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October 11, 2024 at 9:17 pm #438686ZenithParticipant
It looks like she is angry with me now. I know she is clearly lying. She is a LIAR.
October 12, 2024 at 7:53 am #438691ZenithParticipantI put my ego aside and asked her again. This time like she said I planned ahead.Still no teply.It looks like she is angry with me now after our conversation.I dont wamt to talk to her anymore.
October 12, 2024 at 9:56 am #438695anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
The relationship with her is not in a good place, and she is intentionally ignoring you. I wish that she was sensitive to your feelings about being excluded and that she had made efforts in the past to have you included. But even if she did, I assume that you’d still feel excluded at times because of how deep this wound is within you. I’d call it the Excluded Wound (EXW)
“I just want to end this friendship but I keep giving her chances as I do not want to leave her“- there needs to be some honest conversations between the two of you where you’ll explain to her what is hurting you (the EXW), how it came about (having been excluded earlier in life), how much of the sting now is about your past, not about her (so that she doesn’t feel blamed and gets defensive).. a conversation that will get her (hopefully) to feel empathetic toward you.
You want her empathy, not pity, of course, so present yourself in a way that is respectful to you. With no real, honest conversation, I see no resolution.
“On top of that my daughter asks for her daughter. Today my husband went to her house and took along my daughter as little one wanted to play with her desperately“- with the relationship between you and her being in a bad place, I see no other way for your daughter to play with hers, other than your husband taking your daughter to her house.
I wish you didn’t suffer, Zenith..!
anita
October 12, 2024 at 3:38 pm #438702ZenithParticipant<p style=”text-align: left;”>Honestly I dont want have to the conversation about my past.Most indians especially my friend doesnt understand childhood trauma or anxiety.I told her how I felt.Then she got defensive.Started blaming me.If she doesnt want to put the effort then I dont care.I know it hurts but I dont want to be a victim.Thats how some friends.They change when they meet new people.It happened earlier with two of ky friends.They create the distanace but still i put the efforts.Finally when i give up they blame for the distance.I want to move on.Its pretty clear now that she is busy during the weekend with her new set of friends and I know she doesnt want to talk to me anymore.</p>
October 12, 2024 at 8:42 pm #438712anitaParticipantDear Zenith: I’ll be back to you Sun.
anita
October 13, 2024 at 8:03 am #438718ZenithParticipantI am not sure even if its related to childhood trauma.You get hurt when someone who is close to you suddenly drifts apart from you once they meet new people.This has been happening since last year.Do you still go put in the efforts, even if they say no to you? I have accepeted it and moved on.Suddenly she comes to me and tells me i have become so busy that I dont have time to text her.We both have a mutual friend B, who told me that she is saying no to her a lot lately.Generally we three used to meet everytime. We both met last week.B didnot want to call her this time because she was saying no to them.I told B lets not do that and call her.She called my neighbor and she said no again.She was busy partying other group of friends.But when i asked her the same thing she doesnt accept the fact but in return she started blaming that I am saying no to her.I did say to no her couple of times, because i was on my period and the other time my little one was hurt.We did send my little one everytime to her house when she called us.Because little one loves to play with her daughter.Now I am scarred she would cause any drama by telling others i had hurt her because i have had the same thing happen with other friends who would always blame and create the drama.
October 13, 2024 at 9:37 am #438719anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“Honestly I don’t want have to the conversation about my past… You get hurt when someone who is close to you suddenly drifts apart from you once they meet new people… Now I am scared she would cause any drama by telling others I had hurt her because I have had the same thing happen with other friends who would always blame and create the drama.”– time for the Serenity Prayer, asking the following: “Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.
You cannot change what she will tell others, what others will tell her (gossip, drama). You can change or control only what you say to others.
Because people gossip, in the future, don’t tell person A who is in the habit of gossiping what you don’t want person B, C and D to know. When you are talking to Gossiper A, imagine as you speak to her, that Gossiper B, C are also there, hearing you. Also, do not gossip about others (telling person A negative/ judgmental things about person B)
Think before you speak, asking yourself: if I say what I feel like saying now, will it cause drama? Is there a way for me to say what I want to say in a way that is likely to ease conflict (instead of fueling conflict)?
You cannot change her choices of friends or how she feels about you. Try to make peace with it. I would give up on trying to befriend her, or re-friend her. Think of her as a neighbor and an acquaintance, not as a friend.
anita
October 14, 2024 at 1:03 pm #438751ZenithParticipantI love that prayer and I use it everyday. I am extremely stressed about this friendship. I keep going back and forth. My friend texted me today as reply for the message that I sent on Thursday. It looks like she archived my chat we have this feature on WhatsApp where you can archive the chats into separate folder so that you wont able to see thier messages. I cried on Friday like how she ignored my message. Its pretty clear that she is ignoring me now as I told ger to stop expecting from me. I kept my ego aside, I planned a kids play date to go for pumpkin patch with her on Saturday and I texted her on Thursday. Today she texted me saying that the other group already planned on Wednesday so she went with them on Sunday. The other thing she told me was her husband told my husband that as they are busy on Saturday we can go together on Tuesday. My little one has a class on Tuesday so we went on Saturday. As my little one gets bored on the weekends. I want to leave this friendship but I just keep going back and forth like an idiot. I dont know I feel like I cant take thier rejection anymore. On top of that she is ignoring my texts now. Now its pretty clear that they are busy with other group during the weekends. During our conversation, she did not agree with that instead she blamed me that I wasnt planning early and she told me that she is pretty busy during the weekdays. Now I planned early she said no and they are planned on the weekdays. I want to cut this off. I want to stop asking them when we go out. I want go out and make new friends. But I am unable to move on as I am scared she would blame me if i move on. She already blamed me for not texting. I am scared she would blame if i stop asking her or texting her.
October 14, 2024 at 1:38 pm #438752ZenithParticipantOn the other hand, she is having with her other group.She didnt validate my feelings when i expressed her how I felt.I am here scared like a little kid worried about her feelings.
October 14, 2024 at 5:57 pm #438757anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
“I want to cut this off. I want to stop asking them when we go out. I want go out and make new friends“- this is a good plan. As I suggested before, you can have your husband take your daughter to her house sometimes, you don’t have to go there yourself.
“But I am unable to move on as I am scared she would blame me if i move on. She already blamed me for not texting. I am scared she would blame if I stop asking her or texting her…I am here scared like a little kid worried about her feelings.“- and what if she blames you.. what damage can her blaming/ her feelings cause you in real-life, objective terms (beyond how you feel about it)?
anita
October 15, 2024 at 9:53 am #438778ZenithParticipantIts makes me anxious. I had one friend in the past before she started getting close to others then I moved on. But still I was nice to her and we stayed in touch. She couldnt take it when I started getting close to others. She blamed me and started gossiping about me in front of others. The “others” would come and ask me about how I am ignoring her. That was hell lot of drama to deal with. I would get anxious that why would she do this to me. She is the one who got busy others and started telling everybody that I ignored her. If I do the same thing now, I fear my current neighbor would the same. I hate all the drama.
October 15, 2024 at 9:54 am #438779ZenithParticipantThat makes me so anxious.
October 15, 2024 at 10:06 am #438780ZenithParticipantI was angry with my neighbor first on how she left me. Later on I realized that I am trying to play victim here. I dont want to blame her now for the distance. I have accepted the fact people change over time. Its up to her to decide whom she want to spend time with.
October 15, 2024 at 10:06 am #438781anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I understand that it makes you so anxious and that you hate all the drama, but anxious and hate are feelings/ states of mind. What in objective terms are the dangers in the situation to you (loss of money/ resources, injury, death..)?
anita
October 15, 2024 at 10:09 am #438782ZenithParticipantI dont see any real threat.
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