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  • #441093
    Chau
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    Dear all/ Anita,

    Hello! Merry Xmas!

    it’s been a month or so since i last updated. I feel like the break up was settled(it actually took less than half a year to feel this settle so I am pretty proud of myself 🙂 )hope you all are ok.

    Taking a break

    Just an update on my current situation:
    1) I got two cats(siblings, originally thinking to just foster, but feel like i am quite used to them around, and I think they have bonded with me quite well, within 1 month’s time)
    2) I didn’t get a tattoo, feels like this is a step that I am not ready to take yet

    In terms of relationship, emotionally i feel quite settled with my ex now. Her family got some issues and we had a brief chat on things, I don’t feel particularly disturbed or upset, basically just caring for a friend type of feelings. So, I feel that i am quite settled.

    Something happened just before Xmas, which I want to share though.
    There is this new, young(just 28, I am in my early 40’s) colleague who approached me around 2 weeks ago. Initially we just chatted over text but there was one day she went into my room, talked about some random work stuff, and then we began to talk about more personal issues. She seemed to be very curious of how i am as a person, we basically know a lot of our past love lives and our current lives, and we got on really well too , and I think we keep talking to each other every day since then(till today)

    Fast forward, I realized although she was officially single(the other woman denied having any relationship with her), but in reality, their lives were so intertwined and that practically they were together. I only realized this on Xmas Eve, we spent Xmas eve together at my place and the woman called her, asking where she was(by then i realized the situation was a lot more complicated than being single).

    On Xmas day, she said she and that woman had a fight and would no longer be able to continue anything between them(relationship? Friendship?). She was quite devastated, so I offered to accompany her that night.
    She spent Xmas night at my place until late night, she almost slept at my place but i asked her to go home, as her mom called her asking of her whereabout, expecting her to go home.
    on that night, we hugged each other etc. We didn’t kiss or went further, but things were pretty heated up.
    The next day, i told her very directly, that we were getting close pretty quickly, I like her and am interested in her, but i think we need more time to explore and get to understand each other. On top, she needs to settle her issue with the other party. She agreed and understood, and she said she had good impression of me and would like to explore and get to know me more.

    But then, two days later, she and that woman resumed contact and was thinking to try out to be friends at least for now, my colleague admitted she wanted to see if they could be together eventually, but eventually they argued again just the next day, and they ‘broke up again’, only a day later.

    I tried to avoid getting involved in this mess, I tried to stay out of it on the day she told me she would try again with the woman. By distancing her a bit, by replying sporadically, But later she said she was crying etc upon ‘breaking up(second time within 5 days)’,i started talking to her a bit again to comfort her.

    I find her attractive, she is very caring and emotive, unlike my ex who compartmentalizes. She is also witty and has a good sense of humor. Her vision of future(getting married) align with mine.
    But she seems distracted, and she seems not making plans with me(which i feel is a red flag also, possibility emotionally unavailable at this state)

    She has currently ‘broken up’ with the woman, but at the back of my mind i think her attachment to the woman is so strong, that she would go back anytime.
    I think at this stage, being friends/ just a random colleague is better. But I am having a hard time to position myself. I have some attachment on her for now(just 2 weeks I guess i can settle it). I could have just told her that i needed some space to adjust my feelings for her(back to friends), but I am probably need her help to stop talking to me to make it easier, which means i have to say it out loud.
    But this seems hard given we work in the same company(but we usually just see each other once a week so that’s ok i guess). And in general i can’t just ignore her,I am more superior than her and that I might get involved with her work as well

    For now, my thinking are:
    1) She is trying to find some comfort elsewhere, from her current ‘ex-partner’. Their relationship sounds pretty toxic to me and she also knows there is no way out
    2) She is interested in me but not so interested to a point where she can forget about her current ‘ex-partner’
    3) my main concern is how she deals with relationship, she seems to be obsessed with the past situation and unable to see what it is at this very moment. While she is in a situationship with this woman, she would flirt with me. How should i expect if she is with me?(major red flag i guess?)
    4) We talked about plans, but then things don’t seem to be confirmed, even if we do meet, they seem more last min plan(and I have a feeling I might just be a second choice?)

    Seeing it all out, made me realized, this may not seem to be a good relationship to pursue? the next question would be, how do i position myself?

    Any comments are welcomed. It’s still at budding stage so I think I can easily pull myself out. Or, I dunno wait and see
    Have a great day.

    Chau

    #441107
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Chau

    I’m glad to hear that you are healing from your break up and you have two lovely cats now. 😊

    Do I remember correctly that you had difficulties with your previous ex and a previous partner? I would suggest that this kind of situation might be a trigger for you.

    I think that you’re spot on in that she is emotionally unavailable at the moment. Sometimes people can be attracted to things that are not healthy for them because thought patterns want to continue.

    Your work could be an issue too. I would recommend not discussing feelings with her.

    She is clearly hung up on her on again off again partner. Just because they are not official doesn’t mean that they are not in a relationship.

    Perhaps you are interested in dating again and this is the takeaway from all of this? Is there any kind of dating scene that you could get involved with?

    I would file this away in my mind as a hard no. I think that a partner who is actively invested in a relationship is important. But that is just me.

    Love and best wishes! ❤️🙏

    #441108
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Chau:

    Good to read from you again! Last time was Nov 8, 1 month and 22 days. Merry Christmas back to you! I’m glad to read that you’re quite settled after your breakup.

    Congratulations on adopting the two cats!

    “There is this new, young (just 28, I am in my early 40’s) colleague who approached me around 2 weeks ago… on that night, we hugged each other etc. We didn’t kiss or went further, but things were pretty heated up. The next day, i told her very directly, that we were getting close pretty quickly, I like her and am interested in her, but i think we need more time to explore and get to understand each other. On top, she needs to settle her issue with the other party. She agreed and understoodand… two days later, she and that woman resumed contact… my colleague admitted she wanted to see if they could be together eventually, but eventually they argued again just the next day, and they ‘broke up again’, only a day later… I find her attractive, she is very caring and emotive, unlike my ex who compartmentalizes. She is also witty and has a good sense of humor. Her vision of future (getting married) align with mine. But she seems distracted, and she seems not making plans with me… We talked about plans, but then things don’t seem to be confirme”-

    – it’s clear that she has many appealing qualities, such as being caring, emotive, witty, and having a good sense of humor. It’s natural to feel attracted to her and appreciate these positive traits. Also, she has shown a significant interest in you, initiating conversations and sharing personal details, and that must have felt good. I’m sure that when things were heated up that night, that felt very good.

    But she is entangled in a complicated and possibly toxic relationship with another woman. Despite stating that the relationship was over, she quickly resumed contact and had multiple breakups within a short period. This on-and-off relationship suggests emotional instability and unresolved issues with her current/ex-partner. She (your colleague) displays signs of emotional volatility, being devastated by her fights and breakups with the other woman. Her emotional state appears to be influenced heavily by the ups and downs of this relationship.

    Although she expresses interest in you and shares a vision of the future that aligns with yours, her actions indicate distraction and a lack of commitment. She has not made concrete plans with you and seems more focused on her issues with the other woman.

    Given the complexities, it’ll be wise, as you quickly figured out, to maintain a cautious distance and allow her the time to resolve her issues before considering any further romantic involvement. Communicating your need for space and clarity can help protect your emotional health while still showing empathy and understanding for her situation. Communicating your need for space is challenging, especially since you work together.

    You could consider saying something like: “I really enjoyed getting to know you, and I appreciate our conversations. Given your current situation, I think it’s best for us to take a step back and focus on being colleagues for now. I need some space to process my feelings and ensure we don’t complicate things further”.

    Chau, you’ve shown great self-awareness in recognizing these challenges and understanding the situation. You deserve a relationship that offers stability, mutual respect, and commitment, and it’s okay to prioritize your well-being and set boundaries that feel right for you. If she truly respects and cares for you, she will understand and give you the space you need.

    Take care, and I’m here, as always, whenever you need any more support or advice.

    anita

    #441123
    Chau
    Participant

    Hello Helcat

    Good to hear from you.
    Yes there was a similar situation before as well. I guess it triggered me in a sense that I know I need to apply my lesson learnt. my current ex had some complications(not as complicated as this one i feel) before we were together. I did the same, to distance myself from her for a while to transform my feelings, before I talk to her again.
    For this time, the colleague’s attachment to her ex is still very strong, and she even verbally said she wanted to be with her if at all possible. So obviously this is not something that I would consider engaging in. I don’t feel very bothered(I am, but not to an extend that it is affecting my mental health), and I am quicker in realizing how the dynamics are in this current situation. I guess i have learned from the past.

    The work thing is complicated, but it does seem to me she still want to chat with me, as friends? as potential partner ? i really don’t know. and I can’t just cut her off, it would be weird when we meet in the office.

    She used to say a lot more flirty stuffs before i showed my distance. I think she either is not in the mood(quite engulfed with her current break up) and also, may be she knows I am setting a firmer boundary.

    Thanks for your wishes.
    Happy new year to you!
    Chau

    #441124
    Chau
    Participant

    Hello Anita

    Good to hear from you too!
    Thanks for your suggestions and kind words.
    Yes she did show a lot of good qualities. I think all the qualities and her outlook and the chemistry, they all seem to be matching what I want well. I don’t know how she feels about me but I guess there is no point digging for now, with her current situation.
    i did say something like this last week, but at that point i didn’t know she is so back and forth with her ex. I thought she was breaking up with her and setting things, so all I said was I would still talk to her but won’t go any further, so that she could have time to settle things. I can support her if needed during this tough time.

    Just that when things unfolds, it seems she is the one who can’t leave her ex.
    i will try to make things clear with her next time I see her, I guess inevitably we will see each other, and may be a proper conversation is necessary

    Thanks Anita, wish you a lovely year in 2025

    #441152
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Chau (CLara):

    You are very welcome and thank you for wishing me a lovely new year. I wish you a love-filled 2025, a year where you will co-create a love story of mutual commitment, investment, good-will, care and (again, mutual) respect, being each other’s NUmber 1 !

    Anita

    #441154
    Helcat
    Participant

    Hi Clara

    Well done in learning from the dynamics of your past relationship and on protecting yourself by setting a boundary. 😊

    It’s true, it could cause problems at work to stop talking. It depends on how comfortable you are talking to her and how much distance you feel that you need.

    It’s good that you recognize the qualities that you are interested in for a partner, as well as the qualities that you aren’t interested in.

    Stay true to yourself! Happy New Year! 🎆

    Love and best wishes! 🙏❤️

    #441159
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    Hello Chau,

    From the posts here, I understand that you are after a difficult break up. (?)

    How do you feel about the idea to take a break from relationships, rest, focus only on yourself and simply let everything flow?

    Sometimes when we try too hard, it just gets worse.

    Enjoy the New Year’s Eve over there. 🙂

    ☀️ 🪷

    #441669
    Chau
    Participant

    Hi all
    Thanks for all your reply

    @jana
    , yes I did go through a difficult break up around 6 months ago, but I feel good right now, emotionally I think i am available and ready to enter a relationship(or not, both are fine actually)
    So I actually am not actively looking for someone, I do go on dating app, but most of the time i just chat with people but honestly am not very active, i’d like things to go more naturally instead.

    Anyways, a few weeks have passed so quickly.
    In short, I didn’t really cut my colleague off. I did try, after I knew she and the ‘woman’ are in good terms now(whatever that means), just immediately after New year i think. There was also one time when I felt she was not fulfilling what she said(she said she would help me trim my cats’ nail but it never happened), and I felt she was mostly just seeing me in between her other commitments , but not really making plan(which i said earlier), so i asked her no need to say she would help unless she could really find a confirmed time(she has all the ‘may be tmr’ ‘unsure if sun works’ things going on). I basically said if her priority is not with this, and insinuated that if her priority is not with us/ our interaction, I don’t want to continue with this.

    We stopped talking to each for just one day after i said so, and the day after(which is a Monday, 2 weeks ago), i hurt my knee and when she knew about this, she kept asking how i was and eventually we started talking again, like how we used to be.
    We talk everyday still, i was a bit angry with her at something the other day, i told her about it and said i feel that she has taken me for granted, she was very eager to reach out to me and tried to comfort me. But when i told my friend about this, she reminded me that these interactions, are very couple like, to which i also agree. The interactions are far from pure friendship. There are times when she said she wants a hug, and i do want hugs too and we would hug each other. We just didn’t kiss or go further. So we are kind of in this grey zone.

    Last week she had hre birthday, we went out for dinner the next day.
    I asked her about her ‘woman’ that night, she told me then she knew she wouldn’t be with the ‘woman’ in the long run, she was also very tired of taking care of her. She mentioned her ‘friend’ also asked her to explore other options and don’t be stuck with her. She did tell me her vision of her future partners. So in a way she mentioned they were not together But I know they still interact(probably closely), and I really have a hard time gauging this. It feels like I am navigating a world that I previously had no idea exist. The way she handles relationship is not something that I can comprehend.
    That night when we left, we held hands, i walked her back home and we hugged.

    I mean, I have a part in it. I didn’t set firmer boundaries with her. I would have reiterate my boundary and expectations. But because she was my colleague so I didn’t really wana cut her off. Secondly, I am indeed attracted to her and this makes me hard to leave.

    I know i need to keep more distance with her, which I was thinking to do so after our planned birthday dinner celebration.
    It was last friday night, and throughout the weekend I did talk less to her. She usually talks less to me during her day off though, I think she was busy celebrating still(she got so many friends celebrating with her that she had to arrange breakfast celebration)

    There are other things, that I think may be considered as red flat
    – her boundary setting, with her ‘friends’ , and obviously with me
    – she said she was spoiled and like to feel she was spoiled by her partner( i kinda agree, she probably like grand gesture which are not my forte)
    – she said she could get really obsessive/ possessive if she really like someone.

    I think i need I need to set firmer boundaries, with or without stating it clearly with her. I could have just stopped the interaction with her so that things could die down.
    I don’t see her as a very good long term partner, so in any case, I should just stop this.
    It’s just that I have some attachment lingering on, and honestly, I have been deprived with care/ simply some deep hugs, to which i mentioned she was very good at. I think that’s why

    Thanks for listening all!
    Clara

    #441683
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    Thank you for sharing this update. It sounds like you’ve been navigating a lot of emotional complexities and doing your best to find clarity and balance.

    It’s good to hear that you’re feeling emotionally ready for a new relationship, or comfortable with taking things as they come. It’s important to give yourself the time and space to let things unfold naturally.

    Your situation with your colleague is indeed complicated. It’s commendable that you’ve recognized the red flags and the need for firmer boundaries. It’s also understandable that your attraction to her, the emotional support she offers at times, and the fact that she is a work colleague, all make it difficult to step back completely.

    Earlier, you clearly communicated to her your interest and desire to take time to understand each other better, emphasizing the need for her to resolve existing issues first (her unresolved attachment to her ex/ present-partner). You showed her empathy and patience, and a willingness to support her during tough times, even if it complicates your emotions.

    You are and have been emotionally aware and communicative about your feelings and intentions- with her, and here on your thread. You’re also cautious and reflective, recognizing red flags, and understandably demonstrating caution in proceeding with the relationship.

    On her part, her on-and-off relationship and emotional turmoil indicate- as you know- instability and unresolved attachment to the ex-present-partner. This instability may be what’s leading her to seek comfort from others (you included), so to cope with her feelings of hurt, confusion, and distress.

    During times of emotional distress, it’s common for individuals to seek out support and comfort from people. This helps to feel less isolated and more supported. Engaging in new relationships or close connections can serve as a distraction from the pain of the on-and-off relationship. By focusing on someone new, she might temporarily escape the emotional challenges she is facing.

    But while seeking comfort from a new person might provide temporary relief, it doesn’t address the underlying issues or the emotional baggage from the on-and-off relationship.

    When someone is still emotionally attached to an ex, their attention and emotional energy are divided. This can make it difficult for them to adequately invest in a new relationship as part of them is still focused elsewhere.

    A new relationship formed quickly after a breakup can often be a rebound, where the primary goal is to fill the void left by the previous relationship. This type of relationship is typically less stable and may not be based on genuine compatibility. Therefore, before entering a new relationship, it’s important for individuals to heal emotionally and come to terms with the end of their previous relationship. This ensures they are ready to invest adequately and healthily in a new connection.

    I’ve been experimenting with using poetry in my replies in the forums, and I wonder if the following may help you better communicate with her:

    Poem for her: In Between the Lines

    In moments shared, we’ve wandered close,
    In couple-like exchanges,
    In this grey zone, undefined,
    Our hearts and minds were sometimes intertwined.

    We’ve talked, we’ve laughed, we’ve held so tight,
    Yet boundaries blurred in the quiet night,
    I see the care, the warmth you bring,
    But also feel the hurt it stings.

    Your birthday passed, we spent the night,
    You spoke of her, the endless fight,
    She drains you, yet you can’t let go,
    I struggle with this, can’t quite know.

    Your heart is torn, I clearly see,
    Between the past and what might be,
    I’ve tried to stand with patient care,
    But find confusion everywhere.

    You said you’d help with simple things,
    Like trimming nails for feline kings,
    Yet plans fell through, commitments missed,
    Between your tasks, our bond dismissed.

    You see me when it fits your day,
    But making plans, you shy away,
    I asked for time, a firm resolve,
    Not “maybe” or “unsure,” absolve.

    I feel attraction, strong and pure,
    Yet, no commitment, boundaries blurred
    Make me unsure,

    I need to step back, find my ground,
    To set a boundary, gentle, kind,
    So, peace and clarity we find.

    Let’s take a step, a thoughtful pause,
    To see the truth, to understand the cause,

    With respect and honesty,
    We’ll find the way it’s meant to be.

    What do you think about this poem, Clara: does it resonate with you?

    anita

    #441951
    anita
    Participant

    Hoping you are well, Clara..?

    anita

    #441999
    Chau
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    I am good thanks for checking!
    Been a bit busy lately, let me properly reply you late
    hope you are well
    Clara

    #442001
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    It’s good to read that you’re doing well! No worries about being busy—take your time and reply whenever you can. I’m doing well too, thanks for asking.

    Looking forward to catching up when you have the time!

    anita

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