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May 7, 2024 at 6:49 am #432438PeterParticipant
Hi Brian
Helcat makes some good points. I try not to hold to tightly to words. I was surprised that your experience of it was assoicated with supernatural beings as that hasn’t been my experience. I would also drop the word if its assoicated with supernatural beings.
May 7, 2024 at 9:40 am #432446anitaParticipantDear Brian:
I re-read this morning every word you shared in your various threads since your very first post on Jan 9, 2022, almost 2 years and 4 months ago. I learned that (I am boldfacing your words):
It is very, very important to you, in the context of social interactions, to be genuine, not fake, not a fraud, not robotic and dishonest. You prefer to not interact with people at all than to interact with people who are fake, robotic and dishonest about how they really feel, and you don’t want to reciprocate such fakeness.
You feel/ have felt disconnected from the society where you live because people are praised for their so-called positive interactions, which, being fake, are not really positive: “I really would rather someone not talk to me at all than say a few meaningless phrases out of obligation… saying ‘It was great talking to you’, when you didn’t enjoy the conversation is what I’m referring to“.
“Trying to fit into the social structures of a society has been a challenge for me… A long time ago, I decided to live by my own rules… If I don’t think you’re funny, I wont laugh. If I didn’t enjoy the conversation, I might wish them a good day, but I wont say that it was great talking to them“. You will not answer certain questions that people ask you, and the questions you answer, you will not answer in the ways you believe people expect you to answer.
“My intention is to simply seek input and possible solutions… I don’t mind new perspectives… How do you give a good impression without appearing disingenuous?… I wish supernatural beings would communicate with me. That would be cool. I just don’t think it has happened… Spiritual beings are welcome to communicate with me. I don’t think they have yet.“-
– “Being spiritual means seeking a meaningful connection with something bigger than yourself, which can result in positive emotions and wiser action” (an online definition). I will add to this definition, “which can result in genuine positive emotions”.
It’s almost like you gave up on having genuine connections with people, so you hope to connect with supernatural beings, or spiritual beings instead.
You are welcome to continue to be genuine here, in your thread, and I wish you to be genuine in-real-life, every day. Strange how I forgot, that for a long time, I was very troubled by the same thing, fakeness vs genuineness. When I caught myself smiling not because I felt like smiling, I stopped the smile. I hated being fake-nice to people, and I made sure that my face showed anger when I felt angry. Coming to think about it, as I am typing to you.. growing up (growing in is more accurate), I wasn’t allowed my own emotions, I was severely judged for my emotions, as in being a bad person for .. genuinely feeling this way, or that way. So, I turned my genuine emotions inward, pushing them down.
My mother was super nice to people most of the time, super-ingenuously nice, that is, when in their company, flattering them, complimenting them, feeding them with the most expensive foods… and then she’d complain about them behind their backs, saying that they take advantage of her and hurt her feelings. When I suggested to her to stop being so nice to them, she said she couldn’t. When I offered to be not-nice to them myself, to speak up for her, she ragefully threatened to kill me.
And so, I was made to be quiet during hours and hours (through the years) of watching her sort of go belly up with fake, exaggerated niceness to people who, she claimed, were bad people. It was a torture for me. I remember how difficult, how uncomfortable it was to hold all my anger inside, without expressing it. I was angry at the people who she claimed were taking advantage of her, and I was angry at my mother for being so nice to them and never allowing me to do what was right and just: to make the supposed bad people go away, instead of being so nice to them.
Thank you, Brian, for making it possible for me to understand what I shared right above better than I ever did.
“How do you give a good impression without appearing disingenuous?“- maybe a lot of people are stuck (like my mother was, like I was.. and sometimes, still am) in ingenuity, and not liking it at all. If you model being genuine- in a friendly way though- it will encourage some other people to be genuine too.
anita
May 8, 2024 at 8:48 am #432484PeterParticipantI like to start my day with a reading from Richard Wagamese – someone who having gone though much in his life came out the other side with wisdom.
I read the following and felt it related to the question of the Divine and spiritual. What for me, lies behind a word like spiritual, path and divine is the word mystery and the art of sitting in mystery with wonder
“We need mystery. Creator in her wisdom knew this. Mystery fills us with awe and wonder. They are the foundations of humility, and humility is the foundation of all learning. So we do not seek to unravel this. We honor it by letting it be that way forever. – grandmother explaining The Great Mystery of the universe to her grandson.”
― Richard Wagamese, Indian HorseI feel mystery is more important then the notions of meaning and purpose and suspect it is from mystery and the ability to be uncomfortable in uncertainty, that purpose and meaning arise from and returns to
May 8, 2024 at 10:28 am #432495BrianParticipant[quote quote=432484]I like to start my day with a reading from Richard Wagamese – someone who having gone though much in his life came out the other side with wisdom. I read the following and felt it related to the question of the Divine and spiritual. What for me, lies behind a word like spiritual, path and divine is the word mystery and the art of sitting in mystery with wonder
“We need mystery. Creator in her wisdom knew this. Mystery fills us with awe and wonder. They are the foundations of humility, and humility is the foundation of all learning. So we do not seek to unravel this. We honor it by letting it be that way forever. – grandmother explaining The Great Mystery of the universe to her grandson.” ― Richard Wagamese, Indian Horse
I feel mystery is more important then the notions of meaning and purpose and suspect it is from mystery and the ability to be uncomfortable in uncertainty, that purpose and meaning arise from and returns to[/quote]
I agree it’s beneficial to have a sense of mystery. That’s why I’m always asking questions and reading books about subjects I am curious about.
May 8, 2024 at 10:43 am #432496BrianParticipantHello again Anita. It’s nice that you take the time to look over previous posts to get possible solutions. I don’t believe I have given up connecting with people. I still have a couple friends that I meet with regularly. Sometimes I try to remind myself to focus on the intent of what people say rather than specific words. Most people aren’t trying to be disingenuous and use certain phrases out of habit.
May 8, 2024 at 11:03 am #432499anitaParticipantDear Brian:
Thank you for expressing some appreciation for me, I appreciate it!
Focusing on the intent behind people’s words is a excellent idea that I should practice more myself. Indeed people say and do things out of habit. We are habitual creatures by nature.
Coming to think about it, connecting this to the title of your thread, it is divine, perhaps, to break bad, useless habits and replace them with personally-chosen good, useful habits.
anita
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