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  • #448652
    anita
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    Dear Dafne:

    I will reply more tomorrow, but for now, after reading your message, as to: “Do you think it had something to do with his real character or rather bad coping/communication skills?”- I think it was about his real lack of character:

    He didn’t try to help you when you were lost and scared. He didn’t even wait for you. He didn’t bother to ask about your well-being later.. Lack of character, lack of heart..

    It’s not anything you said/ did wrong, Dafne.

    More tomorrow.

    Anita

    #448654
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Dafne,

    I’m so glad to hear from you again! I’m happy you had a nice time at the retreat. You stayed there for quite a while! And planning to go back for an even longer stay, right?

    Let me first comment on the situation with the man: his first reaction was not to express empathy and concern for you, but he accused you or getting lost and wanting anything from him (He told me that I live nearby so I should know where to go.) He didn’t like you asked for his help.

    And then, even worse, he refused to wait for you, justifying it with being busy with his projects. Which if I understood well, he has been working on for years now, and nothing even panned out. So I guess one more Saturday afternoon wouldn’t make a difference. That was clearly just an excuse.

    And he didn’t ask if you came home safely. Even if you’d had an argument and you said you didn’t want to meet him again, a caring person would still inquire if you arrived home safely, because it wasn’t a completely danger-free situation. But his pride was stronger, I guess, and he just didn’t care anymore.

    This all shows his character, Dafne. He’s not a good, caring man, but a self-centered, quick-tempered, immature man, who isn’t able (or willing) to be there for you in challenging situations. He not only checked out, but blamed you for what happened. He expressed no empathy for you.

    I suggest you don’t try to apologize or reach out to him, because he is the one who failed you. You didn’t fail him.

    It can happen to anyone to make a mistake, such as getting lost on the motorway. But a decent person will have understanding and will try to help, rather than blaming you and turning their back on you. So no, Dafne, he’s not a good man.

    The retreat was quite helpful, but I feel the old, fearful patterns are coming back and stealing the peace I felt over there…

    I’m sorry that about that 🙁 Are those patterns related to returning to living with your mother? If I understood well, your mother was accompanying you to the meeting with this man (your ex-boyfriend) in a nearby city, right?

    I must admit, I wasn’t happy to hear this, even though in this particular case, it was good that she was with you because she was supportive and didn’t panic when you two got lost. But she has been accompanying you to dates with men before, right? Even with this guy too.

    I’ve found you talk about it in a post on February 6th this year. You and your mother met with him before, in a restaurant, and she was inquiring about his job and his projects. His answers were all vague, he didn’t want to give any details or deadlines. And then, when she probed a bit more and asked whether he could change careers, he got really upset, accused both of you of having no faith in him, and asked for a pause in the relationship until the project gets finalized.

    Your mother was helpful in this particular situation too, because she wasn’t afraid to probe and ask him questions, and basically uncover that he might be a scammer, that his big plans and “projects” might all be just empty talk. So she was helpful in spotting potential cheaters and scammers.

    However, her overall role in your life – where she is trying to control you and your life choices, and keeping you close to her via emotional blackmail and guilt-tripping – hasn’t been an overly positive one. You did want to get away from her and her influence.

    And so I must admit it saddened me a little when you said that the old patterns of fear and insecurity are creeping in, and to realize that maybe this has to do with your mother still having a central role in your life, and you still relying on her to tell you whether a guy is good for you or not.

    Please, dear Dafne, don’t take this as judgment of you. I have nothing but compassion for you. And I want you to thrive and be happy. That’s why I’m mentioning the “big picture” again: finding your True Self first, stepping into your True Self, before attempting to find a romantic partner.

    Because if you respect yourself, you’ll attract guys who respect you. But if you have low self-esteem, you’ll be more easily manipulated by men who want to take advantage of you.

    And here’s the thing: you don’t need your mother to protect you from manipulative men. What you need is to step into your True Self. Because when we’re in touch with our true self, we’ll have the wisdom to spot dishonest, manipulative men. We won’t fall for their BS.

    Finding you true self – independent from your mother – is your ticket to finding good guys. You don’t need her, you need YOU. The real you.

    I hope this makes sense, Dafne. I hope you can get more and more in touch with your inner voice, and that this retreat gave you a chance for that. Because you were allowed to just “be”, without the constant chatter, criticism and demands of your mother:

    There was no comparison, no criticism, no gossip, no chaos, only simple human beings and Universe.

    If you go to a similar retreat again, please use the supportive environment there to get in touch with your inner voice. Feel the love for yourself, hold yourself tenderly. Be gentle with yourself, like you would with a puppy who needs your love and care. Create an inner environment of love and acceptance for yourself. That’s how you can connect to your True Self.

    I hope this wasn’t too overwhelming, Dafne. I hope you can get to a place of more confidence in yourself. You are a wonderful, talented woman, and you definitely deserve it!

    #448659
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dafne:

    “He was cold as stone and had an attitude of being offended… I feel like a Villain”- He was offended—or he pretended to be offended—but you didn’t offend him.

    If he learned earlier that you easily take on guilt that doesn’t belong to you, he may be using it to control you. In a relationship with a man like this, all he has to do to keep you in line is appear offended, and you automatically feel guilty and try to appease him.

    “I told him that we will not meet again. It was my first reaction to his lack of understanding, empathy and coldness.”- What happened first is that he was cold and refused to help you when you were lost and scared. What happened next is that you told him you wouldn’t meet again.

    It wasn’t the other way around: that you told him you wouldn’t meet again, and then he turned cold and refused to help you.

    “Why he did not want to at least wait for me?”- Because, like you said, he was “cold as stone.”

    “I felt guilty as I took the wrong way and made him wait. He doesn’t cope well with stressful situations. And that I wish we had communicated better that day and that him shutting down emotionally caused me a lot of pain. I wanted to tell him that we should work on that in the future.”- Your focus shifted from protecting yourself from a cold-as-stone man to… protecting him.. from you.

    Recently, I came across the term emotional reversal. It’s a relational dynamic where someone responds to your authentic emotion—(in this case, your valid anger and disappointment about his cold-as-stone behavior)—by shifting the focus onto how your emotion makes them feel, rather than honoring your emotion. It’s a form of deflection, often used to avoid responsibility, maintain control, or preserve comfort.

    Common examples: You say: “I’m angry about how I was treated.” They say: “You’re making me feel attacked.”

    You say: “I need space right now.” They say: “Wow, I guess I’m just a terrible person then.”

    You say: “This dynamic feels unsafe for me.” They say: “You always make things about you.”

    Instead of engaging with the content of your emotion, they react to the discomfort it causes them—and make you responsible for that discomfort.

    Emotional reversal is harmful because it invalidates your emotional truth. It shifts blame and derails accountability. It pressures you to soothe them instead of honoring yourself. It often leads to self-doubt, shame, or emotional labor.

    “I could actually contact him first to say that I am sorry for ruining that afternoon…” To tell him you’re sorry is the emotional labor I mentioned above (another new term for me). He mistreated you that afternoon… and yet… you want to soothe him, to take care of his emotions.

    You didn’t ruin that afternoon, Dafne—he did, by choosing coldness over care. You don’t owe him an apology for reacting to being mistreated. You owe yourself protection, clarity, and self-loyalty. You’re not a villain—you’re someone who felt pain and named it. That’s not cruelty. That’s courage.

    🤗💝 Anita

    #448692
    Dafne
    Participant

    Dear Tee and Anita,

    Happy Sunday!

    Thank you so much to both of you for such beautiful, considerate messages and thoughtful answers in such a short time 💕

    I am still working on my reply to you, so I will be back by the end of the day. I think I will reply to both of you separately as it might be easier for you to read and have more clarity.

    For now, I hug you both and wish you a wonderful day 🤗
    Warm greetings
    Dafne

    #448696
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dafne: You are very welcome! Please take all the time you need to reply, be it hours or days. And you are right, replying separately will be easier for me to read and have more clarity.

    🤗 Anita

    #448697
    Dafne
    Participant

    Thank you dear Anita!
    Talk to you very soon 🤗

    Big hug
    Dafne

    #448708
    Dafne
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you so much for staying with me through this bumpy journey. Your presence has meant more than I can ever put into words. Thank you for being there – for holding on, for walking beside me, for reminding me I’m not alone. I’m deeply grateful for that.

    You helped me untangle all the signs and clues he had been giving me, guiding me gently through the confusion.

    When we met by chance, I asked him why he had not contacted me sooner, and he said that it was because he felt that he could not give me what I deserved. His friends said that he is a good man and cares about me. But can’t give me what I want. This added to my confusion about him and made me feel sorry for him.

    Is it possible that all three friends are wrong about him? Or were they just in it together? I thought that he felt unsuccessful and less worthy, and just gave up on us. Maybe his pride did not let him be entirely honest? This was not a good excuse either. But all of this covered my judgment and made me give him another chance.

    Now, with the wonderful contribution of both of you, I can see so clearly what I had missed, what I had been avoiding facing. It is indeed his true character, one he was trying to conceal all this time. Or maybe all along, my eyes were trying not to see it, and I kept excusing him. But this time, it was the final nail. The occasion on the motorway revealed his true colors.

    Anita, the terms you came across and your research regarding emotional reversal and labor were truly amazing. I’ve never heard those expressions before, but now it makes perfect sense. He pretended to be offended and made me feel guilty instead.

    But how do we protect ourselves from men like him in the future? And what are the early signs that he will be the one using the emotional reverse tactic? He was kind, progressive, always on time, and quite caring at the beginning. How is it possible to change that much? The examples you gave are great, and I’m guessing that the best is to listen to the way they say things. But what if they are not so expressive verbally?

    It is still hard to believe that one unpredictable moment in life like this can change everything and cast a shadow on a promising story.

    I’ve mentioned old patterns coming up in my previous post, and they appear to be triggered by a few different factors. The anxiety hit me stronger when I came back. It might be a mixture of being in an emotionally unstable environment, living in the past, meeting that con artist again, and a dangerous next-door neighbor.

    I believe that I didn’t mention previously that for a long time we’ve had troubles with a mean, and as it recently turns out, a dangerous neighbor. It is a very bitter and hateful person towards animals and all people in general. Due to some law regulations in state laws, she can’t be evicted, despite being reported to the police before. This neighbor’s actions recently went beyond my belief – I still can’t wrap my head around it.

    Recently, she threw a bucket of dangerous chemicals on us and our little dog as he did a little pipi on our balcony (not hers). Luckily, I was able to wash the poor thing off before it was too late. I was shaken for days and still am. She could easily harm me or others as she told us to go to the balcony on purpose. Unfortunately, many of my clothes, flowers, and other property were irreversibly damaged. It took us days to clean, wash, and get rid of the bad odor. She, of course, denied it all and blamed another neighbor. Can you believe that?

    That neighbor lives alone and seems to exist only to stalk people, disturb them, criticize them, knock on their doors, and make them feel anxious. Other neighbors told me that they also feel like she takes pleasure in other people’s suffering, laughing when causing harm, and they are unable to defend themselves as they are afraid for their kids and family. Many have left already, and new neighbors come and go.

    That incident triggered severe anxiety, we still can’t sleep normally, and constantly feeling unsafe. The fear that she might harm us is always present, and the police can’t do much.

    Now it feels like I’m taking on another emotional labor just to keep my neighbor quiet, trying not to provoke her, staying completely quiet, and it feels like walking on nails, where I live in extreme discomfort and walk on eggshells, avoiding stirring things up. Can you see that pattern, Anita? Or maybe society has changed so badly in those modern times, and it has not that much to do with our confidence, self-worth, or childhood trauma?

    Once again, Anita, thank you for believing in me and encouraging me to understand my reactions and feelings that day. All your words, all your help, have been truly invaluable. From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate everything you’ve done – it has made a world of difference.

    I wish you a beautiful afternoon and hope to read your thoughts whenever it is possible for you to reply.

    With all my gratitude and warmth
    Dafne

    #448709
    Dafne
    Participant

    Dear Tee,

    I hope you’re having a peaceful day and that your health continues to improve. I’m so happy to know that you’re here with us. Thank you again for your presence and for sharing this journey with me.

    Did you try any holistic methods to support your health while you were away? I’ve learned that there are retreats made for different health needs, and they can help with anxiety and other health challenges. Also for couples.

    When we last talked, I was torn and had no idea what to do with myself and all those negative emotions. The pressure was enormous, and my health started to suffer even more. That was the time when the new man appeared in my life, and I became even more confused by his identity and what he does in life.

    Things started to pile up, and I just felt like escaping somewhere immediately, despite the fear.

    So, the retreat I’m referring to is rather more of an ascetic center. It reflects a different atmosphere – one of simplicity, discipline, and focus. It was rough and basic, but authentic at the same time. I want to move on to the next stage for a much longer time, but I’m not sure if I could do it without missing the connection, and also without feeling a sense of guilt.

    To answer your question regarding the patterns, they appeared to be triggered by a few different factors. The anxiety hit me stronger when I came back. It might be a mixture of being in an emotionally unstable environment, living in the past, meeting that con artist again, and a dangerous next-door neighbor.

    I believe that I didn’t mention that in my past post that for a long time we’ve had troubles with a mean, and as it recently turns out, a dangerous neighbor. It is a very bitter and hateful person towards animals and all people in general. Due to some law regulations in state laws, she can’t be evicted, despite being reported to the police before. This neighbour’s actions recently went beyond my belief – I still can’t wrap my head around it.

    Recently, she threw a bucket of dangerous chemicals on us and our little dog as he did a little pipi on our balcony (not hers). Luckily, I was able to wash the poor thing off before it was too late. I was shaken for days and still am. She could easily harm me or others as she told us to go to the balcony on purpose. Unfortunately, many of my clothes, flowers, and other property were irreversibly damaged. It took us days to clean, wash, and get rid of the bad odor. She, of course, denied it all and blamed another neighbor. Can you believe that?

    That neighbor lives alone and seems to exist only to stalk people, disturb them, criticize them, knock on their doors, and make them feel anxious. Other neighbors told me that they also feel like she takes pleasure in other people’s suffering, laughing when causing harm, and they are unable to defend themselves as they are afraid for their kids and family. Many have left already, and new neighbors come and go.

    That incident triggered severe anxiety, we still can’t sleep normally, and constantly feeling unsafe. So yes, Tee, it added an unbearable tension at home too. The fear that she might harm us is always present, and the police can’t do much.

    On top of that, I feel caught in my mother’s swings between occasional moments of kindness, good advice, and care, and then harsh judgment and criticism. It might come from the fear of getting older and her inability to change the place she lives in right now. Life was hard for her, too, and she did not really enjoy it.

    My father, on the other hand, lived to the fullest and did not care about anyone but himself. He has not contacted me since last year. The last time we spoke was when I called him and he told me about his health problems and that it is ok for children not to have it easy in life. Even if legally he told me I am entitled to some of his place (shared with his ex-wife?? or still now wife? and her adult child) I am not interested and I can’t trust him either.

    Regarding my mother, I am not entirely without blame, either, because whenever I hear her criticism, I find myself trying to protect myself by reminding her own bad choices. But most of the time, I’m trying to stay silent, just like during my retreat.

    Then I reminded her that it was she who made the wrong choice for her life partner and also gave the piece of land to my abusive uncle, her brother. I can’t understand that till now. Maybe she wanted to forget that place, and her brother was manipulating her into signing the documents for his own gain? Maybe she was weak just like me right now? Anyways, those past hurts come up in our conversations, and it spoils the mood completely.

    What I’ve noticed is that if I tell her that I need space and quiet, she keeps talking and telling me about her old age and that I’m going to be alone…and it is really scaring me. And when I shut down, she needs that connection, and I don’t, as I get very overwhelmed and my health issues worsen. How to break that pattern?

    Also, seeing that man at the event gave me hope that something has changed, and it is a sign from Heaven that we met that day. I asked him why he had not contacted me sooner, and he said that it was because he felt that he could not give me what I deserved. His friends said that he is a good man and cares about me. But can’t give me what I want. This added to my confusion about him and made me feel sorry for him. Is it possible that all three friends are wrong about him? Or were they just in it together? I thought that he felt unsuccessful and less worthy, and just gave up on us. Maybe his pride did not let him be entirely honest? This was not a good excuse either. But all of this covered my judgment and made me give him another chance.

    And yes, Tee, she has accompanied me before to make sure I’m safe. Those men were not known to us or our family, so I did not mind it. Also, in our culture, parents can assist till things get serious. Once there is trust, we do not need that anymore. But all those men seemed to be bad news.

    I completely agree with you regarding that man, and I could not find the right word for him, but you did. Scammer is spot on! He was buying more of my time, pretending to be someone else.

    I really appreciate that you were able to see both sides of the coin – the way you described the situation, noticing some positive aspects of my mom’s behavior, as well as some things that might be unusual, perhaps due to cultural differences and closer influence of a parent, and maybe controlling tendencies with a bit of selfish intentions. It could be both. I truly value how openly and thoughtfully you approached it.

    Thank you for your compassion, Tee, and for seeing my experiences with that man from all different angles. I can now see clearly what kind of man he is. That inner voice told me to say the right thing at the right time. It was indeed the voice of my True Self. You’re right that finding my true self and cultivating it is the next healthy step I could take before finding romantic love. I feel like most men are not interested or afraid to start with friendship. I will select those who are. I will not open up too much to them and just say that I’m focusing right now on my professional projects and only have time for friendships at the moment. What do you think, Tee? Would you say something else?

    Your final, gentle words made me feel so warm inside and gave me a little bit more courage to try again.
    Thank you for your guidance and help in navigating difficult situations. I am deeply grateful for your wisdom, patience, and care.

    I hope to hear from you soon, Tee. Your thoughts are always welcome, and I truly value your perspective.

    Have a beautiful afternoon,

    With kindness, gratitude, and affection
    Dafne

    #448710
    anita
    Participant

    Dearest Dafne: I will read and reply Mon morning (it’s Sun evening here)

    🤗 Anita

    #448713
    Dafne
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    I look forward to reading your message, but please take your time.

    Big hug back🤗
    Dafne

    #448718
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Dafne:

    “When we met by chance, I asked him why he had not contacted me sooner, and he said that it was because he felt that he could not give me what I deserved.”- When you got lost driving and called him for help, you deserved help. So—he couldn’t give you what you deserved? Or wouldn’t?

    Action (or lack of it) speaks louder than words.

    “His friends said that he is a good man and cares about me.”- His friends uttered words. How much effort does it take to say something supportive?

    And what do they mean by “a good man”? Definitions vary. Every bad man is good in some context—Hitler, for example, was reportedly good to his dog.

    “Is it possible that all three friends are wrong about him? Or were they just in it together?”- I doubt they were deeply contemplating his character. More likely, they said what was convenient—what aligned with loyalty to their friend.

    “Maybe his pride did not let him be entirely honest?”- What if you shift focus from his motives to the impact of his behavior on you? Did his dishonesty hurt you?

    “But all of this covered my judgment and made me give him another chance.”- I understand. It took me time and work to trust my own evaluations of people.

    “The occasion on the motorway revealed his true colors.”- Yes—and the fact that he didn’t check on you afterward shows he didn’t regret failing you when you needed help. He didn’t call to sincerely apologize or make amends.

    “He pretended to be offended and made me feel guilty instead.”- Your tendency to feel guilty can be weaponized by others. That’s not your fault—but it’s something to protect.

    “But how do we protect ourselves from men like him in the future? And what are the early signs that he will be the one using the emotional reverse tactic? He was kind, progressive, always on time, and quite caring at the beginning.”- Words are easy. Watch what he does—and what he doesn’t do. In dating or business, people often wear a social mask. The early kindness may be part of the performance.

    “How is it possible to change that much?”- He didn’t change. He removed the mask.

    “But what if they are not so expressive verbally?”- Then pay attention to their actions.

    “It is still hard to believe that one unpredictable moment in life like this can change everything and cast a shadow on a promising story.”- I wasn’t sure what “promising story” you meant here—could you clarify?

    About your neighbor: you described someone dangerous, who intentionally harms others and even breaks the law. Yet she “can’t be evicted,” and the police “can’t do much.”

    “Now it feels like I’m taking on another emotional labor just to keep my neighbor quiet, trying not to provoke her, staying completely quiet, and it feels like walking on nails, where I live in extreme discomfort and walk on eggshells, avoiding stirring things up. Can you see that pattern, Anita? Or maybe society has changed so badly in those modern times, and it has not that much to do with our confidence, self-worth, or childhood trauma?”- Even with high confidence and no trauma, your neighbor’s behavior would still be disturbing. Without legal support or eviction, moving out may be the only real solution.

    The emotional labor you described—staying quiet, walking on eggshells that feel like nails, self-monitoring to avoid her attacks—reminds me of living with my mother. It felt like a prison cell. Not free to be or become. Always afraid. Always censoring myself.

    You’re not imagining the harm, Dafne. You’re seeing it clearly. And your clarity is a strength—not a burden. You don’t need to decode his motives or her cruelty. You only need to honor what their actions have shown you. That’s how we protect ourselves—not by being perfect, but by refusing to abandon our own truth.

    With care, Anita

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