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  • #115099
    ccn
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    Hi all,

    What do you think is unconditional love, and how is it actualized? Should you only have unconditional love towards your family/spouse/partner? Is it desirable to love everyone close to you unconditionally?

    I read an interesting article on PsychologyToday that sheds light on an alternative interpretation of unconditional love. Here’s the link:
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/getting-back-out-there/201609/what-is-unconditional-love

    Here’s a quote that sums up the author’s point nicely:
    “Unconditional love means, “I love you. Love is an action, and you come first with me.” Unconditional love means, “I love you NO MATTER WHAT CONDITIONS OCCUR.” No matter what life throws our way, I will not take it out on you and I will not forget you exist.””

    The author stresses that unconditional love is not ‘loving you even when you have hurt me’. Relating it to my own case – how do I recognize when I am being hurt? For example, I was in a same-sex intimate relationship (never officially acknowledged as a romantic relationship) until the other person developed feelings for someone else and ended our relationship on good terms. Should I see myself as being hurt by her? I felt heartbroken, but also unjustified in feeling so, because she was never my ‘girlfriend’. I don’t want to victimize myself, but am clearly feeling hurt. Does this justify me not giving this person ‘unconditional love’ anymore, even when she asks me to stay and support her?

    Share your thoughts and interpretations. I would love to see what everyone thinks of it.

    #115108
    John Coppin
    Participant

    Hi. Charlotte. Unconditional Love is what it says. Love is a word full of connotations about all sorts of emotions. ” I love my car” to ” I love you as a person”. It’s sexual connotations are obvious and that’s the way it is usually put over. But, of course, there can be parental love or love for siblings, and even love for our fellow man, but NONE of that is Unconditional Love because it is dependant upon something else. It’s usually “I will love you if…..you look after me, feed me, wash my clothes, give me sex, look after my kids etc. etc.” Unconditional Love has no expectations whatsoever! Is not bound by race, religion, creed, gender; anything. It is pure giving without any desire for reward. If I place ANY condition on it then it’s not unconditional, is it?
    If your partner wants to leave you and go elsewhere then your reply is OK, do that. “Although I love you you have to do what you feel is best for you”. Now you will appreciate how difficult it is and I am in no way minimising the difficulty. It really is a total abandonment of desire. A complete giving of yourself to any situation. If your love is rejected then that is how it is. No regrets or ‘what might have beens’. Difficult? Yes indeed, because the habit of so called love has become so tainted with need it has lost all meaning.

    #115139
    Anonymous
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    Dear Charlotte:

    It makes sense that unconditional love means loving regardless of conditions such as when a partner has a bad day at work, he/she shouldn’t take it out on the partner. Or when money is lost in the stock market, one partner shouldn’t .. punish the other. And so forth.

    A side note, perhaps: You raised an excellent point: how do you know when your hurt is justified. There is always justification for what we feel: the feeling has a valid message. It messages us what we need for our well being and what we don’t need. Sometimes we inaccurately project things. For example, let’s say Y, the woman in your threads, had a male friend with whom she played tennis and that was all they did together. And let’s say you felt hurt, jealous. The message in your hurt is that you need an exclusive relationship with Y, that you don’t want to share her. If you react by insisting she stops playing tennis with him or end the relationship with her because of it- those are not justified by reality.

    On the other hand, if Y is having a sexual intimate relationship with a boyfriend, then your hurt and jealously mean you need an exclusive relationship and this relationship is NOT exclusive. So if you react by ending the relationship with Y in this case, then your reaction/ behavior is justified.

    anita

    #115184
    Desolate
    Participant

    Sorry to hear about your situation. In reading your post I had a couple of questions:

    Did this “friends with benefits” arrangement just sort of naturally happen? At any point did either of you quantify what it was and it was not?

    Regardless of whether others tell you your feelings are justified…there you’re feelings…so to me that justifies them enough.

    As for the unconditional love aspect I’m afraid I can’t help you there. If it were me I would find it very difficult to maintain any sort of relationship (even if platonic) with this person just based on what happened. I’m not saying you should hold onto any anger or resentment…but if having that person in your life and seeing them periodically has the prospect of dredging up those feelings I’d say you’re probably better off without them.

    #115223
    Rohail Bukhari
    Participant

    unconditional love is when you truly understand that you were made in the image of God and that you were designed to succeed and not fail. when you love yourself unconditionally you see yourself as full and complete and not needing material things, nor certain positive things to happen to help you feel secure as a person.

    #115229
    John Coppin
    Participant

    Yes Hablu Exactly! There’s a little poem that has always intrigued me because it is so full of meaning. But before I quote it let me say I am NOT religious in the generally accepted sense of the word, and am not trying to push religion. On the contrary religion can muddy the waters of true spirituality. It’s so often used as a power base to influence others.

    “The Shell”
    If thou could empty self of self like unto a shell dishabited,
    then would He come and find thee on some ocean shelf and say, ‘this is not dead” and fill thee with himself instead.
    But thou art so very full of thou and have such shrewd activity
    that when he comes he’ll say, ‘Tis so very small and full and has such shrewd activity,
    best let it be, it is so full and has no need of me’ ”

    How many of us have shrewd activity? How many ‘full of ourselves’? How often do we put the other person first or try and understand how they feel?
    You are so right. It matters not a jot how many possessions you have or who loves you and who doesn’t; it’s all about how you feel in yourself. St. Augustine said, “Love, and do what thou wilt”. This was not a license for abandoned living, because if whatever you do you do from unconditional Love you can do not wrong, to yourself or any other.

    #115278
    Rohail Bukhari
    Participant

    @sammy1234

    Bro i am not religious either. I too believe religion can cause more harm than good. I believe in the vastness of the universe and how we are all a unique aspect of it.

    This poem is so good.
    I agree with what you are saying about the shrewd activity and being full of ourselves. Nothing new can come until we get rid of the old.

    when it says “but thou art so full of thou and have such shrewd activity,” to me, in a sense, I see it as not letting go of all your negativities and when you dont do that, you can’t change yourself because God cant express Himself in an instrument that is encumbered with such ideas that cause an individual to become blind. I believe that is just one way to see it.

    I read this poem multiple times and I would like to talk to you more in depth about it if you are interested in it. I can give you my email itsthebizzness@hotmail.com and we can go more into depth with this poem.

    #115317
    XenopusTex
    Participant

    Unconditional love is an odd thing. It can leave you open to all sorts of abuse and other issues. IMO, it is mostly a construct of society and blind idealism.

    #115321
    John Coppin
    Participant

    Hi Tex. Well, if that’s how you feel then so be it. There is another word that may help understand unconditional love and that’s Compassion. Would you suggest that Compassion is blind idealism? Does the world not need Love? What are we doing to each other and ourselves? I would suggest that what is going on in Syria and other parts of the Middle East is ‘blind idealism’. I am not suggesting you go round loving everyone in sight irrespective of who or what they are. I am simply saying that if we have love in our hearts and a respect for our fellows, then what we do will always be right. I do agree, it is an odd thing and alien to most of us, but unless we begin to understand it will all spiral into chaos, which it may already have done.

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