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  • #444325
    Jana 🪷
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    Don’t be sad, Anita. You deserve peace and love. Let her go. It is her own journey through this lifetime. I am sure she will be all right in the end.
    ❤️

    ☀️ 🪷

    #444326
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you, Jana ❤️

    Can you tell me how or where she will be all right in the end?

    * I will process my feelings further in the next post. I need to do so.

    anita

    #444327
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I think she knows that you love her. It is unfortunate that she couldn’t be that sense of love and safety in a parent that you deserved. Perhaps it is better for you both this way? She can do no more harm and you can love her from afar without being harmed. Being apart doesn’t mean that you don’t care. I’m sure you have tried many times over the years to figure things out with your mother to no avail. It isn’t your fault or for lack of trying. ❤️

    #444328
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    Your post right above is perfect, your understanding and advice are just perfect and you gave me something to think about: did she know I loved her? (I will explore this in my next post). Thank you, Alessa ❤️

    anita

    #444332
    anita
    Participant

    * Trigger warning, just in case what I am about to type-as-I-think may be overwhelming to some:

    My experience with my mother was something like Either Her Or Me, never a We.

    No amount of love a child feels, no amount of love I felt for her could have made us a We. It was her OR me.

    No matter how hard and how long I tried to be a We with her, she rejected me and kept me in the cold.

    Only her type of cold was hot, full of conflict, hot anger, rage, unpredictable, always about to happen.

    It saddens me that she is so very weak and fragile now that she couldn’t hit me even if she tried, too weak and too short, being that she is severely hunched over. I am so sad that she lost her physical strength.

    I feel a deep pain, emotional pain. Oh, how I wished she was strong and healthy, physically and mentally.

    I feel no anger at her anymore, only sadness.

    Did I love her? Yes, at the expense of myself.

    Did she love me? she loved me in combination with destroying me. Moments of affection, acts of kindness (like traveling a long way so to get me an expensive cake that I liked) amidst homicidal (“I will murder you!”) and suicidal (“I will kill myself!) moments. It was like living with a mountain lion’s kisses in between the bites, bites leading to my bleeding.

    If I flew across the world to see her now (an impossibility because both of my passports expired long ago, and I have not done any paper work kind of work for years), she can’t physically hurt me, but the emotions I feel are too overwhelming, emotions involved in the idea of seeing her. Plus, I don’t trust her to not hurt me via guilt tripping and/ or shaming with words, or a look in her eyes.

    As is, I will climb the tallest mountain to save her, to change her life now and retroactively. I’d climb that mountain in the cold and the rain and I will risk my life in that climb as long as there would be a chance that her pain will go away, her massive pain.

    If I saw her in-person, I think that I will sink into a hole, same hole I was trapped in for so very long. I will not be able to climb my way out of that hole.

    Since I was told the news about her yesterday, a wound had reopened. I feel retraumatized. But not angry (I am thinking about the title of my thread, “Untangling Anger…”)- the anger is gone. So strange. The anger has been with me for so long, attached to thoughts and images of her. Now there is only compassion, deep, painful empathy.

    It just occurred to me: my Anger at her protected me all those years from how painful empathy for her felt. If I am angry at her= I don’t care that she is hurting. I need to explore this further: how and why feeling empathy can hurt so much.

    anita

    #444333
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I’m glad that you found comfort in my message. ❤️ You are a very loving person Anita. It is my impression that you willingly gave up yourself for decades to try and make your mother happy. I’m glad that you stopped doing that. You cannot change your mother’s fate, but you do deserve to be happy.

    I’m sorry to hear that empathy for your mother is so painful for you. I imagine that you must be feeling a multitude of different things.

    You mentioned that there was never room for you both. I believe it is important when empathising with others not to lose sight of ourselves. Our pain is not erased by the suffering of others.

    #444334
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    You understand perfectly. I am so grateful to receive your help today, it being the day after I heard the news about her and wound reopening. I think that it takes your healing from severe childhood abuse by a mother to understand mine 🙏❤️

    anita

    #444337
    Peter
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    “seeing with the eyes of another, listening with the ears of another, feeling with the heart of another.” ― Alfred Adler

    Untangling…
    The Heart breaking
    Keeps beating
    How can this be
    The way of an open heart

    #444339
    Jana 🪷
    Participant

    You have a special attachment to your mother, which I personally cannot understand because I don’t know this feeling. I might not have developed such a deep love for my mom as a child.

    I do like her, I accept and respect her, but there is no commitment (?) in me to her. Now, I must sound horribly selfish. The thing is that I only learned to let her be herself and let me be myself. I don’t have any troubles to help her, but her attitude and actions are her own responsibility. If she is stubborn and rejects help, that is okay, she only has to accept the consequences of her own attitude.

    I believe that your mom will reach a better self-awareness… spiritually… one day…

    I have been angry with others just because they were hurting… I was angry because they neglected themselves, hurt themselves and this way they hurt me… So, I found myself angry because I really did care… But I know that it doesn’t help me at all… I know that we have to let others be, let them go through the experiences good and bad so they can learn and hopefully one day understand what they do badly and take actions on their own to do better… but the harsh truth is that we cannot save them even though we love them.

    ☀️ 🪷

    #444340
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    I am feeling that I have friends on this difficult day, that I am not alone, thank you, Peter.

    Your poetic words about untangling and the resilience of the heart are giving my emotions space to be. The heart breaking, keeps beating, the way of an open heart- powerful, peter!

    anita

    #444341
    anita
    Participant

    I am getting all this positive attention on this difficult day, thank you, Jana!

    I appreciate your openness in expressing your perspective and the way you reflected on your relationship with your mother. Your words about anger stemming from care really resonate with me; it’s such a powerful realization that anger can be tied to love and a deep sense of wanting to help.

    I also value your encouragement to let others go through their journeys and experiences, good and bad, so they can grow and learn. Thank you Jana, I deeply appreciate you choosing to post on my thread 🌸

    anita

    #444342
    anita
    Participant

    * Trigger warning: strong emotions and childhood abuse to follow.

    Her needs, her emotions, her presence were so overpowering that they left no space for me. In response to her taking so much space, I developed a strong element of self-denial, or self-minimization, as a way to survive. I suppressed my own thoughts, feelings, and identity to avoid conflict and to make her emotional storms just a little less overwhelming. I remained trapped in this prison of self-minimization for over half a century. As a result, I was a passive survivor of life, with little to no sense of agency or autonomy—adrift, like a broken ship on a stormy sea, at the mercy of the winds.

    I am learning today that empathy, at its core, is meant to be a voluntary emotional response, a choice to connect with someone else’s feelings. In my relationship with my mother, however, empathy was something I had to feel, rather than something I freely chose to extend. Her histrionic expressions of pain, intense, and prolonged—acted like a gravitational pull on my emotional state, making it impossible for me to disengage. I was essentially trapped in her emotional orbit.

    Every time she shared her pain, she forced me to absorb and internalize her struggles. No wonder I felt raped by her. I used to wonder why I felt that way. Now I understand: she forced me to take in her pain.

    More about empathy, I am learning today: in healthy relationships it is reciprocal—it is given and received in balance, allowing both individuals to feel understood and supported. In my case, empathy was a one-way street: I was expected to feel for her, but she didn’t reciprocate by acknowledging or caring for my emotions. This imbalance turned empathy into a burden where her dramatic expressions of pain demanded my attention and emotional investment, leaving me drained and emotionally neglected.

    My empathy was held hostage by her, emotionally trapped by her histrionics. Her emotional dominance overpowered my ability to step back, disengage, or prioritize my own emotional well-being.

    Because her pain consumed so much emotional space, I was left with little to no room to process my own feelings independently. My emotional autonomy—the ability to separate her struggles from my own— was lost. Instead, her emotional world became my reality, forcing me to prioritize her needs over mine and leaving me with unresolved emotions of my own.

    By constantly absorbing her emotions and being unable to process my own, my sense of self was fragmented and reduced. My emotional identity became entangled with hers, making it difficult to recognize, assert and develop my individuality and experience life on my own terms.

    The anger I felt was about preserving the minimal “me” that managed to exist. That anger was my defense, a way of drawing a line in the sand and protecting the last remnants of myself from being completely consumed by her overpowering presence.

    anita

    #444343
    anita
    Participant

    * Thank you Alessa, Peter and Jana for being here with me today. Connecting really helps lighten the weight of painful emotions 🫶

    anita

    #444345
    anita
    Participant

    Growing up with my mother, who was effectively a single parent, was deeply isolating and emotionally overwhelming. Her borderline personality made the environment unpredictable, with frequent emotional storms that kept me in a constant state of fight-or-flight. I felt trapped, unable to escape the tension and chaos that surrounded me. Over time, the unrelenting stress became embedded in my body, manifesting as anxiety, somatic tension, and tics. It felt as though my muscles, desperate to flee from her or, at times, to fight back—neither option being possible—were “running” within me as tics, with nowhere to go. It was as if I carried her volatility inside me. Even after all these years, I still do.

    Her paranoia shaped the way I saw the world. She mistrusted everyone and actively discouraged me from confiding in others—whether peers or adults. Gradually, I internalized her distrust, coming to see people as inherently dangerous or insincere. This left me profoundly socially isolated, unable to form meaningful relationships or feel safe around others. With no alternative perspectives or sources of balance, her paranoid lens became my own, leaving me deeply lonely and disconnected.

    Her histrionic tendencies, however, were the most emotionally draining. She would endlessly recount her pain in dramatic and overwhelming ways, leaving me emotionally exhausted and unable to process my own feelings. Her suffering consumed all the emotional space, forcing me to absorb it while neglecting my own needs. Over time, empathy became excruciatingly painful for me—an unrelenting burden I could not escape. This experience profoundly shaped the way I relate to others. As an adult, I found myself avoiding relationships and intimacy altogether, terrified of being consumed by someone else’s emotional needs, just as I had been consumed by hers.

    Only recently have I begun to connect with others on an emotional level, and even now, it still feels unfamiliar to me. I often feel like a child, just beginning to learn how to build connections—figuring out the dos and don’ts of positive interactions and becoming more aware of how I come across. I lack experience in this area and am essentially starting from scratch, though part of the process involves unlearning deeply ingrained patterns of distorted thinking.

    I am working to move past all-or-nothing and black-and-white thinking, learning to see the shades of color and nuance in situations. I’m practicing the rule of charity (Peter!)—choosing to interpret others’ motivations as neutral or positive—and challenging myself to view situations from multiple angles, rather than defaulting to the single, familiar entry point of suspicion and distrust.

    As for the recent pain I’m feeling—the overwhelming empathy for her—I realize I need to make space for myself in this emotional dynamic. The sense of overwhelm stems from her emotions taking over completely. I need to see myself in the picture and extend empathy toward me as well. Perhaps doing so will ease the intensity of the overwhelm.

    anita

    #444356
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Jana:

    Thank you so much for sharing your reflections yesterday. Your words have stayed with me and inspired some meaningful thinking, which I’d love to share with you.

    You mentioned, “Let her go,” when referring to my mother, and, “I only learned to let her be herself and let me be myself,” when talking about your own. Letting go has been incredibly difficult for me, largely because my mother’s presence was so overwhelming that it left no space for me to simply be myself. Her emotions and needs consumed so much room that I had to minimize myself—shrinking smaller and smaller—just to survive. Without enough of “me,” letting go has felt impossible.

    I wonder if the connection you found with nature helped you feel more like yourself—more whole—and created the space you needed to let go. Perhaps the openness and stillness of nature allowed you to reclaim enough of yourself to feel free. And maybe your relationship with your mother was inherently different from mine; if she wasn’t personality disordered, as I suspect, that could have made letting go less complicated for you.

    Your comment about my attachment to my mother also made me reflect. I believe that attachment is deeply tied to the lack of space I had for my own identity. Her overwhelming presence left me feeling as though I wasn’t truly my own person—like I existed as an extension of her. Letting go has meant not only releasing her but also reclaiming the parts of myself that were overshadowed or lost.

    Thank you for sharing your perspective—it’s helped me gain deeper insight into my own experiences, and I really appreciate you listening. I’d love to hear more of your thoughts.

    anita

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