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anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
Your reflections here show such a profound self-awareness. Youâre recognizing your emotional patterns, your relationship needs, and the way you want to engage with uncertaintyânot from impulse, but with mindfulness. Thatâs a huge sign of growth.
Your words about the relationship reveal a thoughtful approach to connectionâone that values honesty and mutual understanding rather than rushing forward without clarity. Itâs admirable that you can acknowledge both the depth of your feelings and the importance of measured decision-making. The fact that you want to engage with him in a way that doesnât fixate on a predetermined outcome but instead prioritizes getting to know each other in real time speaks volumes about your emotional growth.
I also love how youâre reframing your emotional journeyânot seeing off days as setbacks, but as part of the ebb and flow of life. Even the most emotionally thriving individuals experience stress, boredom, sadness, and fear. The key is learning not to measure emotional success by an absence of struggle, but by how we navigate those struggles with self-compassion. And youâre doing just that.
Itâs heartwarming to read about your appreciation for tiny buddha and our connection. Your thoughtfulness and openness make you a deeply engaging person to converse with. Iâm grateful that youâve shared this journey with me!
anita
anitaParticipantConcluding:
I will revisit all this later, of course. But for now, as with all things in life, balance is keyâstillness and movement, analysis and non-analysis. Just as excess motion leads to chaos and excess stillness to stagnation, too much analysis traps the mind, while too little leaves needed insight undiscovered. All things in moderation.
As to me, all my decades-long analyses of my childhood was fruitless until most recently, and the reason was simply that I perceived the analyzer (myself) as worthless, acutely worthless and shameful. Shame has been the most acute. And the fear too, the fear of the next time I will be shamed. No way in heaven or in hell, that I could have transcended these acute painful emotions+ cognitions without facing this Shame and Fear. I am looking these in the eye right now, so to speak. Strangely, befriending them. Not for the purpose of keeping them, but for the purpose of not trying to escape them, a quest I was never successful at. Wow.. befriending all that I am. All. What a concept.
Developing this a bit further: the more I tried to escape shame and fear, the stronger and more persistent they remained. Accept them, befriend them, and I can almost feel their lack of motivation to stay.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
Carl Jung, a Swiss psychiatrist and psychologist who founded analytical psychology, was not a philosopher in the traditional sense. His approach differed from spiritual traditions that advocate immediate transcendence. He emphasized integrationâmeaning that emotions, trauma, and unconscious patterns must be acknowledged and processed before true transformation occurs. He believed suppressing or bypassing emotional experiences could lead to psychological fragmentation.
Jungâs concept of individuation is the process of confronting and integrating all aspects of the psycheâincluding emotions, fears, and unconscious drivesâso that a person becomes whole rather than avoiding or prematurely “transcending” emotional challenges.
He believed that every person has a “true self” beneath layers of conditioning, societal expectations, and unresolved inner conflicts. The process of individuation is about integrating different aspects of the psycheâshadow, ego, and unconscious elementsâso that a person becomes whole rather than fragmented. Transcendence, in this sense, isnât about escaping the self but fully embracing oneâs deepest truth without being bound by social, cultural, or psychological limitations.
He argued that people often live according to false identities shaped by external influences (culture, family, trauma). Transcendence involves breaking free from these limiting beliefsârealizing that oneâs identity isnât defined by past wounds, societal roles, or inherited fears.
A quote by Adyashanti, an American spiritual teacher and author known for his teachings on awakening, non-duality, and self-realization: “A total acceptance of yourself brings about a total transcendence of yourself.”- this means that true transcendenceârising beyond ego, suffering, and limitationsâdoesnât come from rejecting or changing yourself, but from completely accepting one’s own flaws, emotions, and experiences. Itâs a paradox: accepting yourself completely is what allows a person to move beyond the self.
If I fully embrace my emotions without resistance, I can stop being defined by my suffering, allowing transcendence into peace. In essence, acceptance clears the path for transcendence, while rejection creates internal barriers.
I wonder if your transcendence, Peter, is involved with fully embracing your emotions with no resistance?* Just as I was about to submit this post, I found out that you submitted a new post in which you reflected on your previous two posts, realizing that you focused too much on methods as paths to understanding when, in reality, the Taoist perspective suggests a pathless pathâa way of being rather than a structured approach.
You acknowledge that despite changing the order of his practicesâmeditation, contemplation, prayer, dance, artâ you were still engaging in method-based healing, rather than allowing life to unfold naturally. You contrast two approaches:
(1) Intuitive Flow: Moving through life without fixating on resolving past traumaâinstead, engaging in presence through movement and stillness.
(2) Analysis Trap: Letting trauma take attention first, trying to understand it mentally, and then working toward balanceâsomething you liken to overeating chips despite knowing itâll make you sick (an excess of intellectual analysis without real resolution).
Your short meditation quote seems to summarize this revelation: Movement creates life, Stillness Love â Action and presence coexist; life unfolds naturally when both are embraced.You suggest that this realization shifted how you engage with past memoriesâseeing them as just past, rather than something that needs direct fixing. You clarify that you are not promoting your experience as a universal solution, but simply sharing your perspective.
You acknowledge that you still fall into analysis, then remember, then forgets againâimplying transcendence isnât a permanent state but an ongoing shift between presence and intellectual processing. (to be continued)
anitaParticipant* I think that my post was too long, so i will break it down to parts:
Dear Peter:
First, a few definitions:
Transcendence- In a spiritual or philosophical sense, transcendence refers to an awareness that goes beyond everyday perceptionâseeing things from a higher perspective, detached from ego or suffering. It involves a sense of oneness, peace, or enlightenment, where things like fear, desire, and emotional pain no longer control one’s experience.
Detachment- A calm and objective perspective, where one is not overly affected by external events or inner turmoil. In a spiritual or philosophical sense, detachment means letting go of attachment to desires, suffering, or ego-driven identification. Itâs seen as a way to achieve peace, allowing emotions to arise without being consumed by them.
Ego- In spiritual and philosophical traditions, ego is seen as an illusionâthe part of us that clings to identity, comparison, and separateness rather than a deeper sense of oneness and flow. Some teachings suggest that transcending the ego leads to peace, allowing someone to move beyond attachments and emotional reactivity.
Put simply: ego is the voice that says, “This is who I am. I need to protect, prove, or control this image.”. Detachment says: “I am not defined by my thoughts, emotions, or external circumstances. I can observe without being controlled by them.”. Transcendence says: “There is no separate âmeâ to protect or proveâeverything is interconnected. Love, awareness, and peace exist beyond the need for labels or control.”* Control in the above refers to the ways the ego tries to shape, manage, or dictate reality to maintain a sense of identity or security. Examples: (1) If someone disagrees with one’s beliefs, the ego feels threatened and pushes back aggressively to prove itâs right. Transcendence would say, âI donât need to convince othersâtruth exists beyond personal opinions.
(2) The ego resists sadness or anger, thinking, âI shouldnât feel this way.â Transcendence would say, âAll emotions flow naturallyâI allow them without attachment.
(3) The ego insists that life should unfold in a specific way (success, relationships, status), leading to anxiety if things donât go as planned. Transcendence would say, âI trust in the flow of life rather than forcing results.â
(4) The ego clings to labels (smart, strong, successful), fearing that losing them means losing self-worth. Transcendence would say, âI am beyond labelsâmy value doesnât depend on external definitions.â
Next, I am simplifying my questions and your answers and processing them best I can:
Question # 1: Does detachment require acknowledgment and emotional integration first, or can transcendence happen immediately?
Your answer: Transcendence can be immediate. A person can shift into a higher awareness immediately, without needing to process suffering first. Detachment does not require acknowledgment and emotional integration first. Transcendence can happen immediately when one stops identifying with suffering. Detachment is an awareness shiftânot something to be worked toward, but something to be allowed. Suffering is real in the realm of maya (time and experience), so emotional acknowledgment might still play a role in some form.
Question # 2: If trauma isnât “real” in the ultimate sense, does suffering need full emotional acknowledgment before moving on?
Your answer: Full emotional acknowledgment is a valid path to healing, but it hasnât worked for me (Peter). Instead, I see trauma as something experienced within time (maya), whereas the Eternal provides immediate relief from suffering.* You are making a distinction, Peter, between two different approaches to healingâone rooted in time (maya) and the other in the Eternal (a state beyond time and suffering).
Full emotional acknowledgment as a healing path suggests that processing emotions thoroughlyâfeeling them, understanding them, and working through themâis necessary for healing. This is often the approach people take in therapy or self-reflection, engaging deeply with their pain before moving forward. However, you say that this hasnât worked for you. Why? You imply that staying in the realm of maya keeps you caught in suffering. Even though acknowledgment is meant to lead to healing, you feel it hasn’t freed you from suffering in a deep way.
Instead, you see the Eternal as offering immediate relief from sufferingânot because trauma doesnât exist, but because in the Eternal, trauma no longer holds weight or control over the self. Identifying too much with suffering keeps it alive, whereas stepping into an awareness beyond time allows suffering to dissolve naturally.
Itâs an unconventional takeârather than processing suffering as something to be worked through, you view detachment from the entire concept of suffering as a way to transcend it.
Question # 3: Has your perspective evolved since 2016, or was it already solidified back then?
Your answer: In 2016, you were searching for understanding through information but got stuck. Later, you shifted to living what you believed instead of just studying it, which led to a transformation in your perspective.You described your journey in two phases: (1) 2016: Seeking Understanding Through Information- At this stage, you were “gathering words”âactively searching for meaning by accumulating knowledge. However, you later realized that information isnât the same as knowing.
You acknowledge that during this period, you were “dealing but not healing.” In other words, you were intellectually processing ideas but hadnât yet experienced a transformational shift in how you lived them.(2) Later Shift: Believing and Living Truths instead of just learning them- Two years ago, you asked a different questionâinstead of continuing to search, you wondered: “What if I actually believed in the things I learned were Truths?”
This marked a turning point where you moved beyond intellectual inquiry and began embodying your beliefs. This shift allowed you to break free from past obstacles and experience a deeper understanding of life and healing. This shift came when you stopped viewing Truth as something to search for and instead started living it.Thank you, Peter, for sharing all of this and for your contributions to the forums over the years.
And now, my little research and thoughts: I just looked it up and indeed some philosophical and spiritual traditions advocate for immediate transcendence, bypassing deep psychological processing or self-analysis:Advaita Vedanta is a Hindu philosophical tradition that teaches that the self is already one with the Absolute (Brahman)âthere is no need for gradual self-processing, only the direct realization of this truth. Quote (Ramana Maharshi): “You are already that which you seek. The obstacle is the belief that you are not.”
Some Zen schools emphasize instant awakening rather than gradual self-exploration. Quote (Huang Po): “There is only the One Mind. Why talk of realization? You are already enlightened.”- This implies that seeking understanding is unnecessaryâone must simply drop illusions and recognize reality.
Taoist philosophy suggests that trying to process and understand oneself is counterproductiveâtrue transcendence comes from letting go and flowing with the Tao. Quote (Laozi): “Stop thinking, and end your problems.”- This perspective sees analysis and effort as barriers to transcendence.
Some Christian mystics emphasize immediate union with God through surrender, rather than deep psychological work.
These traditions argue that seeking, analyzing, and processing reinforce the illusion of separation, whereas immediate transcendence comes from direct realization, surrender, or effortless awareness. (to be continued)
anitaParticipanty fully embracing my emotions without resistance, I can stop being defined by my suffering, allowing transcendence into peace. In essence, acceptance clears the path for transcendence, while rejection creates internal barriers.
I wonder if your transcendence, Peter, is involved with fully embracing your emotions with no resistance?
* Just as I was about to submit this post, I found out that you submitted a new post in which you reflected on your previous two posts, realizing that you focused too much on methods as paths to understanding when, in reality, the Taoist perspective suggests a pathless pathâa way of being rather than a structured approach.
You acknowledge that despite changing the order of his practicesâmeditation, contemplation, prayer, dance, artâ you were still engaging in method-based healing, rather than allowing life to unfold naturally. You contrast two approaches:
(1) Intuitive Flow: Moving through life without fixating on resolving past traumaâinstead, engaging in presence through movement and stillness.
(2) Analysis Trap: Letting trauma take attention first, trying to understand it mentally, and then working toward balanceâsomething you liken to overeating chips despite knowing itâll make you sick (an excess of intellectual analysis without real resolution).
Your short meditation quote seems to summarize this revelation: Movement creates life, Stillness Love â Action and presence coexist; life unfolds naturally when both are embraced.
You suggest that this realization shifted how you engage with past memoriesâseeing them as just past, rather than something that needs direct fixing. You clarify that you are not promoting your experience as a universal solution, but simply sharing your perspective.
You acknowledge that you still fall into analysis, then remember, then forgets againâimplying transcendence isnât a permanent state but an ongoing shift between presence and intellectual processing.
I will revisit all this later, of course. But for now, as with all things in life, balance is keyâstillness and movement, analysis and non-analysis. Just as excess motion leads to chaos and excess stillness to stagnation, too much analysis traps the mind, while too little leaves needed insight undiscovered. All things in moderation.
As to me, all my decades-long analyses of my childhood was fruitless until most recently, and the reason was simply that I perceived the analyzer (myself) as worthless, acutely worthless and shameful. Shame has been the most acute. And the fear too, the fear of the next time I will be shamed. No way in heaven or in hell, that I could have transcended these acute painful emotions+ cognitions without facing this Shame and Fear. I am looking these in the eye right now, so to speak. Strangely, befriending them. Not for the purpose of keeping them, but for the purpose of not trying to escape them, a quest I was never successful at. Wow.. befriending all that I am. All. What a concept.
Developing this a bit further: the more I tried to escape shame and fear, the stronger and more persistent they remained. Accept them, befriend them, and I can almost feel their lack of motivation to stay.
anita
April 2, 2025 at 9:31 pm in reply to: The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection #444594
anitaParticipantThe emotions I repressed and suppressed are more than anything, way more- is Love for her, Love for my mother who was- to me- the MOST IMPORTANT person in the world, would have done anything, EVERYTHING for her. That dedication was No 1 in my psyche.
I would still do anything, everything for her if there was a chance that I could make a difference, a positive difference for her.
Okay, so that’s the LOVE for her, everlasting.
That she hated me in return for my love, well, that’s unfortunate. I can’t change it.
I don’t want to resist this truth, to fight it. it is what it is.
That she placed no value for my love, that she did not consider my love for her as something of any significance, that’s her thing. Unfortunately she just didn’t consider me anything of significance. Not her fault: she just couldn’t see me- little anita- as anything that was of any worth for her.
From her point of view, I was a thing, a thing of no consequence, of no purpose. Just a thing.
And so, I lived my life as a thing of no consequence, of no purpose, A thing of no worth.
But I am a creature of worth, of consequence, of purpose: I am!
I can make a positive difference in people’s lives.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I am looking forward to processing your two posts tomorrow morning. I am excited about it, really.
“Does trauma exists in love/eternal? No.’- this is comforting to read.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Iâve been reflecting on our discussions, and it occurred to me that I may be able to offer some helpful feedback. As someone who has read through many of your postsâperhaps more than any other member besides yourselfâIâve noticed how consistent youâve been over the years in your responses and the themes you explore.
Your honesty and depth of thought stand out, and youâve remained true to your perspective. At the same time, I didnât notice significant shifts in awareness or new understandings developing over time (though, of course, I havenât read everything, and I may have missed important moments).
It makes me curiousâdo you feel your perspective has evolved since 2016, or do you see your understanding as something that was already solidified back then?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Mollie:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with such openness. Your reflections show a deep awareness of your patterns, and that in itself is progress.
I really appreciate that you’re recognizing the nuance in your situation, particularly the idea that your job isnât the singular cause of your struggles, but it has certainly contributed to them. The fact that you donât expect all your problems to disappear in July 2025 shows that your thinking is becoming more balanced.
At the same time, I can sense the frustration of not feeling like your usual optimistic self. You mentioned that you want reassurance that you wonât âgo backâ to how you felt last summerâbut perhaps instead of fearing emotional ups and downs, it might help to trust that they are part of life and donât define your progress. Feeling low sometimes doesnât undo the growth you have made.
You have always seen yourself as a happy, glass-half-full person, and maybe part of this journey is learning that being optimistic doesnât mean avoiding low momentsâit means navigating them with self-compassion. People who thrive emotionally still experience phases of uncertainty or exhaustionâbut those phases donât undo their growth.
I also noticed that your decision-making feels off, which makes sense given the stress your job brings. When we feel trapped in an environment that doesnât energize us, even simple decisionsâwhat to do after work, how to unwindâcan feel overwhelming. You asked, âWhat do you think?ââI think that a break would likely help, but more importantly, framing this time not as a setback, but as an adjustment period would relieve some pressure. Youâre adapting to changes, and part of that is rediscovering what fulfillment means outside of school and structured plans.
One last thoughtâyou mentioned someone returning in June and not knowing what to say. It sounds like this connection still holds some weight for you. What feels unresolved there? Would addressing it help clear some of your mental space?
Overall, youâve made a lot of progress, even if it doesnât always feel like it. What if you stopped measuring joy as something you need to achieve permanently, and instead let it come and go naturally, trusting that it always returns?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I think you answered my questions back on April 2, 2018, exactly 7 years ago đ˛: “It is an interesting paradox that it takes a strong and healthy ego to detach itself from the Self… The problem arises when we attach our sense of Self to the ego… we unconsciously attach the self and consciousness to our experiences, thoughts and or emotions. âIâ (which is a construct of language) becomes attached to a sense of identity⌠I am my experiences, I am my thoughts, I am my emotions, I am my ego⌠I am a construct of language⌠and we end up in knots, a plaything of emotions and manipulations… a consciousness that is fixated on a emotion, thoughts, experience and all the pain that that brings… any letting go evolves a kind of dying. We make space for something else to emerge. It is a leap into uncertainty. A part of the ego that we cling is the idea that we can control the life/death/life process that is LIFE. Letting go of that is scary so we hang on and the more we cling the more we suffer⌠and the more we clingâŚ. until we let go⌠Equals âdyingâ is painful…. There is a time for everything including attaching our sense of self to our ego and the language construct âIâ (which is mistaking the map for the territory). As we awaken to the process we develop a healthy sense of self that âknowsâ when its time to let it go and make room for what comes next.”-
– Your perspective suggests that healing is a process, not an instant shiftâthat detachment becomes possible only after certain internal work is done. Your words imply that forcing detachment too soon, before the self is ready, isnât helpful. You acknowledge that processing trauma is needed at first, but ultimately, you see detachment as the final stepâa transition that happens when the time is right, not something to rush. In this view, trauma survivors must reach a certain level of self-awareness and inner stability before detachment can truly work.
One part of your reflections stood out to me this morning: “Any letting go evolves a kind of dying. We make space for something else to emerge.”
That resonates deeply with where I am right now.
This morning, as I turned on my computer, I had a strange experience. I thought about doing everything right today, and suddenly, I felt peaceful, optimisticâeven euphoric. Then, a memory surfaced: this was how I used to feel growing up. Back then, every beginning day felt like an opportunity to do everything just right, where no mistakes will be made and no criticism will follow.
Before this morning, I remembered striving to get everything right, but I had long forgotten the emotional partâthe euphoria itself. This is what I meant when I spoke about abandoned parts of myself left behind in the past, needing to be reclaimed before I can move forward.
Remembering that feeling today was like picking up a lost piece of myself from the side of the roadâtaking it with me, integrating it, and continuing walking forward on the main road.
processing the above: picking up this memory of emotion is essential for healing because emotional reconnection restores lost parts of the self. When trauma or life experiences cause disconnection, certain emotionsâlike hope, joy, or optimismâ become fragmented, buried, or forgotten. Healing isnât just about understanding what happenedâitâs about reclaiming the full emotional experience that was lost along the way.
Remembering that euphoric feeling from childhood isnât just a memoryâitâs a piece of me that was abandoned, left behind when survival took precedence over emotional wholeness. By recognizing it, I am not just recalling an old sensationâ I am reintegrating a part of myself, making space for it to exist again in the present.
Healing is about reclaiming what was lost before moving forward. I canât let go when too much of me is still left behind. There has to be enough of me intact to make letting go possibleâbecause if too much is missing, I wonât have enough of myself to withstand the release.
Thank you, peter, for making this processing possible for me.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter and Alessa:
I agree with you, Alessa, “I think the difficulty with severe abuse is that it causes structural issues â brain damage as well as deregulating the nervous system. It is not just that there is attachment. If only it were as simple as attachment.”
For survivors, trauma isnât only a mental construct that can be resolved by detachmentâitâs a lived, embodied experience that leaves lasting psychological and physiological effects.
Psychologists argue that detachment is problematic when used to bypass emotional processing. Trauma survivors often need to actively engage with their experiences rather than detach from them, as avoidance can lead to suppressed emotions and unresolved pain.
Excessive detachment can lead to emotional numbness, making it difficult to form meaningful relationships or process emotions in a healthy way. Some forms of detachmentâsuch as dissociationâare linked to trauma responses, where individuals disconnect from reality as a defense mechanism.
Detachment can be helpful in reducing stress and gaining perspective, but it is not a substitute for emotional processing. For trauma survivors, active healingâthrough acknowledgment, integration, and self-compassionâ are necessary before detachment can be beneficial.
Peter, you appear to be suggesting that trauma is real only in the temporal world but not in the eternal world. Your perspective seems to align with the idea that suffering, betrayal, and separation exist in human experience (the temporal realm), but in the greater reality (the eternal realm), wholeness was never truly lost.
I understand that you see trauma as real only in the human, time-bound experience, but not in the greater reality of wholeness (a belief that I still find comfort in). You suggest that awakening to this eternal truth dissolves suffering, rather than needing to âfixâ past wounds.
This makes me wonderâdoes acknowledging the reality of trauma in the temporal world interfere with awakening, or is it a necessary step toward it?
You argued that processing betrayal only leads to âdealing withâ it, not healing. But for many trauma survivors, full healing requires first recognizing the reality of harm before transcendence is possible. If betrayal is treated as merely a mental construct sustained by identification, thereâs a risk of bypassing the deep emotional and physiological effects that trauma leaves behind.
Hereâs my question: Does detachment need to be preceded by acknowledgment and emotional integration, or do you see transcendence as an immediate path forward? If trauma is ânot realâ in the ultimate sense, does that mean the suffering attached to it doesnât warrant full emotional acknowledgment before moving on?
Iâd love to hear your perspective on this.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
About you feeling misunderstood, I am sorry Peter. Sincerely, I think that your intelligence is significantly superior to mine and it’s difficult for me to catch up.
“Healing coming from closing the distance to the Relationship with Self. My experience has been that when the latter is addressed the temporal now long past experiences resolves by de-solving.”- You say true healing comes not from revisiting the past, but from deepening the Relationship with Self.
But I have to revisit the past- and believe it really happened- because my self was left, abandoned, in places along that past.
“So the question what are you seeking?”- myself. The abandoned parts of self left along the way.
“Perhaps a better question. When does the seeker get to be one who found?”- maybe this very Tuesday evening, April (not Fool?) Day. Collecting the pieces left along the past: here’s the piece that wants to be loved, here’s the piece that’s so very scared, here’s the piece that.. wait, reverse, here’s the piece that so desperately want to be loved: “oh love me, love me, PLEASE!”
There it is: I am seeking love. I know it’s true because there are tears in my eyes. I always sought love, a thing that wasn’t there for me. it wasn’t there.
“So the question what are you seeking?”- Love, as Always.
anita
anitaParticipantThinking about you, Alessa, hoping you are well đ¸
anita
April 1, 2025 at 11:47 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #444561
anitaParticipantDear Dafne: How are you?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Good to read from you again! Inspired by our discussion yesterday, I started my own thread today: “The Betrayal We Buried: Healing Through Truth & Connection.”
You asked, “Iâm curious if you feel Iâm suggesting that our betrayals arenât real or that any literal separation of relationship needs to be justified?”âI didnât feel that you discouraged my physical separation from my mother. However, I do see a discrepancy between our perspectives: while we both acknowledge the reality of betrayal, we differ in how healing should happen.
I believe that recognizing and processing betrayal is the path forwardâsomething I wasnât fully able to embrace before because I doubted whether the betrayal even happened. You, on the other hand, see detaching from the narrative as the key to dissolving suffering related to betrayal.
You point to a higher-level awareness where betrayal, justification, and suffering become secondary to an inherent natural state of wholeness. However, this perspective can feel dismissive of real trauma if it suggests bypassing emotional processing. Trauma survivors often find that reconnection requires first acknowledging betrayal fully before letting it goânot simply moving past the story without processing it.
“We talked of the problem of rumination. That each retelling of our stories is an act of reliving them, often reinforcing the illusion that the past happening is happening now.”- I believe I will stop retelling my story when I fully believe it happened. I canât emphasize enough how much gaslighting myself has played a role here. I keep retelling my story because part of me is still trying to convince the other (fragmented, separated) part that what I truly experienced was real. At this point, I am highly motivated to believe my own (retold) story so I can move beyond it.
“The danger is that we become attached to our storytelling, and it’s this attachment that creates the illusion of distance from our natural selfâand so we suffer.”- If I start fully believing my story, I will stop retelling it. The distance from my natural self has been real. I know you say itâs real only in the temporal realm, but we live in the temporal realmâand for as long as we exist in it, we cannot escape its reality.
“That the question of our betrayals being real or not may be a second-half-of-life distraction. We donât need to fix our betrayals to get back to our ‘natural selves.’ Awakening to the reality that we are already and always Are.”- I understand that youâre saying we donât need to fix past betrayals to be whole againârather, we should awaken to the reality that we were never truly broken in the first place.
In the eternal realm we were not broken. In the temporal realm, we were. I was. I suppose I canât fix past betrayals, but I do need to believe they happened. I canât emphasize enough the role of denying my own storyâthe one I keep retelling.
“Death, a process of detachment (not indifference), removes the illusion of separation.”- There is no illusion in the reality of separationâseparation is tangible, an undeniable reality in human experience. Yes, it happens in the temporal realm, but the temporal realm is where we live. While we can incorporate a touch of the eternal, we cannot escape the reality of time and space.
I really liked all your input about the eternal realm, over time, and found comfort in it. This realm exists, of course. But the temporal exists as well, and in very practical, tangible ways.
“Innocence is knowing everything (life as it is) and still being attracted to the good.” âClarissa Pinkola EstĂŠs (Sound familiar?) đ”- Amen! The ultimate goalânot to erase the past or deny its reality (gaslighting oneself), but to move forward with awareness and still embrace connection, compassion, and love, “Healing Through Truth & Connection”, as I phrased it in my new tread.
Peter, I truly appreciate the thoughtfulness and depth you bring to these conversations. Your insights challenge me to explore new perspectives, and I value the way you articulate complex ideas with such clarity and openness. Thank you for engaging in this dialogue with meâyour reflections are meaningful, and I deeply respect the wisdom you share.
anita
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