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    anita
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    Dear Peter and Everyone:

    Peter, you wrote: “Over time I suspected that duality and non-duality (subject, object, particle wave) aren’t opposites to choose between, but partners in a quiet dance. Not two sides of a coin, but the coin itself.”-

    Connecting this to the topic of suppressing vs expressing emotions, rather than viewing suppression as the enemy and expression as the solution, we might see them as working together—suppression allowing time to stabilize, while expression gradually leads to release and understanding.

    Do you agree, Peter? Or is asking if you agree or disagree a duality to avoid?

    Anita

    #446749
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    To the topic of suppressing vs expressing emotions. I would agree

    The thought or image was as “partners in a quiet dance”, holding the tension of paradox as connection.

    Expanding the metaphor, dancing with a partner requires tension as the means to create connection, to feel where the partner is. A connection we hope neither to light nor two heavy.

    In dance, that subtle resistance isn’t conflict; it’s intimacy and communication. Feeling where the other is without overpowering or collapsing, just enough to know. Emotionally, that same kind of attuned tension allows us to meet our inner experience with respect. Not rushing to express nor forcing it down. But holding it, sensing it, moving with it.

    Understanding, I trust, will arise but not as a driving force, not as the intention… the intention being to dance.

    Like breath, we exhale and inhale. There are moments when a feeling held back is a kindness, to ourselves or others. And moments when releasing becomes a form of truth-telling, connection, and transformation. Neither is wrong. Neither is the whole. Together, they move us toward being.

    A change in perspective where suppression vs expression becomes suppression and expression. Not poles in opposition but steps in rhythm. In that middle space, the breath between action and stillness, we cultivate a presence that doesn’t demand resolution, it listens, resonates. This was the experience of stillness while dancing.

    In the second half of life, I wish to lean into that, a move from the head to the heart. A move from a seemingly insatiable need to understand and cry out why, to a quite yes.

    Anyone following my posts might notice how difficult letting go of understanding has been, being a defining attribute of “my type”. The mind is so good at trying to protect us by explaining everything. But the heart of the fourth chakra isn’t to explain, it’s to witness and be open. Not the end of inquiry, but a softening.

    Writing that I wonder if its not all wishful thinking, the ego disguising itself still wanting to understand… but maybe…

    Grant me the grace to hear the Voice beyond voices, the one that never shames or frightens, but invites, strengthens, and clarifies. Strip me gently of illusion and hostility until even my fear forgets its name.” – Anonymous

    What would such a dance look like to you?

    #446751
    anita
    Participant

    I am looking forward to reading and replying to you, Peter, tonight or tomorrow morning 😊

    #446758
    anita
    Participant

    “What would such a dance look like to you?”-

    The suppressing part and the expressing part move together in harmony—one moment, the waves recede (suppression), creating space for stillness and reflection. Another moment, the waves rise and crash (expression), bringing release and transformation. Both are necessary; neither is wrong.

    I used to think in black-and-white terms—all-or-nothing, THIS or THAT. While there are situations when that kind of thinking is functional, most situations are complex, and rigid duality distorts reality, and acting on it often leads to harm.

    It’s only recently that I’ve begun to see shades of gray, nuance, and color—a shift. And you, Peter, have been part of that shift in me.

    Anita

    #446759
    anita
    Participant

    Guess who is LOUDER than loud this Wed night? The birds, vocal, loud, alive!

    And so am I. ALIVE.

    The Energy-in-Motion Moving through me.

    It’s moving through the birds outside, same E-motion.

    I had a real-life conversation a moment ago, and ANGER exploded within me. I expressed it, honoring it, and yet, not in any disrespectful, abusive way.

    And then I suppressed it, because too much expression would be.. too much.

    It takes skill to know when and how much to express. I am getting good at it. I am learning.

    9pm, no sign of darkness.

    I heard it’d be clouded tomorrow. I wonder if it means there’ll be fewer insects to bite me- too many bites on my arms and legs.

    9:30 pm. Less light, still light, birds still singing, chirping. Soon they will be quiet and I will miss them until they return very early Thursday morning.

    9:40 pm, getting darker, can’t hear birds over YouTube music.

    Music in Hebrew.

    You know the word for “love” in Hebrew? It’s “Ahava”.

    So little of it, too little in Hebrew and in English.

    Who might be reading this in the whole-wide-world? Maybe Alessa, maybe Peter.. maybe Tommy.

    And no one else.

    Still, it being a public forum, the only one I participate in, I keep hoping someone else may be reading, listening. Hoping that someone will listen. The desire to be heard!

    Almost completely dark now. I will miss the birds. They are quiet now, ten minutes to 10 pm.

    Still light from behind the trees.

    Who is it that I want to hear me, to answer me.. who is this someone unknown..?

    My mother, my old-old- dying mother?

    That old, old, old dream?

    That woman holding a baby (me)-

    That ship has sailed.

    Yet the longing of a baby..

    A baby, can’t blame the baby for longing-

    Longing.

    Not even remembering what the longing was about, at that time of babyhood.

    That longing, what was it? What is it still?

    In its raw nature, what is it?

    It’s a longing to..

    To..

    A longing of a baby to..

    Can’t find the word, or words..

    There is no word for a baby.

    Yet, how can I express it (finally, completely dark here, 10 pm).

    The longing, what is its preverbal language, what does it say???

    It says: Don’t leave me! I will do anything, I will do everything.. Don’t Leave Me.

    Don’t leave me all alone. Oh, please, please.. I’ll do anything, I’ll be anything.

    The Deathly Fear of being Left Alone

    That’s what in the core of it.

    There is no intellectual, rational resolution of this fear- this deep, existential fear, of a young-one being left alone, abandoned, left to die.

    Alone. ALONE.

    An existential SCREAM: A L O N E

    N.O.! Will do anything, be anything. Just don’t leave me.

    Past 10 pm, quiet and dark.

    Anita

    #446760
    anita
    Participant

    Guess who is LOUDER than loud this Wed night? The birds, vocal, loud, alive!

    And so am I. ALIVE.

    The Energy-in-Motion Moving through me.

    It’s moving through the birds outside, same E-motion.

    I had a real-life conversation a moment ago, and ANGER exploded within me. I expressed it, honoring it, and yet, not in any disrespectful, abusive way.

    And then I suppressed it, because too much expression would be.. too much.

    It takes skill to know when and how much to express. I am getting good at it. I am learning.

    9pm, no sign of darkness.

    I heard it’d be clouded tomorrow. I wonder if it means there’ll be fewer insects to bite me- too many bites on my arms and legs.

    9:30 pm. Less light, still light, birds still singing, chirping. Soon they will be quiet and I will miss them until they return very early Thursday morning.

    9:40 pm, getting darker, can’t hear birds over YouTube music.

    Music in Hebrew.

    You know the word for “love” in Hebrew? It’s “Ahava”.

    So little of it, too little in Hebrew and in English.

    Who might be reading this in the whole-wide-world? Maybe Alessa, maybe Peter.. maybe Tommy.

    And no one else.

    Still, it being a public forum, the only one I participate in, I keep hoping someone else may be reading, listening. Hoping that someone will listen. The desire to be heard!

    Almost completely dark now. I will miss the birds. They are quiet now, ten minutes to 10 pm.

    Still light from behind the trees.

    Who is it that I want to hear me, to answer me.. who is this someone unknown..?

    My mother, my old-old- dying mother?

    That old, old, old dream?

    That woman holding a baby (me)-

    That ship has sailed.

    Yet the longing of a baby..

    A baby, can’t blame the baby for longing-

    Longing.

    Not even remembering what the longing was about, at that time of babyhood.

    That longing, what was it? What is it still?

    In its raw nature, what is it?

    It’s a longing to..

    To..

    A longing of a baby to..

    Can’t find the word, or words..

    There is no word for a baby.

    Yet, how can I express it (finally, completely dark here, 10 pm).

    The longing, what is its preverbal language, what does it say???

    It says: Don’t leave me! I will do anything, I will do everything.. Don’t Leave Me.

    Don’t leave me all alone. Oh, please, please.. I’ll do anything, I’ll be anything.

    The Deathly Fear of being Left Alone

    That’s what in the core of it.

    There is no intellectual, rational resolution of this fear- this deep, existential fear, of a young-one being left alone, abandoned, left to die.

    Alone. ALONE.

    An existential SCREAM: A L O N E

    N.O.! Will do anything, be anything. Just don’t leave me.

    Past 10 pm, quiet and dark.

    Anita

    Finally, COMPLETELY DARK at 10:35 pm, Wed night, what a relief. Now I can join the birds in complete SILENCE. No birds sounds.. till the morrow.

    #446761
    anita
    Participant

    Excuse the mix there, some red wine involved in the above.. time to go to bed, lol

    #446762
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    I agree, everything makes up the whole. It is all a natural part of life. The very nature of impermanence.

    For me, there are so many feelings that can arise at the same time. I don’t just focus on one anymore when communicating, I try to look at the whole picture. How can I express all of them? How can I communicate my needs with compassion whilst meeting others needs? It is all a delicate balance.

    Yes, suppression and avoidance are human nature. What we went through were normal reactions to severe trauma. The balance is just different from people who haven’t been through these things and it takes time to retrain it in a more balanced way. Avoidance and suppression used temporarily and in the right way are perfectly normal coping mechanisms. No one wants to lose their job when their temper flares and it is perfectly ok to take a break from things when needed.

    I notice my anxiety is gathered around thoughts that contain underlying negative beliefs. What helps me at the moment acknowledging and addressing those beliefs with the appropriate affirmations. It is one of those things that only helps at the right time. Back in the day it would only have made me miserable because I wouldn’t have had my heart in it.

    To be continued

    #446773
    anita
    Participant

    * There seems to be a confusion, red wine being involved in the above mix… oopsie. Don’t know how it came about, but who is paying attention, anyone, lol. Be back sober.

    Anita

    #446774
    anita
    Participant

    For crying out loud, I have no idea how the above happened (a resubmission of my last post of last night). For the record I am back to he computer sober this Thursday morning! (And the birds are back too)

    #446776
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa and Everyone:

    I appreciate what you said about suppression and avoidance being natural reactions to trauma. These aren’t failures or weaknesses—they’re survival instincts, ways the mind protects itself when emotions become overwhelming.

    Temporarily suppressing or avoiding distress can help someone function, stay safe, or regain control. But when these coping mechanisms turn into permanent habits, they can block emotional healing, preventing growth, connection, and deeper understanding.

    In moderation, suppression and avoidance can help regulate emotions in difficult moments. But too much suppression can lead to emotional numbness, while too much avoidance can keep people from facing important truths. For example, if someone constantly avoids difficult conversations, they may never address deep issues, leaving misunderstandings unresolved. Or if someone constantly avoids self-reflection, they may never recognize destructive patterns in their behavior or making meaningful changes.

    I’m glad affirmations are helping you navigate underlying negative beliefs, and I look forward to hearing more when you continue. 💛

    Anita

    #446777
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita
    Sounds like you had a night 🙂

    “I used to think in black-and-white terms—all-or-nothing”

    Sadly, the digital age, especially with algorithm-driven platforms reinforces and amplifies our tendency to either-or, all or nothing, binary thinking.

    Regarding the second half of life transition, the digital culture does make it harder to slow down and listen inwardly. On the other hand, it can be a great resource to explore the wisdom traditions and such.

    I wonder what role AI will play? Will we use it to amplify the noise and distraction and quick fix. Or could it become a companion for reflection, ask better questions, and access deeper knowledge. LOL – I implied a ‘either or’ when the its going to be both.

    Skillful discernment something the we will all need to develop… I hope society will be up to the task.

    I was recently asked what I thought was the best advice the bible had to offer and the first thought that came to mind – “But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.”

    In a culture of instant reactions the advice to step back to ponder, observe, absorb, and reflect. Her response to the miraculous a profound inward stillness, fully present to the moment. Such pondering isn’t passive; it’s thoughtful engagement. She’s not simply feeling her faith, she’s examining it, cherishing it, and contemplating its meaning, a invitation to blend heart and mind.

    #446779
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    🙂 Indeed!

    You said, “Sadly, the digital age, especially with algorithm-driven platforms, reinforces and amplifies our tendency to either-or, all-or-nothing, binary thinking.”

    Binary thinking existed long before personal computers. The habit of “Like” or “Dislike,” approve or reject, this or that—was part of human interaction long before it became a click of the keyboard. Personally, I don’t see more of it now than before, probably because the only digital platform I’m familiar with is Tiny Buddha.

    But I’ve read (AI tells me so) that social media, search engines, and recommendation algorithms reinforce existing beliefs rather than encourage complexity. The fast-paced nature of online interactions encourages quick judgments, reducing the space for reflection. While binary thinking has always been present, the digital age has intensified and reinforced it, making it more dominant in everyday decision-making.

    “LOL – I implied an ‘either-or’ when it’s going to be both.”—it would be impossible for anyone (even those who practice mindfulness, philosophy, and critical thinking) to never engage in binary thinking. Human cognition naturally categorizes and simplifies complex information into manageable parts, and in many contexts, binary thinking is useful.

    “Skillful discernment—something we will all need to develop. I hope society will be up to the task.”—I’m not optimistic about where society is headed, but then… I never was.

    “But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart.”—She had space in her heart to ponder. Many people don’t have that kind of space, whether due to distraction or hardship.

    I’m glad I do now. It’s a great relief, considering how things used to be for me.

    Anita

    #446785
    Alessa
    Participant

    Good lord I’ve written a lot today and I’m still not done.

    Treat others as you want to be treated.

    At first I took it at face value, it’s about being kind and thought nothing more of it. These days I have been thinking that when we experience our darkest moments and even when we make mistakes is when we need kindness the most. The same goes for others.

    As a parent, it is scary thinking that I can’t protect my son from struggles to come.

    AI can already be used as a therapist. I don’t think it replaces human connection though. There is something special about opening your heart to another person. A vulnerability to it, trust.

    I remember a story I read and really enjoyed. It focused on the city of Paris. Imagine being a tourist there. What a tourist might see and do. Then imagine being a local. What might they see and do?

    The tourist has a specific perspective of Paris. The local another. In reality, every person who visits or lives in Paris will have their own perspectives of it. And all of these perspectives make up the whole.

    I find that the mind and the body go hand in hand. I wouldn’t worry about it, you are doing good work Peter. I have faith that things will continue to unfold for you naturally in their own way, in their own time. Such is life! ❤️

    I think that is a rather sensible view that it takes a healthy ego to let go. I can see it becoming more of a focus in the later half of life. But I do see the struggles of letting go occurring naturally throughout life. A toddler is a little addict. Everything is desire. Grappling with desire, developing a mental filter and learning to manage emotions are key to developing in a healthy way.

    As a parent, life becomes unpredictable. All you can do is try and hope for the best because you don’t know the outcome. There are all of these hopes, dreams and fears bundled up with this tiny person, because you care and want them to have a good life. But it is their life. Their decision. Their future. And life whilst beautiful, is at times cruel. Letting go any semblance of control as your life becomes entwined in theirs.

    And for many women they put their lives on hold either because it is not financially viable for them to work whilst raising young children or because research shows that being raised at home for their early years benefits their development. In this way, identity is stripped away and yet you become very busy.

    Chronic illness also affects young people more than you’d think. Another stripping of identity.

    I guess I’ve always been interested in spiritual development. For me, it is a habit that particularly took off in my early teens. People have their own habits and tendencies and life has its own path.

    I feel like because people are older, things are seen as moving towards an end. There is a desire to prepare for that, perhaps?

    Whereas being ill younger. There is a drive not to spend your whole life that way.

    Almost a kind of duality. Playing on rejection and acceptance of different things.

    I can understand not being motivated to experience fear Anita. It isn’t a pleasant process, especially for someone who has experienced so much of it in life.

    I will say that things opened up even more for me with other emotions after getting to grips with expressing fear. You’re doing so well with expressing anger. I have faith that you will get around to it when you are ready in your own time. I understand how difficult it is to have no one to confide in growing up. ❤️

    Anger was the last thing for me to get to grips with. I still need to work on developing my emotional regulation skills some more. I don’t want to rely on masking all of the time. I’m going to have to work on being vulnerable in an age appropriate way.

    #446786
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Binary thinking existed long before personal computers

    True, my point was that the digital “information” age re-enforces that tendency. Our reliance on our ‘smart phones’ to not only manage and record our memories but in ‘think’ for us… we need discernment sills more then ever.

    Hi ALessa
    Thanks for the vote of confidence.

    I’ve also pondered the notions of ‘Treating others as you want to be treated.’ -‘Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you’ similar but not the same thing. And then ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’ – wondering – what if were not so great at loving ourselves? Then the suggestion to read that literally, that we are our neighbor. In the web of life everything is connected – what we do to the earth we do to ourselves…

    “We swim in a river consciousness, experiencing just a molecule of the whole, mistaking it as separated from the whole the I calls I.
    We do not “come into” this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean “waves,” the universe “peoples.” Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe.” – Watts

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