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February 25, 2025 at 12:32 pm #443244
Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
That is good advice. As a ‘highly sensitive person” I tend to take on the ‘energy of the room’ which over the last few months have been a overwhelming general anxiety and hopelessness – helplessness. Sometimes its difficult to know what is mine and what isn’t.Its been difficult witnessing, even from those even within my own family a crude celebration of… unkindness. Even as I know such measurements creates its own conflict and suffering. A wish that life as it is be other then it is. What is it Kierkegaard said “The most painful state of being is remembering the future, particularly the one you’ll never have.”
February 25, 2025 at 12:39 pm #443245anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
I want to reply further when I am more focused Wed morning.
anita
February 26, 2025 at 1:56 pm #443269anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Yesterday, I considered discussing politics with you, but I decided against it. Even if you’re interested (and I should ask you first), it’s probably not the best idea given that this is a public forum.
It’s understandable to feel overwhelmed by anxiety and hopelessness, especially when it is difficult to distinguish between your own feelings and those you absorb from others. This heightened sensitivity can be, in different contexts, a gift or a curse.
Witnessing unkindness, particularly from those close to us, can be deeply disheartening. It’s important to remember that while we can’t control others’ actions, we can control our responses and strive to create a more compassionate and empathetic environment in our own lives.
Kierkegaard’s quote resonates with the idea of longing for a future that feels out of reach. It’s a powerful reminder of the pain that can come from unmet expectations and dreams.
Langston Hughes: “What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore—And then run?”
Oscar Wilde: “The tragedy of old age is not that one is old, but that one is young.”
F. Scott Fitzgerald: “So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”
A little poem for you, Peter:
Regret may linger, shadows of past,
But strength lies within, steadfast and vast.
For every setback, a chance to rise,
A beacon of hope, in tearful eyes.The whispers of dreams, they never cease,
In moments of quiet, find your peace.
Though paths may twist, and storms may rage,
Your story unfolds, on life’s grand stage.Each step a story newly told,
In dreams unmet, a spirit bold.anita
February 26, 2025 at 2:26 pm #443271Alessa
ParticipantHi Peter
Thank you for sharing your kind thoughts! ❤️
What is interesting is that I don’t dwell on these things anymore. I have accepted the situation and no longer fight against it. I realise that I don’t matter so much anymore. Raising my son well is the most important thing to me now.
It often strikes me that after a certain amount of time, something that I used to worry about no longer matters.
I’m sorry to hear that you’re stressed by the news. I get stressed by it too. I’m on a news hiatus and somehow I still manage to learn about it from others without even trying to.
February 27, 2025 at 9:36 am #443283Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
When it comes to politics, I try to apply the serenity prayer and for the things that are mine to address the idea of contemplation & action. That action arises from and return to a place of compassion.
The challenge is the witnessing the noble truth that we create suffering for ourselves and others. Buddhism and most wisdom traditions address paths towards the cessation of suffering at an individual level with perhaps the possibility that as below so above. That the individual “awakening” might then influence the whole. I know that as a possibility but also a trap that if it becomes an intention or desire itself will create suffering. That I am disappointed that possibility doesn’t manifest as I would like showing its a trap I still fall into.
I feel that the challenge of witnessing isn’t something to fix, its something that is…
In other words, I don’t feel ‘bad’ about feeling ‘bad’ about current happenings. A step forward as that has been an old trap I often fell into – Feeling bad about feeling bad about feeling bad….I liked your poem
February 27, 2025 at 11:34 am #443288anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Compassionate action involves taking actions driven by empathy, kindness, and genuine concern for the well-being of others. It means recognizing the suffering of others and responding in ways that aim to alleviate that suffering, promote well-being, and foster a sense of connection and support.
“That the individual ‘awakening’ might then influence the whole. I know that as a possibility but also a trap that if it becomes an intention or desire itself will create suffering,”- This highlights the delicate balance between accepting reality as it is and hoping for a better reality. It’s about avoiding the pitfalls of despair on one hand and denial on the other.
“I don’t feel ‘bad’ about feeling ‘bad’ about current happenings. A step forward as that has been an old trap I often fell into – Feeling bad about feeling bad about feeling bad…”-
Primary Emotion (feeling bad): The initial, immediate emotional response to a situation or event. This could include sadness, frustration, anger, or any other negative emotion.
Secondary Emotion (feeling bad about feeling bad): For example, feeling guilty about feeling angry or feeling embarrassed about feeling sad. The secondary emotion adds another layer of distress on top of the original, primary negative feeling.
Tertiary Emotion (feeling bad about feeling bad about feeling bad): Experiencing yet another, third layer of emotional response. For instance, feeling angry with oneself for feeling guilty about feeling angry. This creates a cycle of compounded negative emotions, making it harder to cope with the original issue. Overthinking amplifies this process, giving us more opportunities to judge ourselves and add layers of negative emotions.
The significant step forward you describe is your ability to break this cycle of compounded negative emotions. By accepting your initial, primary negative emotions without judging yourself for feeling them, you prevent the addition of further layers of distress. This acceptance builds resilience.
Thank you for liking my poem!
anita
February 28, 2025 at 7:18 am #443305anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
I want to share something with you this Friday morning that’s closely related to the topic of “Feeling bad about feeling bad about feeling bad,” specifically the progression from Primary Emotion to Secondary Emotion to Tertiary Emotion:
Last night, I became emotional and shared with someone about my childhood experience with my mother—a memory I’ve mentioned in the forums several times. In this memory, two adult women were holding her back as she struggled to break free, intending to murder me (her word, “murder”). I expressed anger, a primary emotion, along with sadness for the girl I was and fear of my mother once the two adults left, leaving me alone with the mother-monster. It was a smooth expression of emotions and thoughts.
This morning, I woke up and remembered last night. Something strange hit me: I didn’t feel embarrassment or shame (secondary emotions), nor did I feel self-doubt, like I was making it up or exaggerating, nor did I feel guilt for portraying my mother negatively (tertiary emotions).
However, as I typed the word “monster” above, I did feel guilt for referring to her as a monster, thinking of times she wasn’t one. I erased the word, then thought to myself that in that specific memory, she really was a monster, so I retyped the word.
I can now see how damaging secondary and tertiary emotions are when it comes to processing and healing from traumatic past experiences. Without these extra emotions, the primary emotion of anger regarding the memory stands alone—seen, recognized, felt, valid, uninterrupted, and unmasked by the extra emotions.
My anger finally stands on its own: I feel angry. I am no longer Feeling-confused-about-feeling-guilty-about-feeling-angry. The memory of the event is different now than it has been for half a century. It is no longer shrouded in a fog of emotions that don’t belong with the memory. Now, only the emotions that truly belong are present: fear, anger, shock, hurt, and empathy for the little girl that I was.
This development wouldn’t have happened without your words yesterday, “Feeling bad about feeling bad about feeling bad.” Thank you, Peter.
anita
February 28, 2025 at 9:57 am #443307Peter
ParticipantHi Anita
Thank you for sharing that. It was a great example and break down of what I think of as the trap of feeling bad about feeling bad… A kind of infinite loop divided by 0.
You have a gift for bringing such notions down to earth. “I can now see how damaging secondary and tertiary emotions are when it comes to processing and healing from traumatic past experiences”
I suspect that when the Buddha speaks of Maya this trap is one of the ways in which we create it. Seems to be my go-to anyway.
February 28, 2025 at 10:16 am #443308anita
ParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your kind words. I’m glad my example resonated with you and helped illustrate the concept. The “infinite loop divided by 0” is such an apt metaphor for the trap we fall into with compounded negative emotions.
Your reference to Buddha’s concept of Maya is deeply insightful. It does seem like one of the ways we create our own illusions and suffering. Recognizing these patterns is the first step toward breaking free from them.
I appreciate your reflections and the wisdom you bring to our conversations.
anita
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