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  • #427291
    Rebecca
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    Basically, I’ve been caught up in a situation where I’ve been repeatedly assaulted.    It got very serious and I was permanently injured.     I do not know why I was targeted, except that it was connected with some people I knew.   If it was concerning something I did, I think it was a very long time ago .I.e. childhood.

    Anyway, I want to clear any bad karma I have.    Can I do this by donating to charity?  (Since it is not practical or safe for me to contact people concerned).  Also, what are my obligations concerning forgiveness to those who have sought to harm me?

    #427308
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Rebecca:

    I am so sorry that you were assaulted, that you were assaulted repeatedly, and that it resulted in permanent injury.

    I want to clear any bad karma I have.  Can I do this by donating to charity?  (Since it is not practical or safe for me to contact people concerned)“- I am not a karma expert, but I think that donating to charity is fine, if you keep enough of your resources to take good care of yourself.

    Also, what are my obligations concerning forgiveness to those who have sought to harm me?“- again, I am not a karma expert, but my thought is that you are not obligated to forgive someone who repeatedly assaulted you and caused you permanent injury.

    I hope other members who are educated in regard to karma will reply to you. Please feel free to post again anytime and express yourself. I would like to read more from you, and reply further.

    anita

    #427316
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for the reply you wrote to my post and the clarity it’s brought – I really appreciate it.

    Rebecca
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    #427318
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Are you by any chance able to recommend a link or resource to study karma further?  Thank you for any advice you might be able to give.

    Rebecca

    #427319
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Rebecca:

    You are very welcome. As far as a link or a resource to study Karma, I don’t have one in mind, but I would like to get back to you on the topic tomorrow morning (in about 15 hours from now).

    anita

    #427321
    Tommy
    Participant

    Since we do not know the specifics of why these people want to assault you, we can not give advice to action to prevent more assaults. You should consider removing yourself from those situations somehow. May be even think about calling police. Get order of protection.

    Karma is a big subject filled with many opinions. Many books are written about it. Who is right? IDK. My opinion (please do not hate on me for my opinion) is that what you sow is what you reap. Plant an apple tree then an apple tree will grow. It can not become an orange tree. Read somewhere if you live by the sword then you will die by the sword. Now, others think karma is an outside force that creates justice. Like, hurt someone intentionally and the universe will hurt you back. For me, there is no agency to dispense justice. Justice is a human idea. For me, karma is wrapping your essence around others. If you are kind then kindness returns to you. If you are cruel then cruelty will be returned to you. What you sow is what you reap.

    Donating money does not remove karma. Clearing karma (true karma, in my opinion) requires one to remove doubts and live the life of compassion and wisdom. Living in this way will bring you mental peace. Compassion is not just empathy. And wisdom is not just knowing stuff.

    Your obligation of forgiveness? Your obligation is to try to let the hate or any emotions associated with these assaults … let them go. Sometimes it requires us to forgive so we can move forward and away from these ties. This is not an easy task.

    I hope you take appropriate action to protect yourself from harm. And that you can find a happier future.

    #427323
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Dear Tommy,

    Thank you for your reply to my posts.

    You mentioned “you sow is what you reap. Plant an apple tree then an apple tree will grow. It can not become an orange tree.”

    This idea is also in the New Testament.  But to me it seems clear that because we generally live in social groups, others may sow into a person’s life.    This seems unfair and for me is where the analogy breaks down.
    <p style=”text-align: left;”>However, I am very interested in what  you’ve shared about processing emotions and letting go of negative emotions.</p>
    Please can you explain more about what you mean by removing ‘doubts’?  Thank you for any help you are able to give.

    Rebecca

    #427324
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Sorry, my reply seems to have some HTML there.

    #427325
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear Rebecca

    I am sorry that you have been physically assaulted.

    Trying to look at Karma that fits in with theist single life is very limited ( why does bad things happen to good people). Buddhism on the other hand has the idea that we are reborn again & again in many various bodies ie cats dogs insects as well as humans. Also all beings have been our mother at some point is another stand point along with the loved one, stranger & enemy aspect to relationships and how they interchange  & not only in this lifetime. On top of this we have in the past we have been  & done both skillful & unskillful things. Ok so fast forward to the here & now it is how we respond to any situation is how we sow our future Karma.

    Wishing you all the best

    Roberta

    #427328
    Tommy
    Participant

    Yes, living in social groups, gives opportunity for others to have intentions or good or harm. But, their intentions are not your intentions. It is not you sowing nor reaping. It is theirs. When a person causes you injury, your anger and thirst for revenge becomes peaked. They sow harm and harm returns to them. That is living this life. Buddha said that life is dukkah (suffering). Some say that the life we live in now is because of our previous Karma. Whether it is or not, I do not know.

    Doubt, compassion and wisdom are all about walking the eightfold path outlined by the Buddha. Although they do not use words like doubt. I use doubt as not believing, not putting the proper effort in, not having faith, not able to see the truth. Compassion and wisdom, being able to see the truth of a situation and being willing to help as one can.

    Thinking of one’s life as a freshly fallen snow. Then someone walks thru our life and leaves a trail. We want our life to be back to that first fresh snow fall. But, we can not. The more we push snow into the foot prints then more we mess up the fresh snow. If we try to avoid looking at it then we hide the truth from ourselves. But, if we accept the foot prints and allow it to be then the next snow fall will brighten up the snow again. Moving past it we will see fresh snow again. If we hold onto the hurt caused by others then the more we hurt ourselves. So finding forgiveness provides a release from holding onto this hurt. It does not mean to forget. It does not mean to be as before. It means it will not have a hold on you. I do not have access to give you which will free you from this hurt and pain. No one can just give one instructions to free oneself from hurt. Only you can. I wish you well.

    Note: Yes, the analogy falls apart. Just like in life, when we go down to smaller and smaller details, the laws that govern our world do not quite apply.

    #427337
    Rebecca
    Participant

    [quote quote=427328]Yes, living in social groups, gives opportunity for others to have intentions or good or harm. But, their intentions are not your intentions. It is not you sowing nor reaping. It is theirs. When a person causes you injury, your anger and thirst for revenge becomes peaked. They sow harm and harm returns to them. That is living this life. Buddha said that life is dukkah (suffering). Some say that the life we live in now is because of our previous Karma. Whether it is or not, I do not know. Doubt, compassion and wisdom are all about walking the eightfold path outlined by the Buddha. Although they do not use words like doubt. I use doubt as not believing, not putting the proper effort in, not having faith, not able to see the truth. Compassion and wisdom, being able to see the truth of a situation and being willing to help as one can. Thinking of one’s life as a freshly fallen snow. Then someone walks thru our life and leaves a trail. We want our life to be back to that first fresh snow fall. But, we can not. The more we push snow into the foot prints then more we mess up the fresh snow. If we try to avoid looking at it then we hide the truth from ourselves. But, if we accept the foot prints and allow it to be then the next snow fall will brighten up the snow again. Moving past it we will see fresh snow again. If we hold onto the hurt caused by others then the more we hurt ourselves. So finding forgiveness provides a release from holding onto this hurt. It does not mean to forget. It does not mean to be as before. It means it will not have a hold on you. I do not have access to give you which will free you from this hurt and pain. No one can just give one instructions to free oneself from hurt. Only you can. I wish you well. Note: Yes, the analogy falls apart. Just like in life, when we go down to smaller and smaller details, the laws that govern our world do not quite apply.[/quote]

     

    Dear Roberta,

    Thank you for your reply to my post, and for kindly explaining more about karma – I appreciate it.

    Best wishes

    Rebecca

     

    #427338
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Oops!!!!   I’m not doing too well here, sorry Roberta and Tommy – that was Tommy’s post above!

    #427339
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Dear Tommy,

     

    Thank you for writing about karma, however, I am not understanding some things.    When you say harm returns to others do you mean harm returns from me?  Also, how is one meant to manage one’s emotions then?

    Sorry if these seem silly questions.    Is there a book or video you can recommend?

    With thanks and best wishes,

    Rebecca

    #427340
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Rebecca:

    In my reply here I will refer to karma as the idea, or principle of Cause and Effect, meaning that what we say and do affects (has an effect on) other people, and what they say and do affects (has an effect on) us. It’s a simple idea, something that supposedly everyone knows, right? But not so. For example, my mother used to say terribly hurtful things to me. When I complained about it somehow (as a teenager), she told me that her hurtful words should have no effect on me, that there was something wrong with me for taking offense. She didn’t see herself (or if she did, she didn’t present herself to me) as the Cause of my hurt feelings, and therefore, she continued to verbally offend me.

    When we are aware of the principle of Cause and Effect, and we care to not offend others, then we are motivated to be selective as to our words and actions, so to not offend or harm others.

    The way I see it,  we live in a world where all humans (who are old enough) are harming others, and unnecessarily so. Some more than others, some less frequently.. in different ways,  but we are all stuck in a world where we harm and are harmed. To put it in a different way: there is and has been for centuries so much harm in the world, that no one is free from harm: not as the receiver of harm, and not as the giver of harm.

    This is not to say that harming others is okay, no, not at all. What I am saying is that if you expect yourself to never harm anyone, you are setting an unrealistic expectation for yourself, and in so doing, you’d be stuck in shame and guilt forevermore. And if you expect this from others, you are setting an unrealistic expectations for them, and you will be stuck in distrust of all.

    The solution, if such was possible, would be for every individual to be aware of the principle of Cause and Effect and care to do-no-harm. To have it as a value and a goal to not harm others, while not expecting perfection in this regard. We need to tolerate and endure the fact that sometimes we will hurt other people’s feelings.. by mistake, because we didn’t think through something we said before saying it.

    You suggested in your original post, as I understand it,  that you were assaulted because maybe you did something wrong: “If it was concerning something I did, I think it was a very long time ago .I.e. childhood“- do you feel guilty for something that you have done as a child, a wrongdoing of some kind, something that is difficult for you to forgive yourself for?

    anita

    #427342
    Rebecca
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

    To be honest my childhood was a mess.   My parents were young, too young really to support a growing child.     I remember a lot of guilt and holding emotions in.   I suppose I internalised a lot of unhelpful ‘messages ‘ and would like to be free from them, but time is running out as I’m at retirement age.

    I don’t have the resources to pay for therapy.

    As for forgiving myself, it’s all blurring into one now.

    Thanks again,

    Rebecca

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