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  • #85485
    Matic
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    Hi guys! It is me again with another girl problem. 🙂 I hope you are all having a good day. I would like to thank everyone who reads this and I will try to keep it short.

    So… About two weeks ago I moved into a student dormitory, because I wanted to meet new people and also I wanted to become more independent and self-reliant. I got really great roommates and we get along great and one of them is this girl. As soon as I saw here I felt some attraction but I kind of brushed it off because she is my roommate and I really didnt want to complicate my living situation. Well as it turns out, the choice was not entirely mine.

    As we talked more and more I discovered we have this amazing chemistry and attraction. Sometimes I feel I could cut the sexual tension in the air with a knife. I did have a relationship with a girl before and there was also this very good chemistry but I would say that this is better. I think it is partly because how I have really matured and have gotten very confident. When we talk we always flirt and we literally laugh all the time. Like really deep belly laughs. When we are in a group of people I catch here looking at me and only recently I noticed that we also sometimes just look into each others eyes. Not for very long but each day as we get more comfortable a little longer. I also notice that after we spend a lot of time together she always has this glow about her and here eyes sparkle. I must emphasize that all of this could be a figment of my imagination… She could just be really nice or really outgoing. I know she is nice because she is warm to every one of our roommates but I would dare say that she is just a little warmer towards me. Well I can definetely say I am starting to fall for this girl. I know I only know here for two weeks but I would dare say that she is the best girl I have meet so far in my life. Before you say anything I want to say that I do know that there are a lot of girls out there so if it doesnt go as I hope with this girl I definetely now I am going to be ok.

    So here is the problem… She has a boyfriend. She has been with this guy for about 5 years. We dont really talk about him so I dont know anything but I have noticed (looking for signs everywhere I guess) that she does not like to talk about him. Everytime his name comes up she strictly answers the question and never elaborates. Also when talking about him she becomes this other person. The best way to describe it is that she becomes closed of. She looks down, she becomes quieter, she loses the glow of happines that otherwise sorounds her. And it is not like we dont know him or something. He is crashing in her room becaues he is appartment hunting at the moment. He is a ok guy as far as I know him, but something about him seems of to me (probably because I reeeeeealy like his girl).

    So this is my situation. Do you have any suggestions for me or advice? I am currently thinking something in the line that I should just hang out with here and talk about stuff so we become even more comfortable with each other and if she trully does see me in this sort of light and if she is not happy with this guy like I suggested in the previous paragraph, then maybe I do have a shoot. I dont really see a solution where my role is active.

    Have a great day.
    Matic

    #85487
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Matic,

    I’m guessing that he was her HS boyfriend. Now, 99% of the time we are NOT meant to be with the HS boyfriend! That relationship usually dies a natural death. Well, she is clearly with him out of obligation!! Their relationship is a dressed up corpse.

    I would say (based purely on sixth sense here) that you can be her roommate and not say anything or move out and then say something. You DON’T want her already uncomfortable situation to be unbearable because you make a confession.

    Next year get a double or a single and then tell her.

    The most I myself would do is say, “If you get tired of your boyfriend, just let me know!” 😉

    Good Luck!

    Inky

    #85488
    Matic
    Participant

    Hi Inky and thank you for your reply.

    They met at the very start of university, when they were 19. I am inclined to agree about the status of their relationship but I do have some emotions involved so I dont think my opinion really counts as objective. I would like to understand your line of thinking why this is so in your opinion so if you could elaborate a little, please. 🙂

    I also forgot to mention. She will be finishing her masters degree this year so she will be moving out in about half a year. I do not intend to say anything to her about it because it would most probably screw up the whole situation. I am contepleting telling her when she moves out if I still feel the same way. But I must say I am afraid that the whole thing would fizzle out before it gets any wind if we just keep doing the same thing for half a year. I really do not want to get stuck in the so-called friend zone. Maybe this is a silly concern, but it is a concern non-the-less.

    Thanks again.
    Matic

    #85489
    Inky
    Participant

    OK, I believe in Life Chapters, or Tiers. She is a different person now than she was at 19. So is he, I’m guessing. It is unusual for younger couples to last for years and years. Usually you have to go through two long-term relationships before you meet and marry the person you will be with forever. That is my experience and observation. Of course, there are those who will marry multiple times or marry their first love, but let’s just say I’m not surprised she is “done” with the relationship.

    #85495
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Matic:

    Your writing on this thread, as in the ones before, indicate to me a very intelligent, sensible, well rounded, AWARE young man. Your observations are excellent in my view- amazingly so and guarded against lack of objectivity. It is unusual in my experience to read such an as-accurate-as-possible account here and elsewhere.

    I trust your observations of her behavior around you and her reactions to talking about her boyfriend. I want to look at your observations again, with a beginner’s mind, that is without your guarded interpretations and without your active chemistry! and see if I get something else:

    I just re-read your account and this is what I am getting: she is experience conflicts with her boyfriend, she is conflicted in relationship with him. She is not conflicted in her relationship with you. In the relationship with him she does not feel free, she feels distress, at least at times, she compromises her spontaneity, puts limits on herself so to get along with him, she cuts corners so to speak. With you she doesn’t, therefore she can belly laugh. She likes feeling the way she feels with you, free of conflict.

    i wouldn’t underestimate the potential power of her attachment to her boyfriend. People persist in relationships that make them miserable for years and decades. I wouldn’t trust her glow when relating to her as being that powerful a motivation for her to end her relationship with her boyfriend and attend to an intimate one with you.

    I trust the power of ATTACHMENT more than than the power of happiness and well being.

    So as happy as she appears and feels around you, it is no indication that she will end that relationship and start one with you.

    She may have romantic thoughts about you because she feels so good around you, as is natural (she is a girl, you are a boy) and may feel guilty for those because she is in a relationship. It is possible for her to withdraw from you in the future. It is also possible for a one night stand on her part, that is a short feel good break from the conflicted long term relationship with that boyfriend.

    To protect yourself I would avoid the latter with her. Also her possible guilt would make it very difficult for her to open up to you about that relationship.

    Having stated all that, I don’t think it is a bad idea to tell her how you feel as long as you also tell her that you are okay (as you stated here) either way, if you tell her how you feel while not suggesting she has a job to do now that she knows… you can tell her while taking responsibility for your feelings, in other words, tell her in a way that dignifies you, honors you. Why not honor yourself? Why hide your feelings? It is in the HOW that you tell her, that will make it okay to tell her, aI think.

    anita

    #85497
    Anonymous
    Guest

    One More Thing: it is also possible, maybe even likely that if you got into a romantic relationship with your roommate once she is no longer involved with her current bf, it is very possible that she will be conflicted again, same issues even. It is possible that her conflict-free relationship with you now is so because it is not (yet) romantic, not yet involving the kind of attachment she has with her current bf. There is more, of course, more…
    anita

    #85498
    Matic
    Participant

    Thank you both for replying. 🙂

    I did read both your posts (twice) but I will not answer the directly as I agree with both of you. I just wanted to put this fact out there because I want to let you know your answers are appreciated.

    These two weeks were very stressful because I engage in a million activities and I barely have time to breath. Do not worry. I love this. I otherwise get bored fairly quickly. Today I finally got some down time and I thought a lot about my situation and I came to the following conclusion… I think I am overdoing it. Let me elaborate!

    I dont think I should be trying to consider all the facts and to try to forsee all the future possibilities or outcomes. This girl makes me feel very good about myself and obviously she feels good around me also. So why not just continue doing what we are doing and we will see how things progress… naturally. I came here looking for an answer to what I should do to get this girl but the answer was staring me in the face. There is no strategy. For anything of worth to come out of this experience I must be true to myself. I must be me. If I do this I know I will come out on top. If she “chooses” me then great, if not then hey, I guess she was not meant for me after all and someone better will come along. If I try any strategies then all I am setting myself up for is failure because even if do get the girl how can I keep up with the sherades forever (I hope I spelled it correctly!). And if I should fail I would probably feel bad about myself which is absurd as I was not even being myself.

    To adress anita: I do not intend to have casual sex with her. I think it is a very bad idea. A really baaad idea! 🙂 I think I should refrain from doing anything physical with here unless she dumps the guy.
    About the telling her part. I understand what you are trying to say and I do agree with you but I do not think it is the right time for this. I think I should get to know her better. When I know her better I think I will be able to read her signs better and then I will get a better picture of how she feels about me. Even though I said I should not think so much in the previous paragraph I also think this does not apply here. I do not want to put myself and her in a really sticky situation just because I was seeing things. This would really screw up everything. I do understand how I should go about it. Something in the lines of I really like you. I think you are this and that but I do understand you have a boyfriend and I am only sharing this with you because I want you to know how amazing I think you are. This is only from the top of my head so dont take it literally.

    I hope I made sense. 🙂

    Have a good one. 😉
    Matic

    #85499
    Matic
    Participant

    I only saw your second post now. I also thought of this but I think the paragraph about not over thinking it applies here. I would cross that road when I get there. Also I understand that even if she leaves her current bf that she would be in a really terrible place to start a relationship with me but I guess I just have to accept that fact. When life gives you lemons make a lemonade. 🙂

    #85500
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Matic:

    i can tell you are very busy currently, preoccupied, brain occupied with many things. If you choose to, when you are calm and have the time and desire, maybe you will re-read my posts to you above. I think there is more you can get out of it.

    anita

    #85505
    Matic
    Participant

    Dear Anita.

    I reread your post for a third time as you suggested. I must say I did not get anything more out of it. I really do understand (or at least I think I do) what you are trying to say.

    If I understand you correctly you are saying I might just be a release valve of sort. A reminder for her what is outside of her relationship. Her current relationship problems (if there really are any. She might not like to talk about her relationship to other people in general) might stem from any issues se might have and not from here bf. As long as there is no commitement everything is fun and games but if I start to demand a certain level of commitment she might back away because she might feel a relationship with anyone is not right for here at this time even if her current bf might be out of the game. I am fun, we share some interests, we are casual.

    I also understand the attachment part. I have been in the same boat, meaning in a crappy relationship but I did not het out because I was afraid I would stay alone forever. She might have different issues that keep her in her relationship. Maybe her relationship in reality is wonderful but she is promiscous. All of this is possible and so I do not want to jump the gun by confessing my feelings.

    I thought my post would answer your posts indirectly but I guess I was not clear enough. 🙂

    If I am still missing any points please do elaborate more.

    Thank you.
    Matic

    #85508
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Matic:

    I didn’t try to communicate to you that you are a release valve of sort for her, or that you should demand commitment from her. You are also trying to think what she might think (that a relationship with anyone is not right for her). Then you are assuming she is in a crappy relationship just like the one you had… which is not likely the case.

    Your original post was clear and very sensible. Three hours later you “sound” hurried etc. so your state of mind is different. This is why I suggested you re-read LATER when you are calm. This is an important point- when distressed, hurried, rushed, it is not time to analyze and understand and figure out what to do.

    Here is what you wrote on a second post on this thread: “I really do not want to get stuck in the so-called friend zone. Maybe this is a silly concern, but it is a concern non-the-less.” It is a valid concern and I “heard” you, this is why I suggested to tell her how you feel in a way that honors you, make yourself visible and … fluid, not invisible and STUCK (your word)- I suppose this is scary and anxiety producing, to unstuck yourself and express yourself, but there is much growth possible there. You are very intelligent, what you need, I believe, is courage to communicate honestly your feelings to her in a dignified way, in a way that does not demand commitment from her. This is one important point you missed so far.

    If you still do not see my point, please come back to this later. When hurried, distressed, afraid, there is a mental fog and one can’t see through it, no matter how intelligent and how clear at other times. Got to let the fog dissipate.

    anita

    #85518
    lovelimess
    Participant

    I’m not sure what you want with this girl but she has a bf.
    It’s usually hard to start something serious with someone who is in a relationship when you meet them. She may leave the bf and start something with you but don’t be surprised when she does the same to you.

    Casual, no-strings attached fun is not the way to go with someone who is in a committed relationship. Be her friend.

    #85526
    Matic
    Participant

    Dear anita.

    I am impressed with your astute observation. I was in a hurried state when I wrote the second post although on the third post I was calm nad level headed, but when you said that I missed something I reread your post and I forced myself to see it through a different light. Maybe that is way it does not make any sense. 🙂 When I was writing it, it also did not make any sense to me.

    About telling her about my feelings… I decided that I will wait a little more time and if this not go away I will tell her in the sort of fashion you suggested.

    I do not have the time right now, bacause it would be long, but yesterday we talked for 4 hours all by ourselfs, and I will write an update for you a little later. 🙂

    Dear lovelimess

    What I want with her is to be with her. Casual is not what I want and I would not settle for it.

    What I started to comprehend through this last year is that loyalty just for the sake of it is not very smart. Believe me she is not the kind of girl that goes from flower to flower so I am sure that if she leaves him I will not be the reason I will only be the catalyst. If I treat her right and if I really would be a great boyfriend I am positive that she would not leave me because she would get bored or something. Also if she does leave me for another guy who makes her happier than me than in my book that is just fine. I do want her to be happy even if that means she would not me with me. Who am I to stop someone from being happy. Also I am sure that if she would not be happy I also would not be happy.

    #85530
    Matic
    Participant

    So here is the update.

    We agreed we would watch a movie together in the evening yesterday when she would come home from work. When she came home I offered her some tea so we sat down in the kitchen and talked. We ended up talking from 10pm to 2am when I went to sleep, because the conversaation was starting to fizzle out and I wanted to remember the evening for how we had a really good conversation and not the silence.

    We started like usually with lots of joking and laughing but because I wanted to take the opportunity to get to know her on a deeper level I started to ask her a little more personal questions. I asked her what are her worries. We talked about our exes. She was a little hesitant at first, because as I suspected she is quite shy, but as I opened up so did she as she saw I trully listen.

    She talked about how she sometimes feels of little value, how she is insecure in her current relationship and how her current bf in esence just brushes it off when she brings it up with him. Another woman was kind of involved with him but she does not know for sure. She only saw some weird facebook messages from him to a girl he went out to party with, saying how he is thinking about her and he would be glad if they could go out together but if not he wants for her to have a happy life. In my book this is a weird thing to say to another girl but it is not really straight up evidence for cheating. She did immidiately bring it up with him but he just said nothing happened.

    She also told me she has an inferiority complex regarding her proffesional success. As I battled with a similar situation I tried to offer her some advice but I was really not trying to bash her relationship and was just lending an ear.

    We did give a lot of compliments to each other. Me calling her very smart and very kind and I did say a couple of times how cute she is when she smiled and such stuff, and she also complimented my looks, how interesting I am and how she loves to listen to me because what I have to say is really smart.

    I think it was a really great evening. I think we connected on a deeper level and I think she now knows I can not only make her laugh but she also knows how deep I trully am and that I am more than willing to lend an attentive ear whenever she needs it.

    Also after yesterday I see here in a different light. I think she is even better than I could have dreamed off and I realized we really do have a bunch of things in common. We like the same stuff we hate the same stuff, we aspire to the same stuff and I really do think I am starting to have strong feelings for this girl. I just think she is perfect. This is where my head starts shutting off and I am really writing with my heart. I also stopped having any anxiety. I do wish to be with her but all of a sudden this is not so important. I somehow just want her to be happy. When I see her happy I am extremely happy. She trully is my sunshine and even if she stays with her current boyfriend I do not feel like I am any worse off. I cant really explain it because it is such a strange and novel feeling for me. I have never felt something like this.

    Thanks for reading. Have a great day.
    Matic

    #85564
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Matic:

    Excellent information gathering although during last post your head was shutting off (your words) and if it goes on this way, you may not effectively use your information gathering of last nights and future such gathering. Information is very powerful, objective information.

    If the account on facebook is accurate then her boyfriend is available for cheating- it’s right there in what she read. But she may be focused on her insecurities so she is not seeing the powerful information she herself gathered and saw with her own eyes! People see what their heart wants to see. People don’t see what is scary for them to see. True to her. True to you- true to most people. So don’t give up YOUR ability to see objectively, Matic.

    In this and everything, honor yourself. Express what you feel and what you want, again, in a dignified way, but express yourself. this is the best thing you can do for yourself. You can’t control the outcome, what another will do, how she will react, but at the least To Thy Own Self you can be true and that is your best shot in life.

    Continue to update …?

    anita

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