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  • #451613
    anita
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    * Double posing.. see above. Will read your most recent post later 😊

    #451614
    Peter
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    That’s kind of you to say Anita and being published would be cool however I don’t think I’ve actually written anything that hasn’t been written about before. Mostly I take thoughts from various wisdom traditions, thinkers, old journal entries and all the quotes I’ve collected and play with them. Then wonder how how the observations have played out for me.

    #451615
    anita
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    Hi, hey.. dear Peter:

    J. Krishnamurti reached you: “‘The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear.’ – J. Krishnamurti. That line struck something deep in me…

    “Krishnamurti once said, ‘It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.’ His words helped me see that much of what I called identity was simply adaptation, beliefs inherited, roles assumed, boundaries drawn in fear.

    “Letting go of that scaffolding felt like death at first, and in a way it was. But what emerged was not emptiness, but presence. Not meaning imposed but meaning arising…

    “I don’t think I’ve actually written anything that hasn’t been written about before.”-

    I don’t think anyone, including Krishnamurti, has written anything that hasn’t been written or thought of before.

    It’s about reaching people who haven’t reached by wise others, resaying or rewriting things in a way that reaches those who haven’t been reached before, making this or that other person say: Oh.. ah.. it never occurred to me before.

    As clever as Krishnamurti has been, you, Peter can reach people who Krishnamurti hasn’t or couldn’t reach, not by new thoughts, but by new presentations of those thoughts, and developing those new thoughts further.

    A new delivery. Peter’s own delivery, Peter’s words, Peter’s very personal, concrete, felt experience…

    I hope I am making sense (🍷 involved). Please let me know.

    🤍 Anita

    #451638
    Peter
    Participant

    Perfect sense Anita 🙂

    #451639
    anita
    Participant

    You made my day, Peter, and the day just started 😊!

    #451672
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    How are you doing?

    Yes, I agree. ❤️

    Lately, I have been thinking about the social aspect of being human.

    I feel like language doesn’t just divide, it also connects.

    Being a parent, of a young child means often feeling alone. Even in the presence of others. It means a lot of giving and it’s very busy. It is not out of cruelty this loneliness. It is just a bit isolating by its nature. Time that was once devoted to other things, now has to be repurposed.

    As a parent it is clear that language is a great tool for emotional regulation as well.

    Even without language, we are compelled to make noise. Crying to appeal for help. Squealing, to show excitement. Laughter encourage repetition of an enjoyable behaviour.

    The frustration that non-verbal children feel at not being understood is palpable.

    I love my son, but now that his words are coming in, I look forward to understanding him more. He’s very straightforward at the moment.

    I wasn’t thinking about language when it comes to emotional contagion. Although it is true that even babies who don’t understand speech can sense emotion and in turn feel it themselves through tone.

    Touch is another medium for sharing emotion. A baby that is touched by an emotional parent, even without verbalising these feelings will sense their parents emotions and express them as their own.

    It makes me wonder as social creatures, how much of our emotions are truly our own? We assign so much value to a phenomenon which really is intended to help us understand and empathise with others.

    I cannot help but think of people who are uncomfortable with emotion and don’t have the emotional skills necessary to manage it. It’s fascinating to me, that science is exploring such things. ❤️

    #451705
    Peter
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    Hi Alessa
    I’m well, how are things for you?

    I agree, language is what lets us connect and share with each other. I sometimes wonder if ego-consciousness itself could even exist without language. I’m not sure the ego and language can be separated. Then because language works in opposites, this vs. that, self vs. other, it can quietly divide us and even create suffering if we don’t notice how it frames things. So I see it as both: language connects us deeply, but it also shapes boundaries we may not intend.

    Your point about touch is a great example. A baby naturally responds to touch with comfort, but as we grow up, language can construct meanings around touch. This may be though internal dialog or external dialog taught to us. Even when parents intend compassion, the language they use can overwrite that direct experience… a child might feel comfort naturally, but if the surrounding language frames touch as suspicious or shameful, the experience becomes conflicted.

    We can even see how, historically, language constructs was used intentionally to overwrite the direct experience of touch. Touch as something… ‘sinful’.. the language not always but sometimes so… best to error on the side of caution…

    – “You’re shy,” “You’re smart,” “You’re difficult.” These labels can shape how a child sees themselves long after the moment passes.
    – “Don’t cry,” “Be strong,” “That’s bad.” Language here doesn’t just describe feelings it teaches which ones are acceptable.

    As Alan Watts once said, “We seldom realize that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own. For we think in terms of languages and images which we did not invent, but which were given to us by our society.” That’s exactly the tension I’m pointing to, language connects us, but it also quietly scripts us.

    Funny I was thinking if I were ever to write a book a theme would be about how mistaking the map for the territory as the primary source of our suffering. Maps/language meant to help us navigate connection, community, meaning trapping us into division, suffering, when we forget. Which I suspect is why all wisdom traditions, in their own way, point us back to stillness and silence. In silence, the maps fall away, and we return to the territory itself, direct experience, unmediated by words.

    #451808
    Alessa
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    Hi Peter

    I’m glad to hear that you’re well. ❤️ Things are good thanks 😊

    I do believe that they can be separate. That is because I had a male husky with a massive ego and PTSD. I suppose behaviour is a substitute for language, a different form of communication. Just having the faculties for memory and pattern recognition is enough.

    Yes, I agree. It is unique how society dictates how we respond to things. This is as true for dogs, as it is for people because they pick up on feelings.

    I did recently hear about an experience of a woman who had experienced SA as a child and had been doing really well in her life. Then one day she watched a reality show where women were talking about their experiences of SA as children. It restructured how she thought of her experience and she developed PTSD. Fascinating stuff.

    Yes, I do think about these things having a child. I try my best and still wonder if something I say will hurt him one day.

    I will say that the opposite can be true. As much as language can hurt, it can heal. It is always fascinating to me when learning something new leads to a radical shift in perspective.

    I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. Experience. Instead of worrying so much, it is helpful to be open to experiences.

    You can have all of the best intentions, but worrying itself can be a closed minded perspective. I don’t mean you, Peter by the way. 😊

    Thanks so much for sharing! Sorry I’m so busy at the moment. ❤️

    #451940
    anita
    Participant

    How are you, Peter? It’s been 9 days since you posted last. I would love to read from you again 🤍

    #452094
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Everyone. Its been pretty quite for me… of late and I’ve found myself contemplating the sparrow once trapped in the silo. What if the soul’s freedom is not found in escaping gravity, but in learning the dance between flight and return?

    Sparrow Flight

    A sparrow lifts on morning air, its wings affirm the sky is near,
    the call of freedom, light, and flight, a song that rises, pure and clear.

    Yet gravity denies its claim, the earth recalls it back again,
    the weight of matter, root, and stone, the tether binding wing to bone.

    Between the pull and upward reach, a rhythm forms, a balanced speech,
    the dance of soaring, falling too, a harmony both old and new.

    So soul, like sparrow, learns to be, reconciled now in three.
    From silence born, through motion spun, returning home when flight is done.

    The Sparrows flight a mirror. In its rising and falling, we see the rhythm of our own lives: the longing to transcend and the inevitability of return. Life a balance between aspiration and limitation, freedom and gravity, spirit and matter, longing and return. The soul, like the sparrow, must learn to embrace both the soaring moments and the inevitable return to earth. True harmony comes not from denying either force, but from reconciling them.

    Voices Along the Way…
    Here I can hear Campbell saying that the sparrow’s flight is the call to adventure. It rises toward the sky, answering the eternal summons of the hero’s journey. Yet gravity is the threshold guardian, reminding us that every ascent must face resistance. The rhythm of rising and falling—that is the myth itself, the cycle of departure, initiation, and return.

    Krishnamurti I think would point out that the sparrow is not a symbol. It is simply life. The flight and the fall are not opposites to be reconciled, but movements to be observed without division. Freedom is not escape from gravity; it is awareness of the whole movement, without resistance, without choice. In seeing the flight and the return as one, there is harmony.

    A Practical voice might say man is not the sparrow. He is bound by mechanical laws, asleep in his habits. Gravity is not only physical, it is the inertia of unconscious life. To rise requires conscious effort, inner work, the struggle against sleep. Only then can the soul balance its centers and awaken to real being. The return home is not death, but awakening to oneself.

    Then Rumi whispers that the sparrow’s wings are woven of longing. Its flight is the soul’s yearning for union with the Beloved. Gravity is not an enemy, but the lover’s hand pulling us back to the earth, reminding us that love is both ascent and return. The dance of rising and falling is the music of existence. When the sparrow returns home, it does not end, it dissolves into love, into silence, into the One.

    The Sparrow’s Song a Dance of Flight

    A sparrow lifts, the hero’s call, its wings remember myth in all.
    Yet flight and fall are not opposed, they are one movement, whole, disclosed.

    Bound by law, asleep in dream, we struggle upward through the stream.
    Awake! Awake! The work is near, to balance soul, to see it clear.

    But love is sky, and love is ground, in every fall, the Beloved found.
    The dance of rising, falling too, is union’s song, both old and new.

    So myth and seeing, work and flame, are not divided, but the same.
    The sparrow’s flight, the soul’s release, returns at last to home…
    contented peace.

    Layla sat beneath a fig tree listening to the sparrows stir. One sparrow rose into the air, wings trembling with joy, only to fall back to the earth. Again it rose, again it fell, until at last it perched quietly on a branch.

    “Little one, you do not fail when you fall. The sky is not lost, nor is the earth a prison. Your flight is a prayer, your return is an answer. Between the two, the Beloved teaches balance.”

    The sparrow tilted its head, as if listening. Then it sang not of defeat, but of the dance itself.

    And Layla understood: The soul is not meant to conquer gravity, nor to abandon flight. It is meant to awaken in the rhythm of both, to find the Beloved in ascent and in return.

    So the sparrow sang, and the Layla wept, for she knew the song was her own.

    Let the sparrow’s song be heard in every heart.
    Let myth wisdom guide, awareness illumine, work awaken, and love dissolve.
    For in the dance of flight and return, the soul remembers its home.

    #452103
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    Good to read from you again 🙂

    “What if the soul’s freedom is not found in escaping gravity, but in learning the dance between flight and return?… the longing to transcend and the inevitability of return…

    “And Layla understood: The soul is not meant to conquer gravity, nor to abandon flight. It is meant to awaken in the rhythm of both, to find the Beloved in ascent and in return.”-

    Beautifully written, Peter!

    Your post today reminds me of the fantasy movie The Never Ending Story” (1984). I wonder if you saw the movie or read the novel (same title)?

    In the movie, Fantasia is a magical world made up of human imagination, dreams, and hopes. Every creature, land, and story in Fantasia is born from the collective dreams and fantasies of humanity. It has no fixed geography or limits — it constantly changes because imagination itself has no boundaries.

    Fantasia is ruled by a childlike empress who symbolizes purity, guidance, and the source of Fantasia’s vitality, and is threatened by the Nothing. The Nothing is a force of despair and emptiness that takes over when people lose their imaginations, hopes and dreams.

    Talking about “The Mirror of the Moment:- Fantasia isn’t just a fantasy land. It’s a mirror of the human spirit.

    When people dream, Fantasia thrives. When people give up hope, Fantasia dies. The story shows that imagination isn’t an escape from reality, but a force that shapes and sustains it.

    A couple of quotes by Gmork, a wolf-like creature, the helper of The Nothing:

    “Foolish boy. Don’t you know anything about Fantasia? It’s the world of human fantasy. Every part, every creature of it, is a piece of the dreams and hopes of mankind. Therefore, it has no boundaries.”

    “Because people have begun to lose their hopes and forget their dreams. So the Nothing grows stronger.”

    Having watched it back in 1984, I soared with the characters and scenes into incredible imaginations, conquered gravity (literally getting on a plane and flying across the world for Freedom to be and experience anything I dare to dream and hope for, all inspired by the movie.) The Fall.. well, Falls from the heights of hopes, dreams and imaginations were devastating. I kept recovering somewhat, less each time, until I didn’t anymore. I was depressed and felt hopeless. I Survived but I no longer Soared.

    Fast forward, I am back to hoping and imagining and soaring but in the way you described, Peter: Falling isn’t failure; Rising isn’t escape. The soul finds its home- not by rejecting limits or chasing only freedom, but by reconciling both — seeing them as part of one whole, “For in the dance of flight and return, the soul remembers its home.”.

    🕊️✨🦅🌤️ Anita

    #452110
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita,
    I do recall the movie and love when these unexpected associations appear.

    The other day I read: “Nothing is as old as the truth, and nothing is as new as the truth.”
    It feels as though life is reminding us that we’ve always known the truth, we just don’t always remember or pay attention.

    #452111
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Peter:

    My calculation. You were 21 when the movie came out, I was 23.. so young, such a long time ago 👧🧑, so young..

    Anita

    #452133
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Peter

    An apt observation. ❤️

    Considering how birds fly, how can it escape? Birds primarily fly using updrafts. Sure, they can do takeoffs, but silos are massive compared to the tiny sparrow. How could it ever escape unless a kind soul came along and gave it a helping hand? It is not the birds fault that is how physics works. ❤️

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