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September 17, 2024 at 6:58 am #438161Taylor2992Participant
i know there’s not necessarily a concrete answer to this question, but i’m struggling with a pattern i’ve been repeating in relationships and i’m trying to figure out how to stop repeating that pattern.
when dating, i usually end up feeling attracted to guys who later stop putting in effort. i tend to chase them and help them with their problems (without really feeling like my emotional needs are being met) for a varying amount of time until i get fed up and end the relationship.
in the latest case, i had been dating a guy for about 2 months. i remember exactly the moment when the energy between us changed. nothing specific happened but we had a great date where he cooked me dinner and afterwards told me how much he appreciates me and likes spending time with me. we had made plans to go camping the following weekend. he called me about once a day for a few days and then suddenly his communication became very flat and much more sparse. i asked him if everything was ok and he said he was stressed about work, but continued to become more distant. i asked him about camping and he said he had forgotten about other plans and couldn’t go. we agreed to see each other that thursday instead since i was going out of town for 2 weeks after the weekend, and he bailed last minute citing work stress. i asked him if i could help in any way and he said no.
i started to feel very anxious, thinking i did something wrong to drive him away and was upset he didn’t want to see me before my big trip. this is the part where i know there’s an opportunity to change my pattern but i’m not sure how. instead of looking inward, self soothing, and continuing to wait it out at the increasing cost of my own mental health (what i normally do) i decided to go to the opposite direction. i asked him to call me when he was ready, and when we talked i told him that it makes me feel like he’s not interested when he bails on plans. he was cold and shut down, and i told him that i would rather be friends. i didn’t really mean to end things in that conversation but i couldn’t find the right words in the moment.
we kept talking casually during my trip but he was understandably closed off at first since i had ended things. however communication increased on both sides and we ended up talking on the phone for 2 hours and he then initiated sexting. i asked him if he’d want to meet up when i was back. i convinced myself i had ended things prematurely and should have been more understanding about his work stress. then of course, the same pattern came again and he ended up never responding when i asked to hang out. this time i decided to try yet another way to break the pattern which was to be completely honest. i told him that i get anxious when i feel like connection is inconsistent and that i need reassurance that he’s still interested. he said he is interested but that he was thrown off by me ending things and thought things would be better in person. i apologized and acknowledged that i was reactive, but also said that him bailing on plans was triggering and not responding when i had just reached out to make a plan for when i was back had the same effect. you can guess how the story ends, it’s been 2 days and he hasn’t responded.
my question is this – does anyone have advice for strategies to break this pattern? when i first met this guy i was so convinced that i had finally found myself attracted to someone emotionally available and was really proud of myself. he was attentive and solid and responsive. trying to filter people out seems impossible, and i also know that it’s not all on them. i’ve tried to follow my intuition and i’ve also tried to do counterintuitive things to see if it’s my intuition that’s tricking me, but all roads feel like they lead to the same outcome. i realize my behaviors in this instance were not perfect so maybe the answer is to just keep doing trial and error? i practice mindfulness and meditation, i try to sit in the discomfort and examine where this is all coming from (childhood, relationship with parents). i feel like i’ve made so much progress, but it’s demoralizing that the pattern continues to repeat in relationships. has anyone figured out a way to break their patterns?
September 17, 2024 at 8:17 am #438170anitaParticipantDear Taylor2992:
“I’m trying to figure out how to stop repeating that pattern. When dating, I usually end up feeling attracted to guys who later stop putting in effort. I tend to chase them and help them with their problems (without really feeling like my emotional needs are being met) for a varying amount of time until I get fed up and end the relationship“- reads like a repeat of a child-parent pattern where the unattended, neglected child chases the inattentive, otherwise engaged parent, trying to solve the parent’s problems, so that problems solved, the parent will finally be able and willing to attend to the child.
That was my pattern in regard to my mother. It was a tormenting experience, the one with my mother, and although I chased her for a positive kind of attention, I was also angry at her (for the negative attention I received) and wanted her out of my life. This childhood/ adolescent experience led to a pattern in adulthood where I quickly got fed up with people and ended (very short) relationships with people.
“I had been dating a guy for about 2 months. I remember exactly the moment when the energy between us changed. nothing specific happened but we had a great date where he cooked me dinner and afterwards told me how much he appreciates me and likes spending time with me… and then suddenly his communication became very flat and much more sparse… I asked him if everything was ok and he said he was stressed about work… I started to feel very anxious, thinking I did something wrong to drive him away“- reads like he lost interest because of stress at work or for some other reason. The thought that you did something wrong to drive him away is similar to how a child reacts to a parent’s distancing/ rejection: I must have done something wrong!
“However communication increased on both sides and we ended up talking on the phone for 2 hours and he then initiated sexting. I asked him if he’d want to meet up when I was back… he ended up never responding… this time I decided to try yet another way to break the pattern which was to be completely honest. I told him that I get anxious when I feel like connection is inconsistent and that I need reassurance that he’s still interested. He said he is interested but that he was thrown off by me ending things… it’s been 2 days and he hasn’t responded“- reads to me that although you were honest with him, he was not honest with you when he told you that he is still interested (unless he meant that he is interested in occasional sexting or such). There is a saying, the proof is in the pudding, which to me means that there is no need for his words to indicate his lack of interest. His behavior is evidence enough.
“I’ve tried to follow my intuition and I’ve also tried to do counterintuitive things to see if it’s my intuition that’s tricking me, but all roads feel like they lead to the same outcome. I realize my behaviors in this instance were not perfect so maybe the answer is to just keep doing trial and error? I practice mindfulness and meditation, I try to sit in the discomfort and examine where this is all coming from (childhood, relationship with parents). I feel like I’ve made so much progress, but it’s demoralizing that the pattern continues to repeat in relationships. has anyone figured out a way to break their patterns?“- my thoughts: (1) unresolved anxiety-producing issues from childhood interfere with intuition. Ongoing fear (anxiety) interferes with all good things, (2) when unresolved issues from childhood are significant enough.. indeed, in adulthood, all roads feel like they lead to the same outcome, or as I say, we keep re-living our childhood emotional experience in adult circumstances, (3) trial and error works only after we adequately resolve childhood issues,
(4) Congratulations for practicing mindfulness and meditation, for sitting with the discomfort, for examining the origin of your patterns (childhood, relationship with parents), and for making so much progress!
Personal note: I remember how disappointed I used to feel when I though that I understood enough, healed enough, only to find myself in bad situations and feeling badly about myself.. yet again. It took a LOT of patience and finally, empathy for myself, to keep moving forward regardless.. to keep moving toward a healthier and healthier state of mind and life.
anita
September 17, 2024 at 8:30 am #438172HelcatParticipantHi Taylor
It wasn’t great that he flaked on you and shut down. It sounds like you’re a bit overly invested in relationships at 2 months of dating. Does it feel that way to you? Or not?
If you’re overly invested you’re going to push away all of the people who don’t get overly invested. And you’re also going to attract people who are a bit unstable.
I would recommend taking a step back and lowering your expectations for people who you haven’t dated for long. These things are a marathon, not a sprint.
Therapy can be a good option for figuring out how to break unhealthy relationships patterns.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
September 17, 2024 at 8:39 am #438174Taylor2992ParticipantAnita – wow thank you so much for your thoughtful response, you are amazing!
I came to the same conclusion – all I can do is keep working at it and know that the work is never really finished.
But you make a good point about the childhood stuff – I do still feel very at a loss about the source. I really appreciate you sharing your personal experience and it sounds really difficult, I’m sorry to hear that you went through that. On the surface my relationship with my mom looks quite different but the more I think about it the more I wonder if there are underlying similarities. My mom is a very anxious person and I’d describe her as codependent (for lack of a better term, I don’t want to paint her in a negative way). She has described her relationship with my dad as him “saving” her. She sought approval from her abusive father despite him rejecting her over and over, literally until the day he died. Often I think this must be part of where my issues come from, but I can’t recall any specific emotional trauma directly in my relationship with either of my parents. I have had this pattern in romantic relationships since high school – my first boyfriend cheated on me after 3 years together, my second boyfriend was a verbally abusive situationship in college, and my third boyfriend was a 6 year relationship where we lived together and he blindsided me with a breakup after his parents’ divorce. These experiences were quite traumatic for me but I have read that usually these unhealthy patterns start with childhood, not with adult relationships. I guess maybe I’m still blocked in figuring this out and I don’t really know the steps to get there.
September 17, 2024 at 8:44 am #438175Taylor2992ParticipantHi Helcat,
That’s a good point! I think you are right about the impact of the relationship on my emotional state certainly feels much more weighty than it should for the length of the relationship. However I think the is the main point – how do I break this pattern?
In my behaviors I don’t believe I overly invested. We saw each other about once a week and talked maybe around once a day which felt like a reasonable pace. Sure I had sex with him but I don’t feel like it was a game changer in how I felt about him. Only after I sensed him distancing did I start thinking about the relationship a lot and craving more closeness. This is consistent with my pattern. The idea of “feeling” less invested in these kind of people is exactly the “problem” I’m trying to solve.
September 17, 2024 at 9:33 am #438178anitaParticipantDear Taylor:
You are very welcome and thank you for your empathy and for referring to me as amazing (feels good reading it).
“On the surface my relationship with my mom looks quite different but the more I think about it the more I wonder if there are underlying similarities. My mom is a very anxious person… She sought approval from her abusive father despite him rejecting her over and over, literally until the day he died. Often I think this must be part of where my issues come from, but I can’t recall any specific emotional trauma directly in my relationship with either of my parents“- my understanding: a very anxious mother is not an available mother, not in the way a child needs her to be. A child needs a calm, confident mother, because that’s what it takes to soothe a child wo is scared or in distress. A mother who is very anxious is distracted, unable to focus on and adequately attend to her child.
When the mother is very anxious, the child focuses on the mother, on what she needs, all empathy is with her, feeling her distress, and therefore, the child is deprived from a carefree childhood, not being free to explore and develop emotionally- socially.
It is her father who rejected her, but because your empathy for her, it’s if he rejected you.. sort of, rejected by proxy:
Her specific emotional trauma + your empathy for her => Her emotional trauma is your emotional trauma (not directly).
(I am using the boldface feature selectively in the following quote): “I have had this pattern in romantic relationships since high school – my first boyfriend cheated on me after 3 years together, my second boyfriend was a verbally abusive situationship in college, and my third boyfriend was a 6 year relationship where we lived together and he blindsided me with a breakup after his parents’ divorce. These experiences were quite traumatic for me but I have read that usually these unhealthy patterns start with childhood, not with adult relationships. I guess maybe I’m still blocked in figuring this out and I don’t really know the steps to get there.”-
– I boldfaced the above because it is correct, but not only when it comes to your unhealthy patterns, but also when it comes to the men’s unhealthy patterns. There is a lot of unhealthy going around, unhealthy on top of unhealthy, so it gets complicated when it comes to figuring out what happened in each one of the three relationships you mentioned.
As far as your unhealthy patterns, I think you described it well in your original post: “I tend to chase them and help them with their problems (without really feeling like my emotional needs are being met)“-
– focusing on your mother’s problems, on her anxiety, on her need to be calm (so that she can finally be calm for you, so that she can be there for you in the ways you need her to be)=> focusing on the men’s problems, on their needs (so that they can be there for you in the ways you need them to be).
It’s sort of like postponing your needs until you meet her/ the men’s needs first, so to make them capable of meeting your needs. Is this another way to describe the pattern?
anita
September 17, 2024 at 9:44 am #438183Taylor2992ParticipantAnita,
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I think you are right because when I read your words I feel really emotional in a way of feeling understood. I wish I could remember more from my childhood to validate this but I guess hard evidence isn’t really necessary to know what is true.</p>
To answer your question, yes I do think that accurately describes the pattern! I am always thinking about how I can make the men I date comfortable and happy enough to eventually support my needs. This is also I think why I used to stay in relationships too long, waiting. Now I’ve gotten better at recognizing what doesn’t serve me and moving past these relationships. In fact the one guy I felt this pattern with a few years ago, I ended things amicably after about 3 months and he is now one of my absolute dearest friends. Once the expectation of a romantic relationship is gone, I can appreciate people for the things they offer outside of emotional support. It’s scary to imagine never having a healthy romantic relationship but is also something I can probably find peace with, worst case 🙂Last question – when you recognized the source of your pattern, what work did you do to make peace with it?
THANK YOU <3
September 17, 2024 at 10:15 am #438189anitaParticipantDear Taylor:
I will soon be away from the computer, so I will reply further by Wed morning (it’s Tues morning here)
anita
September 17, 2024 at 10:43 am #438190RobertaParticipantHi Taylor
The chances of anyone having an idyllic childhood and no inter-generational trauma/abuse is probably not the norm.
Emotional intelligence has not been proactively taught in schools. So it is no wonder that it is hard to find a open emotionally balanced relationships in this modern pressurized world.
Look after & heal your traumas. Do things in life that bring you joy, be of service to others- the happier & more content we are the less we will need the “one” to make our lives complete. When we are around thoughtful & caring people the better the chance of encountering somebody to share the highs & lows with.
Kind regards
Roberta
September 17, 2024 at 11:10 am #438191HelcatParticipantHi Taylor
The basic principles of dating is that people are on their “best” behaviour when you meet them. Quite often you actually get to know the real person later on.
Dating is ultimately a long process of getting to know someone. You never truly know someone until you live with them and go through an immense amount of stress together.
There is a level of emotional guarding that a lot of people have that you simply don’t. This person was never great like you imagined he was.
Understanding that and working with a therapist to learn to manage your boundaries is how to resolve the issue.
You have an idealised version of your partner initially in your head. And you are surprised when their behaviour changes. Behaviour always changes. Expect it. Be cynical. Compare actions to words. Get to know the real people. Everyone has their own unique difficulties even the best people.
Learning to be less reactive to difficulties in relationships could be helpful to you. When you notice yourself being triggered by someone pulling back practice emotional regulation skills. Do something to comfort yourself. Speak to a caring friend. Don’t look for comfort from some guy you barely know who is distancing themselves from you.
Unfortunately, dating is hard.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
September 17, 2024 at 1:03 pm #438193Taylor2992ParticipantHey Helcat,
Thank you for the responses! I definitely agree with all of that. For this particular recent relationship though, are you suggesting that I should not have asked for clarity and just taken his hot and cold behavior as a sign he wasn’t interested and moved on (without a conversation)? Or maybe you’re suggesting I should have given him more open-ended time and space to see if he started showing interest in seeing me in person again?
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I am in therapy and boundaries is an area I’m working on a ton. One of those boundaries is not participating in relationships that don’t serve me. Determining what is “enough” information to know it’s the right time to cut it off is difficult for me, so I wanted to have an open conversation with him about what isn’t working for me as well as hear his perspective. In this, I get more data on whether this is a person I want to continue to get to know or not. Do you have suggestions for other ways to know? Maybe my behavior comes from a place of impatience, but in past relationships I have stuck around for many years feeling in limbo with inconsistent connection.</p>
Or perhaps…it doesn’t really matter what I decide on any given relationship – if I can’t heal myself a relationship won’t feel good regardless. Curious what you think!Anyways I’ve made up my mind for now on this particular relationship that I don’t want to invest more. He’s messaged me a few times since then looking for my attention on unrelated things, which to me speaks volumes – I’d like to think that in a healthy partnership, when I initiate a difficult conversation I won’t be blown off.
September 18, 2024 at 9:53 am #438207anitaParticipantDear Taylor:
I read all the posts in your thread, and now, I will re-read from the beginning and add my thoughts.
1st post: “When dating… I tend to chase them and help them with their problems“- you chase them to help them. So, they are sort of.. running or drifting away from you, or you perceive that they are.
“In the latest case, I had been dating a guy for about 2 months. I remember exactly the moment when the energy between us changed“- changed into a running away/ chasing energy..?
“We had a great date where he cooked me dinner and afterwards told me how much he appreciates me and likes spending time with me… and then suddenly his communication became very flat and much more sparse… (he) continued to become more distant. I asked him about camping and he said he had forgotten about other plans, and couldn’t go“- it seems to me that you overestimated how close he felt to you when he cooked dinner for you and told you what he told you. Maybe in your mind, you rushed that extent of closeness and felt that it was much more than it was. And then, after the.. greater (in your mind) than great date, when his words and actions ceased to appear as great, it felt as if he was distant, while in reality, it may have been that he felt a bit close during dinner, then less close, as in normal fluctuations of closeness.
“We agreed to see each other that Thursday… and he bailed last minute citing work stress. I asked him if I could help“- chase him to help him.
“I started to feel very anxious, thinking I did something wrong to drive him away… instead of… continuing to wait it out at the increasing cost of my own mental health (what I normally do), I decided to go to the opposite direction. I asked him to call me when he was ready, and when we talked I told him that it makes me feel like he’s not interested when he bails on plans“- thing is, he really is not interested when he bails on plans, it’s not open to interpretation. Seems like you thought that maybe he was interested in you but failed to express it by committing to get-together plans.
“he was cold and shut down, and I told him that I would rather be friends“- chasing a cold-and-shut-down person for friendship? Seems like leaving him alone would be a more of an appropriate response.
“I didn’t really mean to end things in that conversation… he was understandably closed off at first since I had ended things“- it seems like the great things you imagined (the extent of closeness that wasn’t there) weren’t there to maintain or to end.
“However communication increased on both sides and we ended up talking on the phone for 2 hours and he then initiated sexting… then of course, the same pattern came again and he ended up never responding when I asked to hang out“- seems like his behavior fits the normal fluctuations of a man who is interested in a woman a bit, but not much.
“This time, I decided to try yet another way to break the pattern which was to be completely honest. I told him that I get anxious when I feel like connection is inconsistent and that I need reassurance that he’s still interested… I apologized and acknowledged that I was reactive… it’s been 2 days and he hasn’t responded“- you talked to him as if there’s been a long-term relationship with him going on, years-long. What you told him was probably too much/ too heavy for him.
“He was attentive and solid and responsive“- at one time he was, during that great date, maybe at other times, and in your mind, you rushed this and saw it to mean much more than it meant.
2nd post: “My mom is a very anxious person and I’d describe her as codependent (for lack of a better term, I don’t want to paint her in a negative way). She has described her relationship with my dad as him ‘saving’ her. She sought approval from her abusive father despite him rejecting her over and over, literally until the day he died“- she chased her father to save her, but he didn’t. Her husband “saved” her, but she needed more saving, and kept chasing her father to save her. Her little girl thinks something like (maybe): I will save you, Mom, I will!
But mom doesn’t see her daughter as savior, even though daughter cares more than anyone. So, daughter chases mother: I will help you! I will save you! Please let me!
And every time daughter experiences some success, something she said or did made mom feel good, mom looks at daughter with loving, grateful eyes.. daughter imagines she has helped her mother a lot (much more than just a bit, temporarily).
Love-starved, closeness-starved daughter waited alone and lonely for so long, that a bit of closeness feels heavenly, and she thinks something like: from now on, everything will be wonderful! But closeness evaporates sooner than later (because mother was not helped for long), and daughter is devastated. Again.
3rd post: “Only after I sensed him distancing did I start thinking about the relationship a lot and craving more closeness. This is consistent with my pattern“- a pattern of chasing mother for closeness.
4th post: “Yes I do think that accurately describes the pattern! I am always thinking about how I can make the men I date comfortable and happy enough to eventually support my needs. This is also I think why I used to stay in relationships too long, waiting“- Waiting.
“The one guy I felt this pattern with a few years ago, I ended things amicably after about 3 months and he is now one of my absolute dearest friends. Once the expectation of a romantic relationship is gone, I can appreciate people for the things they offer“- once the chasing and waiting are gone..
“when you recognized the source of your pattern, what work did you do to make peace with it?“- I will answer this in regard to parts of the patterns that I believe I shared with you: I was surprised to hear my therapist back in 2011 telling me something like: you are chasing your mother! I was surprised because I’ve been so angry at her for so long, that I don’t remember wanting closeness with her. All that I remembered was wanting to get away from her. I had no idea that I was Chasing and Waiting for her to.. finally reciprocate my love for her.
And I imagined that she loved me so much that she couldn’t live without me, that I was so important to her. I wasn’t able to see reality for the longest time. I wasn’t able to see that I was not important to her, not as a person. This is why she looked up to others for some kind of help, never to me. Others were important to her. Not me.
I have no contact with her since sometime in 2013 (last time I talked to her on the phone). It took me years after the no-contact to stop chasing and waiting for her. So deep is a girl’s love and need for her mother. It starts so early, when the brain is developing.. before we have words.. so early that we forget.
I finally stopped chasing and waiting for what was never there for me. I don’t chase and wait for anyone- romantically or otherwise- to.. redo my mother, so to speak.
5th post: “I am in therapy and boundaries is an area I’m working on a ton. One of those boundaries is not participating in relationships that don’t serve me… in past relationships I have stuck around for many years feeling in limbo with inconsistent connection. Or perhaps.. it doesn’t really matter what I decide on any given relationship – if I can’t heal myself a relationship won’t feel good regardless“- regarding the inconsistent connections, like I suggested earlier, it may be that in your mind (because of chasing and waiting for too long), you exaggerate the closeness, and then the distancing (part of normal closeness- distancing fluctuations) feel too intensely, intolerable.
I would look in therapy into your past and current relationship with your mother, and the one with your father, if I was you. That’s were patterns are born.
anita
September 18, 2024 at 3:16 pm #438216HelcatParticipantHi Taylor
In my experience it takes at least 6 months for men to start to develop an emotional connection with a partner.
Men don’t think of dating in the same way women do. Quite often men will only be interested in sex. But they have to go along with the motions of dating because it is what women respond to.
If you think of it from the way men do. They look to date many women, primarily with the purpose to have sex with many women. What is the point in investing in a relationship unless you really like the person? They just go about their business however they want to, perhaps putting in extra effort if they are trying to get laid.
In your mind you’re looking for a relationship. While the man is still just looking for sex.
I think that considering your previous circumstances, you did really well by breaking things off early. That’s huge progress for someone who is used to putting up with bad behaviour in dating and suffers for too long feeling neglected. Congratulations on breaking that pattern!
You are worried about your the relationship patterns and stuff, clearly your goal is to find a healthy, loving relationship. Upon reading your latest post, I am not worried for you. It sounds like you’re doing some really great work with your therapist. These things take time, you are learning to listen to and make sense of your own instincts and getting to grips with the delicate balance that is making a calm confident decision and one that is an emotional reaction. You’re doing a fantastic job, so relax. 😊
I think that in this situation you did the right thing for you at this time. This ultimately isn’t a love story, but a story of growth and setting boundaries.
An approach that I often take in any kind of relationship (even non-romantic) is matching the other person’s level of interest and effort.
What really helped me in dating was writing down a list of things that I did and didn’t want in a partner. Each relationship I was in taught me about something that I did or didn’t want to experience in the future.
I really like intelligent, communicative partners. It took me a while to realize that it was important for them to be kind too.
I am learning that men can be uncomfortable with direct conversations like that. They can feel like you are blaming them for the way you feel. I think that women are more used to communicating openly and not taking it personally.
It is difficult, learning to manage these things. I read in a book about secure attachment in couples recently that it is important to change from a solitary focus to a couple focus when sharing feelings. It is not just about communicating our feelings, it is also about considering theirs at the same time.
For example:
My husband left the operating theatre for a couple minutes before the c-section began to answer the phone when his mother called. I was scared about the surgery and him leaving briefly was upsetting for me. But he was also in a different country from his family. He hates hospitals because he watched his father slowly waste away in one. He was nervous about having a child. Even hearing her voice for a short time was probably a great comfort to him.
Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏
September 18, 2024 at 5:27 pm #438217Taylor2992ParticipantHi Anita,
I can see that all clearly now, this was really helpful! I know that I am very sensitive to the prospect of rejection – I guess that’s how anxiety works, you just want the answer. I get impatient to know if someone is going to work for me or not, but it’s obviously not that black and white.
I do struggle with what the “appropriate” response is as you say. I feel like I can’t trust myself to know what behaviors will lead me to a healthier place, or will be digestible by the person on the receiving end. It could be that you’re right in this case I should have just ignored him – problem was he was still contacting me, and I don’t feel comfortable ghosting people but it also felt fake to just chat with him like nothing was wrong. I guess this comes back to boundary-setting – do you suggest just asking people to stop contacting you when you start seeing evidence that are “a little bit interested, but not that much”?
This brings things back to the original title of my post which is how to know if it’s my own insecurity with normal fluctuations in interest, and it scares me that I’m pushing away good people who really are interested. But based on your insight, it probably doesn’t matter since healing myself is the first priority, and I can always reconnect with people if I decide later I made the wrong decision.
Your insight about my relationship with my mom is super eye opening and makes more and more sense the more I talk through this.
Helcat,
Thank you so much for your advice to just match the other person’s level of interest and effort, that feels like a really simple thing to try. I am also going to try writing the list of what I like and don’t like based on past relationships. And you make a lot of good points about how different men and women often show up in relationships and their comfort level with certain things.
Thank you both so so much, this was beyond insightful and helpful for me. ❤️
September 18, 2024 at 5:59 pm #438219anitaParticipantDear Taylor: You are very welcome. I will reply further Thurs morning (it’s Wed evening here).
anita
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