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  • #435820
    anita
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    Oh, I understand, Clara. I think it’s Mon 1:35 pm where you are, Sun 10:35 pm where I am. Will be back to you Mon morning where I am.

    anita

    #435830
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    From what I understand, you have clearly let her know how important it is to you that she removes all her belongings from your house as soon as possible, but she arrived late at your house to remove her stuff “because she just came back from a one night trip with her friends“.

    Later at night I texted her and asked if she could talk or hear what I said… She said we could talk 2 weeks later, after her business trip“- you shared earlier that she is good at compartmentalizing.

    From very well mind: “You may understand compartmentalization as a defense mechanism that allows you to keep anxiety in check by separating certain thoughts or emotions from others, essentially putting them into different mental ‘boxes'”-

    – seems to me that her Clara mental box is of a lower priority (at least since the break, if not before) than her friends mental box and her business mental box.

    She said it was really tough for her…  I was very frustrated because this is what she has chosen, she has chosen to break up“- I understand your frustration. Seems to me that her subjective experience of “really tough“, made possible by effective compartmentalizing, is way less tough than your un-compartmentalized subjective experience of really tough.

    Back to very well mind/ how to compartmentalize to reduce stress: “Compartmentalization Can Be Healthy- If used in moderation and combined with self-reflection… Compartmentalization allows you to temporarily set aside the burden of dealing with heavy emotions, giving way to mental clarity and helping to prevent emotional burnout… There are many benefits to using compartmentalization to manage your stress. Some of them include: Stress reduction… Improved focus and productivity… Improved work-life balance… Better decision-making”.

    When Compartmentalization Becomes Unhealthy- … While effective, using this technique to manage stress constantly can quickly cause you to repress emotions instead of dealing with them…Unresolved feelings may resurface as anxiety, depression, or other mental health disorders… compartmentalizing can quickly become a way of avoiding emotional confrontation and resolution. This avoidance can prolong emotional distress and hinder your personal growth… Using this technique habitually could create emotional barriers between you and your loved ones, hindering communication and connection. In the long run, this can lead to feelings of isolation and damage interpersonal relationships…

    “How to Compartmentalize in a Healthy Way- When you master how to compartmentalize healthily, this technique can become a valuable tool to help you manage stress and cope with complex emotions…. It’s crucial to remember that compartmentalization should only be used as a temporary tool. This technique is not meant to be a permanent solution to your life’s emotional challenges and daily stressors. It should only be used to manage overwhelming situations, with the understanding that you need to revisit processing and resolve the emotions you shelve. This is necessary for your long-term well-being”.

    What do you think/ feel about the above, Clara?

    anita

     

    #435848
    Chau
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Thanks for your insight always.

    I want to clarify: Seems to me that her subjective experience of “really tough“, made possible by effective compartmentalizing, is way less tough than your un-compartmentalized subjective experience of really tough.

    do you mean due to her compartmentalization, objectively she should be having a less ‘tough’ time, but then she already is feeling it ‘very tough’ since she  mostly compartmentalize, and that what is happening is already ‘ too much’ for her?

    Clara mental box is of a lower priority (at least since the break, if not before) than her friends mental box and her business mental box. i think this is true also. I think before the break up  it was true as well, but I guess she treated me as partner and think she ‘should’ take more care of me. She treated me more like a duty than act out of love indeed.

    I think throughout the relationship, she compartmentalize things. there were times when she was upset or not happy about things/ me/ others. She would put it away and just do whatever the situations require, may be she knew i needed affirmation so she just did it and put the feelings away. She called this ‘let the feelings just go’ but in hindsight, she didn’t really let them go. She might not even realize they were there, but they probably were. This happened to her work also, she did what the situations required, and until a point where she felt burn out and needed to leave the company. She left this current company and took a few months break two years ago, because she ‘burned out’. ‘burned out’ is the word she used, to describe our relationship too. She was too tired to try anymore.

     

    She said I didn’t need to do too much in the relationship, as in no need to be so deliberate and buy gifts/ celebrate too elaborate on occasion. I trusted that and I thought we were stable, thus she did not need those these anymore. But now, the reason she proposed a break up was she lost ‘feelings’ for me. And I think back, aren’t the things that she mentioned she did not need, were one of the thing that caused the feeling slip away? Or may be, she just unconsciously want this to slip away? i dunno.

    At  a point I thought to myself: This person did not really know what she was feeling and wanting. From all the situations above, as well as from this break up. She decided on a breakup, but she seemed to be devastated by the fact that she need to move out (may be she just didn’t want to deal with the logistic etc i dunno) as if she did not know breaking up = I won’t be there to help with laundry/ help her take care of the movers; she needed to move out from the house.

    I think your last paragraph: This technique is not meant to be a permanent solution to your life’s emotional challenges and daily stressors. It should only be used to manage overwhelming situations, with the understanding that you need to revisit processing and resolve the emotions you shelve. I resonate with that a lot. She seems to be using compartmentalization ineffectively, and thus it takes her almost a month and a half of break, to think of a situation which she knew a month and a half ago, which was that she didn’t have feelings for me.

    I used to be the one who shared her emotions and gave her a lot insights on herself and on the situations(she said she valued how I help her analyze the work dynamic and emotions/ feelings which is one of my strength indeed).

     

    After yesterday, I did ask my friends and I did think if I managed anything wrongly. May be in her perspective, I just said I wanted to join in that morning. her trip was planned some times ago, she needed a getaway, she did not expect I would ask her to move out that quickly, It was tough for her to find a place and manage work at the same time. Things were just out of control. For me, all these are a matter of planning and priority. For her, she just goes with the flow, and now obviously she is someone who does not prioritize me as well.

    My second therapy session tonight, I will see if my therapist has any insight and see if she can help me deal with my frustration better.

    thanks all

    #435850
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara: I will read and reply tomorrow.

    anita

    #435863
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    You are always welcome. “do you mean due to her compartmentalization, objectively she should be having a less ‘tough’ time, but then she already is feeling it ‘very tough’ since she  mostly compartmentalize, and that what is happening is already ‘ too much’ for her?“- no, I didn’t mean that. I meant that due to her compartmentalization she is having way less of a (subjective) tough time than you do. I think that in regard to her, you compartmentalize very little, or rarely, and that’s why you have been having much more of a tough time than she has. I think that this is true for the entirety of the break and after.

    That a person compartmentalizes as a defense mechanism against stress (tough time), that’s true. I imagine that before she habitually compartmentalized, she experienced intense stress/ tough time (like you experience it). But that was before she met you.  Throughout the break and since the break, seems to me, her defense mechanism worked very well for her: if she had even close to as much of a tough time as you have had, she would have reached out to you (early) during the break and initiate a talk about the possibility of getting back together, she wouldn’t have the state of mind to enjoy time with her friends, and she wouldn’t be late to pick up her things because of spending a night out with her friends.

    In regard to my input (“Clara mental box is of a lower priority (at least since the break, if not before) than her friends mental box and her business mental box“,  you responded: I think this is true also. I think before the break up  it was true as well.. She treated me more like a duty than act out of love indeed“-

    like a duty, a bit robotically, operating by logic, not by emotions.. Her (stronger) emotions repressed (subconsciously/ unintentionally pushed down), or suppressed (consciously, intentionally pushed down) is what I figure.

    I think throughout the relationship, she compartmentalize things. there were times when she was upset or not happy about things/ me/ others. She would put it away and just do whatever the situations require… She called this ‘let the feelings just go’… This happened to her work also, she did what the situations required, and until a point where she felt burn out and needed to leave the company. She left this current company and took a few months break two years ago, because she ‘burned out’. ‘burned out’ is the word she used, to describe our relationship too. She was too tired to try anymore“-

    – she lets the feelings just go under (suppresses them), does what the situation requires, like a duty (above), robotically, but she is still human (not a robot), so her repressed/ suppressed emotions eventually rise up to her awareness and overwhelm her enough to quit (a job, a partner). She then rests and resume effective compartmentalization.

    She said I didn’t need to do too much in the relationship, as in no need to be so deliberate and buy gifts/ celebrate too elaborate on occasion..“- I don’t think that she lost feelings for you because you didn’t buy her gifts and go celebrating.

    “Or may be, she just unconsciously want this to slip away?“- she felt burned out in the relationship => she quit.

    She decided on a breakup, but she seemed to be devastated by the fact that she needed to move out.. as if she did not know breaking up =… she needed to move out from the house“- she was too burned out to think ahead (about moving out). Like you shared above, after she quit her job, she took a break (didn’t look for another job). Similarly, she quit you and took a break, in your house (not looking for another place to live).

    I used to be the one who shared her emotions and gave her a lot insights on herself and on the situations (she said she valued how I help her analyze the work dynamic and emotions/ feelings which is one of my strength indeed)“- your insight couldn’t have changed her lifetime habit (by now) of suppressing emotions=> emotions erupt=> burnout=> she quits and rests (not planning ahead).

    After yesterday, I did ask my friends and I did think if I managed anything wrongly… she just goes with the flow, and now obviously she is someone who does not prioritize me as well“- (1) I don’t think that you were wrong, in any way, shape, or form, to ask her to move out ASAP of your own house, after she broke up with you, (2) seems to me that going with the flow, for her, means something like this: suppressing emotions=> emotions erupt=> burnout=> quitting and resting=> repeat.

    My second therapy session tonight, I will see if my therapist has any insight and see if she can help me deal with my frustration better“- how did it go?

    anita

    #435864
    Chau
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Thanks. I agree with all you said. It does look like her pattern, I didn’t really consciously thought about it, and I am sure she didn’t realize it until this day. How ironic it is that I seemd to have found some of her patterns, that she didn’t even realize, AFTER we break up.

    I am very used to putting the blame on myself when things go  wrong, I guess that’s where i doubted if I was wrong, did I sound too harsh, did I do xxx yy zz that casused this. I think I have asked myself, and around, it seems asking her to move out ASAP is the best, for the both of us actually. It is important to hold her responsible for what she has chosen.

    The therapy went very well. On top of updating my therapist on the current situation. I brought up my childhood trauma/ emotional distress. Despite the chaos happening at home with my parents, I was able to find a moment which I was hugged by my mother when there was one time I was very upset, probably at 8 or9 years old. I sat on that image, and my therapist said that was the moment when i was securely attached, and she digged deeper into the texture of that memory. I have tears in my eyes just recalling this, and I do feel a sense of warmth coming up from my chest now. Last week my friend did some somatic experiencing with me, I hugged this stuffed animal and I felt I was hugging my inner child, in my imaginatary exercise, I hugged my little child.

    My therapist also said, I am used to caring for others, at times like this, I should also be taken care by others, like a carefree dinner with my friends.

    I realized the lifegoal of my ex and myself are different also. She is still exploring and experimenting life, while i am very ready, and may be wanting to have a home/ even family of my own.

    I felt more secure, and my heart is definitely clearer after today’s session.

    Clara

     

    #435868
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    You are welcome! “How ironic it is that I seemed to have found some of her patterns, that she didn’t even realize, AFTER we break up“- it doesn’t surprise me that you are getting to know her better after the breakup because you were not exposed to her behaviors after breaking up with you.. before she actually did.

    I am very used to putting the blame on myself when things go  wrong, I guess that’s where I doubted if I was wrong… it seems asking her to move out ASAP is the best, for the both of us actually. It is important to hold her responsible for what she has chosen”– absolutely! You did nothing wrong when you asked her to move out ASAP. It was the right thing to do.

    The therapy went very well… I was able to find a moment which I was hugged by my mother when there was one time I was very upset, probably at 8 or 9 years old. I sat on that image, and my therapist said that was the moment when I was securely attached… I have tears in my eyes just recalling this, and I do feel a sense of warmth coming up from my chest now“- a moment of secure attachment 3 decades ago brings tears to your eyes today.. this is how precious secure attachment (the feeling of safety) is. One can rest in such a memory.

    Last week… I hugged this stuffed animal and I felt I was hugging my inner child, in my imaginary exercise, I hugged my little child“- hug the 8 or 9 years-old Clara, prolong that memorable hug.

    My therapist also said, I am used to caring for others, at times like this, I should also be taken care by others, like a carefree dinner with my friends“- I very much like your therapist’s input.

    I realized the lifegoal of my ex and myself are different also. She is still exploring and experimenting life, while I am very ready, and may be wanting to have a home/ even family of my own“- she is exploring and experimenting, but repeating a pattern that keeps her the same. You are ready for something different, for a change in yourself and in your experience of life in the context of a romantic relationship: this is exciting!

    I felt more secure, and my heart is definitely clearer after today’s session.“- good thing. Whenever you need to, re-read this sentence, this whole post you just submitted. And please post again anytime you fee like it.

    anita

    #436003
    anita
    Participant

    Hoping things are well with you, Clara.

    anita

    #436044
    Chau
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Thanks for checking in. I feel ok, obviously I have some ups and downs, but definitely a lot more ups than downs. Or, more neutal/ calm than downs.

    I think asking her move away ASAP is the right thing to do, I just didn’t know whether the ‘how’ is ‘ok’, and the emotions in between is ‘ok’ or not, like I told her off and said she was an idiot for not thinking ahead, at the time she was late in moving her stuffs etc(saying this I still stand for myself in saying she handles this in sloppy way, for me it’s a basic respect but i think i should just point that out directly,  instead of saying she is an idiot)

    Re the secure attachment, it is very interesting to see how once that episode of secure attachment with my mom when I was 8 or 9 year old was realized, more episodes of positive ones emerged even with my then very emotional explosive father. I can  recall scenarios where he is being a ‘father figure’ and took care and protected me. My friend said we all have comfirmation bias so may be once I didn’t focus on the scary/ negativies family situations, I recalled a lot more positive ones. I have grown from there and it is as if my lens for my family has changed.

    There is a sense of calmness when I am at my parents home now, previously i felt easier irritated by little things.

    So i think, this is definitely a huge plus of her leaving me. It made me dig into my past and help to amend things.

    The other day, I gave my mom a proper, big hug. As asian we don’t really show that much affection, so it has been, I dun even know how many years that I gave her a proper hug. Very interestingly she almost hugged me immediately without hesitation, without feeling awkward at all, and I think she enjoyed the hug as much as I did. I was trying to solidify that secure attachment feelings and I think it worked.

    My secure attachment has reminded me of the movie inside out. where Riley built her core memory/ personality island because she was so sad that she lost her game, and her family and friends hugged her and soothed. I think this is similar case to me, where my mother hugged and soothed me when I was upset, and this should have built my ‘family island’

    The whole realization of the secure attachment, calmed my nervous system so well that it is hard to believe i just broke up with my partner of 5 years only two weeks ago. I think it’s because I am not adding extra burden to myself by the usual fear / sadness of abandonment habit. I think I have let go of that storyline.

    I got myself some plants today, she doesn’t prefer too many plants since she doesn’t like to have too many things at home. now that her things are gone I have plenty of space and I am trying to fill the places with things i like. i am actually quite happy about some changes that are happening at home

    So, thanks for asking anita, I will update again. Or ask again if you are curious of how I am 🙂

    #436056
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    You are welcome, and thank you for the invitation to ask you again how you are feeling/ doing.  “I have some ups and downs, but definitely a lot more ups than downs. Or, more neutral/ calm than downs“- recovery in-progress!

    I think asking her move away ASAP is the right thing to do“- yes, it was the right thing to do.

    I just didn’t know whether the ‘how’ is ‘ok’, and the emotions in between is ‘ok’ or not, like I told her off and said she was an idiot...”- emotions get messy during difficult, challenging times. We are not a perfect specimen, as you know. When I say things I regret later on, I make a mental note of what not to say in a similar situation in the future, and I pretty much let go of it.

    I have grown from there and it is as if my lens for my family has changed. There is a sense of calmness when I am at my parents home now, previously I felt easier irritated by little things. So, I think, this is definitely a huge plus of her leaving me… The other day, I gave my mom a proper, big hug. As Asian we don’t really show that much affection…  Very interestingly she almost hugged me immediately without hesitation… I was trying to solidify that secure attachment feelings and I think it worked… this should have built my ‘family island’…The whole realization of the secure attachment, calmed my nervous system– excellent attitude and work, Clara!

    I got myself some plants today… Now that her things are gone I have plenty of space and I am trying to fill the places with things I like“- I think that to fill the space left by her moving out with plants is a way better choice, at this point, than to fill it in with a pet, or a tattoo. Good progress overall, Clara, I am impressed!

    anita

    #436298
    Chau
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Hi, can’t believe another week has passed by.

    I am slowly adjusting to my pace. I begin to get used to being alone in the house. Honestly I have always been a person who can be alone. I travel alone, i watch movie alone, i go jog alone, and enjoy it. I enjoy being with her since I also be myself, most of the time, or at least happily accommodate most of the time when I was with her. But otherwise, I actually can be by myself.

    There were days when I thought about the past and her, and that there was a few times i burst into tears. Yesterday she returned something and put it in the lobby of my building. I don’t know why but I cried immediately when I stepped foot in my flat. I think this is another evidence that she is not coming back, probably that’s why. She still has something left in my flat, I realized today when I was digging things out. I guess she missed that part of the flat.

    If she came back today, I think I would still want to be together. I still miss her quite a lot, and my heart aches from to time.However, I also feel that I am moving on to find myself and to try to see other people and the world. Not that I would  committ to anything or anyone at this point, or actively looking for a relationship. but I guess it’s not harm to see the world and explore it a bit. O

    On top of the plant, I also got some photos of my family and my travel, and I hang them around the house. I feel this made the flat belongs to me a bit more.

    Hope all is well on your side.

    Clara

    #436304
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara:

    I realized yesterday that it was 6 days since you last posted and was going to submit a how-are-you inquiry post, but knew that I was going to be out for the rest of the day and wouldn’t be able to answer (at least not thoroughly) if you answered on the same day. Good to read from you today, a week following your last post!

    I am slowly adjusting to my pace. I begin to get used to being alone in the house… Yesterday she returned something and put it in the lobby of my building. I don’t know why but I cried immediately when I stepped foot in my flat… She still has something left in my flat“- I wish that she’d return all that belongs to you, and take all that belongs to her, all at once, so to no longer re-ignite your attachment to her. It isn’t fair to you!

    If she came back today, I think I would still want to be together… However, I also feel that I am moving on to find myself and to try to see other people and the world“- a moving on to the New while still attached to the Old: this is what healing from a breakup is about.

    I also got some photos of my family and my travel, and I hang them around the house. I feel this made the flat belongs to me a bit more.“- bit by bit: well done, Clara!

    anita

     

    #436326
    Chau
    Participant

    Hello Anita

    What a coincidence that you were thinking to leave a message for me. thanks for checking on me. how has life been treating you?

    I guess it was too rush for her to think through and to give me my stuff, i honestly dont know why she couldnt do it in one go.

    for the things that are still left in my flat, i believe she really missed that part. having said that, her pillow was left behind on my bed, and i just needed to put it aside. but i guess this is coherent to how she has been, she didnt think through the breakup seriously and things just seem sloppy.

    this sloppiness has inevitably sparkled some feelings inside me. and there were times i found mysef checking her on social media, and affected by any updates. there were times i found myself checking whether she read my stories in instagram etc. I am constantly finding myself trying to move on, and wanting to connect with her.

    the day she returned her keys to me, she left me a message. and it sounded cold to me. but afterall, what do i expect? she blantely told me she had no feelings for me. I felt a fool as i mailed her the bday gift i prepared for her, months ago, before any of these happened. I was thinking to throw it away or use it myself or give it to someone else. but since this was meant to me for her, i mailed it anyways.

    i know there is no other way than to not contacting or stalking her, contacting doesnt help anyway, this will only create resentment( may be eventually from both sides). but there is some anger and frustration inside me , thay cannot be elimiated because of how she handled this, there are times when i really wanted to call and scold, or to contact simply.

    the first two weeks were ok for me, but as the third week approached in the beginning of this week, i felt i missed her a lot and really wanted to reconnect, possibly because i knew she was back from her business trip and is back.

    i guess its a phase but sometime i do struggle

    thanks for listening

     

     

    #436331
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara: I will read and reply this evening (morning here).

    anita

    #436345
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Clara: too tired to read and reply this evening. I will tomorrow!

    anita

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