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  • #423862
    anita
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    Dear Milda:

    I am not thinking on stopping having contact with her, but I do not want to stand in the care-giver and emotional supporter role anymore, who tries to fix family problems“-

    – You can practice the NPARR strategy that I wrote to you about on Oct 26: Notice when you are about to say or do (or you just said or did)  something that’s in accordance with the old family role/ old habit you want to quit, Pause, Address the situation, Respond-or-not, Redirect.

    This strategy is about quitting an old habit and forming (via a new Response, or no response when in the past there was always a response) a new habit, gradually and over time.

    anita

    #423863
    Milda
    Participant

    Anita,

    thank you so much for your reply and thoughts on the previous message. The car driving comparison is really eye-opening. I need to proccess deeply all of your suggestions and make myself a plan on how I can start doing more for myself and less for my mother to feel happier.

    I give myself a few days to think through of what you have written and will come back to disscuss more on that.

    Thank you once again for taking your time. Your knowledge and ability to help is just unbelievable to me. I have met so many theraposts and none of them were able to find the core issue, nor came closer to what we are talking about.
    I am so happy that I decided to write in this forum and received such help. Anita, thank you once again!

    Milda

    #423864
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Milda:

    You are very welcome and thank you for your appreciation and grace. I am looking forward to discussing more with you.

    anita

    #426355
    anita
    Participant

    Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays, Milda  !!!

    anita

    #450149
    Milda
    Participant

    Hi, Anita,

    Two years have passed since this conversation. I would like to write a letter to you. Would you be able to provide me your email?

    Thank you.

    Milda

    #450150
    Milda
    Participant

    Hi, Anita,

    Two years have passed since this conversation. I would like to write a letter to you. Would you be able to provide me your email?

    Thank you.

    Milda

    #450151
    anita
    Participant

    What a pleasant surprise, Milda- welcome back to your thread!

    Can you tell me why you’d like to communicate on email rather than here?

    🌿 Anita

    #450165
    Milda
    Participant

    Anita,

    Maybe yes, we can continue here:)
    I somehow remembered this communication (I believe subconsiously need for support led me here).

    I read what we were discussing here and am surprised how only now I get my situation, what type of dysfuntional is deeply engraved in my relationship with family.

    I read books “Codependent no more”, “Unhealthy helping”, “Too Much: A Guide to Breaking the Cycle of High-Functioning Co-dependency” and something clicked.

    I was so surprised by how these books indicate my struggles, my depression and low life quality for the past two years.

    I had to take some time to feel the grief of the dysfuntional, manipulation, guilt tripping and unhealthy programs, that I live by. By my high need to help in order to feel valued, by my thinking that love is conditional and boundaries are forbidden for me.

    I have paused communication with parents for a while, I said that I need some space and now I made a pause. But it is extremelly hard and I feel so alone in this journey. It’s a relief that patterns and reality is now fully understood, but I do not feel brave enough to start making changes.

    In a road of change, what could you suggest me? I want be free, at peace and happy and first family’s problem are stopping me from this. If I do not change the way family drains me, I will never be happy.

    I feel so stressful, scared and alone in this journey of change.

    Thank you.

    #450185
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Milda:

    You are so very honest and aware.. and you don’t have to be alone in your journey. I can be here with you, for as long as you would like me to.

    I want to reread our communication and get back to you Thurs morning (it’s Wed evening here)

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #450213
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Milda:

    I read all of our communication Oct 24- Oct 31, 2023, high quality communication. You were honest, clear, appreciative and kind. My replies were excellent, if I may say so (I am quite impressed with myself 🙂). So, no reason to repeat what’s easy to re-read.

    Question is, what can I add this morning?

    The image I had as I reread your posts was that of the elephant in The Elephant Rope Story, or as I read it today (dream little star. com/ the elephant rope), The Elephant Rope. Here it goes:

    Once upon a time in a small village, there was an elephant camp, where majestic elephants lived. A curious little boy visited the camp one sunny afternoon. He noticed something very odd – each enormous elephant was tied by a small rope to a stake in the ground.

    The kid, puzzled, approached the elephant trainer. “Excuse me, sir, why are these giant elephants held by just these tiny ropes? Can’t they break free?” he asked, pointing at the ropes.

    The trainer smiled kindly at the little boy and said, “Ah, you see, when these elephants were just little babies, we used the same size rope. Back then, it was strong enough to hold them. They tried to break free, but they couldn’t, and eventually, they stopped trying.”

    “But now they are so big and strong! Can’t they break the rope now?” The boy wondered aloud.

    “Yes, they can,” the trainer nodded. “But because they believe they cannot, they don’t even try.”

    The little boy looked at the elephants, deep in thought. “So, they think they can’t break the rope just because they couldn’t when they were little?”

    “Exactly,” the trainer replied. “They carry this belief from their past that they can’t break free, so they don’t challenge their bonds.”

    The boy’s eyes widened in realization. “It’s like when I thought I couldn’t climb the big mango tree because I fell once. But then I tried again last week, and I did it!”

    The trainer chuckled. “Yes, just like that. Sometimes, we can do more than we think. We just need to believe in ourselves and not let past failures stop us.”

    The little boy smiled, looking at the elephants with new eyes. “Thank you, sir! I’m going to tell my friends that they shouldn’t give up, just like I won’t!”

    And with a heart full of new understanding, the kid ran off to share the story of the elephants and the rope with his friends, reminding everyone that they should never let past failures limit their future.” (The End)

    I am thinking of what you mentioned yesterday, your codependency as that rope. As a child, you were small and completely dependent on your parents. Your physical survival depended on them being healthy enough, calm enough, capable enough to be present for you, and take care of you on an ongoing basis.

    Fast forward, you are an adult, physically big, strong and able to physically survive without your parents’ (or other adults’) constant, or frequent presence and help. But.. you don’t know it yet..?

    The role reversal we talked about back in Oct 2023 has to do with you believing that your parents, particularly your mother can’t survive without your help..?

    Oct 2023: “I had a need inside to always solve their problems, so that maybe then I can live in a happy, stable and calm family with happy parents.”- it’d take fully grieving the type of home you never had, and the type of childhood you will never have because simply, you can’t go back in time, undo or redo anything that already happened.

    Fully grieving this reality will take away from the motivation within you to solve other people’s problems for the purpose of an impossible dream (to be a happy child with happy parents).

    I hope to be reading your thoughts on what I wrote here, when you are ready 🙂

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #450214
    Milda
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Wow, the elephant story is exactly the situation I’m in. Before I did not understand clearly that I HAD A ROPE, now I see it clearly and still am not brave enough to make changes, even though I understand that I’m not a child anymore. What codependency and over functioning for other really took away from me is the ability to focus on myself. But I was busy enough giving for others, so had no time to face the truth that I do not know what I like, what I want to do as a hobby, what do I want professionaly, what I am capable of doing best and so on.
    I read a very good quote that “When you do not feel loveble, you settle with being uself”.

    I do not think that I can be loved just because I am, without giving, doing, over functioning for others. There is no self worth. There is only a worth if I can be useful for others.

    I am lost in all of the insights and I truly have no idea what should be the next step. So I know that I over give, over help. What’s next then?

    Thankful for your thoughts.

    Milda🌸

    #450217
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Milda:

    “I do not know what I like, what I want to do as a hobby, what do I want professionally, what I am capable of doing best and so on.”- this used to be true in my life. It was quite maddening. It was like living with a stranger (me).

    “I do not think that I can be loved just because I am, without giving, doing, over functioning for others. There is no self worth. There is only a worth if I can be useful for others… What’s next then?”-

    I hope that this doesn’t sound weird to you, Milda, but let me love you here, on your thread, a place where you are not doing the giving, doing, etc. Let me do the giving. You are worth it!

    About not knowing what you like (“I do not know what I like”)- do you like to look at the ocean, or the night sky.. or certain music..? Even in my decades (!) of self estrangement, I knew that I LOVED the feel of the Mediterranean water in a hot summer day, and the 60s- 70s music to which I daydreamed as a teenager.

    And you..?

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #450230
    Milda
    Participant

    Anita,

    I do know some thinhs for sure, but when it comes to thinking about what to do in the free time, what could be my hobby, I have no idea. I also have no friends, because all of my friendships were ingenuine, I was performing and people wanted to be with me only because of that.

    #450231
    anita
    Participant

    It’s a good thing, Milda, that you no longer participate in ingenuine friendships. Please express your genuine feeling here. Including your genuine anger. In your communication with me, you are safe, safe being your genuine self 🙂

    (I will soon be away from the computer for the rest of the day).

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #450252
    Milda
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I can’t stop thinking about the elephant story. Something very fundamental is keeping me stuck in this rope. I think the belief engraved in childhood that I am worthy and loveble only if I constantly give to others is one of those.
    And people expect from me over functioning.

    The real truth is that everyone is responsible for their life, problem solving, emotions, but in me, this is 180 degrees different- it’s that I am responsible for this.

    These fundamental programs installed in me keep me stuck. I try to change them by reading books, talking to a therapist, giving myself space and time.

    None of this helps. I’m still stuck in this rope and the old programs won’t let me get out of it.

    I do not blame anyone, I just do not know what else I should try, in order to be scared, be guilty, but still do the work of change.

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