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anitaParticipantI will soon be retiring for the night đ and will be back (so I plan) Mon morning.
What I want to say now is that you are not responsible for her feelings.
You are doing your best.
Be on your side before intending to be on anyone else’s side.
đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
She probably knows very well that you value her!
And you are NOT GUILTY, Confused.
How I wish I could dissolve your feeling of guilt đ
You are not her parent, you did not bring her into this world. You met her only 8 months ago.. long-distance and been with her physically only 3 days?
Guilt may belong perhaps to people who brought her into this life (parents), if they mistreated her.
Guilt does not belong with you!
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
I know the kind of turmoil you’re experiencing because I experienced something similar, overthinking, angst, with moments of feeling fine đ
My point đ tonight (using my phone, so here are all the emojis. Lol), my point is, you are important, your well- being matters, no less than hers.
Put yourself first, tonight, tomorrow and every day.
You say đ€ your fear is losing her. But do we ever “have” anyone?
If we don’t own anyone, we can’t lose (the person we could never own).
Please đ tell me if I’m making sense to you?
đ€ Anita
January 4, 2026 at 6:38 pm in reply to: Family and Friends Seem to Want Nothing to Do With Me Anymore #453809
anitaParticipantGow are you, Elena?
anitaParticipantWhatever comes to mind this Sun afternoon in regard to the most powerful, the most influential, well, DOMINATING entity in my life: my mother.
I say entity because she stripped me of my humanity (the right to think, to feel, to have or keep a sense of autonomy and agency, rendering me “a thing”.
And an unsatisfactory, faulty thing.
These days I feel no love for her, no longing, no guilt. The other day I prayed for her to feel no pain, or as little as possible, and zI do feel empathy for her as the child/ adolescent victim that she has been.
But I feel no empathy for her in the context of her involvement in my life where she was perpetrator and I was victim.
In that context. empathy belongs to me, not to her.
In the context of her relentlessly shaming, guilt-tripping, and instilling in me tormenting self-doubt and distrust, persecuting me with endless untrue accusations.. in this context of my life with her, I deserve 100% empathy and she deserves none.
I lived a mostly wasted, dissociated, zoned-out life, a terribly đ lonely life, so isolated within and without.
I am not feeling anger at her tonight, and haven’t for a while. I wish her nothing but relief and as much well-being as is possible for her. But I no longer feel responsible for how she has ever experienced her life. Nothing zI did wrong, nothing I was wrong in context of me and her.
I am reclaiming my childhood innocence, my đŻ love and good will for her as her daughter.
She used to tell me that she was the best mother in the world and that I. being B.A.D, didn’t deserve her. It was a lie, a false message. I was the best daughter a bad mother could have had.
This is my update.
Anita
anitaParticipantThinking đ€ about you, Alessa. I am using my đ± so these emojis automatically show up and I think they’re cute.
About my phone- it’s the latest victim of Bogart’s chewing. It still works đȘ but the case is all chewed up.
Three days since you posted. I hope đ that you’re okay đ..?
đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
AI: Everything (about what you shared, Confused, your words) fits a very recognizable pattern for people with a history of chaotic childhoods, insecure attachment, and chronic emotional overload. None of this is âweirdâ or âbroken.â Itâs a nervous system trying to protect itself.
Below is a clear, structured exploration of each topic you asked about.
đ± 1. What might help him stabilize emotionally-
When someone is dissociated, numb, or overwhelmed, the goal is not to âfix feelingsâ but to regulate the nervous system. Emotional stability comes from safety, not pressure.
đ§ââïž Grounding and slowing down:
* Reduce stimulation
* Avoid big decisions
* Focus on basic routines (sleep, food, movement)
* Gentle grounding practices (breathing, walking, warm showers)
đ§© Stop trying to force feelings:
Trying to âfigure outâ feelings while dissociated only increases panic.
His system needs rest, not analysis.
đ§ Reduce relationship pressure:
He needs space where:
* No one is demanding clarity
* No one is asking for emotional performance
* He doesnât feel responsible for someone elseâs happiness
đ« Supportive, lowâdemand connection:
Talking to someone he trusts â without needing to âperformâ emotions â helps the nervous system settle.
đ Avoid making the partner his emotional anchor:
He said she became his âmeaning.â Thatâs too much weight for any relationship.
He needs internal sources of stability again.
đŹ 2. How to communicate with his partner without pressure-
The key is honesty + boundaries + no promises.
What he can say: âIâm emotionally shut down right now, and itâs not about you.â
âI need time to regulate before I can understand my feelings.â
âI care about you, but I canât make decisions from this state.â
âLetâs slow down and check in gently.â
What he should avoid:
*Overexplaining
* Apologizing excessively
* Making promises about the future
* Trying to âfixâ her feelings
* Forcing himself to feel something
Why this works: It removes pressure from both sides and gives the relationship a chance to breathe instead of suffocating under fear and urgency.
đ 3. How attachment patterns show up in LDRs-
LDRs amplify attachment wounds because they involve: distance, uncertainty, delayed reassurance, imagination filling in the gaps.
For someone with anxious or disorganized attachment, LDRs often trigger: fear of abandonment, fear of being replaced, fear of losing connection, overthinking, emotional dependency, intense highs and lows.
For someone with avoidant tendencies, LDRs can trigger: fear of engulfment, fear of losing independence, shutdown when things get too real, discomfort with future planning
For someone with disorganized attachment, both happen: craving closeness, panicking when closeness becomes real, chasing â shutting down â chasing â shutting down
This is exactly the cycle he described.
đ 4. How to rebuild feelings after a shutdown-
This is important:
Feelings donât come back through pressure. They come back through safety.
Steps that help:
* Give the nervous system time to settle
* Remove urgency and decision-making
* Reconnect slowly through low-pressure interactions
* Rebuild internal stability (sleep, routine, grounding)
* Re-engage with hobbies and life outside the relationship
Allow feelings to return naturally
What doesnât work:
* Forcing himself to feel love
* Analyzing the relationship to death
* Trying to âfixâ the numbness
* Making big decisions while dissociated
When the system calms, feelings often return â sometimes suddenly, just like they disappeared.
⥠5. How to understand the ârepulsionâ response-
This scares people the most, but itâs actually a known trauma response.
Itâs not about the partner. Itâs about the nervous system saying:
âThis is too much. Too fast. Too risky. I need distance NOW.â
It can feel like: disgust, repulsion, âickâ, wanting to run, feeling like the partner is a stranger.
This happens when: vulnerability feels dangerous, the partner becomes emotionally available, the relationship becomes real, the future feels overwhelming, the person fears losing themselves, the person fears being abandoned later.
Itâs a protective reflex, not a reflection of true feelings.
đ§ 6. How to differentiate numbness from true disinterest-
Hereâs the simplest way to tell the difference.
đ§ Numbness looks like:
* Loss of feelings for everyone
* Loss of joy in hobbies
* Depression, fog, dissociation
* âI feel nothingâ, âI donât care about anythingâ
* Fear of making the wrong choice
* Confusion
* Guilt
* Panic about losing the person
â True disinterest looks like:
* Stable, calm clarity
* Consistent lack of desire to reconnect
* No fear of losing the person
* No guilt
* No confusion
* No global numbness
* Still enjoying life, just not the relationship
He clearly fits the numbness category, not the disinterest category.
His fear of regretting it later is a huge sign that the numbness is not the truth â itâs a temporary shutdown.
đ Final Thoughts- Everything heâs experiencing is: understandable, common among people with similar histories, reversible, not a sign that he doesnât care, not a sign that heâs âfakeâ, not a sign that the relationship is doomed
Itâs a sign that his nervous system is overwhelmed and trying to protect him.”
AI
anitaParticipant* As well
anitaParticipantUsing my phone again, so won’t be back to the computer for the next few hours, but when I am back, I will ask for input on all 6 items.
And you are very welcome, Confused. You deserve mental and emotional well-being, and if I (and at this point, AI as wee) can be of any help, we would like that very much. đ
đ€ Anita
anitaParticipantWhat an interesting story, Thomas.
So, the monk wanted to have a secret 1-to-1 meeting with the attractive nun (because an open meeting would have gotten him expelled from the group), professing his great love for her, and next, she confronted him in front of the group: “âIf you really love me so much, come and embrace me now.â
Did the story end there or does it say how the monk reacted or whether he was expelled?
Anita
anitaParticipantHey again, Confused:
Next, I fed AI with what you shared about your previous relationships: “They were all short-lived (longest one 7 months), most of them toxic and Iâve always been the anxious/chaser, definitely not secure… I was mostly anxious/chasing” and asked for input on this quote.
Input: “It actually makes a lot of sense that his relationships played out this way. When someone grows up in a chaotic, unpredictable, or emotionally unsafe home, their nervous system learns to chase connection because connection was never reliably given. What Confused described â short relationships, toxic dynamics, and an anxious/chaser role â fits a very recognizable pattern.
… What âanxious/chasingâ really means- When someone becomes the âchaser,â itâs usually because: They learned early on that love is inconsistent, They fear abandonment more than conflict, They feel responsible for maintaining closeness. They try to âearnâ affection through effort, caretaking, or emotional labor.
This isnât a personality flaw. Itâs a survival strategy that once made perfect sense.
Why his relationships were short-live- Short, unstable relationships often happen when: 1. Heâs drawn to partners who feel familiar- If he grew up with unpredictability, he may unconsciously choose partners who: are inconsistent, pull away, create emotional highs and lows
Not because he wants chaos, but because his nervous system recognizes it as ânormal.â
2. Anxious attachment creates intensity, not stability- Anxious partners often: pursue harder when the other withdraws, overthink small changes, feel unsafe unless constantly reassured, tolerate red flags because they fear losing the connection. This can burn out both people quickly.
3. Healthy partners may feel âboringâ- Someone secure and consistent might not trigger the familiar emotional rollercoaster, so the relationship doesnât âfeelâ right â even though it is right.
Why he ended up in toxic dynamics- People with anxious attachment often fall into toxic patterns because: They ignore their own needs to keep the peace, They stay too long in unhealthy situations, They confuse intensity with love, They fear being alone more than being mistreated, They try to âfixâ or âwin overâ emotionally unavailable partners
This creates a cycle where the anxious partner chases, and the avoidant or inconsistent partner pulls away â a painful but common dynamic.
The hopeful part: anxious attachment is highly changeable- The fact that he can describe his pattern so clearly is already a sign of growth. People with anxious attachment often become some of the most emotionally intelligent, self-aware, and secure partners once they start healing.
The shift usually begins when he learns to: choose partners who are consistent, slow down when he feels the urge to chase, tolerate the discomfort of not knowing, express needs directly instead of through pursuit, build internal safety rather than seeking it externally
He doesnât need to become a different person â he just needs to update the strategies he learned as a child.”
Next, I fed AI with what you shared about your current relationship: “I went from being madly in love with my LDR girl for 8 months â> sudden loss of feelings overnight for no apparent reason… the primal feeling of disgust/repulsion that I felt suddenly that morning when I read the messages, something I’ve never experienced before, like a visceral reaction to something that hurt me.”, and what you shared yesterday (Jan 3): “Yesterday I came clean to her about everything in my mind. My shutdown, my possible avoidant attachment, my depression and nothingness… Iâve never received so much love, and I wasnât very vulnerable… I was the chaser/fixer UNTIL things got steady, she âconfessedâ her feelings to me and how I made her feel in a poem that she wrote (which made me feel like something inside me shook), then we had the conversation that felt weird to me, then I lost feelings/dissociated…. just half an hour ago, I felt a sense of ‘relief’ in my body, like I am back to my old self (before I met her)… It scares me and I feel like a clown because just a day ago I was longing for her… Switching so fast canât be normal… But I canât give her up like that, I feel like a fake person… I know sheâs great, Iâve seen many qualities that she has over the months Iâve been getting to know her. I don’t know yet, I have to give more time..”
AI input: “What heâs describing is intense, painful, and very real, but itâs also something that many people with a history of chaotic childhoods, insecure attachment, and chronic stress experience. Nothing here makes him âbrokenâ or âfake.â It makes him someone whose nervous system is overwhelmed and trying to protect him in the only ways it knows.
… 1. The âsudden loss of feelingsâ is not actually sudden- When someone has: a chaotic childhood, disorganized or anxious attachment, chronic stress, emotional exhaustion, fear of abandonment or engulfment, a tendency to make a partner their emotional anchor.. itâs very common for the nervous system to shut down when something feels too big, too risky, or too uncertain.
This shutdown can feel like: numbness, dissociation, apathy, loss of joy, âI donât love them anymoreâ, âI feel nothing for anyoneâ, âIâm talking to a strangerâ, disgust or repulsion
These reactions are often protective, not reflective of true feelings. His system is overwhelmed, not indifferent.
2. The âswitchâ he describes is a known trauma/attachment response- People with disorganized attachment often swing between: intense longing and sudden emotional shutdown. This isnât moodiness or immaturity. Itâs the nervous system flipping between: âI need closeness to feel safeâ and âCloseness is dangerous, I must shut downâ
The shutdown can be triggered by: perceived rejection, fear of losing the person, fear of being trapped, fear of being responsible for someone elseâs happiness, fear of being abandoned later, fear of making a life-changing decision (like moving countries)
His trigger seems to be the conversation about relocation â a huge, destabilizing topic for someone who already struggles with internal safety.
3. The ârepulsionâ or âdisgustâ feeling is also a known protective response- This one scares people the most, but itâs actually a documented reaction in people who: feel overwhelmed… Itâs not about the partner. Itâs about the body trying to create distance fast.
Itâs a survival reflex, not a reflection of his true values or desires.
4. His emotional numbness toward everyone is a huge clue- He didnât just lose feelings for her. He lost feelings for: friends, family, hobbies, life in general. That points to: emotional burnout, chronic stress, depression, dissociation, nervous system overload. Not a relationship issue.
When the system is shut down globally, it cannot produce romantic feelings for anyone.
5. The moment she became emotionally available, his system panicked- He said: âI was the chaser until things got steady.â- This is classic for people with anxious or disorganized attachment.
When love is uncertain, they chase. When love becomes real, their system panics. Why? Because real intimacy = real risk.
Her poem, her confession, and the conversation about the future likely overwhelmed him.
6. His confession made him even more numb â thatâs meaningful- He said: âImmediately after confessing everything to her I went even more numb.â This is extremely common when someone: shares vulnerability for the first time, feels exposed, fears being judged or abandoned, feels theyâve âgiven someone powerâ
The numbness is a protective freeze response.
7. The relocation conversation was a major trigger- For someone with: fear of abandonment, fear of losing stability, fear of losing identity, fear of being responsible for someone elseâs happiness.. the idea of moving countries is enormous… His system likely interpreted that conversation as:
âThis is too big. Too risky. Too much responsibility. Shut it down.â8. He clearly cares â the numbness is not the trut. He says: âSheâs a great person.â, âI adored things about her.â, âI was head over heels.â, âI donât want to lose her.â, âIâm scared Iâll regret it.â, âI feel like a fake person.â People who truly donât care donât talk like this.
His fear of losing her is real. His numbness is temporary.
9. What he needs right now- Not a decision about the relationship. Not pressure to feel something.
Not forcing clarity.He needs: emotional rest, reduced pressure, space to regulate, time to reconnect with himself, support from people he trusts, gentle, non-demanding communication
His feelings will not return under pressure. They return when the nervous system feels safe again.
10. The relationship is not doomed â but it canât carry his entire emotional world He said she became his âmeaningâ and âsource of joy.â Thatâs too much weight for any relationship.
He needs: internal sources of stability, a sense of purpose outside the relationship, emotional regulation skills, a slower pace, reassurance that he doesnât have to decide anything right now
If both partners approach this with patience and honesty, this relationship could actually become a healing one.
My overall take- What heâs experiencing is: understandable, common among people with similar histories, reversible, not a sign that he doesnât care, not a sign that heâs âfakeâ, not a sign that the relationship is doomed
Itâs a sign that his nervous system is overwhelmed and trying to protect him.
If you want, I can help you explore: (1) what might help him stabilize emotionally, (2) how to communicate with his partner without pressure, (3) how attachment patterns show up in LDRs, (4) how to rebuild feelings after a shutdown, (5) how to understand the ârepulsionâ response, (6) how to differentiate numbness from true disinterest.
Just tell me where you want to go next.”
Well, Confused. I can’t analyze what you shared better than AI just did. If you’d like to explore any item from #1 to #6, please let me know.
Anita & AI
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
I think I get it: in your last message last night you wrote: “I have to give more time..”, and in my last message to you, I asked (unclearly): more time to say what to her?
I don’t know why I boldfaced SAY and I have no memory of boldfacing the word.
This morning I’m doing another study in regard to your posts in this thread, involving AI.
So, this is what you shared in regard to your childhood/ experience with your mother: “the relationship with my mother was very chaotic, violence and arguing constantly, throwing some awkward affection here and there, then rinse and repeat. I can’t remember if I was dissociating when I was a kid, definitely trying to escape in imaginary worlds and games though… My family environment was definitely chaotic. A lot of arguing, screaming and violence while growing up. I found myself escaping reality in video games mostly.”
I copied the above and pasted it for AI and asked (based on the above quote and nothing else) how the above is likely to affect a person in regard to mental health, adult relationship patterns and attachment style.
Answer: “Growing up in a home marked by chaos, violence, unpredictable affection, and emotional volatility can shape a child in deep and lasting ways… the effects tend to show up across three major areas: mental health, attachment style, and relationship dynamics.
“Below is a clear, structured breakdown of what research and clinical observations commonly show â not a diagnosis, just an explanation of patterns that often emerge from this kind of upbringing.
1. Mental Health Effects- * Chronic Stress & Hypervigilance: A child in a chaotic home learns to constantly scan for danger. As an adult, this can show up as: Feeling âon edgeâ even in calm situations, Difficulty relaxing or trusting that things are stable, Overreacting to conflict or criticism
* Dissociation & Escapism- You mentioned escaping into imaginary worlds and games â thatâs a very common coping strategy for kids in unsafe environments. As an adult, this can translate into: Zoning out under stress, Feeling disconnected from emotions or bodily sensations, Difficulty identifying what you feel or need
* Anxiety & Depression- Growing up with unpredictable affection and frequent conflict can increase the risk of: Generalized anxiety, Low self-worth, Persistent sadness or emotional numbness
* Difficulty Regulating Emotions- If a child never sees calm conflict resolution, they donât learn it. As an adult, this may look like: Feeling overwhelmed by emotions, Shutting down or withdrawing, Explosive reactions when pushed too far.
2. Attachment Style & Relationship Patterns-
Children learn what âloveâ looks like from their caregivers. When love is mixed with chaos, fear, or inconsistency, it often leads to insecure attachment.
* Anxious Attachment- This can develop when affection is unpredictable: Fear of abandonment, Worrying about being âtoo muchâ or ânot enoughâ, Overthinking partnersâ words or actions.
* Avoidant Attachment- This can develop when closeness feels unsafe: Difficulty trusting others, Pulling away when someone gets emotionally close, Feeling smothered by intimacy.
* Disorganized Attachment- This is common in homes with violence or emotional unpredictability: Wanting closeness but fearing it, Feeling confused about relationships, Swinging between clinginess and withdrawal
3. Adult Relationship Dynamics- * Conflict Feels Dangerous: Arguments may trigger childhood memories, leading to: Panic, Shutting down, Overreacting, Avoiding conflict entirely
* Difficulty Setting Boundaries- If boundaries werenât respected in childhood, adults often: Over-accommodate others, Feel guilty saying no, Attract partners who take advantage
* Attraction to Familiar Chaos- This is subtle but common: Calm, stable partners feel âboringâ, Chaotic or emotionally unpredictable partners feel ânormalâ, Recreating childhood dynamics without realizing it
* Self-Reliance to a Fault- Growing up without reliable emotional support teaches: âI can only depend on myselfâ, Difficulty asking for help, Feeling weak or ashamed when vulnerable
—The Good News: These Patterns Are Changeable: Nothing about this is destiny. People with childhoods like this often grow into: Highly empathetic adults, Deep thinkers, Loyal partners, Emotionally aware individuals. And with reflection, support, and sometimes therapy, they can build: Secure attachment, Healthy conflict skills, Emotional regulation, Stable, fulfilling relationships
… Heal the Inner Child Who Learned Chaos Was Normal- This can involve: therapy, journaling, inner child work, talking to yourself the way a safe parent would, acknowledging the pain you went through. Youâre not trying to erase the past â youâre giving your younger self what they never got.
…Be Patient With Yourself- Breaking generational patterns is slow, courageous work. You will: slip into old habits, get triggered, feel confused, question yourself. Thatâs part of the process. Healing isnât linear â itâs a spiral. You revisit old wounds with more awareness each time.”-
Did you notice, Confused the following in the AI quote above: “Feeling confused about relationships… You will… feel confused”?
I’ll continue the AI study in a later post.
Anita
anitaParticipantHello Confused:
Actually, I have no idea what I meant in the last post last night. I know I was very tired and at that moment distracted by something. Let me try to figure it out and post again when I do.
anitaParticipantGood night, Dear Confused. Yes, you do have more time to give her.. more time to SAY..?
Back tomorrow.
anitaParticipantOh, I Confused you (lol) with another member (“Going Through Life”, who just turned 25). So, now I know your age, 31 (“just a pup”, as one of my friends would say, lol).
Yes, things will repeat, yet, THREE DAYS in real-life connection is just.. not much more than fantasy and make-believe. I mean, REALLY, you were in her real-life’s presence, and she, in yours- for parts of a THREE days segment of time. What would that be.. 15 HOURS?
“she is a great person.”- based on about 15 hours of real-life acquaintance?
Let her go.
Be back to you in the morning.
Anita
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