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  • #190999
    Corticality
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    Hey. It’s the first time I went to this forum. I didn’t find the right topic, so created one on my own. Sorry if that’s annoying. Just want to share my story because I’m emotionally lost. My heart is like the drums of Mordor. Please bear with me for a few paragraphs. Just before Christmas my girlfriend left me. After almost eight years of being together. She was my first serious girlfriend, we became adults together. I loved her with all my heart, we had fantastic moments, first times that I cherished a lot. She’s the closest person to me that I ever had. Was my lover, best friend and partner since high school. Of course through the years we had some difficult patches, occasional but short break ups. We were learning how to solve the problems between us the hard way. At first I used to initiate these pauses in our relationship. Somehow it felt like I wanted some distance because I was not used to spend so much time together with other person. And yet I was always determined to fix damaged things and not to leave them behind or dump them. I was always ready to talk it out and change for the better. Except that I found it extremely hard to change. I guess we went through a lot of struggle to find time to be together, I went to med school and spending my evenings studying or working night shifts in my uni hospital. I seem to become a bit detached and emotionally distant with higher workload or in stressful situations and that made her feel insecure.

    1.5 years ago she left me because I didn’t spend enough time with her and didn’t want to move in her apartment yet. She felt neglected due to my emotional distance. It was the end of the world to me, I couldn’t eat, I couldn’t sleep, couldn’t think about anything else but her. I felt guilty for not listening to her needs, although I truly didn’t understand those needs. But I felt sure of my feelings for her, made a promise to myself that I will marry her if I will get her back. And I tried. The romantic things that movies taught me were applied to real life. I’m a sucker for romance and silly ways to show love. And I managed to get another chance. I was so sure of myself that I wouldn’t screw this one up. But with time all this “life” thing just got more complicated.

    In the end of my final years in university it became clear that the only way to fulfill my dream of becoming a surgeon is to go abroad (the medical system is full of nepotism and utter shit here). For six years minimum. I was trying to convince her to go with me, to start a family together from a scratch. To create our own traditions and so on. Her parents were very not supportive of this possibility and tried to talk her out of this. Her father is the one who makes all the decisions in her family and both my ex and her brother are working in his business. From time to time during gatherings of her family side I felt that her father isn’t even interested in a possibility for her to leave with me. So I started to avoid visiting them. This is the main reason why I didn’t want to move into my girlfriend’s apartment. Her parent bought it for her. And it’s located in the same house as her parents live in. I told her that I don’t want to live like some kind of a gigolo (I didn’t have any income, since I was still studying and didn’t have a job) in her parents’ apartment. I still feel stupid and egoistic because of this decision. I just wanted to make things between us”righteous”.  Since she has a very strong bond with her parents and all the family, I failed to communicate my frustration to her. I was scared that she would leave me instantly if I would ask her plainly: “Are you going with me or not?” so I tried to talk her into leaving with me step by step. I tried spending as much time as possible with her, but lately our relationship became somewhat colder. I didn’t notice it and thought that it may pass in a while. She stopped learning the language, started questioning my choice of career so my plans of proposing to her were paused. Two emotionally colder months later she bought a puppy. I became nervous since I wasn’t sure if dogs would be allowed in the apartment abroad. We get into a small quarrel about training that dog, she got angry and didn’t want to talk to me for a while. I began feeling unhappy with our relationship. So many things that we didn’t have enough courage to discuss. So, next week I went to her place to apologize, ready to pour my heart out about all the problems we didn’t talk about and she left me.

    She told me she doesn’t want to leave her family because she understands family as a larger concept. And that her feelings for me are gone. I can’t understand how someone can stop loving so quick. Or maybe she was gathering her courage to leave me for some time? From that moment it felt like I moved to live underwater. Everything around me moved slowly, every thought was sticky, dark and weighted a ton. Almost two months later I’m trying my best to get myself on track again. I started bouldering and I’m loving it, reconnected with old friends, started working on my neglected projects. But every moment I feel alone. Guilty. I still love her. I feel that she is unhappy too, but scared of the future. I want to explain to her, to show her that there’s nothing to be afraid of. I want to apologize for not being the perfect partner, for my selfishness, for my concentration on my job. I want to show her that she is very dear to me, that I love her. The fighter in me every single day gets uneasy. I sent her a letter, I messaged her, I emailed her, I called her. When I called her from a different number I was greeted with “oh god, it’s you. I am not interested in what you want to say, leave me alone!” It was like burning fire to me. I left her alone but every moment I am constantly worried that I didn’t do enough for her to choose me instead of her family, which is very controlling. I feel ashamed of myself for not showing enough attention to her during the hard times, guilty for not proposing to her earlier. I can’t understand that other person doesn’t want to mend things again. Recently I learned that her brother and his fiance tried to persuade her to leave me even earlier. I know that as a brother he has a right to be protective of his younger sister, but I am no threat. I am sorry for writing this much, but I just want to know how to calm myself. I have the strength to fight a thousand times for her, to prove that it’s possible to overcome everything to be together. She’s the only one worth fighting for.

     

    #191107
    Mark
    Participant

    Corticality,

    You wrote:

    Her father is the one who makes all the decisions in her family and both my ex and her brother are working in his business…

    [She] started questioning my choice of career…

    She told me she doesn’t want to leave her family because she understands family as a larger concept. And that her feelings for me are gone.

    “oh god, it’s you. I am not interested in what you want to say, leave me alone!”

    So what is obvious is that…

    1) she is not going to listen to you over her father/family

    2) she wants no part of you anymore

     

    You want to know how to calm yourself?  Move on.  Let go. Allow yourself to grieve the end of the relationship.  There is nothing to “fight” for here.

    Respect her decision.  You can take your time with her as learning experiences to apply to the next relationship.

    Mark

    #191157
    Corticality
    Participant

    Hey, Mark,

    thanks for your reply. One part of me understands that it’s over. Even the idea of letting her go makes me feel uncomfortable and raises self-guilt because I give up on someone who is dear to me and who felt the same about me. I miss her terribly and somehow believe that those memories from the first years of our relationship can be revived and re-lived again. I appreciate your rational advice and I am trying to detach myself from her.

    Corticality

    #191177
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Corticality:

    You read like a decent man to me. I am glad you posted  here. It is my  understanding  that the two of you were incompatible in terms of values. She   values  an extended  family and  you value independence. She may have  liked it if you moved  into that apartment in or adjacent to her father’s house. Maybe she would have liked it if  you joined her and her brother, the three of you working with  her father,  in her father’s business.

    You on the other hand wanted to start a family  with her in a different country, away from her family of origin. You value becoming a  surgeon, something that is very difficult  to do in the  country you live in, in  the country where  her family of origin lives.

    This  is  incompatibility of  values. If you joined her family of origin, you would  probably be  unhappy, wouldn’t you?

    In any case, she has let  you know clearly that  she  has moved on. I do hope you recover from your strong emotional attachment to her. It is  possible  and has  been done many, many times. There  will be another woman, one compatible with your values.

    anita

     

    #191305
    CarpeDiem
    Participant

    Hi Corticality,

    You and I are in the same boat. I didnt date my ex for 8 years like you did but I really really loved (or still love) her after we broke up. She just told me few days ago that she has no feelings for me. I got to know that he is coming back to the city where I live for a while and I texted her (we are in touch but only because she knows that I was going through depression and loneliness).

    I think I am still depressed but to some lesser extent. I really don’t know what advice I can give you but what really helped me a bit is to be aware that it is over and it is probably a done deal. She will never come back. I cried a lot…a lot really which I feel helped at some level. I am focusing on other things like exercising, slowly trying to meet new people ( I used to love meeting new people), focusing to improve myself. Maybe you always wanted to reduce your coffee or quit smoking or take up a new hobby.
    What Mark said is really correct. You can start writing a journal of what mistakes you did which you can try not to repeat again.

    Keep writing every time you feel down…we are here for you

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by CarpeDiem.
    #191427
    Corticality
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    thank you for your reply. It is a conflict of values indeed. But the sense of guilt for not communicating about it enough is immense. I failed to make her feel happy and secure. It seems as I was striving to get something important to me (my specialty training) and abandoned her in the process. As I reflect what I did wrong in the relationship I start to think I was the toxic partner here. I held on to my view of things and failed to accept her opinion and her needs. And the worst thing is that I failed to express myself to her. We both avoided serious and not comfortable talks because of fear of breaking up or making each other feel bad. I can think of million opportunities when I could do something, say something to make her feel better, secure about us being together. And she tolerated me. Because she loved me. But when she got nothing in return, she went away. But now from our mutual friends I learn things that I didn’t know about. Sometimes it seems that they know more about the problems in our relationship than I do. And I want to apologize to her, to explain that I became too obsessed with my studies and career, that I finally see my drawbacks and want to try balancing things between us.

    Once, a few years ago she told me she would rather do something else and not work in her father’s business. It was a decision that was made without her. Since then I had hope that she would dare to go abroad with me. Now I think that I failed to make her feel secure enough with me, to actually try and change something in her life. I can’t find solace.

    Anyway, I will try moving forward.  Thank you for your kind words.

    Corticality

    #191435
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Corticality:

    You are welcome. Regarding your guilt feelings: I don’t have much of the information that you have, of what you might have done wrong, but I do know a couple of things:

    1. Plenty of people are tortured by feelings of guilt even though in reality they have done nothing wrong, this is true mostly for children feeling guilty regarding their parents, children who had absolutely no responsibility for what they feel guilt for, their parents’  misery, misfortune and such. These children grow up and continue to feel guilty for what they are not responsible for, lifetime.

    And so, it is possible to feel guilty, even very guilty, without any basis to it in reality.

    2. No person is perfect, of course, you have heard that. We do wrong, sure, every adult wrongs another sometimes, knowingly or unknowingly. I am not referring to abuse, but an example:  as not paying attention to a person who is trying desperately at one moment or another, to get our attention. Same  is true for her as well, your ex girlfriend. The two of you wronged each other. For what the relationship was, you carry (a mathematical simplicity here) 50% responsibility and she carries 50% responsibility.

    Other thoughts: regarding her feeling of safety- I think her feeling of safety is with her family of origin. The fact that she thought about not working in her father’s business does not negate what is most likely true to her: safety is with her father, her brother, her family of origin.

    I don’t think you could have competed with the feeling of safety they provided her since she was a young child.

    anita

    #191529
    Corticality
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I understand. The problem is that feelings are not a derivative of rational thought:) Thank you for your explanation about guilt. It doesn’t change how I feel, but helps me understand how I should think. I’m somewhat glad that I wrote about my problem here. You, Mark, CarpeDiem said the obvious thing that I don’t want to believe in. I hope I will find a way to tame this thought one day. Thanks again.

    Corticality

    #191533
    Corticality
    Participant

    Hey, CarpeDiem,

    I can imagine your feelings. It’s hard to hear such words from someone who is dear to you. I don’t know if I’m able to give you any useful advice, since I’m still in “I should fight for her” stage. It’s this mindset that I can’t escape.

    You mentioned you are feeling better now. Don’t stop with what you are doing. If it ever becomes boring in the gym – you should try bouldering/climbing. It’s more engaging, goal-oriented exercising. You also get a chance to meet new interesting people there. Climbers seem to be very friendly people. Thanks for your support. I hope you will find your way out of this emotional attachment one day. Take care.

    Corticality

    #191571
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Corticality:

    You are welcome. I agree with your distinction between feelings and rational thoughts. When feelings are attached to irrational thoughts, counter rational thoughts do not resolve or change the feelings. Except it is possible when engaging in a process of  healing, and that is what Cognitive Therapy (as in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, CBT) is about. Over  time  it  is possible  to develop different feelings for what  is rational, or true to reality.

    anita

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