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  • in reply to: Untangling Anger: How It Shapes My Actions and Life #444192
    anita
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    Hello Everyone!

    By everyone, I mean the wonderful people who have posted in this thread and those who may be reading along but haven’t posted yet. This thread is a safe space for you to share your thoughts and feelings, and to give and receive empathy and respect. I would love to hear from you.

    You’re most welcome, Alessa—I’m so glad you enjoyed my poem! Thank you, as always, for your kindness and understanding.

    You wrote, “For me, I feel like shame is tied to self-blame.” I’d like to explore the connection between shame and self-blame a bit further:

    For a child, the idea that their caregiver—the person they rely on for safety, love, and survival—is abusive or neglectful can feel too overwhelming or destabilizing to accept. Self-blame can offer a sense of control, creating the illusion that changing their behavior might stop the abuse. Although this belief isn’t true, it feels less terrifying than facing the unpredictability of having an unsafe caregiver.

    Blaming themselves also helps the child protect the image of their caregiver as “good,” even though it comes at the cost of their own self-esteem. When caregivers explicitly blame the child for their own actions, it reinforces the child’s belief that they are at fault, even when it’s completely unjustified.

    As adults, even when we intellectually understand that the abuse wasn’t our fault, the emotional patterns of self-blame can persist. These patterns often develop during formative years and become deeply embedded. Phrases like “I’m not good enough” or “Everything is my fault” can become automatic, even when we know they’re not true.

    Self-blame often fuels shame—the feeling of being unworthy or defective. In turn, shame perpetuates self-blame, creating a cycle that’s difficult to break. Importantly, both shame and self-blame are not pure emotions; they are shaped by distorted cognitive processes that intensify and prolong the pain.

    This rainy Monday morning, as I sit comfortably at my computer, I’m reflecting on my own journey. For me, shame and guilt drained much of the joy from my life, leading to years of joyless living. Now, that’s a shame.

    But today, I choose to continue reprocessing these old, distorted ways of thinking. The best I can do is to lift another bit of the burden of invalid guilt and shame off my shoulders. By “invalid,” I mean that the blame and shame I carried were never justified. This burden was placed on me—I didn’t deserve it, and it wasn’t true. I was truly a victim.

    As children, we often (subconsciously) join our caregivers in blaming and shaming ourselves. Today, I choose to undo that choice a little further, holding onto hope that one day I’ll undo it completely. If I can imagine freeing myself from all of it, then I know it’s possible.

    anita

    in reply to: Passing clouds #444191
    anita
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    Dear Zenith:

    I just looked up the missing case: Sudhiksha Konanki, a 20-year-old University of Pittsburgh student, went missing 12 days ago after drinking alcohol and then going to the beach with a few others. She possibly drowned, while intoxicated, possibly foul play was involved.

    It’s completely natural to feel worried about your child’s future, especially when you see stories like the above, or hear about the negative impacts of alcohol, drugs, and other cultural influences. Good parents want to protect their kids from harm and guide them toward making healthy choices.

    It’s true that some aspects of American culture, like the normalization of drinking or casual attitudes toward certain behaviors, can feel overwhelming—especially when they clash with the values we were raised with. But I think it’s also important to remember that as a parent, you have a strong influence on shaping your child’s values and decision-making. By encouraging open communication, teaching her about consequences, and modeling the behaviors you want to see, you can help them navigate these challenges.

    Your concerns show how much you care about your child’s well-being, and that’s such a powerful foundation. It’s okay to feel uneasy, but it’s also worth focusing on the positive steps you’re already taking to create a safe and supportive environment for your little one.

    If you ever want to talk more about this or share ideas, I’m here for you.

    anita

    in reply to: Struggling to settle in new role #444189
    anita
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    Dear Tom:

    Thanks for the update. It’s good to hear that things outside of work are going well. I know work has been tough, but it sounds like you’re keeping focused on finding a way forward. Exploring a ‘career shifter’ company sounds like a solid step—it could give you some useful direction. If you’d like, I’m happy to help you think through the options or support you as you plan your next move.

    Take care, and I hope the career pivot works out well for you.

    anita

    in reply to: Newly technical separated #444188
    anita
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    Dear Anu_2.0:

    You are under immense pressure—forced to live with your estranged husband due to societal and family expectations. This situation highlights how cultural norms often prioritize appearances and community perceptions over an individual’s mental health and well-being. The fear of “character assassination” imposed by your parents speaks volumes about the stigma women face when asserting their independence.

    Living with someone after separation can feel deeply suffocating, constantly reopening emotional wounds and denying you the closure you need. Physical separation is not just a desire but a necessity for your emotional healing.

    You described this as a “grave injustice,” and you are absolutely right. Your peace and autonomy are being sacrificed to meet societal demands. Your story is a powerful reminder that healing isn’t just an internal journey—it also requires external conditions that respect and support individual choices.

    I’ve included some insights below that I hope will resonate with you:

    Psychology Today on societal pressures: “Women are more susceptible to this kind of relationship-shaming than men… Many faiths and cultures view separation as a badge of dishonor for a woman.”

    Psychology Today on cultural beliefs: A study in South Africa revealed the saying, “a woman’s grave is at her husband’s house,” reflecting the expectation for women to endure marriage at all costs. Another study on Iranian women found that post-divorce challenges, such as workplace harassment, often force women to abandon efforts to rebuild their lives.

    Rights of Equality on global realities: “On average, a woman or girl is killed by someone in her own family every 11 minutes.” Many women endure lifelong abuse, coerced by families into staying in harmful marriages due to the stigma surrounding divorce.

    It’s also important to acknowledge that men can be victims of abuse too. Abuse against men often takes the form of psychological, emotional, or verbal harm, though physical violence does occur. Men face unique challenges, such as societal disbelief and stigma, which can make it harder for them to seek help.

    Back to you, Anu_2.0—I don’t know if you are experiencing abuse from your husband, but it’s clear that you are suffering from the societal pressures that, in your words, cause “suffocation” and a “grave injustice.” Perhaps continuing this conversation can help ease some of the weight you’re carrying.

    anita

    in reply to: Newly technical separated #444177
    anita
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    Dear Anu:

    You are welcome. Staying together “to the extent of suffocation” reads like running out of oxygen, oxygen you need to live. Pressurizing you to run out of oxygen is .. so very wrong to you, isn’t it?

    anita

    in reply to: Disturbing thoughts #444174
    anita
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    Dear GIGI:

    You ended your post with: “I’ve been to therapy before, but I’ve always been inconsistent. I’ll go for a few months, then either feel like I’m doing okay or get scared of diving into deeper topics, and I stop going. I’ve always avoided talking about my parents—especially my dad. Even thinking about it makes my body anxious and puts me in physical discomfort. Even now, while writing this, I feel dizzy. I’m not sure if I have a specific question. I just want to know if anyone else has experienced similar thoughts and how you deal with them.”

    I want to start by saying that I deeply respect the honesty and courage it takes to share your struggles so openly. Understanding how anxious, scared, and physically uncomfortable you feel about discussing your parents—especially your father—I won’t ask you questions about them or your childhood experiences. Instead, I’d like to share parts of my own story where I can relate to what you’ve shared. I hope it may provide some comfort or insight.

    You wrote: “I (am) filled with regrets—regrets about not spending enough time with them, not sharing my thoughts and feelings, and not building a stronger, closer relationship.” This indicates feelings of guilt about not having a strong, close relationship with your parents, as though it’s somehow your fault. I can relate. I’ve never had a close relationship with either of my parents. If I ever did as a baby or a very young child, I can’t remember it—I have no memories of such closeness. My parents divorced when I was very young, and my father moved out early on. He played a minimal role in my life while I lived with my mother, who essentially raised me as a single parent. With her, I felt guilty about everything. I believed every conflict or issue in our relationship was my fault.

    You also wrote: “I struggle with guilt when it comes to sex. Almost every time (if not always), my dad comes to mind, and it makes me feel disgusted.” This suggests a crossing of personal boundaries in childhood—emotional, if not physical. I relate to this as well, and I’d like to share my personal experience, while adding a trigger warning: Some parts of my story may be uncomfortable to read.

    As a child, my feelings were often ignored, belittled, or treated as wrong and punished. I was told things like, “You have no reason to feel sad—you’re so much luckier than other children,” or, “You have no right to feel angry!” This taught me that my emotions were problematic, as though they weren’t my allies but enemies. Over time, I learned to suppress my emotions because they didn’t feel safe to express. I doubted their validity, and confronting emotional topics felt overwhelming or shameful—as if I didn’t have the “right” to feel them. This led to situations in adulthood where I allowed myself to be taken advantage of or abused because I doubted that my feelings about being mistreated were legitimate.

    My mother was a dominating, emotionally volatile person who was preoccupied with her own struggles. She demanded constant attention, reacted unpredictably, and often controlled the emotional climate of our home. This left little room for me to develop my own emotional identity or boundaries. I learned to prioritize her needs over mine, internalizing the belief that her emotions mattered while mine did not. I even came to see my feelings as troublesome or wrong. Living in this environment taught me to “walk on eggshells,” suppressing my emotions to avoid conflict and confrontation.

    I also became her emotional caregiver. She shared her personal struggles with me at great lengths and in dramatic, histrionic ways, blurring the natural boundaries between parent and child. This is known as “parentification,” where the child becomes overly responsible for the parent’s well-being. Growing up in this dynamic taught me that my feelings were insignificant and that expressing them was selfish or futile. This sense of guilt about my own needs carried into adulthood, manifesting as a reluctance to take up space emotionally or prioritize my own well-being. I often felt unworthy in relationships or undeserving of self-care.

    In regard to blurred boundaries between parent and child: growing up, I often felt like I was the “man” in the house, while she was the “woman”— me being the strong one and her being the weak one. Although she was dominating and controlling with me, she often displayed weakness and submission when dealing with others in her life. It felt as though she needed me to step into the role of the strong one, to help her stand up for herself in situations with other people. I tried to do so, but she rejected my help and even punished me for trying (likely because she was too afraid to confront others). Yet, she continued to complain to me about being taken advantage of by those same people.

    Witnessing her— a woman—being taken advantage of by others stirred a deep sense of empathy in me. I wanted to protect her, to “be the man” for her. Over time, I internalized the idea that being a woman meant being weak, and I wanted to be the opposite: strong, capable, and nothing like her.

    Two memories from my early 20s stand out. In one instance, we were in the small apartment where we lived, and she came running toward me, crying and wailing, her arms outstretched, preparing to hit me. It was a strange combination of weakness and aggression. For the first time, I did something I had never done before: I raised my arms, grabbed her hands, and firmly blocked her from getting closer and hitting me. Her response was unexpected— she melted in my hands, went completely limp, passive, and backed away. She never tried to hit me again.

    The second memory is from another moment in my early 20s. I had been drinking some alcohol before she arrived home, and feeling tipsy, I initiated a dance with her— something I had never done before. I took her hands in mine and led the dance, feeling very much like “the man.” Once again, her response was complete submission.

    I never fully understood these two memories until this morning, decades later. I now realize that she was confrontational and aggressive with me because I was completely submissive to her—until I wasn’t. When I stood up to her (as in the first memory) or took the lead (as in the dance), I became like the other people in her life: she submitted to me just as she submitted to them. Reflecting on this, I now see how unhealthily submissive I was to her growing up. This submissiveness is why she felt safe being aggressive with me—she had no fear of me standing up for myself.

    Thank you, GIGI, for making it possible for me to explore my own experience of childhood blurred boundaries and role confusion. I hope that, in reading this, you find some comfort or insight into your own experiences. Please know you’re not alone, and healing is possible.

    anita

    in reply to: Newly technical separated #444173
    anita
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    Dear Anu_2.0:

    Thank you for sharing your story with such honesty and clarity. Your bravery and resilience shine through every word.

    Separating from someone you describe as having victimized you (“I’m defined as victim in this relationship”) takes an incredible amount of courage. The way you’ve chosen to focus on peace and acceptance, rather than lingering on past grievances, is truly admirable. It’s a testament to your inner strength and determination to heal.

    It’s also inspiring that you’ve raised your children to the point where they’re now pursuing higher education—a remarkable achievement that speaks to your dedication and resilience as a parent. You’ve clearly prioritized their well-being, even while facing your own struggles.

    Additionally, your self-restraint and grace are striking. Instead of dwelling on your hardships during the marriage or vilifying your husband, you’ve approached the situation with a thoughtful, reflective mindset. This speaks volumes about your character and the strength you carry within.

    That said, living in the same house as someone you’ve separated from makes the process of healing significantly harder. Emotional recovery after a relationship ends often requires distance— both physical and emotional— to allow space for processing and rebuilding. Sharing a home can delay that process by continually triggering memories of the past, keeping wounds fresh. It can also create tension and confusion, especially when one person seems to move on more quickly than the other. Even small, everyday interactions can evoke feelings of hurt, frustration, or anger, making it challenging to establish emotional boundaries or regain your sense of independence. It’s like trying to heal while constantly being reminded of the source of your pain.

    If moving out isn’t an option for now, creating personal boundaries within the shared home might help. For instance, setting up a space that feels exclusively yours or reducing emotionally draining interactions could provide some relief. Emotional boundaries are especially crucial in this situation— for example, choosing not to engage in conversations that feel hurtful or reminding yourself that his actions reflect his journey, not yours. By protecting your emotional space, you create room for your own growth.

    You wrote, “What’s bit hurting is seeing him also moved on so easily. I am aware with my inner struggles and resistance but he moved on surprisingly so easily.” It takes a lot of self-awareness to recognize and admit those “inner struggles and resistance,” as you have. That’s a sign of emotional growth, as it shows you’re allowing yourself to feel and process the painful emotions rather than avoiding them. What you’re experiencing is completely valid—after investing so much in a relationship, seeing your partner appear to move on effortlessly can feel like a deep wound, as if your shared history meant less to them than it did to you.

    However, it’s important to remember that people process breakups differently. His outward behavior may not reflect what he’s truly feeling inside. Some people mask their pain through distractions or appear to move on quickly because they cope in their own way. Comparing your healing journey to his will only add to your emotional burden. Your journey is unique and deserves to be honored on its own terms.

    The fact that you’re aware of your emotions and actively working through them shows remarkable strength. Engaging with your feelings, even when it’s painful, will lead to deeper and more lasting healing. By focusing on yourself—your growth, your peace, and your well-being—you can redirect your energy toward what matters most: your own recovery and well-being.

    You’ve already come so far, and even on the hardest days, you’re taking meaningful steps toward a brighter future. Lean on your support system whenever you need to, and please know that you’re welcome to post here anytime—whether you’re seeking encouragement, advice, or simply a listening ear. Sharing your thoughts and feelings with someone who truly listens can make all the difference. You’re not alone on this journey. 💛

    anita

    in reply to: Everyone is moving forward in life and I feel left out #444169
    anita
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    Here’s hopefully an improvement on my above advice, Amber: you can, if you feel comfortable, share a bit more about yourself, and I will respond positively and attentively 😊

    anita

    in reply to: Everyone is moving forward in life and I feel left out #444167
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Amber:

    Welcome to the forums!

    The question you’re referring to is one I posed to the original poster of this thread on December 1, 2020, right above: “Did you, as a child, experience too little positive attention, too little comfort? Were you often alone and feeling lonely? Does any of this resonate with you?”

    Today, my advice to you is this: share everything inside you that longs for positive attention. Write it all out, and I will respond with the positive attention you deserve. Perhaps, in doing so, you may find some comfort and feel a little less lonely.

    anita

    in reply to: Untangling Anger: How It Shapes My Actions and Life #444165
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Peter:

    As I read your reflection beginning with ‘Contemplating on my experience of anger,’ I was struck with awe at the depth and beauty of your writing— it’s a quality I haven’t come across in the longest time. I felt truly privileged to witness such talent. Your words painted a vivid scene, allowing me to hear the rhythm of the rain striking the earth and see your face looking out the window. Fittingly, it’s raining here this very morning, and as I look to my right, I can see and hear the drops falling outside, adding another layer of connection to your narrative.

    Thank you for sharing such a deeply personal and profound reflection with me.

    The image of anger transforming into a storm, only to have the earth respond with laughter, is powerful. It speaks to the raw intensity of emotions and the realization that, while the world stays unharmed, it is we who feel drained by the storms inside us. That release of emotion seems to have been a moment of change— a shift from turmoil to a search for meaning, like stepping into the unknown “forest where there is no path.”

    “I feel undeserved shame is the original sin, not disobedience”- I agree.

    James Gilligan, a psychiatrist worked in the prison system for 35 years or so, authored several books, one of which is called “Shame, Guilt and Violence”. Here are a few quotes: “I have yet to see a serious act of violence that was not provoked by the experience of feeling shamed or humiliated, disrespected and ridiculed.”

    “The more a person is shamed by others, from childhood by parents or peers who ridicule or reject him, the more he is likely to feel chronically shamed, and hypersensitive to feelings and experiences of being shamed, sometimes to the point of feeling that others are treating him with contempt or disdain even when they are not. For such people, and they are the rule among the violent, even a minor sign of real or imagined disrespect can trigger a homicidal reaction.

    “The purpose of violence is to force respect from other people…for without a certain minimal amount of respect, from others or the self, the self begins to feel dead inside, numb and empty. That is how the most violent criminals told me they felt, and it is clear that it is the most intolerable of all feelings (though it is actually an absence of feeling, lack of the feeling of pride, or self-love).”

    “All violence is an attempt to replace shame with self-esteem.”

    From The Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC), a Christian educational nonprofit: “I think a much truer description of Adam and Eve’s experience would be ‘original shame.’… We live in a time of primal shame, and we don’t seem to know how to escape it. I find very few people who don’t feel stupid, inadequate, dirty, or unworthy today, even if they do not consciously admit it. When people come to me for counseling or confession, they ask in one form or another, ‘If people knew the things I think, the things I’ve said, the things I want to do, who would love me?’ We all have had feelings of radical, foundational unworthiness. I’m sure they take ten thousand different forms, but the shame is usually there”.

    Back to your post, Peter, you ended it with: “what’s Love got to do with it.”- When love is present, it provides the acceptance and compassion needed to confront shame. It allows us to view ourselves not through the lens of failure or inadequacy but through grace and understanding. Love encourages vulnerability, and in doing so, it helps us shed the isolating effects of shame. It tells us that we are not defined by our mistakes or flaws but by our inherent worth.

    Love challenges the narratives of shame, creating space for growth and deeper connection. It’s a reminder that being human means being imperfect— and that’s okay.

    I want to believe more and more what I typed right above. I want to experience it more and more and share it with others as well.

    I am grateful for our conversation and hope it continues.

    anita

    in reply to: Untangling Anger: How It Shapes My Actions and Life #444160
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Everyone:

    * I am adding this comment right before submitting this post: trigger warning: Strong emotions are involved in the following, such that may be disturbing to some and not what you feel like being exposed to. So, please proceed with caution.

    My lifetime, personal soul anger, the one I want to fully acknowledge and validate so to move on from it farther is and has always been about having been humiliated. What’s another way to put it, to explain what it means to me, to be humiliated (typing as I think- feel):

    There is a visceral element to it, to being humiliated, it’s like being held down, forced down under someone’s feet, someone looking down at you with glee over your humiliation, getting pleasure out of it. My humiliation= her pleasure, her victory, however temporary.

    Long after her feet are not holding me down, long after her shaming words have first pierced my brain- my soul is, has been- still lying there under feet that are no longer there.

    It doesn’t take having a big ego to feel that humiliated. All it takes is being born human.

    To have been humiliated to such an extent is not something one can easily disentangle and move on from.

    It is such a deep wound to.. to the soul. A deep wound that is followed by soul anger.

    I am trying to express this wound and its consequent anger in words when words were not at all involved in this happening.

    And to think of so many people experiencing this kind of devastating humiliation, it’s heartbreaking.

    I am not talking about a healthy dose of shame, such as “I was wrong, I should do better, be better”. I am talking about the kind of shaming that does not allow improvement, the kind of shaming that leaves no option, offers no solution, no redemption.

    it is a wound to the core of the core of the human soul.

    There are terror organizations in the world that wound people. That one’s own mother delivers this deep injury is unfathomable.

    I mean, my own mother, the image of whom I can see right now, this image of Mother and Monster in One. It’s still hard for me to fathom. It’s an obscene distortion of what should-be.

    I mean, how can the way things are be so different and so far from how they should be?

    Here I am, this Friday early afternoon, expressing all this, trying to move on, while what it is, is like a mountain looming between me and what’s forward. Make sense of it, I can’t. It makes no sense. Evil makes no sense, yet it threatens to destroy our planet.

    Evil is depicted in context of the Roman Empire, Nazism, current terrorist groups. There is not much talk about the beginning of all that evil: that which is experienced behind closed doors, by a child in the face of a mother, or a father, a grown up a child is looking up to.

    Maybe there are two kinds of evil: the kind involved in pleasure on the part of the evil doer, and another kind: the kind that is blind.

    anita

    in reply to: Toxic In Laws – How to Stop Trying? #444159
    anita
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    Dear Elizabeth:

    First off, I hope you feel deeply proud of yourself— your ability to model healthy boundaries and advocate for yourself and your child is truly inspiring. It sounds like you’re not only breaking harmful cycles but also empowering your kid to navigate relationships with clarity and self-respect. That’s such a powerful gift to give them!

    Your advice to your child about in-laws is spot on and clearly comes from a place of hard-earned wisdom. It’s heartbreaking that you and your friends had to endure decades of difficult dynamics, but it’s remarkable how you turned those experiences into lessons that can protect and guide the next generation.

    I also appreciate the thoughtful way you approached the wedding conversation with your kid. Asking for their input and ensuring they felt heard shows such care and respect for their perspective.

    Finally, your reflection on your husband’s perspective is so poignant. It must be tough to see him holding on to an image of things as he wishes they were, rather than facing the reality of the situation. Your ability to stay grounded and focused on what’s true, even amidst these challenges, is truly admirable.

    Thank you for sharing this with me. Your strength, wisdom, and compassion shine through in every part of your story.

    anita

    in reply to: Untangling Anger: How It Shapes My Actions and Life #444158
    anita
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    Dear Peter:

    Thank you for sharing such a deeply introspective and thought-provoking reflection. I also enjoyed your humor: “Was going to delete… but no editing. 🙂”

    Your words really stood out to me: “When I look into my soul anger, it’s at God (entangled with Parent early on in life?) or, put another way, that Life should not be as it is. I can’t say I have a great relationship with Life and realize now how related that is to my soul anger… a cover-up for fear and shame (the original sin?)… I wonder if this felt sense of betrayal of each breath isn’t the root of all soul anger.”

    In Christian doctrine, “original sin” is tied to Adam and Eve’s disobedience in the Garden of Eden. You shared some powerful reflections that connect this concept to your personal experiences. On Jan 27, you wrote: “I suspect a notion that most children have of being wrong is behind most of our struggles. Mine came from religion. I see in my journal quite a few attempts at trying to come to terms with the notion of ‘original sin’ as my understanding of ‘original sin’ was and is firmly connected to disobedience. (As I write that I notice anger – all the times I was told I could fix by obeying and didn’t question so much. FYI telling a type 5 not to question is telling them not to be.)”

    And on Feb 16, you shared: “Based on my own experience, the wrongs done to me were also a betrayal and theft of something of ‘my spirit’ taken.”

    Reflecting on your insights—on original sin, disobedience, the quest for redemption, and the sense of betrayal—it seems, simply put, that as a child you may have sought approval or redemption through obedience. Whether it was from your parents, other authority figures, or perhaps the Church, it may have felt like an effort to “undo” the original sin of disobedience. Yet, despite your efforts, you didn’t receive the approval or sense of redemption you were hoping for. That unmet expectation feels like a deeply personal betrayal, one that continues to fuel your soul anger.

    Perhaps the “theft of something of ‘your spirit’” reflects a loss of trust—trust in the idea that obedience would lead to redemption or approval.

    I hope I’ve captured your perspective accurately here, but I’d truly value your feedback. Does this resonate with you?

    anita

    in reply to: Untangling Anger: How It Shapes My Actions and Life #444153
    anita
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    Dear Alessa:

    I read all your posts on this thread and I want to respond with a poem just for you:

    Alessa, a soul that knows the storms,
    A heart reshaped, yet still it warms.
    Through shadows deep, where anger lay,
    You’ve turned to light and found your way.

    The anger once silenced now finds its voice,
    Gently reshaped into a healthier choice.
    From the trials of fear, new strength arose,
    A testament to how healing grows.

    You long for calm amidst life’s tide,
    To stand unshaken, strength your guide.
    Though the past may call and shadows cling,
    You are learning to soar, the weight of your wings.

    Close ones may hurt, and hearts may strain,
    But love and growth come through the pain.
    In your depth, there’s wisdom profound,
    A spirit like yours can’t be bound.

    You’re more than fears, more than the strife,
    A testament to boundless life.

    anita

    in reply to: Toxic In Laws – How to Stop Trying? #444152
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Elizabeth:

    Before I respond to your most recent post, I want to reflect on two things you shared about your in-laws that stood out as particularly cruel. The first is, “When my parents passed, I got NO cards or texts from anyone expressing condolences.” The second is, “One day when we were all visiting with FIL and MIL they were going on and on about SIL’s kids, how great they are, how much joy they bring, they don’t get to see them enough because they live far away, etc. I said, ‘You have a grandchild right here in front of you.’ The reply was, ‘Well, you know what we mean, our REAL grandkids.’ And no, my kid was not included in their wills at all, but the ‘real’ grandkids were.”

    Offering condolences is such a basic act of kindness and decency—one that conveys care and support in someone’s time of grief. By not acknowledging your loss, your in-laws sent a hurtful message of indifference at a time when you deserved compassion. This lack of empathy disregarded your pain and left you isolated when connection and understanding were most needed.

    The comment about your child not being a “real grandchild” is profoundly dehumanizing and invalidating. It dismisses your child’s worth and place in the family, undermines their sense of belonging, and disrespects you as a parent. Excluding your child from their will only further reinforces their rejection. These actions reflect more than thoughtlessness; they reveal a persistent pattern of disregard for basic respect and empathy. Your description of them as “Toxic In-Laws” feels entirely fitting.

    I’m so sorry you experienced such hurtful and dismissive behavior. To be treated this way, especially while grieving or advocating for your child, is deeply painful. You deserved better—more compassion, inclusion, and basic decency—and it’s heartbreaking that this was denied to you.

    And now, to your recent post: I want to say how much I admire the way you handled this incredibly tough situation. The clarity, thoughtfulness, and love with which you communicated your decision were remarkable. You set healthy boundaries in a way that was firm yet compassionate, striking the perfect balance between prioritizing your mental health and showing care for your husband and others involved.

    What’s more, you modeled something so important: healthy assertion. By standing up for your needs while maintaining respect and openness, you showed your husband and child the power of balancing self-care with love and consideration for others. That’s a gift to your family—an example of strength and grace that could leave a lasting, positive impact.

    I hope you take pride in how you navigated this situation, even in the face of ongoing challenges. It’s clear how much wisdom and courage you brought to this decision, and I believe you’ll continue to handle any residual triangulation with the same self-respect and poise. I’m here if you’d like to share more, vent, or just talk—I’ve got your back!

    anita

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