that it would be good for me to have my own space.

    (I’m going to digress here a bit: I’m an aspiring musical theater actress, and, at the time, I was rehearsing intensely for two shows. The shows were about to premiere when I told him that I needed some space but I still wanted him to see them, because he knew how important they were for me. I asked him if he was still going to go and he said that he wouldn’t because he really didnt like that kind of stuff. Ouch. But I understood, I guess, that he was hurt and that he couldn’t be there for me at that time.)

    This was when things got hard. I was suddenly faced with his abscence and, deep down, this guilt that the problem was ME. That I could have been perfectly happy and functional but the problem was me and my codependency and my anxiety and that I was the one messed up. Yet, I couldn’t go back with him because I didn’t want us to go through another shit fest where I didn’t know what I wanted. And yet, I missed him. Terribly. I felt guilty and I missed him. Yet, a part of me just kept screaming and screaming: enough.

    A few weeks ago I contacted him again because I wanted to let him know that I had no hard feelings for him and that I cared for him. He accepted. I even tried to see him again for coffee, but he blew me off, under the excuse that he had been hungover that day, had to clean and that he had another party to go to that day. That hurt. He didn’t care for me to the point where I cared for the situation.

    Anyway, I kept insisting and we finally found a time to see each other. I went to his house, with really no plan in mind but to know what his feelings were about the situation and how he had processed the whole thing. Again, deep in me, I had told myself that I wanted this to be over, but also another part thought that I could fix it, that we could fix it, and that we could be happy.

    That night, I asked him what he thought about the whole thing. He basically told me that he was never angry at me, that he was “about” to help me with my situation, and that he was still physically and emotionally attracted to me. I told him that what I aspired to was a stable relationship with someone, where I could build something with someone. He told me that “stability is within me”. I never freaking understood what he meant by that. He also said that he thought expectations kill relationships and that he didn’t believe in them for that. I didn’t answer to him what I actually thought of that, because I guess I was understanding of him and his ideas. But, honestly, you DO need to expect something from someone in relationships. You DO need accountability. A relationship is like a social contract.

    Anyway, I ended up staying with him, and we even brought up the “not going to the shows thing”. He said that, though, he recorgnized that he needed the space, no one should be forced to go to something they don’t want to go. I don’t know about you guys but if my significant other wanted me to go to convention on neuroscience, I would go, even if I didn’t understand a thing being said, because I care for that person. A feeble attempt to explain that was what I said to him, and he kissed me and said to let him know when the next concert would come around cause he wanted to go. We left not really amounting to a satisfactory amount of understanding. It was enjoyable being with him, though. Our lovemaking was super passionate that night because I think we had let our guard down and we were honest about how much we liked each other. That’s the part that hurts the most, I think. That I think the most we could ever be sincere with each other was physically and that it was real and true in those moments.

    Looking back how I wish I could have FREAKING SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND NOT LEFT UNTIL WE HAD UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER COMPLETELY. I had not actually talked to him, as I intended to.

    Upon leaving the dude, a part of me told me that I shouldn’t be in that situation anymore. And yet, in the past few weeks, I have been the one making all the texts and contacting him. And being anxious about having him reply. On Christmas eve and New Years too. He’s on a family trip right now and on the 25th I told myself “Okay, let HIM do the looking.” I’m not going to look for him again. If he’s really interested, let him express that.

    To this day, he has not sent me, on his account, a single text (though I understand he has been traveling and probably has other things in mind). On the 31st, after receiving a simple “Happy New Years!” from him, I thing my resistance to the situation finally gave way and I knew that enough was enough. That this situation had been extended too far and that it was time to be over and to move on. That I deserve better for me, someone who is there for me and who shows it, who I can deposit my trust into, who I know is going to be there for me at the end of the day.

    And that’s where I’m at right now.

    It’s been incredibly hard to let him go. And that’s the main issue here, isn’t it? That not all was bad, that I really did have feelings for him, and that I fell for a lot of him, but we never really built that trust. That we suffer horrible communication problems. And that maybe we are more incompatible than I can confess to. And yet, when nightime comes, I miss him again, and I start thinking and feeling that I was the one that was wrong, and that I could have worked things out. One thing I have come to realize is the maturity to know that he is who he is, and that he’s not a bad person, but is just where he’s at in life. And I’m where I’m at, and I have different needs and expectations of someone who is romantically involved with me. I talked to a wise friend who told me that, in the end, there are no perfect relationships and that every relationship is going to bring out a dynamic where the two of you are going to be put in a situation to grow….But I guess I just don’t have the courage and too much of a fear of being alone to decide that this shit fest is not MY kind of shit fest.

    My heart can’t seem to let him go, though my logical mind and my intuition keep telling me otherwise.

    So I go through my days, daydreaming sometimes about him, and missing him other times or feeling sad, but then knowing deep down that this is possibly the best decision I could have taken. Stll, the very sneaky bug of guilt resides within me. Sometimes, I even get jolts where I’m like “no, I should talk to him and figure stuff out and fix it.” I can’t help but to recognize that a lot of things were left unsaid and always misunderstood and how I wish he could know 1% of how I am feeling right now. How I wish I could have been actually honest and authentic with him. And, also, what breaks my heart is this desire that he had to see one of my concerts and that never possibly happening.

    Believe me, this has been a hell of a growing opportunity for him and for that I’ll always be thankful for him. I’ve realized just how much I’m willing to go through for attachment. How much I’m willing to “change” and “hide parts of” for someone else’s love. I’ve been doing so much introspection. But I would greatly appreciate those who can help me dig through this gently and understand what the hell even happened.

    So much love and wishing you all have a good 2019.

     

    #272355
    GL
    Participant

    Dear Andrea,

    The conditions for a stable relationship is mostly based on communications, acceptance, responsibility, commitment and openness. But whether a person will work toward it is entirely their choice. You can have expectation for your relationship since you want it to work out, but you can’t really have heavy expectations in the way of your partner. You can predict their actions and their thoughts, but until they have taken actions of some kind, then you won’t understand their stance in your relationship. You can voice your thoughts on the matter and ask to work on it with them, but in the end, their action is dependent on whether they are willing to commit.  After all, you cannot ask more than a person is willing to give.

    Now, there are several red flags for you to think about.

    1. When you asked your ex if he was willing to commit to a serious relationship, he had rejected it. So you weren’t going to get the serious and intimate relationship you were hoping for. He had made his stance early on, but you still chose to pursued a relationship. Whether you were thinking he might changed his mind later on, I don’t know, but he had made his stance and people rarely change their decision so easily. Especially when he made it obvious that he is not inclined to commit to a serious relationship that will turn co-dependent in the future.

    2. Your thought of “young people” using sex as a way of using people and not holding accountability is quite the prejudice against those younger than you. There are many sexual inclinations as much as there are people in the world and studies have shown that teens these days are actually having less sex these days. So is this thought a projection of what you might be thinking about yourself or your previous partners/crushes? Because projection is from personal experience.

    3. You seem to find unavailable men to be attractive. From the beginning it was your obsession with someone who had rejected your confession and after it’s someone who had declined to enter a serious relationship with you. But when that casual relationship seemed to be turning serious, you begin to feel irritated. After the person that was inattentive and distance begin to be more accountable for their share of the work in your relationship, you begin to find fault in their actions. You begin to feel that the relationship might be incompatible. You felt safe, though insecure, when your ex was absence, but felt strange and anger when he began to lessen that distance.

    4. It seem that you had a lot of intimacy through your bodies, but very little communications. You went to his house and slept, but didn’t really talk except through text. You want to share your interest with him, but he shows no interest. Everyone has different ways of showing support. Though I advocate that a partner should not have to attend any shows just because their partner has interest since emotional support is shown in encouragement, not attending any show to placate their partner. That just sow resentment. But I digress. Now, even before you broke off, you laid together in bliss because you thought he understood what you were trying to tell him. But the thing is, communication take time and effort. It takes a series of discussions with the parties involved willing to listen to every side and angle. It is vulnerable and messy, but it is open and honest. You can’t ever truly understand a person, but they can try to show you who they are. Even then, it is an ongoing work. So did he willingly listen to your insecurities and did you really understand what he was trying to tell you about himself?

    5. Rather than think that this is a good opportunity of growth for him, something that he decides for himself, decide for yourself what you’ve learn from it.

    6. You haven’t set good boundaries for yourself.

    You can’t fix a relationship that wasn’t there in the first place. You had began a casual fling with someone you found attractive, but who like the physical aspect more than the emotional part of your relationship. But deep in your heart, you wish for that share emotion between two people in a serious, romantic relationship. But you’re not going to get it from your ex. He had told you from the beginning that he does not desire emotional intimacy at this point in time. And now that he is, again, unavailable, you want to pursued a relationship again because you miss him. You want to fix what you think is broken even when your intuition is telling you otherwise.

    So what is it that he was filling inside of you that you want him back? Better yet, what is it that he represent that makes him so tempting that you willingly ignore your own intuition to pursue him? What kind of story are you telling yourself about your relationship and him that makes you want to go back? There’s a lot of question you need to ask yourself.

    #272371
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Andrea:

    You probably forgot that you posted a thread here more than five years ago. I read it and will try to connect it to this thread because I think it may be helpful.

    In that thread you wrote about an ex boyfriend “who was  very argumentative and  always wanting  to prove things ‘right”, and not  in the kindest constructive way. My dad (and  my mom… likes to argue for the sake  of argument, and always has ways of coming around what you’re saying. It drives me crazy because it leaves me feeling, again, non-competent,  and unsure of anything: always fearing that I’ll be put down  or argued with. Also, he tends to drive things to personal levels.. it’s gotten to the point where  even in the most  ridiculous situations (when I’m just giving an opinion on something… I feel dread and fear for being  put down by him..

    I’ve made some advancements in  that area, by accepting  my dad for who he is… But some part  of me (a little agitated voice just feels so  inferior and  crushed whenever he  finds some way  around a point… some part  of me wants to destroy my self-esteem whenever I do  understand a point that he makes (because then it means that mine is ‘wrong’ and therefore, I’m ‘wrong'”

    Earlier in that  thread you wrote: “I have these thoughts… incessant self-doubt and paranoid fears over being put down/ destroyed/ refuted when expressing my views”.

    On this thread you shared that you “immediately was attracted  to this guy because he seemed like he had a secret very sweet and  tender part  to him”. You enjoyed sex with him for the pleasure of it and “as a way of connecting with someone”. You don’t value “hooking up and sex as a means  of using people and not having emotional accountability with them”. You noticed that “he was a bit on the cold side at times… being not very expressive, etc..” At one point you asked him “if he was interested in something more serious”, he said no, you were heartbroken. “my instinct told me that it was time  to leave, I ended up staying. We slept  together again”. Later, “We started being more serious”, but you “kept noticing things about him that would  put me off”, an irritation about his quirks, “and I started becoming annoyed with him, at the way he was”.

    You wrote: “it was weird because I had worked so  hard to get this more  serious thing with him and  when  I did.. when he  was  more ‘there’, I started hating him for it…I wanted someone who was different, more mature, ‘cooler’, older, who  was ‘smart’ about  the  whole situation, who  would take  control”.

    You asked yourself, puzzled about what you want: “you want someone who’s sensitive, but not TOO sensitive? You want someone who is sweet, but not TOO sweet?”

    Later, in his absence you felt “this guilt that the problem was  ME… that I was the one messed up”, you missed him terrible, “Yet, a part of me just kept  screaming  and  screaming: enough”

    Later you went  to his house, “Again, deep  in me, I had told myself that I wanted this to be over, but also another part  thought that I could  fix it, that we could fix it, and that we could  be happy”.

    You wrote: “A relationship is like  a social contract”, and “Looking back how  I wish I could have FREAKING SAT DOWN WITH HIM AND NOT LEFT UNTIL WE HAD UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER COMPLETELY”.

    You wrote: “how I wish he could know 1% of how I am feeling right now. How  I wish I could have been actually honest and  authentic with him”, and that you realize “how much I’m willing to ‘change’ and ‘hide  parts of’ for someone else’s love”

    Finally, you wrote: “I would greatly appreciate those who can help me dig through this gently and understand what the hell even happened”-

    This is my understanding of what  happened: like you wrote, “a relationship  is like  a social contract”. There  was such a contract in your relationship with your father: to gain any bit of his approval, you had to be “willing to ‘change’ and ‘hide parts of (yourself)”. In that relationship you felt an intense  love  for him, an  intense desire that  he will love you back. You badly wanted your father, throughout years and years, to finally “know 1% of how (you are) feeling”, but he didn’t. You wanted  him to  finally understand you, but he didn’t.

    You badly tried  to “fix it”, the relationship with your father, that is, but also, you were also angry with him, and wanted  to get away from him, “a part  of me just kept screaming and  screaming: enough”, too tired, exhausted and  frustrated having been  trying for so long, tired of “feeling, again, non competent, and unsure of anything: always fearing that I’ll be put down or argued with”.

    I think that you have a desire for a man who will be like your father, “more mature, ‘cooler’, older, who was ‘smart’.. who would take  control”, and change him into a man who will finally know how you feel,  understand that you don’t want to argue, you just want  to be loved.

    anita

     

     

     

    #272381
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Andrea,

    There is a huge difference between a woman pushing 30 and a 25 year old guy. That’s number one. Women in their thirties are by and large family oriented and need their nest. Men (boys) in their twenties are just thinking about their nests, or not at all. Let the men in their twenties build their nest! Leave them alone! Find a guy who’s your age, or, better, older!

    The other part is, you ended up with him because a guy you were obsessed with turned you down. So you went for this young guy (subconsciously) to redeem yourself, to prove a point, to prove yourself to yourself that you’ve still got it. You thought (subconsciously) that a younger guy would treat you like a queen, worship you like a goddess, or, at the very least, treat you the way you deserve to be treated.

    So now what has happened is this younger guy has, in fact, rejected you, but he never outright rejected you with his words. But his (non) actions speak volumes, doesn’t it?

    Seek a guy your age or older.

    Best,

    Inky

    #272423
    Andrea
    Participant

    Thanks for the replies, guys. A lot of stuff to chew on.

    GL

    2. What I do not understand and am against is this very popular act of just sleeping with whomever you want with no “strings attached” and no accountability whatsoever. Sex, as much as we try to argue against it, is emotional to an extent. To wanna engage with as many people as you possibly can without having any emotional bond  or responsibility whatsoever  implied is infantile thinking. It’s not possible in a long-term basis.  People, at the end of they day, can do whatever they want (as long as there is consent) but at any rate, it’s something that I personally don’t want to engage in.

    1. I’ll admit, I believed that the guy could change his mind, that he can change his mind. That he was just scared of trying something new. Part of me still resonates with that…but in the end, it’s his choice, no? I can’t change someone. It’s that belief that a lot of women have that we can “change” someone, no? Is that not rampant? How much of that is actually true? I do see your point of him having rejected me from the get go and that should have been a sign to let go. There was nothing wrong with me wanting what I wanted, but I really wonder why I have been pulling this for as long as I have, when I know what I want. Which brings me to point number 3.

    3. I really want to delve into this point. Could it be that something about them being unavailable attract me? What could that say about me? I talked to another friend about this and he told me that “shame” might be a factor when it comes to my relationships, namely, shame of the choices that I make and the people I choose to date. Because, while I was with him, I was mostly happy, stable, enjoyed being with him…but when he was apart, when we were in public, or when the thought of me introducing him to other people, those kinds of thoughts would come up. What do you guys think?

    4. Can you elaborate on what you said about emotional support? Look, my parents don’t come to everything I do, but I know that they still love me and support me 100% in what I do, and are excited when I am excited about things. Is that what you mean? Still, this guy did not ask me once about tickets or when the shows would be…only when I brought it up. I don’t honestly know if he listened to me more than I am sure that I actually listened to him. If only we hadn’t gone to bed straight away and we had just talked more!

    5. That part was just a typo on my part. I meant a learning opportunity for me. 😉 And, yes, I have seen what I can do to the extent that I have for the fear of losing someone.

    6. Can you elaborate on this too?

    So what is it that he was filling inside of you that you want him back? Better yet, what is it that he represent that makes him so tempting that you willingly ignore your own intuition to pursue him? What kind of story are you telling yourself about your relationship and him that makes you want to go back? There’s a lot of question you need to ask yourself.

    Those are the questions that I am introspecting about these days. I’ll be posting my conclusions soon. 😉

     

    #272427
    Andrea
    Participant

    Anita:

    How did you possibly remember what I had written here more than 5 years ago?!?! 🙂 I remember now. Wow, think you could link me to that thread? Wow, some common patterns here…I do have to say, I’m not the same person I was back then. My relationship with my father has not yet been resolved (and probably won’t until I am able to gain more literal space from him), but those things don’t bother me anymore? Those thoughts don’t haunt me. However, conditioning runs deep. Hm…

    Can you elaborate more on what you mean in that last paragraph? A part of me can feel, not see, what you mean, but Im not sure. I want to be with a man who will just understand me and love me? Who will give me that sense of validation I’m so desperately seeking? Who will be able to take control of the situation?

     

    #272431
    Andrea
    Participant

    Inky:

    Thanks. You’re right. As much as we tried to fight against this fact. I want what I want, and he wants what he wants, and age very much does have to do with it.

    #272441
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear  Andrea:

    I did not  remember that you  posted here  before, I clicked  on your user  name and  got a record  of  your prior posts and threads, you can do the same and read your  own thread of five years ago.

    My post to you today includes quotes from that thread and your current thread. Before  posting to me again on this thread, if you will, why don’t you read that older thread first.

    You wrote that  you are  a changed person, in  some  ways you have changed, got into theater,  for one. But the  neuropathways formed in our childhood don’t change because time goes  by, and  so I rely on childhood experience to be a  most significant factor in our lives  as adults.

    I understand that you live  with your father, correct?

    Regarding the last  paragraph of  the prior  post, before I elaborate, I  will check first: do  you consider your father “mature…  ‘cooler’, older.. smart… (one) who would  take control”?

    anita

     

    #272835
    Andrea
    Participant

    Hi, Anita.

    Sorry for taking long to reply. Had a bit of a hectic weekend.  First, I didn’t realize that you vocould see your own posts, haha. But upon looking at it, wow, what a trip down memory lane, first off. I’ve been thinking about what you told me and what resonates with me is that I definitely had (have) patterns where I expect the man to be dominant over the situation. And that definitely does sound like my dad. And maybe cultural conditioning? I definitely don’t think he’s mature (at least, consciously), but I do have that tendency to want a guy to take control.

    As an update of my present state, I’ve been feeling so so. I realized yesterday what people mean by the mind saying one thing and the heart saying another. It’s at night, especially, when the heart takes over and I start feeling sad. Also, one thing I’m working through is the sensation of guilt that I have over ending this. Some part of me is still nagging about the fact that he told me to invite him to the next concert I had. My ego and my mind tells me “you’ve been contacting him enough! Let him show some interest, if he even cares a bit for you.” The other is like…well, he’s sensitive, maybe he’s hesitant to speak. But part of me sick and tired of chasing him around. I had a huge important event happen for me and, again, nothing from him. I wonder where these feelings of guilt come from…. guilt has been an important factor of my relationship with my father.

    Anyway, I’m working on taking it easy too. I really feel like I want to enjoy the present and whatever is happening right now and end this on-going story.

    Thanks, again, for all your help.

    #272839
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Andrea:

    You are welcome.

    If you want to explore that  guilt (“I wonder where these  feelings of guilt come  from.. Guilt has been an important factor of my relationship with my father”), we can:

    In your thread  of five years ago you wrote: “My dad… likes to argue for the  sake of argument… he tends  to drive things to personal levels”-

    How did he or does he “drive things to personal levels”?

    anita

    #272883
    Vee
    Participant

    Hello, I’ve been having a lot on my mind but I will try to be quick so I don’t lose myself. I just wanted to clear out that I’m 17 years old and I know it’s quite an young age to worry so much about a relationship but here it goes.

    I started dating my boyfriend almost 2 years ago and we just connected so much. 7 months in we were having some problems and we decided to have a break up and he decided to be with another girl for about 3 months. We then got back together and we were very happy and everything was so perfect. Even like this I never felt the same in my own sick. I felt very insecure and depressed most of the time, regardless of how happy I truly was with him. Later on the summer of 2018 e started having doubts about how much I loved him and if I did or did not. After many hours of crying and research I realized that most of what I felt was driven from ROCD, which my therapist reaffirmed.

    Now those thoughts at back but in a slightly different way. Instead of constantly questioning how much I love him all I can think is that maybe I’ve fallen out of love and I’m truly no longer in love with him.. this thought makes me sad because i don’t want to lose him, but the idea of not leaving also scares me.. I don’t know if it is rocd again or maybe me truly falling out of love.

    I feel like nothing in life brings me true joy anymore and so our relationship but I didn’t want to throw it all away. I’m really scared to be honest.

    Anyways, could you give me any thoughts or opinions? Thank you very much

    #272891
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Vee: why don’t you start your own thread by clicking FORUMS above, then choosing a category, Relationships, seems to me. Click on that,  scroll down the page, and paste a copy of the above post into the empty box there? If you do I will be glad to reply to you there.

    anita

    #272895
    Vee
    Participant

    Dear Anita

    oh I am so sorry! I am new to the site..

    thank you very much

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