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May 12, 2025 at 8:49 pm #445680
Chau
ParticipantDear Anita
thanks for your reply, let me explore some books and see if i can find some that resonate with me, thank you
May 12, 2025 at 9:54 pm #445682anita
ParticipantYou are welcome, always, Clara. Tell mw more when you are ready, when you can.
anita
May 14, 2025 at 10:39 am #445726anita
ParticipantDear Clara:
I want to share what I understand personally about anxious-avoidant attachment—it’s about needing closeness yet fearing it at the same time.
In the explanation that follows, I’ll be repeating myself—expressing the same idea in different ways—because I believe that approach helps deepen understanding.
As children, we learned to associate love with abuse, because the two became intertwined. Maybe a parent was sometimes affectionate or took care of us—it felt good. But at other times, they were neglectful or abusive—it felt bad. Or perhaps a parent was consistently neglectful or abusive, and we learned to associate the love we offered them with the pain we received in return.
This confusion stays with us—it makes intimacy feel both comforting and dangerous, leaving us caught between longing and fear.
Anxious-avoidant attachment is a complex dynamic where a person craves intimacy but simultaneously fears it.
When a child’s love for a parent was met with rejection, manipulation, or abuse, the child learns that attachment comes with risk. If caregivers were both the source of comfort and distress, the child develops conflicting emotional responses—longing for closeness but associating it with harm.
How this attachment manifests in relationships:
1) Seeking love but pushing it away – Feeling drawn to deep connection but panicking when it gets too close.
2) Hypervigilance – Constantly scanning for signs of rejection or betrayal, sometimes even expecting abandonment before it happens.
3) Difficulty trusting – Wanting to believe in love but struggling with deep-seated fears that it will turn into harm.
4) Emotional highs and lows – Shifting between intense attachment and sudden withdrawal, often in response to perceived emotional risks.
In my case, I don’t remember feeling love or closeness with my mother—who, in practice, was a single parent—when I was a child. Not a single memory of feeling safe with her, close to her, or experiencing true emotional togetherness.
Only in the last few years have I been able to feel the love I had for her back then. As a child, I must have repressed it, which is why I wasn’t aware of it at the time. I believe I did so because of the pain she caused me—the severe guilt-trips, the relentless shaming episodes. To protect myself, I shut down, closed in.
I do remember moments when she expressed affection, when she cooked for me—tasty, healthy meals—or bought me toys and treats with her hard-earned money. But I never truly relaxed into those gestures, never felt comforted, because the pattern was always the same. A guilting or shaming episode had already happened, and another was always on the way. Sometimes, it happened right in the middle of a meal.
It was always guilt, always shame—a constant cycle. You can’t feel love for someone who does that to you. Not while they’re doing it, and not when they pause, only to resume again.
Fast forward to interactions with others—unlike with my mother, I sometimes perceived affection and allowed myself to relax into it. I remember those moments. But within hours, I would “wake up” from the warmth and suddenly see the person differently—as if they were a stranger.
Sometimes, it felt like they had completely changed—cold, distant, unfamiliar.
Looking back, I think the need for closeness would take over for a time, but self-protection would always return. Fear of harm, of hurt repeating itself, would creep in. So I would close in again—dissociating, disconnecting, choosing not to feel as a way to avoid being hurt.
I believe that the first time you shared about your childhood, Clara, was on July 2, 2016. There you shared that you grew up timid and fearful of social interactions, experiencing anxiety when engaging with unfamiliar adults. You resented boundary violations, particularly when your uncle hugged you without your consent and your parents failed to protect you from such intrusions.
Your mother was emotionally present, but not protective—allowing boundary violations to happen to you without stepping in. Your father was rigid and harsh, obsessing over small details, punishing mistakes, and even resorting to physical discipline with your brother. He was controlling, making demands you felt powerless to refuse.
A deep sense of betrayal emerged when your mother entered the bathroom while you showered, exposing you to your uncle. You felt violated but were too timid to voice your feelings or confront the situation. This moment symbolized the larger theme of your privacy being repeatedly disregarded.
Connecting this share to anxious-avoidant attachment in romantic relationships- your childhood experiences set the foundation for anxious-avoidant attachment, where you crave closeness but fears it at the same time, particularly the boundary violations in childhood made you associate intimacy with intrusion, leading to discomfort when relationships get too close.
Your father’s harshness and control likely instilled fear of emotional closeness, and your mother’s lack of guidance left you unsure how to establish healthy relationship expectations, leading to confusion about what is acceptable and what is not.
How to move forward, or keep moving forward –
1. Recognizing that love can be safe: your past has taught you to associate love with intrusion, unpredictability, and emotional intensity, but healthy love is different. Love can be steady, gentle, and free of control—and you deserve that kind of love.
2. Honoring your need for boundaries: continue to practice identifying and enforcing boundaries without guilt. If something makes you uncomfortable, you don’t have to justify your feelings—they are valid.
3. Continue to set small boundaries first (declining unnecessary favors, expressing preferences) to build confidence in your ability to protect yourself.
Learning to self-regulate when fear creeps in: when you feel yourself pulling away from closeness out of fear, pause and ask: “Am I protecting myself from real harm, or am I reacting to an old wound?”
Give yourself time to process before withdrawing—sometimes, your instinct to push someone away is just fear trying to shield you from something that isn’t actually dangerous.
Practice grounding techniques (breathing exercises, journaling) to self-soothe instead of emotionally shutting down.
4. Building relationships that feel emotionally safe: choose people who respect your boundaries, validate your emotions, and make you feel seen.
Watch for patterns—someone who pushes you to be more open faster than you’re ready for might not be safe for your healing.
Seek relationships with consistency and kindness, where love is not a guessing game.
5. Releasing self-blame & practicing self-compassion: your past was not your fault. You didn’t choose neglect, boundary violations, or emotional instability.
Allow yourself to grieve for the childhood you needed but didn’t get—this is part of healing.
Speak to yourself with the same kindness and understanding you would offer a friend.
6. Expressing your Needs without fear: you deserve to have needs.
You are not “too much” for wanting emotional security.
Practice expressing your thoughts with people you trust—sharing doesn’t always mean conflict, and your feelings matter.
Keep moving forward at your own pace, Clara, and know that there is room for love that feels safe, steady, and freeing in your future. 💙
anita
July 24, 2025 at 6:33 am #447894anita
ParticipantHow are you, Clara?
August 19, 2025 at 2:14 am #448744Chau
ParticipantHi Anita
Thanks for checking in!
I was about to fill you in with some of my recent situation.I think you should remember, there was a colleague whom I was romantically interested in, but since she was in a complicated, on and off relationship with her ‘partner’, i pulled back and stopped talking to her, somewhere around Feb- Mar.
She never really ‘disappeared’, we had some on and off chats here and there, but nothing too serious. To a point where, even if we see other in the office(which was not very often), we would not leave with each other(previously we would wait for each other and leave the office together)Until towards the end of June, she resurfaced as it was the semester break, and she basically just came to my office everyday.
Day by day, we grew closer again. We held hands and she would me To a ‘play’ with me in a very seductive way. And to point that she came up to my place late one time and we spent the night. It was exactly a month ago that she came to my place.Things seemed pretty ok until a point where she brought up renting a place, a week ago. However I did see red flags here and there prior.
Before she spent the night with me, we talked everyday. and I realized she talked about money quite a bit. One time she jokingly said I could buy her T-back. I was trying to text her limit, and i did transfer her some money and see how she would react. To which she really did deliver her t-back to me. I was very surprised, that she really gave me her T-back, but not return the money and conclude it as a joke.
But I think things just went on too quickly and because i saw her everyday, i could not think straight enough.
For renting the place, she asked if I would rent a new place, and she could crash my place occasionally. She already located a place where she really likes. But when i checked the rent, it was quite expensive and it’s not something that i could immediately afford, I said i could consider, but i need to rent my current place out first(which i bought on my own), before i can have enough money for it, and that i should calculate it well.That’s where things take a downturn.
I was quite upset that night, and I said if this is what she expected of a partner, someone who could just rent a place like this with no hesitation at all, she should think twice. She should think clearly what she wants
I was upset and I did cry that night. The next day(last mon), she said she want me, and she couldn’t sleep that night.She came to my place on Monday, and we sort of made amends.
The next few days we brought up different issues, around money. She again, tried to ‘sell’ herself/ her stuff, and she brought me out and tried out new shoes, I think she wanted me to buy for her. I deliberately withheld myself from buying, i was hoping to see her reactions.Then on Sat, she went cool and had minimal texts, and I realized she hide her stories in instragram from me.
On sunday, we were supposed to play badminton together, afterwards, I confronted her with the hiding of IG stories, she admitted and said there was something that she didn’t want me to see.
I didn’t even bother to ask what they are, and just asked for clarityLater that day, she texted me and sent a very long texts, essentially saying, she expects her partner to be able to afford her daily living, or even some luxurious living style, spoil her by allowing her to change her mind and buy her stuffs, and she basically said she wanted a family and child, and she wants to marry a guy
Honestly, I felt a bit blunt at that point, coz i think i see her so crsytal clear now. She is someone whom i normally won’t even befriend with in the first place.
But what annoyed me that day, is how she still wanted to be friends with me. I think she really enjoys talking to me, and so do i, and she kept asking if we could be friends. I repeatedly said we shouldn’t talk at least at this point, but she lingered. I continued to ignore her few messages, and until she sent me something late night and deleted them.
I was a bit worried and asked her what it was about. And she asked if I could go to a trip with her, that same day. She was supposed to go on a trip with her friend, but her ‘friend’ said she didn’t want to go.
I told her about my work and family situation etc. But she kept urging me, to a point that I said i would consider and apply leave, but may be not immediately on the same day, but on Wed. She said she was crying and couldn’t sleep etc, and somehow i have a softspot for her, it’s just only a week ago when we were very affectionate and passionate with each other afternoon.I updated her about my work once I went to the office, and i said i could took leave from Wed onwards.
Then about half an hour later, she texted sorry and she said she went to the ‘friend’ place, and her ‘friend’ would go with her now.I was very furious, how she treated me as a replacement. And obviously her ‘friend’, is the person whom she had a complicated relationship with, someone whom she support and very close, but the ‘friend’ never admitted her as partner.
I kept saying she was very disrespectful, and I said i was sorry for her, for making this choice and for not able to get away from this trap of hers. And I said i was very upset on how she treated me, listing out the things that i need to do and consider, just to accompany her at her times of distress
In the end, I asked her not to reply me. She was so shameless to a point that she liked my IG story towards the end of the day, which I later on hide from her also.
I gotta go soon, but I am not actually to upset, I only have some lingering attachment(when i look at my phone i would expect there is a message from her) that I need to sort out.
I am also afraid that if she comes back(which I think she would), how i can set firmer boundary, I am a bit afraid of her now, not PTSD but then it’s like i have just escaped from someone whom i had difficult setting boundaries with, would i fall back again?Anyways, hope this is not too long-winded.
I was readying Anita’s previous message, and I think, that is also a good reminder of my situation at the moment.Hope everyone is well!
August 19, 2025 at 12:40 pm #448765anita
ParticipantDear Clara:
Thank you for sharing all of this. It’s not long-winded—it’s honest, layered, and deeply human. You named something so important: the difficulty of setting boundaries with someone who knows how to pull on your soft spots. That’s not weakness—it’s a sign of your capacity for care. But care without reciprocity becomes a trap. And you saw that clearly.
Her pattern—of seduction, emotional urgency, financial expectation, and then withdrawal—wasn’t just confusing. It was destabilizing. You were generous with your time, your attention, even your resources. And when you needed clarity, she gave you contradiction.
You’re not overreacting. You’re responding to a dynamic that blurred intimacy with manipulation. And your decision to step back, even while feeling lingering attachment, is a sign of strength.
You asked: “Would I fall back again?”- Here’s what I see: You already didn’t. You saw the pattern. You named it. You said no. That’s not falling back. That’s rising.
If she returns—and you’re right, she likely will—you don’t owe her access. You don’t owe her softness. You don’t owe her friendship just because she enjoys talking to you.
You owe yourself peace. You owe yourself clarity. You owe yourself the kind of connection that doesn’t require you to second-guess your worth.
I’m proud of you for seeing it so clearly. And I’m here if you need help crafting a boundary phrase, a mantra, or even just a reminder that you’re not alone in this.
With care, Anita
August 19, 2025 at 1:21 pm #448766Alessa
ParticipantHi Chau
I’m so sorry to hear that she strung you along like that again. That’s very cruel. ❤️
I understand the difficulty with setting boundaries, especially since she is a coworker. It can be hard to step away someone who works in your building because it is polite to interact with coworkers and difficulties with coworkers can become very complicated. Not necessarily something that you might want to deal with.
Do you think it might be a good idea to write a note that you can reflect on if you feel an urge to talk to her again? Perhaps you might want to include how you would like to deal with the situation? How the difficulties have made you feel? A summary of events in your relationship with her?
August 19, 2025 at 6:19 pm #448781Chau
ParticipantDear Anita
Thanks for your encouraging words. I like how you can summarize the whole thing in such a concise way. Makes it even clearer to see what has been happening.
It’s just a shame, how things pan out in the end. On the outside, she is this quiet, sweet and caring girl. With fun loving, young energy which I enjoy interacting with. This is how i got attracted to her. I think she is also attracted to my sense of humor, my caring character. I did have expectation in this, and that’s where i need to settle in terms of my emotions.But within a month she has exposed her other side to me, probably because i asked her to think of what she wanted in relationship earlier last week also, and so she did.
I trust that she did like me/ likes me still, but what she aspires to in relationship is something that I can’t totally agree with. It sounds like the balance between materialistic/ financial support and emotional/ mental support is quite out of place. She did make me doubt myself a bit, how well i am capable in terms of taking care of my partner. i think financially i am quite ok already but i still took a hit, when she said she needed to break away because i couldn’t satisfy all her wants. While deep down i also know her wants/ desires, can be unlimited.I do still have empathy for her, i think the path that she has chosen may not lead her to what she truly wants. But this is out of my control and none of my business also. Everyone choose something that they think they want best, and bear with the results of it
When you say crafting boundary phrase, what exactly do you mean? i am interested to know more.
Take care
ChauAugust 19, 2025 at 6:22 pm #448782Chau
ParticipantDear Alessa
thanks for replying. Yes it’s awful how she treated me like a second option/ replacement. But at least i told her off and still had my healthy anger inside of of me.
I forgot to mention, she actually left my work place, actually that’s the reason why i wanted to ask her about her relationship goal, after she left the office.
So it’s all good, supposedly i am not seeing her.I think i can try to write things out, if i want to find her. I did have a moment that i missed her last night, we had some good times Afterall. But i went to talk to my friends, and they know they need to talk with me during times like this, which i am very grateful for.
Chau
August 19, 2025 at 7:05 pm #448785anita
ParticipantDear Clara:
Your reflection carries a lot of grace—both toward her and toward yourself. I can feel the tenderness in how you describe her energy, and also the quiet ache of realizing that what you hoped for may not align with what she’s seeking. That kind of emotional recalibration is no small thing.
You’re already doing something powerful: naming the dissonance without vilifying her, and acknowledging your own emotional impact without collapsing into self-blame. That’s the kind of clarity that boundary work is built on.
When I talk about “crafting boundary phrases,” here are some boundary phrases you might explore or adapt:
* “I care about you, and I also need to be honest about what I can sustainably offer in a relationship.”
* “It’s okay that we want different things. I’m not here to convince or compete—I’m here to honor what’s true for me.”
* “I’m learning to trust that someone wanting more than I can give doesn’t mean I’m not enough.”
* “I’m stepping back not because I don’t care, but because I do—and I need space to recalibrate.”
These aren’t scripts, just starting points. The most powerful boundary phrases come from your own voice, shaped by your values and emotional clarity.
If you’d like, maybe I can help you shape one that feels more personal—something you could use in conversation, writing, or even just as a grounding mantra when doubt creeps in.
You’re already navigating this with a lot of emotional intelligence. The boundary work is just the next layer of self-loyalty.
Warmly, Anita
August 20, 2025 at 1:05 am #448789Chau
ParticipantDear Anita
Thank you.
I am in quite a calm state. Yes occasionally i get swayed, but I think in general I see her too clearly, and she demonstrated too clearly, that she has taken my time and care for granted. I also did a bit of breathwork and meditation, to let my emotions flow. I do feel better afterwards, feeling a clearer state of mind. I sleep well also, so another indication that I am in a balanced state/ reaching a balanced state.Thanks for the examples, The one that resonated with me most, is * “I’m learning to trust that someone wanting more than I can give doesn’t mean I’m not enough.”. I struggled with confidence issues when i was younger, I tend to blame myself or find faults in myself when things go wrong. This time is of no difference, there were moments that i thought: If i worked even harder/ accumulated more wealth, this wouldn’t happen.
But this does not even align with my values: I don’t think a loving, caring relationship, should be based primarily on wealth. We need the basics, but Money shouldn’t go first.
i self-doubt still, because of how she views relationship.I think this also ties with how i view disconnection, I am still having a tendency not to break away from connection, even though this may not be the right one for me. I would still want to connect with her at time, to savor the nice moments, and to forget the reality.
I think I am strong at this moment so it’s alright. But it is these underlying beliefs or feeling, that make me have this undercurrent, a gut feeling that i might easily fall back if she ever reaches out again.
Thanks again.
ChauAugust 20, 2025 at 12:18 pm #448802anita
ParticipantI will read and reply tonight, Clara (it’s early afternoon here). Take care!
Anita
August 20, 2025 at 7:20 pm #448821anita
ParticipantDear Clara (or would you prefer Chau?):
Your clarity is palpable, and so is your strength. The way you’re able to name the undercurrents—those quiet, persistent beliefs that tug at you—is a sign of deep emotional awareness. You’re not bypassing the complexity; you’re sitting with it, breathing through it, and letting it inform rather than control you. That’s powerful.
I’m really moved by your reflection on the quote: “I’m learning to trust that someone wanting more than I can give doesn’t mean I’m not enough.” You’ve internalized it in such a grounded way, especially in how you challenged the impulse to equate love with wealth or performance. That moment of “this doesn’t even align with my values” is the voice of your inner compass reasserting itself, even in the face of old conditioning.
Your insight about disconnection is so honest. The longing to revisit the nice moments—to soften the edges of reality—is deeply human. But the fact that you can hold that longing while still recognizing the mismatch speaks volumes. You’re not pretending the connection was all bad, nor are you letting the good moments erase the harm. That’s emotional integrity.
And yes, that gut feeling—that if she reached out, you might be pulled back in—isn’t weakness. It’s the echo of a bond that once felt meaningful. But you’re not in denial about it. You’re naming it, watching it, and preparing yourself. That’s how you stay free.
If it helps, you might try a mantra like: “I honor the tenderness without surrendering my truth.” or “I can remember the sweetness without forgetting the cost.”
With care, Anita
August 21, 2025 at 6:56 pm #448859Chau
ParticipantHi Anita
Chau is good also!
I think I have been training myself to be very aware of my emotions, and there were angels around me who do the same(you too)
I keep re-reading our last conversation which happened on Monday.From how she said she wished for a better life and asked me to stayed friends with her instead, to her texting me again and again after our conversation, to her urging me to go on a trip with me to which i responded ok(i even offered to pay for the fee to change the ticket coz she kept talking about the lost of money for doing so. so that she doesn’t need to worry about that), to me applying leave and making all the arrangements, and within an hour she told me she was talking to her ‘friend’ and would go on to the trip again, and me saying ‘what are you treating me as’; ‘my family and job are important to me but i am willing to push them away last minutes because you need someone to be by your side’; ‘i feel so stupid’; “i am sorry that you made this choice’; ‘ you are trapped in your obsessions in her, the sunk cost, anger, or whatever’ “i cared for you a lot but this is how you made me cry like shxx in the office again’
these are the things that i texted her in my messages and when i re-read them, i feel emotional still. She kept saying sorry, but i doubt if she understands the weight of it: pushed me away when she didn’t need me, and came back to me when she needed someone (to pay the bill also, my friend said), and pushed me away once again when she could secure someone else instead.
I am not as angry as i was on Monday, as you said i still have this tenderness towards her, which i also doubt if she understands. I am someone who would stand by her side at times of her distress or when things go wrong, but she opt for someone who puts her in distress instead.
I think my friend is right, i am paying for her, emotionally and financially if i do go on the trip with her.
I like your mantra on tenderness, i would add a bit as well ” I honor the tenderness without surrendering my truth and boundaries”
Have a good night!Chau
August 21, 2025 at 7:36 pm #448861anita
ParticipantChau- I’ll read and reply Fri or Sat morning (it’s Thurs evening here). Tace care!
Anita
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