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  • #39031
    Di
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    Yes, we are mirrors of each other. We’ve been married for only 3 years, and a have faced a few tough life bumps.
    This past year, I’ve been working very hard with self awareness, and feel completely different about my outlook on life.

    I’ve apologized to him for things I have done in the past, I have told him over and over that I accept him the way he is, and I think carefully about my actions to show it as well.

    I used to talk to him about these things, ( I was excited and wanted to share) but over time, he has negative comments about it. Calls me Buddha at times, not as a compliment.

    It’s becoming more and more clear that he is firmly rooted in beliefs and habits that are the opposite of self awareness. Blame, anger, frustration, lead to the same fights over and over. This is affecting his whole life, not just our marriage. He has quit his job 3 times in the past 3 years, due to personal conflicts.

    Any suggestions on how to introduce your spouse to self awareness? Right now, he is firmly in the stance of “don’t make me change” attitude. Even with a counsellor.

    Thanks

    #39032
    Matt
    Participant

    Di,

    Congratulations on turning inward and working on understanding who you are and what you’re doing here! It is very noble to wish to share awareness with your loved one. Cultivating awareness is something that happens slowly over time. As you learn about yourself and grow, it is no wonder you want to share the beauty you see with him. Unfortunately, sometimes heads can be so full of “stuff” that additional information only makes it more difficult rather than easier. From the way your husband responds to you, it seems like he doesn’t have the space for the philosophy/ideas you’re presenting.

    Instead of teaching him awareness, you can use yours to help him open up the space. Consider that his anger, for instance, is very painful for him… and fills his head with a mishmash of thoughts that cycle around. When you say it leads to arguments means that you are sinking toward him instead of helping! What we can do instead is intentionally give to him in the face of his suffering. Generosity is the root of buoyant joyfulness, so in giving to him, you also nourish the roots of Di’s tender awareness.

    The best way I have found to help open the space is by addressing the feelings he is having. For instance, if he is complaining about his angry boss, you could say “you sound angry, and I know how painful that is, how can I help?” Don’t join him or resist him, such as saying “yeah, that guy is a jerk” or “you’re projecting anger onto your boss, its actually your issue”.

    It reminds me of a funny thing my teacher told me, where new Buddhists “beat people up with the dharma”. Instead of letting others suffering pass through us, it distresses us and we defend against their suffering by trying to annihilate it. If you’ve been studying Buddhism, perhaps you’ve encountered the three marks of existence? Anatta, annica and dukkha? Applied to your husbands suffering, his painful emotions have no center to them, arise and fade with time and space, and forgetting that leads to your own suffering. Said differently, he doesn’t need you to teach him how to be a more mindful person, he needs your arms around him to help produce the space that allows the emotions to settle on their own.

    Because you turn toward him as a partner and cheerleader for happiness, when and if he becomes curious about what you have that allows you to remain happy, he’ll already know that what you do, you do out of love and support for him. If forced, it usually comes across as you wanting to change him, and none of us like that. We want help, but as adults, have a lot of our self esteem wrapped up in our autonomy.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #39062
    Jeff
    Participant

    Like all new ideas or practices, the first thing that needs to happen is that HE wants to learn about self awareness. It’s like trying to diet- unless you really want to do it, you aren’t going to succeed. It may be a situation of leading by example. Keep focused on your own awareness and successes. Let him see there may be another way to deal with his anger and other issues. He’ll need to come to the mountain by himself, but it doesn’t mean you can’t show him what the path is like.

    #39189
    Donna
    Participant

    I totally agree with the other posters. As much as you want him to join you in your journey of self-discover and self-awareness, remember that it is YOUR journey. He is on his own path going at his own pace. We cannot force a bud to become a flower overnight. It will come out in its own time. Have patience. As already mentioned, just seeing you and being around you, he is likely to become more self-aware. When you turn on a light in a room, it helps everyone see.

    I also agree that you should not engage in his dramas. This will only allow him to continue to project his rejected feelings onto you. He has to confront HIMSELF. Stop trying to change him and create strong boundaries for yourself so you don’t lose yourself. In time, he will begin to see that he cannot deal with you in ways that may have worked in the past. He will NEED to change in order to keep up with the evolving relationship. Right now, focus on yourself and your needs and don’t be afraid to voice your true feelings with conviction and compassion. It may take a long time before the two of you are in sync again and unfortunately it is possible that your boats go in separate directions. Keep calm through these stormy waters. Keep swimming and stay true to yourself. You may find that on the other side, you and your husband become closer than before. You won’t know until you get there.

    I am going through something very similar with my husband. Hang in there! Also I highly recommend the book, ‘Passionate Marriage’ by David Schnarch. It really helped me see relationships and intimacy in a new way. Good luck!

    #39576
    Di
    Participant

    YOur replies are much appreciated, sorry for such a late response “)

    Engaging in his dramas… this is a hard thing for me. For a long time, we used to disagree about the same few things on a regular basis. He used to say… “don’t ask me to change”. And I am learning how to let others live their own lives.

    In the past two months, I have steadily acted as such. I no longer ask him to change. I accept him the way he is.
    The consequences to that.. are quite serious. I feel most comfortable with sticking to the “truth” of all situations. Simply accepting the way things are, and then looking to myself for the answer on how I should respond to that. As that’s all I can do, or control.

    In short, without a lot of details, that has accumulated this week into accepting that we see things differently, and I keep playing over a quote in my head…
    “They are on their own journey in life, and I send them blessings”.

    I am struggling with the concept of…. boundaries. I had poor boundaries, and I am learning how to use them. This is a huge change for me.
    But I cannot always align that with simply accepting people the way they are.

    Unfortunately, this can turn even a simple conversation sideways. I may voice “I’m not okay with that” and he is tempted into sucking me into a 15 minute conversation of why he’s right and I’m wrong. Then I clue in…. and again “I’m not okay with that” as it’s my feelings, and cannot be judged right or wrong.

    I’m not voicing a boundary to force change, or threat. I am stating a truth, and I let go of the outcome. I am becoming quite solid in my sense of self worth. It is mine, and no one can take that away from me. I have a purpose in life, and know what kind of person I want to be.

    When does one use boundaries, and when does one simply “send them your blessings and let them be on their own journey”?

    #39585
    Matt
    Participant

    Di,

    Could you be more specific on what conditions surround your saying “I’m not ok with that.”? Are you being asked to do something such as spend money or go do something? Is it in response to the way he is seeing things? Boundaries are fairly specific to what is being asked of you or what is around you, so it would help aim a pertinent response.

    In regards to getting sucked into 15 minutes of this and that, consider that often we unintentionally feed cycles. If you are insisting on “truth” what you’re really doing is clinging to your side of things… seeing your view as True and his as False. This is not what is real. What is True is that you have views and he has views, and the coming together of those views is True, but the content of those views are both only subjectivity true. Said differently, what you’re seeing is not True, its just what you’re seeing. If what you were seeing was ultimate truth, the end all be all of deep seeing and clear comprehension, there would be no struggle, no problem, no separation between you and him…just breathing in compassion and breathing out kindness.

    That being said, as we nourish the roots of our self awareness we become more confident in the direction we’re walking. That is why it would be helpful to know more specifics surrounding your “not ok with that” question! Also, keep it up! It seems like you’re heading in a great direction with your development, and with a few tweaks here and there peace of mind is right around the corner! 🙂

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #39598
    Di
    Participant

    Thanks, Matt. I am glad to have found this site!

    I’m not okay with some behaviors related to drinking. He has a past history of drinking too much, and it resulted in a lot of relationship issues. Through Al-Anon, I gave up responsibility \ enabling the behavior. He did quit completely for 5 months. In the meantime, I have been working on myself.

    He’s had a few relapses recently with drinking. “I’m not okay” with lying \ omission of information. Specifically, he may disappear for 5 hours, not tell me where he is, neglect his responsbilities at home (the dogs) and he gets quite angry if I text or call. He just wants to be left alone. Splitting the drinking from a marriage…. I have no control over that, but I will not enable him in any way. From a marriage perspective, it’s not “okay” to make a person worry, not respond to calls, and lie about where one is going.

    Personal space is acceptable to me. It’s needed. The way it is done is not. I am accepting of someone saying “going out with my friends for the evening”. I am not accepting of someone who makes plans, and hides it. It does not breed trust.

    Lying… to me this is a form of control. Trying to manipulate what I think by limiting the information I have.

    I made a statement that I felt it was disrepectful. He argued that my feeling that way was wrong. I’m not okay with that either. He may argue reasons or past instances that make it justifiable. (passive aggressive, to a point). Excuses and justifications. There is never an apology. Just blame. (lack of self awareness).

    Lately, it has become obvious that he has a lot of frustration and anger because he cannot make me behave a certain way. He admits to being raised with “wish it away” mentality. He has no practice with being accountable for his actions. I know how bad this sounds… but this is how he tells me he thinks.
    -don’t ask him to change
    -he wants complete freedom to do whatever he wants
    -instead of bringing up issues, I should just be nice and pleasant (he gets upset, and tells me to just be happy and let it go)
    -think nice thoughts, be happy, and the problems will go away
    -he gets angry when I refuse to accept responsibility for his actions
    -he gets angry when I verbalize a boundary on respect, honesty (argues right and wrong on the boundary)

    Because he does not have a good sense of “what he stands for”, he is overall anxious, frustrated, and “lost”. His goals change from one material purchase to another, and his overall unhappiness is blamed elsewhere. Meaning he is firmly in a position of ….. if he could only make people behave a certain way, he would be happy. This also applies to his job, and his family.

    yes, this is the way I see it. Don Miguel Ruiz’s books…. have been very helpful in learning about point of view and opinion. I am practicing simply observing. I clarify this with conversations. Is this really what i am seeing? I ask questions. What is your ideal of happiness and peace? What is your goal in life? What do you expect from a marriage?

    He has no answers. Just be happy today and no further expectations.
    It is very difficult for me to have a relationship under those guidelines.
    I am determined to follow my path, and thus I am enforcing boundaries when actions or behaviors do not align with that.

    #39602
    Matt
    Participant

    Di,

    Whew! Great post, you really laid it out there! I can sympathize with the difficulty you’re going through, and respect the feelings that arise when we are in a turbulent intimacy. I think its great that you’ve been to Al-anon, and I feel that much of your piece of mind will come as you continue your recovery from codependency. Have you read any of Pia Melody’s work? Its very compatible with the four agreements, and is well targeted to the types of maladaptive patterns you seem to be stuck in.

    To begin to untangle the knot of suffering you’re enduring, it is important to get a better understanding of how to stop making his actions all about you. For example, you say lying is a form of mind control, and perhaps if you look at it differently you can break free from such a painful thought (and apply it to other instances of the same pattern).

    Consider that there are two sides during the event. On your side, you honor a feeling of knowing, of honesty, of intimacy and truth. On his side, he honors a sense of peacefulness, non-confrontation, and following his desires. When he decides that his actions are not acceptable to you, he invents or ignores. On your side, when he lies, you make it about you, as though he “should” be honest to you and therefore is dishonoring and controlling you. This leads your mind to be very aggressive and attempts to control him. Instead of “wow, his uncomfortable feelings make him act unskillfully, that is sad and painful for him” you make it about you. “He is making me feel worried and deceived which he should not do.” What you’re doing with this is handing over the keys to your peace of mind. Said differently, when we depend on others to act the right way in order for us to feel happy, we lose all of our power to become happy.

    Yes, you say, but marriage means certain things must be. This is not true. Marriage means different things to different people, and it seems there is a bit of a difference between you and him in this regard. It is true that both of your behaviors and coping mechanisms are harmful to the intimacy. He justifies, deceives, argues and follows his addictions (suppression patterns). You judge, decide right from wrong, declare yourself the truth keeper and make his actions about you (aggression patterns).

    He says to you that he deserves the right to do whatever he wants. I wholeheartedly agree. His actions have real consequences, such as eroding the intimacy… but that doesn’t mean he should be prevented from doing that. Said differently, if he is going to drink, it is a wasted effort to try to prevent him. If he is going to lie, it is wasted effort to try to stop him. You can invite him to examine how certain actions lead toward deeper intimacy and certain actions lead to erosion of intimacy, but you have no right or ability to make him choose.

    Another difficulty I read in your words is the old codependent motto “He makes me feel…” which is false. The recovery from this stuck pattern of destructive thinking is “when he does this, I feel this.” The important thing is to recover your sovereignty… because others do not make us feel anything. They act, we interpret, and our interpretations determine the feelings. If we forget or ignore the interpretation portion, there is nothing we can do but control their actions to prevent our painful feelings. If we accept that the interpretation is the genesis of the feeling, then we can do something, because all of that is on our side, in our mind and body.

    All that being said, it sounds like the two of you aren’t a great fit at the moment. You can’t make him change, but you can change your circumstances. I’m not saying g that the relationship is doomed, but it does sound like you’re trying to cram a square peg into a round hole. And, you say that you’re unwilling to change because you’re seeing the truth, and he is unwilling to change. So… what to do? Compromise is always necessary in intimacy, and if neither of you can or are willing, its just a matter of time before on of you gets fed up with pushing.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #39659
    Di
    Participant

    Thanks, Matt.
    I am not yet able to say I am overcoming the co-dependency part. And boundaries are a newer evolution, for me.

    He does say I make things about me, and I can see that if you are sensing that, I need to work on that more.

    We have been currently discussing separation and divorce, financially he wants to try and work things out. As the “judge” in this side of things, I have great reluctance to make a decision. Rather, I want time to sort my own self out.

    What you have shared with me is probably the most honest assesement of where I am struggling, as a co-dependent person.

    Yes, I can change my circumstances. To be honest, part of me feels like I am supposed to “learn” from this. I have a disquieting sense of focus at times. It isn’t even really deciding whether to leave or stay. It is a sense that this is supposed to teach me. A sense that leaving is quitting, and not moving forward with becoming a more balanced person.

    A further view of this would be to accept all of what he is doing. Yes, I can agree that I can work on that. My beliefs in life are still whispering in my head. What a marriage should be. What a husband should be. And it’s all my opinion. Nothing more.

    I am more confident that my happiness does not depend on another person. I am able to feel peace, grattitude. I no longer “need” external gratification.The marriage aspect feels like a thing \ object that needs these things. Again, this would be my judgement \ opinion.

    Thank you for helping me to see this 🙂

    Lately, I have an intuition that as part of being the person I want to be, that includes being myself. Being able to freely give affection, love. Being intimate with someone at a level where trust is natural, I can express myself and be accepted the way I am. Is this what I should be focusing on??

    #39663
    Matt
    Participant

    Di,

    Excellent! Perhaps you noticed, but you shifted from “him” focused as the source of your issues to “Di” focused. Bravo! That’s where all the magic happens. To answer your question “is this what I should be focused on?” I say in general, we try to work on our side. If you reread the last two messages you wrote, the second is really the area that will help you. As I read the message, a few things came to heart.

    Should. What a tricky word! When we consider ideas such as “husband” and “marriage” and “lessons in this moment”, the word “should” doesn’t fit well. There is no solid “should” that is at the heart of any of those… each of those is much more subjective than that. For instance, a marriage means different things to different people, and there is nothing specific that a marriage should be. Rather, there is what you would like it to be, what you expect it to be, and what it is. Those are enough!

    When we apply “should” to it, what we’re really saying is either 1. We’re stuck in our brain thinking there is only one way, which does not take other peoples views and opinions into account. Or 2. We feel insecure that our desires are not important, so we reach for an external source to validate our desire instead of saying “I would like it that way.”

    For instance, you want to have a marriage that is different than what you have now, and that is enough! Its enough to say “Di wants a marriage based on trust.” and put away “Marriage should be based on trust.” One is full of Di-empowement, Di-self knowing, Di-self confidence, and one is full of judgement and appealing to an external authority. Can you see the difference?

    The same idea applies to “need” and “supposed to”. There is a quote I’ve seen from the Buddha that we become what we think. This seems to me to be part of what is generating your difficulty. As you think and say “should”, “need” and “supposed to” its like creating a stone statue of expectation that you then bump up against and feel pain. For instance if marriage should be honest, when you meet up against a moment where honesty is not present, your mind recoils. “This is not marriage! This is dishonesty!” This is very painful and seems unworkable… solid, unchanging.

    Instead, when we think marriage “could” be honest, we create a sense of deep seeing into the potential life we could be living. If it could be such a way, but it isn’t, what can be done to make it that way? It softens judgement into preference, which is where we can discover forgiveness and compromise. If we say “the counter could be clear” for instance, we are envisioning a counter without all the trinkets and dodads and mail and loose change… and are setting up the conditions to clear it. If we say “the counter should be clear” then each trinket and doodad is a painful reminder that something is wrong. It may sound like a small difference, but it is a very important one!

    What we begin to see is that different people have different ideas on what to clean up and what isn’t important to clean up. For instance, your husband likes to keep the “happy thoughts” counter clean and is not worried about the “honesty” counter. You are opposite. You don’t mind being uncomfortable (“happy thoughts” counter cluttered) if it means keeping the honesty counter clean. We all have different areas we feel are important, and keeping intimacy alive means both people are happy with what areas are clean.

    This is where boundaries are very important. For instance, if you say “you lied, which made me angry, and so you have to stop doing that.” it is lashing out with your desire and creating a rigid and fragile boundary that he can break by saying “your problem.” If you say “when you are dishonest, I feel upset because honesty is something I need for trust, and trust is something that I want to have in my relationship.” Then it is not only softer because it is stating your preference, but it is also something he cannot break… he can’t say its “your problem” only “your desire”. If he honors the desires important to you, the two of you will grow closer. If he does not, you won’t. See how simple it becomes?

    Pia Melody’s book on codependency is really something I recommend. It has very practical advice on what to do to create and maintain healthy boundaries, and how to keep a lookout for triggers that send a mind into codependent patterns.

    Finally, what do you do to self-nurture? Do you meditate? Take baths alone with bubbles and candles? Do you go on walks alone? Many times the “hard knots of should and need” very naturally disappear when we take time to care for ourselves. Make sure you are doing things just for you, that you want, that make you feel happy and good, that bring out the playful and joyful girl-Di. She is still in there, and will help tremendously in keeping your mind and heart light.

    Keep up the great work, I’m really excited and impressed with the shifting of language and perspective as we’ve been talking. It feels like you’re ripe to let go and move on, either from him or from your suffering… either way its a good move. You’ve been beaten up by your brain for far too long in my opinion. This world can be a soft and loving place, full of tender moments and gentle sighs… its just something we have to work on from our side, and we let the outside catch up or fall away (such as husband). Namaste!

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #39677
    Di
    Participant

    judgement into preference – this speaks very strongly to me. This is the answer I was looking for, to balance boundaries with acceptance. I can’t thank you enough! Your advice says it so simply and clearly.

    To be more personal — I’ve been a juvenile diabetic for 20 years. My 22 yr old son (previous relationship) was dx in Dec 2012, spent xmas in the hospital. It was a catalyst of sorts for me. I was devastated, but realised I needed to not compare my “hard life” and project that onto him. My H coped by drinking, my son lives alone and I stayed with him for the most part of about 3 months. Helping him adapt, learn, I share this because the word ‘should’ is a rule in my head to stay alive, and healthy. Improved insulin now allow for the concept “eat it and treat it” and I can eat whatever I want, and cover it off with an appropriate amount of insulin. My son gets to use could instead of should from day one.
    It’s always a matter of choice. We can eat cake for lunch, now. 10 years ago the insulin available didn’t allow for that. Or we ‘should’ eat healthy balanced meals to ensure a long and healthy life. But yes, I can see where I can separate the two concepts. Medical and relationships \ life. That does make it seem so very simple!

    I do have an independent streak, I am a strong person. I was hurt at first that my husband was not helpful during my son’s transition to life as a juvie diabetic, but I soon turned that into realising that I did manage to pull it off, by myself. I was proud of it, in the end. Just because I am a juvie d… does not mean I cannot do things in life. It sometimes takes some pre-planning and finding the solution, but it’s possible. I’ve scrambled 11 mountain peaks, I mountain bike, hike, and I’m not worried about being alone. I walk my dogs twice a day, take 4 hours on Sunday mornings to be alone ( I read, learning to meditate, usually end with a long bath).

    The Pi Melodie book will be my goal this afternoon. I would be grateful to continue to chat with you over the next few weeks.

    I have been fascinated, excited, and determined by the concept of self awareness and enlightenment. I am open to moving forward with what I need to do, yes you are right when you say I have beaten up my brain for a long time. I neglected myself, and my self esteem for a long time. I am finding that again for myself, and it’s a wonderous thing to enjoy every day. I have survived. I want to thrive.
    Peace
    Di

    #39681
    Matt
    Participant

    Di,

    Its very reasonable that the rigid rules surrounding your life with type 1 diabetes would leak out into other aspects of your perceptions, including very diligent rules on what you’re willing to take in (mentally or physically).

    I’m glad to hear you’re interested in self awareness and enlightenment. Consider that enlightenment isn’t like a mountain to climb, its more like a surrendering acceptance to let things be what they really are. If you’re book shopping, consider Mindfulness in Plain English by Henepola Gunaratana. Its pretty awesome, and my guess is it would strike you well!

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #39727
    Di
    Participant

    PIa Mellody’s book, the Intimacy Factor, has been an extraordinary read. Thank you for the recommendation, the guideline and specific methods are what fits with my logical aspect to things.:) The practice of only taking in as truth and discarding the rest seemed to be one of the solutions I was looking for. Rather than wanting the other person to speak the truth (which is really my truth), I decide to let the untrue things go. A very simple way to stay focused on what is important, and give the other person their freedom to have their own truths in life.

    I understand the concept of compromise a little better now. I am \ have been rigid with my beliefs. I have been smashing the square peg into the round hole. It’s okay to accept that my chosen partner has differing views on marriage, substance abuse, and awareness. I also now believe I have been forcing a relationship with a person who likely isn’t capable of the kind of relationship I am striving for (at least not today) . I mean myself. I seem to make strides, gain some understanding, but still fall into old patterns and habits within the marriage. That’s okay too. It just is what it is. Not as a judgement, but as a reality, truth, from my point of view. I can be the example, or part of the problem. I can choose. It’s not just for this relationship, it is the way of being that I want to follow.

    I am more content…. able to just work on me further. I have read that one needs a “safe” person, one that will keep you on your goal, let you know when you are slipping, and guide you back. That is something I have been missing. I have also read that is impossible to maintain a relationship with a partner who is not aware, or an active substance abuser. The consequences of that are becoming more clear to me. I am choosing to put myself in a position that is causing me to struggle. It’s okay to give myself permission to take an easier road, if the end goal is further awareness. 🙂

    #39847
    Donna
    Participant

    Di, I can totally relate to what you are going through–learning to set boundaries, finding balance, making hard choices. I think Matt has given great advice!

    I don’t know if you are experiencing this, but my biggest challenge right now is staying on track–I keep flipping back and forth. Some days I feel that everything is fine and it’s just a tough growing part of our relationship. I feel that we are good together and we will get through it together. I mean, obviously I chose him for a reason. Other days, I find myself having so many doubts and wondering if I am just wasting my time. I feel like I am still waiting for him to change. If he would just do A, B, C and D, I would be happier. My husband is really a sweet guy and I wonder if am just fantasizing about a better perfect partner that doesn’t exist.

    Maybe this is all just my mid-life crisis and my head will clear in a year or so and I will know exactly what to do. All I know is that I have to keep being aware and keep being true to myself. I do feel that I am on the right path and I now feel much more conscious about my choices.

    good luck!

    #39858
    Matt
    Participant

    Donna,

    Consider that wishing others to change is like flushing our happiness away, because we feel that the source of our pain is the other. Perhaps instead, you could see that the goddess inside you inspires the god in him. Said differently, if we give happiness instead of expect it, we help nourish those around us in a loving direction (which is all you really want anyway, right?)

    With warmth,
    Matt

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