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  • #115023
    John Chin
    Participant

    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for taking the time to read. I was in a relationship with my ex-girlfriend (which I will call “K”) for 5 years, and out of those 5 years we lived together for over 2 years. We both started PhD programs when we moved in together (we came from a different city), and that is when things began to get rough and bumpy for us.

    Since the beginning of our relationship I was very hesitant to become his boyfriend because I thought it wasn’t a “pure” or “magical” beginning to what I would’ve expected out of a relationship. Long story short, her ex-boyfriend and my previous ex (which I will call “C”) had gotten together and was when my ex-K and I really started talking. From the beginning, I only saw her as a friend, and that is the only way I wanted to look at her, I knew she was a great person but at that particular moment I was not attracted to her. Nevertheless, with time, we eventually became very good friends and she even became friends with my friends and my family got a liking to her. However, I still could not see her as my future partner.

    As time went by, I had plenty of other opportunities with other women, however, when I found myself in a situation where other women tried to make a move on me, like kissing me, I felt bad doing it because I couldn’t stop thinking of how this would make “K” feel. I had come to realize that “K” had become a very important person in my world and I could not bear to break her heart. I never told her anything about this and realized, that maybe I was already in love with her without even realizing it. But to be honest, I never felt a huge spark or crazy love when I thought about her, I just felt very comfortable and ok being with her. So after this we started having sex with each other, going out on dates and all and I guess everything was ok. She really did everything she could to make me happy and I really appreciated everything she did for me, which is the main reason why I reasoned that maybe this is what love was, not about a crazy summer romance spark but something more mature and someone who made me feel comfortable. So after much rejection from my part to become boyfriends (even after having sex) I decided to make it official and become a couple.

    As I try to remember our first days as a couple, there were many things that I could’ve done better. I could’ve shown her more signs of affection, I could’ve held her hand when we went out but I did not do those sorts of things, but at that time I was not mean to her. So if I had to summarize our relationship before we moved in together I would say, there were a lot of things I could’ve done better, we had no fights, and she would do anything in her hands to make me happy.

    The real problems began when we started living together, and it started slowly but surely eating at our relationship. I think it was a combination of a lot of things going on, it was our first time outside of our homes, we had a tremendous amount of pressure from our PhD program, we had very little time for each other, and the one thing I had asked her for in order to have a good relationship was not being met, which was trust.

    This is when I started to become mean with her and say things I regret, although she was being nice to me in her own way, she was being nice in a different way that I had become used to. In the past, I had a lot of her attention, and it seems she enjoyed doing the things I did, but I had begun to think this had only been part of the honey moon phase, and after living together these such things were slowly fading away. I began to tell her that she spent way too much time in lab, and that once she came home she would only work, work and study. I am a PhD student myself, and I had no problems balancing out work from my personal time. At first, I brought it up nicely and politely, but after seeing no change, I would start getting upset and lock myself in my room and not wanting to talk to her after she was done with her stuff. In my eyes, I was becoming less and less important for her, and I thought she was now taking me for granted. I was not happy with that, because being a grad student myself, I thought I had a good idea of how much time you needed to get things done and I used to think she was overdoing it. I really did approach her many times with this issue, but I just felt I was not being heard and after useless attempts anger would just start to build up inside me not wanting to talk about it since it was worthless. Anyhow, at that time I did not realize all the things she still did for me and how much of a jerk I was. She still drove me to the University, she still cooked most of the time, she did the laundry and lots of other good stuff that I did not appreciate then. I was such an asshole that I once told her: ” I don’t need to have a maid, I don’t need to have a taxi-driver, what I need is a partner in crime, I need a comrade, I want to be your friend”. Without realizing all the things she did was her way of loving me.

    When I realized our relationship was very unhealthy, was when I realized she began to act kind of shady, she would lean the opposite side to where I was to text, and she had started to spend a lot of time on her phone. I am the jealous type, but I did extremely well at not saying anything about it, not because I did not want to cause problems, but because I was to proud to admit I am jealous. In my previous relationship with my other ex “C”, I noticed a similar behavior, to realize she had been cheating on my for a while. Something inside me that I had tried to bury came back and I logged into “K’s” facebook and it took me 5 seconds to realize my hunch was not at all wrong. While she was not cheating on me, she said a lot of things to my back that hurt me a lot, she complained to her friends about me saying how ungrateful I was, she said that I did not appreciate anything I did for her, and many other things that in all honesty, she was right but still hurt a lot. Being how stupid I am, I still felt betrayed and I wish she would’ve talked to me about that first. Ever since that happened, I cannot say I had my full trust in her because now I would feel that the only thing she did was talk crap about me.

    Then jealousy, came into play. I was never to happy with her still being in touch with her ex’s, people she has had a past with, or people that were hitting on her and I never said anything about it. I just got upset, locked myself in my room, then she would come and ask what was going on with me and I would just tell her to go away, and she would start crying so bad. At that point, I did not realize how much damage I was causing her by locking myself out. But it only got worse, I would keep on locking myself out, and after she wouldn’t let me cool down and kept knocking on my door I would yell at her, say extremely hurtful things about her, about her research not even being that good.

    I was too selfish and only thought about myself, while she did cause a lot of pain in me, there was no reason for me to act so badly with her and become emotionally violent. When I get angry, I lose control of the things I say, I am capable of saying extremely hurtful things. It became such a toxic relationship, I had become emotionally abusive towards her and did not realize it, because I was being to selfish thinking about my needs and not thinking about hers. In addition to our relationship problems, she had also a lot of problems in her lab, her boss was extremely mean to her too.

    One time she came crying to me telling me the things her boss had told her, she was told to not make up things, and not lie when she was asked a question, and instead of being there for her and calming her down, I said, hmm, looks like your boss and myself can see through you.

    Fast forward, she decided to quit her PhD, and finish with a master’s degree, and to go back home. I asked her to please stay, that I don’t think a long distance relationship would solve our problems, that I envision myself being married to her in the future and somehow magically fix our problems. She did not want to stay and I did not want to have a long distance relationship. After she told me she was mastering out, we still had a couple of months together, and it was a nightmare. It was only fighting, she never approached me about what was going to happen, what her plan was, and this only filled me with insecurity and made me think she already had all the plan laid out and I was being left out. I broke up with her saying I did not want a long distance reltionship, only to regret it and tell her I was willing to try it. She said no.

    I could not believe what was happening, I had a panic attack I could not believe, she was leaving me less than a month before my oral examination (hardest exam in your PhD, if you fail you’re out). If someone knew how important this was it was her, we spent a lot of time talking about how much we feared this moment. But now I understand how abusive I was, and that she really needed to walk out of this, and that I deserve all this that has been happening to me.

    At this point, I regret everything I did, I was mean, and although I was hurt too, that does not justify all the mean stuff and emotional abuse towards her. She still wants to keep in touch with me, but has repeatedly said she would never be my partner again and that she can’t see me like that either. She said I am the person that has hurt her the most and that she’ll never forget that. However, she till texts me, she calls me, and even after I try to not have contact with her, she ends up calling me, crying. When she does that, I end up opening up to her, but she still does not want to try it, and I really understand it.

    I’ve been going to therapy and I really feel that I am in the lowest point in my life, my only goal right now is to be a better person than I was yesterday, but ultimately, I want to be this person with her and not anyone else.

    I know how much pain I’ve caused her and I should probably let her go. But it is so hard, since she is still talking to me, and I don’t know how to do this, I don’t feel she deserves me not talking to her after it was me that screwed up most of this by not being grateful and showing her how much I loved her.

    She is coming this weekend to visit the dogs and pick up some of her stuff. What approach should I take with her? I still want her back…

    Thanks a lot for reading.

    #115024
    John Chin
    Participant

    I have been reading a lot before finally deciding to share my thoughts and feelings. I would really love to hear your input. I am afraid I am a narcissistic person. Much of my behavior seems to match that of a narcissistic person, but then again, plain descriptions don’t always meet the context of how things happened. I am afraid I am this kind of person.

    #115043
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear epodc7:

    You asked: “What approach should I take with her?”

    The approach should be ZERO ABUSE: do not abuse her no matter what, no matter how hurt or angry you feel.

    If you can’t control what you say to her, do not be in her presence during her coming visit. If you feel you are about to say hurtful words to her on the phone, get off the phone.

    The approach, the policy I am strongly suggesting is ZERO ABUSE.

    Go to psychotherapy, an anger management class, whatever it takes for you to control your behavior, to gain insight into the origin of your hurt and anger (K is not the origin at all; she is only your victim).

    Your responsibility is to take on healing from your hurt and anger of long ago, so that you achieve well being for yourself and you no longer inflict your pain on another.

    The title of your thread is: Holding on or letting go. Please do let go of your abusive behavior and hold on to healing yourself.

    anita

    #115054
    John Chin
    Participant

    Thank you very much for the reply Anita, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to answer everyone. I understand there is no excuse for my behavior and this has been a reality check for me. It has been almost two months since I gave in to anger and have managed to get a little better everyday, and has been my only goal, to be better than I was yesterday. The abuse has stopped, but I understand the memory remains.

    I haven’t said anything hurtful and I am more aware of the words I say and feel I have realized how much damage I caused her. However, I still don’t understand whether I should keep replying to her texts or calls, I feel it is the least I can do for her after all the damage I’ve done, but at the same time I’m hurting myself because I don’t think I’ll be able to start my own healing process. I don’t want her to feel bad if I stop talking to her, but at the same time I hurt myself by doing so.

    #115058
    Inky
    Participant

    Oh no the website ate my response!!!!

    To paraphrase:

    1. You were lukewarm in the relationship going in
    2. You were Ph.D. students
    3. You lived together
    4. You’re all still friends with your ex’s

    What a difficult combination!!

    Then to top it all off you acted totally UNCONSCIOUSLY!

    To her and others in the future: “Please”. “Thank you”. “Would you like me to…” “I totally understand that…” goes SUCH a long way!

    When she visits pretend she is a deity. Respect. Manners. Smile. Get her something to drink.

    Good Luck!

    Inky

    #115060
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear epodc7:

    Congratulations for two months of not being abusive and for aiming at improving every day. As to your question whether to continue contact with her, contact that she initiates, my answer is:

    No. Sincerely apologize in great detail for abusing her: write down all the ways you abused her, so nothing is ambiguous, no excuses, no: ‘I was hurt and that is why I said those words..’

    Take full responsibility for your wrong doings against her, detail them and then express true regret and remorse. In that written communication that I am suggesting here, tell her that it is best to have no more contact because you need to heal from the hurt and anger you have in you from BEFORE meeting her and you need to do it while no longer in contact with her. In addition to it, you can add that you believe it is best for her as she needs to heal from your abuse of her (and probably from others’ abuse of her before meeting you, which may be the reason she accepted your abuse and still contacts you).

    anita

    #115064
    John Chin
    Participant

    Thanks for taking the time to read and reply! Much appreciated

    Inky: Thanks for taking the time to write again, I’m glad the post went through this time. It definitely was a complicated situation, but I know this does not an excuse for the damage I caused her. Thanks for your input, I will treat her with respect and nicely, since it will most likely be the very last time we see each other and talk.

    Anita: First of all, thanks again. Although trying to get in the mindset of giving up on her is one of the hardest things I’ve been through and still am going through, I understand much of the damage I caused her will not be forgotten. I messed up. I will apologize once in a written way as you suggested, I will probably wait a couple of days after she leaves.

    Do you have any advice on how to move on in a situation like this? Sometimes at night before bed, I am filled with a tremendous fighting spirit telling me not to give up, and I can’t help but think that other couples have been able to recover after worse things and I think that so can we. Whenever I see other couples, I find it inevitable to think how much I could’ve done things better. Whenever I have these feelings, I try to calm myself and remember all the bad things I said to her that hurt, that has been able to keep me at bay and stopping me from telling her. I understand I deserve everything that is happening to me right now and I don’t even deserve she still trying to talk to me. I have the most important test in my life in 3-weeks. If I fail my comprehensive examination, I am out of my PhD program, and I find myself not being able to concentrate and thinking about her all the time. This already has taken an immense toll on my academic life (not saying that I don’t deserve it). Is there something you recommend in such stressful times?

    Thanks again.

    #115066
    John Chin
    Participant

    By the way, in my original post I mentioned I couldn’t believe she was leaving me less than a month before my oral examination, this was in July. My exam got postponed by other circumstances to October

    #115072
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear epodc7:

    You are welcome. You asked for my advice on how to move on from here. This is my detailed advice:

    1) No more abusing her or anyone else, not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Be assertive but not abusive; promote your self interest with a Win-Win attitude. This is first priority.

    2) Your test: focus on it to the exclusion of everything else. Have no contact with her until after the exam(postponing her visit this weekend is acceptable, I think, if you explain to her you need no contact until after your exam).

    3) After the exam, prepare a very detailed and thorough record of your past abuse of her, sincerely apologize for all, taking full responsibility for all the abuse you inflicted on her. Offer restitution for the time you will be able to do so, once you earn money: to pay for her therapy with a competent therapist (about six months- or more, weekly, I am thinking). In summary: zero future abuse of her, a written record with a sincere apology and restitution in the form of paying her therapist.

    * regarding a possible relationship with her: following her one to one therapy, paid by you, you can join her sessions in the context of a couple therapy so to determine a possible future.

    Post again, anytime and wish you well on your exam!

    anita

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