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  • #214749
    Ganesha11
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    I met this guy online August of 2017.

    We went on a couple dates and both realized there was much chemistry between the two of us. About a month into seeing each other and talking (on the daily) I realized I wanted to get to know him more and on another level. Not on the “talking” level  more like; dating.

    At this point I was not interested in continuing to pursue other people as I wanted to focus on the one I felt I had good chemistry with and see where it could go. This was not the case for him. He wanted to continue to talk with me while he talked to and met other women. Even though in this same time frame he would be telling me just how beautifully crazy the chemistry flowed between us and that it was so good, too good, it scarred him.  It was at this moment I let him know I wanted to get to know him on a deeper level and take it from there. I asked him what was stopping him from wanting to do the same if he claimed it was so good. He would avoid answering my question. I insisted on the same questions time and time again until he reluctantly told me he was getting to know another girl which he liked and wanted to continue to “talk” with. All while I was still a part of the equation, too. And any other girl he felt like seeing. I told him I appreciated his honesty  (which I did and still do) but that I was not willing to just be another option on his buffet table. I told him I would need for him to decide if he wanted to continue to get to know me or the other girl (in that personal/relationship way). He asked me how much time I was willing to give him and I said a week should be enough time to make up his mind.

    The week came and I approached the subject. He tried to stall for a couple days’ more but I insisted he should know by now. He reluctantly told me she was more of what he needed at the time. He immediately asked and requested I remain his friend, I told him I needed a few day’s to ‘rewire’ my brain and that we should be fine afterwards and continue with the friendship part of things as nothing. Again, we developed a close and strong bond in such little time. Weeks went by and we continued to have contact (as friends) but I was very negative and cold with anything that had to do with him until one day he called me out on it. He let me know he wanted us to be friends and that he cared for me but that he did not deserve to be treated so poorly and would rather end the friendship if this was what shall be. I accepted my wrong and corrected myself. The friendship continued.

    A few things I should mention are that when we met in August it had barley been maybe 2 months that he and his wife had separated. She left to another state along with his step-daughter to what should’ve only been a vacation only she never returned to start the divorce process which had already been discussed. I believe he only spoke briefly with her a couple times over the phone and his divorce is yet to be finalized. He is a “let it go” kind of guy which claims life’s unfortunate or negative circumstances have no ill effect on him whatsoever. Yet on the other hand he tells me he wishes to establish a relationship at some point in his life and this time he won’t be faithful because he claims he was “a good (faithful) guy” to his wife and being a loyal, providing, and faithful husband didn’t get him anywhere good so might as well live life up to his own standards.

    By this time it is around January and we continue to enjoy each other’s company and friendship when we can. I started to talk to someone new and that was going well and occupied my free time.  I did not ask him about his personal/relationship affairs as I still felt I wanted no part of that aspect of his life. And I would hardly mention mine. A Don’t ask-don’t tell, out of sight-out of mind type thing.

    March is here and we start to get closer in our relationship role which includes speaking about those personal relationships. He opens up about a small travel dilemma he was facing with a new girl he has been seeing. I whole heartedly listen and give him the advice I see fit. After his travels with this girl he stops seeing her and we start spending a lot more time together. At this point I am no longer seeing the new man I had met due to personal convictions.

    From March to present time (June) we have spent a lot of time together doings those perfect things a couple would do. I feel like our bond and chemistry starts to once again flourish and grow stronger. This time more meaningful and deeper, he has really opened up to me and I have seen his efforts in changing his ways towards me. We jokingly tease each other over the “Lovers & Friends” relationship we established. He is always promising he will be there for me no matter what the cases may be, no matter what title we possess or lack. The same man who tells me; “Please, do not fall for me right now“. The same man that tells me he does not want to lose me. The same man that tells me time and time again; “We never know what tomorrow brings, if we end up together or not we do not know”. The same man who has learned to show his kindhearted and affectionate side towards a woman when he rather have his unemotional facade on 24/7

    I myself put on a more hardcore-don’t care approach towards him since the first “fall-out”. I was coming off more cold than I even am, if at all. I am the hopeless romantic type, a believer of soul-mates, a believer in ever-lasting love, a positive friend who is always ready to encourage and empower those around her. With him, I was not these things, these things he knows about me from speaking about who I really am but I never cared to show him my normal kind-hearted usual self. I saw it as me protecting my heart from being hurt (a shield). If I tell myself that I don’t care and don’t show it then surely there will not be a way for him to hurt me or me to feel like I let myself down. It was not until recently that this façade really got to be too heavy on my heart and I could no longer go on with this care-free care-less facade I was putting up. At first I felt like he didn’t take in anything I said but through time I started to see him open himself up in a more positive note and the changes that brought forward.

    My dilemma is…is this Lovers & Friends relationship possible without ending up heartbroken? I liked the guy since day one and even after everything that has happened there is a big part of me that wishes we were more than friends. I have developed deep feelings for him which I can no longer deny to myself. It is not love, but it is not just a deep regard for him as my friend either. I have not expressed this to him yet I can’t help to think he knows it just as much as I can see that he also cares for me more than as friends. Yet here we are…just friends. I want his friendship as much as I would want a relationship with him. I am afraid to continue this way and fall deeper for him and have it end up going nowhere. As I am also afraid to let go of my best friend because I can’t see him as just that, a friend

    I am sorry this is so long and detailed. I wanted to give as best background as possible. I thank you all, in advanced, for taking the time to read and even more grateful for any feedback.

    #214751
    Mark
    Participant

    MariTapatia,

    I don’t believe any of us can protect our hearts and truly live a full, heart-centered life.  I do believe that we can be cautious and discerning with people whom we have knowledge about their past behavior.

    I would not discount being “just friends” for that can be more meaningful and deeper than lovers.

    You say you have deep feelings for him.  You say it is not “love” and not a “deep regard” either.  I would put aside labels and practice being authentic along with honoring your heart and head.

    What would change if you two became more than friends?  You two would be sexual?  Anything else that would change?

    You are expressing fear for continuing to deepen your friendship/relationship because it may end up going “nowhere.”  I say that your relationship is not nowhere.  Even if you did not become lovers/romantic partners, you already experienced a wonderful friendship.

    Make sense?
    Mark

     

    #214755
    Margarita
    Participant

    You are obviously in turmoil over this relationship. Since you have asked the question here is an honest response meant solely for your benefit and future.

    l do not see a peaceful future for you with this guy for the following reasons:

    Despite him saying he has just ‘let his marriage breakup go,’ he is still carrying hurt and unresolved issues from it.  He wants to live just to please himself and will no longer be faithful to anyone.        Ask yourself: is this what you want in a relationship you commit to?       I don’t think he is ready or wants to commit to anyone, which includes you. He is still licking his wounds.  He is all over the place relationship wise.

    There is chemistry between you. That’s sufficient to build a fling on but won’t sustain a long term relationship. While chemistry is great, it’s something that happens with many people. (Often the cause of affairs in marriage where someone’s integrity is lacking, they want to ‘please themselves’). I’ve been married for 35 years and have met wonderful men with whom the chemistry was electrifying. The men in question usually wanted to pursue it. I didn’t because I am not here just to please myself. I am committed to my relationship as is my husband. That trust is so powerful.  I am not saying this as a bragging statement. I’ve also had a marriage where my husband wasn’t faithful. Needless to say it crashed, burned and tore me up.  Which one of those do you want. A man you can’t trust? It will eat at you and that chemistry until you are just left with a whole lot of why why why?

    He is not giving you anything to build a future on. He will be happy to have an intimate relationship with you but don’t mistake it for commitment.

    I think you already know the answer to your question. There is only heartbreak ahead. You are already chaotic in your feelings for him. Trying to hold back because you don’t trust the relationship. If he had the depth of feeling for you that you want he would be able to commit to you, (for now). I’m sorry if that seems harsh. I just don’t think he can or will give you what you deserve. Don’t settle for less.

    look after yourself, life is too short to live on someone else’s terms.

    ❤️

    #214817
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear GaneshaMF:

    You wrote: “he tells me he wishes to establish a relationship at some point in his life and this time he won’t be faithful because he claims he was ‘a good (faithful) guy’ to his wife and being a loyal, providing husband didn’t get him anywhere good so might as well live life up to his own standards”.

    Later in your post, you wrote: “I am afraid to  continue this way and fall deeper for him and have it end up going nowhere”-

    My question: let’s say your relationship or friendship with him does end up somewhere, let’s say it ends up in marriage. But if his new way in marriage is not being a “good (faithful) guy”, not “being a loyal, providing husband”, then what good is such a marriage for you?

    anita

    #214905
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi GaneshaMF,

    Two thoughts:

    1. You and all the other girls he encounters ARE on the buffet table of his life. The man is still technically married.

    2. Him saying  that he wouldn’t be faithful if he marries again because he was a good husband and look where it got him… That is a HUGE, screaming, waving red flag with warning sirens blaring with it.

    Stop with the “friendship”, stop with the hope, just… Stop!

    Don’t hang your hat with this guy,

    Inky

    #214913
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Inky: “a HUGE, screaming, waving red flag with warning sirens blaring with it”- part of one of The Best of Inky’s, what a beautiful way to put it, very colorful, very appropriate to this 4th of July weekend, like fireworks. Happy 4th of July, Inky!

    anita

    #215123
    Ganesha11
    Participant

    Thank you ALL for taking the time to reply with sincere and blunt honesty.

    I have come to the realization that I do need to move on and shift my focus, time, and energy somewhere else. I am typically not one to linger when I know it comes to things that wont take me on the path which I want to be on. Whether that be people, career or anything in life.  I value my time and hate to deposit it in meaningless things which don’t serve my purpose and goals. This is the first time in my life I have let myself be a part of a “relationship” of this nature.

    That being said,  I got caught up with hope and the wishful thinking and all the “what ifs”. I got to see him evolve and take so many positive steps towards being more of the man which I want/need in my life. I saw this as him making the effort to try and be that man. And even knowing that he feels a certain way for me and has come to show it in his own ways it is not sufficient for me. He is at a broken stage in his life (emotionally) and is unavailable for me or anyone else. I want more, I need more. I refuse to keep receiving just enough bread crumbs to make me want to stay and keep that hope alive. Timing is off and wrong and I now accept that he is not for me nor am I for him. And that is okay.

    Going forward I will cut contact with him, I do not know how long, weeks, or months. We were sexually active, again we did everything a couple did. The only thing we were missing was the exclusivity and title of boyfriend/girlfriend. All of that will seize immediately. I do want him in my life at some point, as the friend I have come to cherish and care for, not just yet though, I need my time to completely get over this hiccup I caused within myself. I feel silly I even let it get this far but at the same time I have no regrets. I am a firm believer that everything happens for a reason and I walk away taking in a new learning experience.

    Again, thank you all for your advise and input!

    Love,

    Ganesha11

    #215283
    Inky
    Participant

    *Thank you anita!! *bows*

    And a Happy Fourth of July to everyone! Let us all watch fireworks wherever we are and eat a tasty pork/beef/vegan hotdog and forget about all our troubles… just for a night!

    Inky

    #215335
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ganesha11:

    You are welcome. In both your posts you read like a reasonable person, intelligent emotionally, not only intellectually. You did very well being assertive with this man (first post). My feeling is that it will be his loss to not pursue a committed, lovers relationship with you. He said the chemistry with you is great and reading your posts, it will benefit him a whole lot to be partners with a reasonable, intelligent,, honest and assertive woman.

    Relationships aren’t perfect, of course and it does happen that they get better, even very good, unexpectedly. But I wouldn’t just hope for such a change, and you don’t seem to be willing to do that either. Waiting and hoping passively is a bad idea. If he was able and willing to be exclusive with you, then maybe there would be a good reason to… actively wait, that is, continue the honest communication, but not without exclusivity on his part.

    You wrote: “He is a ‘let it go’ kind of guy which claims life’s unfortunate or negative circumstances have no ill effect on him whatsoever”- I wonder if you no longer being available to him, neither as a friend nor as a friend-and-lover, will have any ill effect on him.

    * Dear Inky: you are welcome, a tasty hot dog reads delightful to me. I join you with wishing every person reading this a Happy Fourth of July.

    anita

    #215591
    Ganesha11
    Participant

    Anita,

    I appreciate your words and kind criticism. I have been through so much change (good and bad) that it would be foolish to not have learned and grown as a result. Looking back, I am grateful for the ups and down life has brought upon me as it has shaped me into who I am today.

    That being said; I wish I knew if my absence will have any affect (if at all) in his life. Ill or not. I will not dwell on that and leave that up to him and the universe to discover and know. All I know is that I no longer wish to deposit the good in me into a bottomless pit. It has cost me so much to be who and where I am today that it is counterproductive to let this circumstance stall my growth and hinder my  chances of finding someone who is true and on the same page as me.

    I hope your Fourth of July was spent in great company, eventful or not. I was able to escape into the forest. Nothing but a rowboat, lake, and sunshine!

    LOVE,

    Ganesha11

     

    #215595
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Ganesha11:

    Interesting, I escaped into the forest as well, a river, not a lake though and very little sunshine.

    “I no longer wish to deposit the good in me into a bottomless pit”- what an original way to put it, original and wise. And better find someone who is “true and on the same page as (you)”.

    A pleasure reading from you, hope you post again, anytime.

    anita

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