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July 24, 2017 at 11:10 pm #159980KareemParticipant
Hi All,
About a year ago, I posted the following: https://tinybuddha.com/topic/upset-with-myself-over-minor-incident/
I thought I had taken care of these thoughts, and learned to accept them for what they are…in other words not a big deal. Nonetheless, in recent days they have returned. They are strong, painful and intrusive. Frankly, I have more important things to worry about, but lately I’ve just been thinking about how I wish I had kept the box and not given it away to avoid this entirely.
Apologies if this seems incredibly trivial. Any feedback would be most appreciated and I’m happy to answer any questions to help give advice.
July 25, 2017 at 5:06 am #160000AnonymousGuestDear Kareem:
Your current thoughts may be trivial (“this seems incredibly trivial”), but the emotions fueling these thoughts are not trivial. The emotions are significant. What are they?
anita
July 25, 2017 at 6:01 am #160020ElianaParticipantHi Kareem,
I too suffer from very painful and intrusive thoughts. Alot of this may be due a a very traumatic, neglectful childhood, where I was severely emotionally and verbally abused, rejected and constantly abandoned by an Alcololic mother. Another reason may be because I have lost so many people I have loved in my life, including my siblings because of the circumstances with my mother, we were all taken away from her by the courts. She had six children, I was the youngest. I never saw my siblings again. They were raised by different people than me.
Another reason is I suffer from several mental health diagnosis. Post traumatic stress disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Severe Anxiety and Panic attacks. I am in intensive counseling with REMT, CBT, DBT to help with these intrusive thoughts, but what really helped me was medication that my Psychiatrist put me on. It has helped with painful, intrusuve, ruminating thoughts. Please post anytime or share your thoughts?
July 25, 2017 at 1:46 pm #160156KareemParticipantThank you Anita and Eliana, I very much appreciate it.
This is a very complex situation internally, so please bear with me as I am thinking while typing this on my bus ride home. Do let me know if I can further clarify any of this. I am definitely an “over thinker”
I think there are many emotions that are fueling this. When my friend lost that election, I was personally very hurt by his loss. Might I add that this election was on a large scale and something people are very invested in, at least relative to high schoolers/teenagers. I wrote the note and gave him the box a day after returning home from convention, and I was very distraught in that time emotionally. I am angry with myself for letting my emotions get the best of me at that time. “Why did I have to give ALL that remained in that box? Why did I have to give anything at all?” In my mind, giving him everything that remained in the box was symbolic of doing more to ease the pain of losing. I think I thought more was better…I was almost about to give tshirts I already wore, before realizing that was strange. I included some sizes that I knew wouldn’t even fit him. My reasoning back then baffles and upsets me.
I am upset with that (now former) friend becuase of the response I got. He was undoubtedly appreciative, but part of his response included “I have no idea why you gave me all of that other stuff though, I have like no use for it! Haha…thanks though!” Although maybe he was referring to a couple items that weren’t t-shirts? I don’t know. Back then, I just shrugged it off, thinking to myself that “he can just give these out to people who might like it, I’m not in the club anymore since I’m graduating, so I don’t need it” I often find myself being upset with myself over all the times I have spent even thinking about this. About 4 years ago, I went through an episode of being upset about it, until I talked it through with a friend. I was fine, until it crept back into my mind about a year ago. I brushed it over and it came into my mind yet again.
Finally, I find myself regretful and sad about many of the interactions I had with my parents throughout the year of having that position. I frankly was a spoiled brat, and couldn’t see all they had done for me (driving me places out of their way, ironing many clothes, waking me up early/late when needed). This was a large commitment. They nagged me, or at least I interpreted it as nagging, about my schoolwork. I felt that they were more into the prestige of the position, and weren’t always supportive of the work it entailed. This finally led to some rude interactions on my end. I am upset with myself for being so unwilling to just share a few tshirts (this sentence was a bit painful to type out, struck a chord in my heart, to illustrate). My thought process was that these are shirts special to the organization that my friend would like. For anyone else, they wouldn’t fully realize the value of it. It’s not like we didn’t have our own shirts or couldn’t afford anymore, right? I did have a few shirts from the convention as well, which I did share with my family.
I will add that this was not the only incident/argument my parents and I had when I was involved with that position. My mind may just code this as being the icing on the cake. A year later, I said sorry to my mother about anything I said or did that year. She essentially forgave me, and told me I didn’t need to keep on apologizing. My sister and I have a habit of saying sorry over and over again. (I almost teared up typing this)
Frankly, I think I overdid it. I wish the thought of of giving that box of freebies hadn’t even entered my head. I wish I hadn’t sent them over so quickly without giving my head time recuperate from that pain of my friend losing that election. It’s strange, because if I still had that box, it would likely be sitting in a corner of my house unused.
The truth is, I have bigger problems, my parents and my family have bigger problems, but this just seems to take up my mind the whole day, and diverts my focus elsewhere. I realize, that from all of this, there are lessons to be learned. For example, not overdoing it/putting in more than I receive in a friendship, and, as I continue on the path to adulthood to have a mature relationship with my parents. However, I then find myself thinking…why did it take these incidents to learn these lessons? Why couldn’t I have just known this all along? I know I could have been better. Perhaps though, being a hormonal teenager impacts almost everyone negatively?
I am sorry if I wrote out a lot, I just want to spill out everything that runs in my mind constantly with regards to this incident. The main emotions in my head are anger, regret, sadness and guilt. My hope is by reading through this, you are able to understand where I am coming from a bit more. Please do let me know if I can clarify or answer anything further. Thank you for your help in advance, I do sincerely appreciate it!
July 26, 2017 at 5:01 am #160234InkyParticipantHi Kareem,
If it makes you feel any better, your friend literally doesn’t think about the box at all. Even that day, he probably perused it, then thought about it for like a minute. The box is probably with new club members or in someone’s attic by now.
I was a Scout leader, and as a leader (or even as an active member) YOU have to be more into the organization/club than anyone else. The average member, the common denominator, is just that ~ common. In that they’ll do the bare minimum and really don’t care (strange but true). Then you have the 20%, the ones who care an awful lot and do most of the work. I remember being made fun of by other parents because I was “SO into it”. Well guess what? If I wasn’t that involved, none of the kids would have successful meetings and earn badges. (Thankfully for the next Den I had very involved parents!) And by you being so into it, that inspires other people to help out and get involved.
So no, DON’T be embarrassed about the box! HE should have actually appreciated its contents as he was the only one actually worthy of receiving it! The next time your thoughts run away with you, flip the script!
Good Luck,
Inky
July 26, 2017 at 5:06 am #160236InkyParticipantAnd P.S. Your parents don’t think about it either. You are “square” with them. Don’t even give it another thought. 🙂
July 26, 2017 at 5:35 am #160246AnonymousGuestDear Kareem:
It’s not about the box, never has been about the box. As I see it, it is about guilt and regret.
You wrote: “The truth is, I have bigger problems, my parents and my family have bigger problems, but this just seems to take up my mind the whole day”-
seems to me, that like many intrusive/ obsessive thinking topics (your topic: the box), their purpose is to do just what you wrote: to take up your mind so that you don’t think about the bigger problems. Somehow guilt and regret on your part is connected to these bigger problems.
The bigger problems, what are they?
anita
July 26, 2017 at 6:57 am #160264KareemParticipantHi Anita,
When it comes to bigger problems, I would say it’s nothing more than the ups and downs of life that everyone faces at some point. In the past five years we’ve dealt with death and illness in the family, financial difficulties stemming from a bitter lawsuit we were forced to file (which have since then been solved, thankfully). My own family (the four us) have had our own health problems, my mom and sister have had to increase their anxiety/depression meds. Personally, I just started a new job that I love so far, but I am still trying to figure out the next steps in the coming year. I am currently applying to medical school, have no idea where that is going to go. Those are all the problems that are either current or in the last 5 years.
Any thoughts? Please let me know if this didn’t quote answer your question.
Very much appreciated,
kareem
July 26, 2017 at 7:01 am #160266KareemParticipantThank you, Inky. I have actually let this friendship go many years ago. I think I learned a valuable lesson not to put too much into friendships, if you aren’t receiving the same.
I agree that my parents probably haven’t thought of it either, but oddly enough since then, I will always find myself trying to compensate. I see a free shirt? I will grab one to take for my mom or dad. If I have difficulty finding a shirt to wear, I will think about how I wish I had they box.
anyways, I agree that I need to move on from this. It has ebbed and flowed in my mind for over five years. One thought is to discuss it with my parents…maybe that will help.
Anyways, just thinking out loud here. Thank you for this feedback!
July 26, 2017 at 7:55 am #160284AnonymousGuestDear Kareem:
As you observed your family suffer health and financial problems, you wished you could help them, wished you could solve their problems, so that your mother, for one, wouldn’t be anxious, and be happy instead, correct?
Maybe you felt that it was your job to make her happy, and that you failed, and that if only you gave her that box with the gifts inside (instead of giving it to an outsider), she would have been happy…?
anita
July 27, 2017 at 7:29 am #160488KareemParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, I think that might be the issue in part. I was slightly disturbed by my peers response; it was mostly positive, except for that last line I mentioned earlier. That said, we did have a great friendship. But about a year later, that line really began to bother me, and I ultimately chose to let that friendship go.
Perhaps my thought process was initially, when I had given him the box, that “oh well, he can give them out.” In hindsight, though, my thought is constantly “I just shouldn’t have given them at all.”
As Inky mentioned, my parents probably don’t even remember this, but I am still ashamed at my behavior. I will say, that in the past day or so my feelings have calmed down, at least somewhat. Feel free to let me know if I can clarify anything.
Thank you so much!
July 27, 2017 at 7:35 am #160492AnonymousGuestDear Kareem:
You are welcome. You can clarify more about your shame, if you’d like. Do you remember when you felt ashamed for the first time in your life, before the box fiasco, and what was/is your shame about?
anita
July 27, 2017 at 10:59 pm #160692KareemParticipantThe first time I felt genuine shame in my life, or at least the first time I remember feeling ashamed (not embarrassed), was likely in the months after getting that position in that organization. Of course, it took up a lot of my time and mental attention, my schoolwork suffered and I ended up getting a B- in a class. This brought my GPA to a 3.95, but to someone who had every intention of graduating as valedictorian and dreamed about it since childhood, this was devastating. My SAT scores were not up to par, I still didn’t have my license, and my life just felt like a complete mess. If it is relevant, there were some heated conversations with my parents that took place throughout the year, entirely about school (and occasionally my frustrations with not having my license, I was a late bloomer). Being immigrants, from South Asia, education was something always emphasized growing up.
I’d also like to add, you mentioned earlier that it was never “about the box.” I think I agree with you; I’m definitely not one to get attached to objects.
Apologies if I rambled on a bit. I hope you have a great day!
Kareem
July 28, 2017 at 4:40 am #160702AnonymousGuestDear Kareem:
You agree that it is not about the box. Maybe then, it is about being perfect, being anything less than perfect, a perfect GPA, a perfect SAT score, etc., is a devastation.
You wrote that in your family “education was something always emphasized growing up”- if perfection in education was emphasized, having to get the perfect score, it is a huge pressure on a child.
The box, it can be a symbol. What do you think?
anita
April 3, 2019 at 8:20 pm #287491KareemParticipantHello Anita,
I hope this message finds you well.
I sincerely apologize for being so intermittent on this forum. I was wondering if we may be able to continue this exploration/discussion if you are willing. If you would rather not, as there are likely others on this forum with greater needs than my own, I will completely understand. If so, I will begin by responding to your most recent question.
I truly appreciate how much you have been willing to help me out, entirely out of the goodness of your heart.
Best Regards,
Kareem
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