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  • #57344
    Sarah
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    I’m in desperate need of advice. There are a lot of things to read on toxic family members but what if that family member is a 14 year old girl? I have a niece who is just a nasty piece of work, an avid attention seeker and quite frankly, a little madam! She’s turning into a hideous drama queen who takes herself very seriously and can be vicious at times. It’s a really long story with many ins and outs that would take far too long to write about on here, but I’m desperate for some advice. If someone could point me in the direction of some articles or literature written about dealing with issues with teenagers in the family who are just mean and dramatic, I would love to hear about it.

    I have reached out to my niece on two separate occasions and the things she emails back are just ridiculous. Telling me she needs time to think about whether or not she wants to be in contact with me again. She’s 14!

    My main concern is her younger sister. She is the complete opposite. She is a sweet, sensitive, quiet young girl who is very much affected by her surroundings. She’s already suffering panic attacks and has some sleep issues.

    To say our family is fractured is an understatement. Shattered more like. But I just don’t know how to feel less angry at my niece and try to take the higher ground with me being and adult and her being a 14 year old. But the things she says are just damn right rude!

    I’ve never written on one of these sites before but I really need help. I LOVE the articles on this site but can’t seem to find one that refers to dealing with toxic teenagers who are hell bent on the world revolving around them.

    Please help.

    #57346
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Sarah,

    It sounds like you are physically or emotionally way too close to that side of the family. They are shattered. So you enmeshed into their drama. Is Niece #1 the oldest? Bradshaw has child #1 represent the father, #2 the mother, #3 the marriage and #4 the family. It would be interesting to see what all the family members are.

    You know that it’s not the teenager, that it is the surroundings, right? Once she’s in college, out of the house, or in her 20s you should see a dramatic change in her.

    From her side shes’ thinking “My whole family is messed up, and I will have to set boundaries with my crazy aunt.” That is good news! She is learning to set boundaries (even with you).

    If you want to help, take the little sister away for a holiday, weekend, etc.

    You are also viewing her through a horrible lens. She knows how you see her. As she grows up, it will be harder to shed those traits if she thinks someone is always seeing her that way. That is why she doesn’t want contact with you and will “think about it”. That’s what that means.

    There aren’t terribly great articles out there, they seem to rehash what the other ones have said.

    Other thoughts: What one sibling is, the other is not (typical) and that you are not the parent, so send Light and take the younger one away when you can as often as you can. Keep those outings fun.

    Good Luck!

    #57348
    Sarah
    Participant

    Hi there,
    Thank you so much for your detailed reply.
    I’m not familiar with Bradshaw, but I’ll certainly look it up.

    The issue is that she gets very little attention from her mother (who is re-married and has a third child with her new husband, thus the eldest one ((the one I’m talking about)) and the middle child (my youngest sweet niece) were uprooted from their home a few years ago, taken away from their father (my brother – a paranoid drug abuser who suffers from delusions) and moved in with this new step father who was basically a stranger. This upheaval is not lost on me, which is why I’ve allowed a lot of her behaviour to pass. The big problem began at Christmas though. Desperate for some attention from her mum, she told a lie about me. She said that I had forced her to text her father to say thank you for the Christmas gifts she had received. This is an absolute lie. I said she was welcome to use my cell as she didn’t want her father to have her number, and that was the end of it. We had a lovely few days (you’re right, we are very close. My brother and the girls’ mum are not very good care-takers and so they had spend every weekend since they were born at my mother’s house up until they were shipped off to the new step dad.)

    As I mentioned before, my family is pretty broken. I’m the only one who doesn’t drink, smoke or take drugs. I’m working really hard on myself to be a better person and to be as grounded and responsible as possible. I don’t swear, shout or argue around the girls and only ever been fun and supportive. I’ve taken them on holidays, baked cakes with them, talked with them about using deodorants and tampons, things that a mother would usually do.

    The problem is that now my niece has spun this lie, things have gotten out of control and she can’t take any of it back, without admitting she was lying, which she won’t do as she is a 14 year old!

    The email that I just wrote was filled with love and ‘let’s forgive and forget’ and move on for everyone’s sake. There was not a criticism in it.

    I totally agree with regard to the little sister. I will most certainly take ever opportunity to embrace my time with her and to try and make her feel loved and special.

    Thanks again for your response.

    #57350
    Inky
    Participant

    It sounds silly, but I got a lot of peace by saying, “I forgive everyone for everything they did when they were under 18”. They are literally Half-Baked. She’s still forming. Sometimes cooking is messy.

    And to a teenager, Christmas was SO LONG AGO, OMG, WHY IS EVRYONE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT???

    Everyone knows she was (probably) lying. You know she lied. She knows she lied.

    Let it go. There will be more holidays!

    #57351
    Sarah
    Participant

    Well that’s exactly my point. I have contacted her on two separate occasions now saying, come on, let’s put this behind us. I love you and we are just being silly now. And both times she has come back scathing and vindictive. I have to set some boundaries surely and also let her know that her behaviour is not acceptable and does have consequences. I don’t mean in a mitherly wsy, I realise I’m not her mother, but her actions have had a domino effect and she’s getting so wrapped up in drama. Her behaviour is unacceptable and surely I’m not supposed to just allow her to act this way and makeb things difficult for everyone? I thought we were supposed to set healthy boundaries where people who are selfish and draining are concerned?

    I’ve reached out with love twice now, and both times she has acted terribly and selfishly. I’m sorry she might be going through some things right now but where do you draw the line?

    #57356
    Inky
    Participant

    A month for us is like a year for them. To her this one thing keeps being brought up, and brought up, and it was “SO LONG AGO”. It sounds like (to her) it was a white lie to get out of an uncomfortable (to her) situation. The real issue is she felt she had to lie concerning her dad, and you are easy to throw under the bus. Now she sees you are not so easy and is lashing out. Why is everyone walking on eggshells concerning the father? Sounds very reactionary.

    For you this is one thing. Her parents (mom and stepdad) see this every day. There is probably similar things that go on every day.

    Leave the girl alone. Talk to the mom. See the family a year from now when everyone’s more mature. Don’t get cast into the role of the Least Favorite Aunt. It sounds like she’s acting like a terribly typical teenager.

    #57400
    Sarah
    Participant

    Hmmmi guess this is why I’ve never posted in a forum before. It’s so difficult to give people the big picture and assumptions are made. I don’t keep ‘bringing this up’ ive emailed her twice since Christmas. That’s the only contact I’ve had with her.

    My point of coming on here was really to be pointed in the direction of some literature that may be useful to me. This is something that keeps me awake at night and brings about anxiety that only xanax can fix!

    Thank you again for your response but it’s impossible for you to give me sound advice due to you not knowing the ins and outs on everything. And how could you? That’s not a dig at all, it’s just something to consider when talking to people on forums.

    I really just want some reading material, author recommendations, etc that might be able to help.

    #57426
    Inky
    Participant

    Sorry about that ~ it’s hard to ask for sound advice for a particular issue without writing a novella!

    A great classic book is “How to Talk so Kids will Listen, and How to Listen so Kids will Talk”.

    Bradshaw on family dynamics

    Captain Awkward on the web. You could (should!) write more in detail (maybe 2 pages worth) and she give amazing advice!

    Good Luck!

    #57427
    Marshmallow
    Participant

    Sounds like you are trying to keep the family together. But I also think its important not to immediately label your niece as a “toxic” person, try to recall what your world was like as a 14 year old. The smallest thing was practically the end of your life and getting advice from adults was the last thing you want.

    Instead, maybe consider her a troubled teenager and look up articles regarding dealing with rebellious behavior and how to handle that. Here is a place to start: http://www.lifescript.com/well-being/articles/h/how_to_deal_with_a_rebellious_teen.aspx

    #57428
    Sarah
    Participant

    Captain Akward? Is that a website?

    #57429
    Inky
    Participant

    Yes. Captainawkward.com

    It’s a great site to look at, it’s in my “Favorite” list. Hopefully you can find something close to what you’re going through. The latest post looks like it’s about a girl having boundaries around seeing her dad, for example. Make yourself a cup of coffee and enjoy reading! 🙂

    #57431
    Sarah
    Participant

    Thank you Marshmallow and Inky. Your replies are greatly appreciated.

    Many best wishes to you and yours.

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