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  • #447329
    anita
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    Dear Alessa:

    Thank you for your thoughtful message. So much of what you said really spoke to me—especially the part about how the brain treats emotional pain like physical pain. That explains a lot about why it can feel so overwhelming.

    I also really connected with what you said about blaming yourself when there’s no clear cause. I’ve done that too—thinking, “It must be me.” But like you said, it’s not true.

    Your words about accepting reality, even when it’s hard, felt calming. And the idea of shifting from fixing to simply coping and enduring—that’s something I want to hold onto.

    Thank you again for sharing. It helped me feel less alone. ❤️

    With warmth, Anita

    #448085
    Peter
    Participant

    I have been exploring the Sufi way of using story to dissolve illusion with the warmth of metaphor and contrast that with Zen koan to ‘jolt’ the mind into silence.

    Ways of Seeing

    The Koan: The Two Mirrors (my attempt at a koan)
    A student asked the master,
    “Two mirrors face each other. What do they see?”
    The master replied,
    “When the wind moves the curtain, they forget to reflect.”
    The student said,
    “Then what remains?”
    The master smiled,
    “The dust dances, and the room breathes.”
    ________________________________________

    The Sufi Story: Nasrudin and the Lost Key
    Nasrudin was on his hands and knees under a streetlamp.
    A passerby asked, “What are you doing?”
    “I’m looking for my key,” Nasrudin replied.
    “Where did you lose it?”
    “Inside the house.”
    “Then why are you looking out here?”
    “Because the light is better here.”
    ________________________________________

    Between paradox and parable, a space opens and illusion of separation fades.
    Life not to solve, but to sit with. Not to answer, but to ask again.
    Where am I looking?
    What am I seeing?
    And what might be waiting in the quiet between reflections?

    #448087
    Peter
    Participant

    Synchronicity reading this mornings CAC meditation on ‘Torn as a Gift’ I would add a third voice

    The CAC Reflection: The Thorn and the Mercy
    Paul begged for his thorn to be removed.
    God said no.
    “My grace is sufficient for you.”
    The thorn remained.
    So did the mercy.
    So did the love.
    And Paul learned to give thanks for the thorn.

    Sitting in the tension of the questions I wonder…
    Can we sit with discomfort long enough to see what it reveals?
    Can we search in the dark even if it scares us?
    Can we stop searching for perfect and start cooperating with grace?

    #448098
    anita
    Participant

    Good morning, Peter:

    Discomfort → Grace → Transformation.

    You talked about transformation through grace many times.

    A little while ago, you mentioned Lewis B. Smedes’s book “Shame and Grace: Healing the Shame We Don’t Deserve”.

    He presents Grace as a Healing Presence that meets us in our Brokenness.

    Grace, in this context, is a quiet companion that sits with us when we feel most unworthy and says, “You are still beloved.”

    Grace doesn’t rush us to change—it stays with us as we are.

    It doesn’t bypass pain—it enters it.

    It doesn’t erase shame—it re-narrates it.

    Lewis Smedes writes: “Grace is the one word for all that God does for us that we do not deserve.” And also: “The grace of God accepts us even though we are unacceptable.”-

    Grace doesn’t wait for us to become acceptable—it makes us whole by loving us as we are.

    Many associate worth with achievement: “I must earn love.” Grace says, “You are already loved.”

    Pride resists surrender. Fear resists trust. Control resists vulnerability. Grace asks us to lay those down, even momentarily. But even momentarily, laying down these defenses can feel disorienting, like standing unarmored in the middle of a battlefield and hoping not to be struck.

    When people have been harmed by those who were supposed to be safe, gentleness starts to resemble danger: a calm tone might mask manipulation, kindness may turn cruel at any time, vulnerability might lead to punishment. And so, grace—the quiet, unconditional offering of love or presence—can feel suspect. The nervous system doesn’t trust it yet.

    Sometimes, rejecting grace becomes habitual—like pushing away warmth because cold feels familiar. People turn away from it not because they don’t want it, but because they don’t believe it’s really for them.

    Grace isn’t just a spiritual concept. It’s relational. Emotional. Neural. Do I accept it this morning? I just felt a bit suspicious of it.. as if I don’t deserve it.. yet (but working on it)-

    But then Grace says: “Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it” (Clint Eastwood’s words in Unforgiven).

    So perhaps that’s the point. I neither deserve nor don’t deserve Grace. It’s not about earning or failing—it’s about needing it.

    And Grace, generous as it is, responds not to merit, but to need. Not because I’m good enough. Not because I’ve suffered enough. But because I am.

    Anita

    #448099
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    This is a amazing realization, and if your like me the challenge becomes how to turn insight into being. A question as you know I’ve asked myself, what if we live what we say we believed/know

    These words I feel as a Truth: “When people have been harmed by those who were supposed to be safe, gentleness starts to resemble danger: a calm tone might mask manipulation, kindness may turn cruel at any time, vulnerability might lead to punishment. And so, grace—the quiet, unconditional offering of love or presence—can feel suspect. The nervous system doesn’t trust it yet.”

    I feel the task here isn’t a perfect answer or solution that settles things once and for all but to be aware and the tension such a realization creates. Maybe when we sit in that tension we might become better able to respond when its triggered and not react. And of course offer ourselves and others grace when we stumble.

    And these words resonate: “Pride resists surrender. Fear resists trust. Control resists vulnerability. Grace asks us to lay those down, even momentarily. But even momentarily, laying down these defenses can feel disorienting, like standing unarmored in the middle of a battlefield and hoping not to be struck”.

    That feeling of disorientation, especially when feeling unseen and misunderstood, I know it well.

    Yet I’ve come to know that disorientation is a window to possibility of learning! For reasons beyond my comprehension, like Paul’s thorn, is it though holding tension that we grow not so much in answered questions. Tension the fertilizer of growth, as every butterfly knows.

    Where might grace be waiting to be trusted?

    _________________________________________________

    Exploring the Sufi way this is a attempt to create a story from the above

    A seeker came to a Mirror, burdened by the ache of being misunderstood and unseen.

    “I have insight,” the seeker said, “but I do not know how to become it.”

    The Mirror nodded and handed the seeker two things: a thorn and a cocoon.
    “Carry these,” the Mirror said, “and walk.”

    The seeker walked for many days. The thorn pricked with every step while the cocoon remained silent.
    One day, the seeker sat beneath a fig tree and cried out, “Why must I carry pain to grow? Why must I feel disoriented when I try to trust?”

    The fig tree whispered, “When gentleness has once been danger, even grace feels like a trap.”

    The thorn pulsed in the seeker’s hand. The cocoon trembled.
    And then, a butterfly emerged, the cocoon breaking open create from the tension between the thorn and the question.

    A voice beneath the Silence spoke “You asked how to become your insight,”
    “You are invited to sit in the tension, not solve it.
    You are invited to feel the disorientation, not flee it.
    You are invited to offer and receive grace, even when your pride resists, your fear recoils, and your control clings.”

    “But it hurts,” said the seeker.

    “Yes,” said the voice beneath the Silence. “And yet, every butterfly knows: tension is the air of flight.”

    #448103
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    I think what has helped me is that understanding that underlying conflict is often a desire to connect.

    Seeing the whole of a person over time, helps me to have faith in them. Not just how they interact with me, but how they interact with others.

    Understanding that language is imperfect, it is easy to hurt others unintentionally. Trying to understand the perspectives of people who might have misunderstood me is important and trying to avoid misunderstandings is too.

    Unconditional love is about understanding that even good people sometimes make mistakes, because no one is perfect. It involves having faith that when someone makes mistakes it isn’t about me. Perhaps something else is going on in their life? Perhaps they are just not feeling so good? Perhaps they are dealing with past trauma?

    Giving people chances to prove that my fears are unfounded is helpful.

    Of course, all of this applies to good people.

    ❤️ ❤️

    #448129
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    I wasn’t aware of your post before I submitted my latest SOCJ earlier this morning, half an hour before I came across your post. These are the parallels I see:

    “a butterfly emerged, the cocoon breaking open…”—that is what I experienced in the last day or two: separating from my mother mentally and emotionally, undoing a decades-long enmeshment.

    In my SOCJ, I wrote: “It feels like I extricated my mother from the parts of my brain where she does not belong… There is Me, and then, there is She, separate entities… The enmeshment is gone (what a relief!).”-

    So yes—the cocoon splitting open, the emergence—that’s me.

    You also wrote: “If you’re like me, the challenge becomes how to turn insight into being.”- That’s another parallel. What I shared in my SOCJ wasn’t just a realization—it was a felt shift. Insight finally becoming embodiment. Finally, the internal separation happened, and I am feeling like a teenager forming her own sense of self, excited, joyful.

    “A voice beneath the Silence spoke “You asked how to become your insight, ”You are invited to sit in the tension, not solve it. You are invited to feel the disorientation, not flee it.”-

    I did try to solve the tension and the disorientation for a long, long time, but I didn’t sit with it.. until I did. Your post puts words and imagery to what’s just happened inside me.

    Thank you, Peter! And again, I didn’t see your post until half an hour after submitting my own. The timing feels sacred.

    Warmly, Anita

    #448133
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    I think grace works in two ways. Grace for yourself and grace for others. I think both are mutually important. All people are equal, deserve equal respect and it is beneficial to co-operate and show love. ❤️

    #448142
    Alessa
    Participant

    Extending grace towards others means having courage to open our hearts and consider others perspectives. Needs of people are often different. This means that people are often hurt if things aren’t handled very carefully.

    #448143
    Alessa
    Participant

    It means having the courage to sit with another person’s feelings and hold space for them even when they are uncomfortable. ❤️

    #448157
    Peter
    Participant

    Anita – “Insight finally becoming embodiment” – I really like that

    Alessa – A definition of grace has having courage, resonates as a truth. In recent conversations, I’ve noticed how compassion is experienced in many ways. For some, it is the gentle firmness of self-care and boundaries. For others as a dissolving of separation and the recognition of unity. Yet I don’t feel that as a contradiction, and that both can be true in the very same movement.

    Here I think mind and language struggles as it wants to define, to separate, to measure. But compassion lives in the spaces between words, in the silence that holds both the boundary and the boundlessness. And as you note that takes courage that is also grace. A trust that truth can be felt even when it cannot be fully said.

    #448158
    Peter
    Participant

    A story I’ve been working on over the last few days

    The Boundary and the Boundlessness

    In a quiet valley nestled between two mountains, there lived an old gardener named Zahir who tended two gardens.
    The first garden was enclosed by a low stone wall. Inside, herbs and vegetables grew in neat rows. Zahir watered them daily, pulled weeds, and spoke to each plant by name. He knew which ones needed shade, which ones needed space, and which ones thrived with a little neglect. Visitors often came to admire the order and health of this garden.

    The second garden lay beyond the wall, wild and boundless. Flowers bloomed in unexpected places, vines curled around ancient trees, and the wind carried seeds from faraway lands. Zahir never planted here. He only walked, listened, and sometimes sat for hours beneath the sky. Few visited this garden, for it had no path, no gate, and no map.

    Sometimes, the mist would settle over the gardens like a veil, softening every edge. And sometimes, when Zahir sat still enough, he could feel the pulse of the earth beneath him like a heartbeat, slow and steady, reminding him that life moved even when nothing seemed to change.

    One day, a young traveler named Layla arrived. She had heard of Zahir’s wisdom and asked to learn the secret of compassion.

    Zahir smiled and handed her two seeds. “Plant one in the walled garden,” he said, “and one in the wild.”

    Layla did as she was told. The seed in the walled garden grew strong and straight, nourished by care and protected from harm. The seed in the wild garden grew crooked and luminous, touched by moonlight and mystery.

    After many seasons, Layla returned, confused.

    “Master Zahir,” she said, “the first seed grew because I tended it. The second grew without me. One needed boundaries, the other needed freedom. Which is compassion?”

    Zahir looked at her gently. “Both,” he said. “Compassion is the gardener, not the garden. It knows when to build walls and when to walk beyond them. It speaks the language of care in many dialects.”

    Layla frowned. “But the wild garden has no rules. Doesn’t compassion dissolve boundaries?”

    Zahir picked up a fallen leaf and held it to the light. “This leaf,” he said, “was once part of a tree. It fell, not because the tree rejected it, but because the wind called it elsewhere. Boundaries are not prisons. They are invitations to know where you begin, so you may know where you end… and then forget both.”

    Layla sat in silence, watching the wind stir both gardens.

    And in that silence, she understood: Compassion is not the absence of boundaries, nor the presence of them, this not a contradiction, only different petals of the same flower.

    Zahir smiled, “It is the gardener who listens to the seed, not the wind of old words that tries to shape its bloom.”

    She pondered this, and three voices rose beneath the Silence.

    The first came as a breeze brushing the soil, asking gently, “Which seed will rise, and which will sleep?” And the soil did not answer. It only held.

    The second shimmered like mist over the wild garden, whispering, “Do not seek to name the dance. Just feel its rhythm.” And the mist did not explain. It only embraced.

    The third pulsed like a heartbeat beneath her ribs, murmuring, “The path is chosen before the mind draws its map.” And the heart did not argue. It only opened.

    #448167
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    Your story is brilliant.

    “He knew which ones needed shade, which ones needed space, and which ones thrived with a little neglect.”-

    In human terms, he knew that some people thrive when you offer steady presence and care—like giving shade. Some need freedom and autonomy—space to find themselves without pressure. And some find their strength when you step back and let them wrestle with life on their own—neglect not as abandonment, but as trust in their resilience.

    The neat garden is the temporal existence: measurement, labels, separation.

    “The second garden lay beyond the wall, wild and boundless.”- That’s the eternal—no separation, no labels, no measurement.

    “The first seed grew because I tended it. The second grew without me. One needed boundaries, the other needed freedom. Which is compassion?”- Before reading his answer, I knew it was “both.”

    “(Compassion) knows when to build walls and when to walk beyond them. It speaks the language of care in many dialects.”- Compassion doesn’t mean being endlessly open or available. Sometimes, the most loving thing you can do is set a boundary:

    * Protecting your well-being from emotional harm

    * Saying no to toxic dynamics

    * Creating space for clarity and healing

    These “walls” aren’t punishments—they’re acts of care. Like fences around a garden, they preserve growth and protect what’s tender.

    Other times, compassion asks us to soften, stretch, or step beyond the boundary:

    * Offering understanding after someone sincerely admits fault

    * Letting closeness deepen when trust is earned

    * Choosing grace where judgment might be easier

    It’s not contradiction—it’s discernment. Compassion knows the difference between self-sacrifice/ self-erasure, and heart-expansion.

    Compassion isn’t one-size-fits-all—it changes based on what’s needed. For one person, care might mean sitting silently beside them. For another, it’s calling out a harmful pattern. And sometimes, it means walking away without apology.

    “Boundaries are not prisons. They are invitations to know where you begin, so you may know where you end… and then forget both.”-Boundaries often get mistaken for walls that shut people out or isolate us. But in truth:

    They’re not punishment—they’re protection. They’re not rigid—they’re responsive. They’re not fear-driven—they’re clarity-driven

    Boundaries invite authenticity, not restriction. They create a frame where your true self can move freely, without being overrun.

    Without boundaries, it’s easy to lose your sense of “me” in someone else’s chaos, urgency, or projections. To know where you begin is to reclaim agency and voice. Boundaries help you identify where you stop and the other begins:

    * What’s mine vs. what’s theirs? Where does my responsibility end? When am I merging, absorbing, or abandoning myself?

    Boundaries guard against emotional enmeshment and relational self-erasure… against the belly-up posture I habitually took.

    “Zahir smiled, ‘It is the gardener who listens to the seed, not the wind of old words that tries to shape its bloom.’”- The gardener here is the one who nurtures life attentively—not by imposing, but by listening. They hear the potential whispering from within the seed. They honor the seed’s unique rhythm, rather than forcing it into a mold

    They recognize that growth requires presence, not control

    To listen to the seed is to be guided by what wants to become—not what others expect it to be. It’s a metaphor for relational attunement—parenting, mentoring, or loving with patience and curiosity.

    The “wind of old words” symbolizes, for me, the voices of shame, doubt, or cultural expectations. These winds try to dictate how the seed should bloom—how a person should grow, speak, love, exist. But wind is external. It may be loud, persuasive—but it doesn’t truly know the seed.

    This line is a radical act of compassion: It urges us to cultivate from the inside out, not the outside in. To be the kind of presence that listens instead of labels. To trust what’s emerging—even if it doesn’t match what the winds once declared.

    It’s about tending the seed instead of yielding to the wind.

    “’Do not seek to name the dance. Just feel its rhythm.’ And the mist did not explain. It only embraced. ‘The path is chosen before the mind draws its map.’ And the heart did not argue. It only opened.”- This speaks to the urge we often have to define, categorize, or make sense of what we’re experiencing emotionally, or spiritually.

    But some things, especially the most profound, can’t be named. They’re meant to be felt, not explained. Like: a moment of connection you didn’t plan for, a truth that arrives without words, an instinct to choose grace instead of retaliation

    Naming is the mind’s attempt to control. But feeling the rhythm is the soul’s way of moving with life.

    And that final line—“The heart did not argue. It only opened.”- That’s when we stop trying to explain everything and simply walk forward.

    WOW, Peter!

    Anita (and Copilot)

    #448174
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Everyone

    It is a nice story Peter! Thank you for sharing. I only wish I didn’t get so confused with metaphors. ❤️

    Personally, I find compassion and self-compassion are equally important. With effort it is possible to learn to manage them both in a way that is healthy for everyone. Managing both simultaneously is difficult to learn to do though. It takes a lot of time and practice. A lot of listening and reflecting, empathising with another person’s experience.

    Like Yin and Yang, they can form a whole method of communication. I’m still learning. I just realized today that it isn’t just about communication per say, but feelings and beliefs can scare us. Not just our own, but other peoples. I’m not sure how to navigate this yet. My immediate guess is a combination of challenging my own perspectives, self-regulation and being more open with positive feedback to reassure people. I’ll see how it goes. ❤️

    I guess it is true what they say, mind your thoughts because other people pick up on them somewhat. 😂

    #448182
    Alessa
    Participant

    I find that a lot of people even those who try their best and are genuinely good people are completely unaware of unhealthy behaviours. It isn’t really possible to know something that hasn’t been taught after all. It takes a lot to seek to move past what we know and be open to learning a new style of communication. These things are genuinely hard because they are not taught unless you are in a helping profession or are simply interested in learning about communication techniques for whatever reason. It is a bit of a minefield learning to communicate in healthy ways. ❤️

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