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  • #457490
    starlight1
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    Does anyone have any clue why this phenomena might happen? By psychic ‘attack’ i mean unwanted intrusive thoughts.

    Ive been trying to figure it out, and have explored topics such as repentance, healthy boundaries, karma, but sometimes it has happened and i havent known why, or been quite sure how to respond.

    #457499
    anita
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    Hello Starlight1:

    I am very familiar with intrusive thoughts having sufferred from OCD ( diagnosed) for many years, starting – I think- at the age of 5 or so.

    I think it’s one of the many ways anxiety shows up.

    Let’s say you’re afraid of your own emotions (like anger) making you a “bad person”- your anxious 🧠 may experience unwanted thoughts like wanting or appearing to want to cause harm to another person.

    Does this resonate?

    🧠 Anita

    #457500
    starlight1
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thanks very much for your reply. Im very grateful – this makes sense. But why would i have thoughts which are harmful to me or against me? I guess that could be being angry with myself for something! Is the only way out some kind of forgiveness? I honestly thought it was coming from other people.

    Do you have any idea how it works with resentment?

    Thanks again for your help.

    #457502
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Starlight1 🌟

    You are very welcome 🙏

    “But why would I have thoughts which are harmful to me or are against me?”-

    Let’s say your mother was harmful to you, let’s say she was against you, and naturally you (as her dependent young child) were for her.

    Sometime along the way, you take HER side ( which is against your own self).

    Well, that’s what happened in my case.

    Naturally, your parents are supposed to be your safe place, UT when a parent becomes danger, things inside get messed up.

    Does any of this resonate?

    🌟 Anita

    #457503
    anita
    Participant

    I want to add to “things inside get messed up”- things can get straightened out and healing takes place.

    You sound like an intelligent young (?) person, intellectually and emotionally.

    I shared just a bit about my experience with my unsafe mother. Of course, your experience may be very different from mine

    I would like to hear about it.

    #457506
    starlight1
    Participant

    Hi Anita, that does make sense, and it also i think would make sense to me if intrusive thoughts which sound like conversations where you can kind of hear your mum, for example, speaking, as you rehearse arguments in your head with her, could happen too.

    I wonder if therefore voices can possibly be an extension of intrusive thoughts? But thats getting onto another sensitive and controversial topic.

    My experience was of being left with unsafe persons, and then there being little or no support.

    Thank you for taking the time to reply. I find your replies incredibly helpful.

    I would like to ask more about how one disengages from intrusive thoughts. Now that youve replied i think i can see the first step youve explained – to recognise that youve denied parts of yourself a voice and sided with someone else taking on their thoughts/voice, because of an unsafe situation.

    #457509
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Starlight: I’ll read & reply in a few hours when I’m back to the computer/ phone

    #457511
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Starlight 🌟

    You are very welcome 🙂

    What you’re describing — having intrusive thoughts in your mum’s voice and then finding yourself “arguing” with that voice — is actually a very normal trauma response.

    When a child grows up with a parent who is unpredictable or unsafe, the child’s mind starts trying to guess what the parent will say or do next, because that’s how the child avoids getting hurt. Over time, the brain creates an internal version of the parent’s voice so the child can “hear” what might be coming and adjust their behavior to stay safe.

    For example, mum is at work and the child breaks something by accident. Immediately, the internal parent‑voice says, “Why did you do that?” and the child’s own inner voice might respond, “I’m sorry, I’ll be good,” all happening silently in the child’s mind.

    This isn’t imagination or psychosis; it’s the brain practicing how to survive, trying to stay one step ahead of danger.

    Later in adulthood, that same old internal voice can show up as intrusive thoughts, and the adult self naturally pushes back against it. It feels like two voices, but it’s really just an old survival pattern replaying itself.

    Until not too long ago, as I was thinking whatever, I would “hear” my mother’s voice finding fault or inaccuracies in what I was thinking, and I’d respond by rethinking and correcting the inaccuracies.

    How I’ve been disengaging from that dynamic: by connecting to the child-me, acknowledging her, finally feeling empathy for her, and telling her that she doesn’t have to be so careful anymore. Before that, I was quite dissociated from the child-me, as if my life- childhood and onward- didn’t really happen to me, as if I wasn’t there.

    I hope that this is somewhat helpful, is it?

    Anita

    #457525
    starlight1
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for replying. Based on this description of a trauma response, i can recall having this type of trauma response as a child and teenager and adult, with different people. It happens much less now and im able to think much more clearly these days. One book that helped me in the past was Pete Walkers book on CPTSD, but i admit i only read a little of it in the past due to difficulties in concentration.

    I am unclear from what youve said how you step by step, disengaged from having that type of conversation that can happen? Is it by advocating for yourself as a child. Ie stepping into the conversation as a spokesperson for your child as the first step? I just reread your reply and actually i believe thats what youre saying. Then, i hope its ok to ask, how have you found it best to stop criticism or responses from the other person in the conversation replaying in your head?

    Ive been aware of others processing trauma who end up talking out loud, and i admit ive done that when alone and thinking about responses to situations. (I can talk things through now, but there seems, from my own experience, a lack of knowledge and awareness and validation generally speaking amongst mental health care workers and professionals of what normal responses to trauma are, or i should say also perhaps a reluctance to share this information,even though it helps enormously with recovery and promoting healthy discussions of any trauma thats taken place).

    Thank you for articulating so clearly this trauma response.

    In my own journey, i admit that ive got angry and said f off or leave me alone sometimes to trauma memories, but obviously i dont think thats the best way to handle them.

    I hope what im sharing is sufficiently clearly written.

    #457526
    starlight1
    Participant

    Ps thanks so much Anita for having this conversation with me!

    #457528
    anita
    Participant

    Good morning (here), Starlight1 🌟

    You are 🙏 and thank you for having this conversation with me!

    Pete Walker’s book on PTSD is the last book I read (around 2014). It was very meaningful to me. It so happens that I didn’t read a single book since.

    Of course it’s okay to ask 🙂.

    How those mental back and forths between the criticizer/attacker 😠 and the criticized/ attacked 😞 stopped for me?

    Well, it mostly stopped, last time was maybe a week or two ago that I remember, but it was contained, short, and not intense.

    Let me see.. thinking out loud, whatever comes to mind:

    (By the way, when I use the 📱 like I do now, emojis show up and I just love them. Are you 👍 with them?)

    Back to the question: I was a victim of engulfment trauma, meaning I never separated- individuated from my mother, didn’t have an independent separate self.

    In other words, mentally, she dominated me.

    This mental terrorism (an extension of the real-life domestic terrorism of living-dying with her) stopped ✋️ when I finally had enough separation from her: in real- life (no contact since 2013/14) and mentally.

    For as long as I was too small, too weak, too dominated, I wasn’t able to have a say about what was happening in my mind or in real- life (zero assertiveness).

    So, my answer: it was a gradual process, not a technique.

    I hope I answered your question? Please let me know if I answered a question you didn’t ask 🤔

    In regard to health care workers and professionals you came across, you’re saying that they are not trauma informed or that they’re reluctant to share what they know?

    Can you give me an example or two?

    Next, I’ll visit your other thread.

    🤔 🧠 🤔 Anita

    #457530
    starlight1
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for reply – yes, emojis are fine, but for some reason arent working on my phone.

    What youve shared about engulfment trauma makes sense. My own mother has been like that at times, and it cost me so much staying in contact. Ive tried repeatedly to get her to acknowledge the harm she did and to change. There has actually been some acknowledgement and apologising,but not change and then i seriously question her genuineness if shes still with someone who caused so much hurt. Also i have only confronted her with some of the facts. At any rate, a lot of my relationships and opportunities have been undermined by that relationship. I cant say thats the whole picture, but it gets into too much to talk about it.

    It sounds like from what youve said, breaking contact is the only way forward.

    With respect to health professionals, not one nurse or dr i spoke to told me that it was a normal trauma reaction to have conversations in your head after being with someone, to try and process what happened. In fact ive been put on medication in the past for ruminating.

    Thankfully, even if its not for me that im working this out, with help here, im thinking clearly and with a quiet mind as im writing, although i have a sense of a foreshortened future. Actually, in the religion i was in it was all about getting a testimony so that other people could benefit.

    Also, i noticed that some nurses and particularly drs were very quick to pathologise intrusive thoughts etc, but if only theyd shared some insight and helped me see why that was happening. Instead i was told by most i was delusional over having been abused, and medicated accordingly.

    #457534
    anita
    Participant

    Good morning again, Starlight 🌟

    Thank you for sharing all of this so clearly. I can hear how much you’ve been carrying, and how long you’ve been trying to make sense of it on your own.

    What you wrote about your mother — the apologies without real change, the hurt about her choice to remain with the person who harmed you, her impact on your life — all of that makes complete sense. You don’t have to go into anything you don’t want to. I’m hearing the experience without needing the details.

    About what you said regarding “breaking contact”- it ended up being necessary in my situation. You get to decide what is right for you, in your timing, with your own clarity.

    You wrote in regard to your mother, “it cost me so much staying in contact”- I very much relate. It cost me my mental health, a huge price. I had to stay small, engulfed, unimportant, sacrificed, a non-entity.

    What you said about health professionals resonates with so many trauma survivors. Internal conversations, replaying events, talking out loud when processing — these are all very common trauma responses. It’s painful that instead of explaining the mechanism to you, they pathologized it and medicated you.

    Being told you were “delusional” for naming abuse is a deep injury in itself. I’m glad you’re thinking clearly now and that your mind feels quiet as you write. That clarity belongs to you; it’s not something anyone gave you.

    Nothing in your message sounds like you were asking for advice — it sounds like you were thinking out loud, and I’m simply walking alongside you as you do.

    🤍 Anita

    #457559
    starlight1
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thanks for replying. Ive got worn out, and i was just thinking about the title of this thread. Its interesting how situations can be interpreted very differently, according to different beliefs, and those interpretations cant all be right.

    I might take a break for a little while, but i would like to come back. I think i just need to rest for a while.

    #457561
    anita
    Participant

    How exciting it is, for me, to know that somewhere across the world 🌎, Starlight1 has submitted a post exactly 10 minutes ago!

    Please do rest, do take the break you need to take. I’ll be here when you return.

    🌿 Anita

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