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anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I am sorry to read the last part 🙁 and of course, I respect your preference to not talk about it at the moment. I just said a prayer for you (I recently started praying again). I hope you remain optimistic and that things get better 🙏
When I read: “we cannot heal while not knowing the truth, or knowing the truth half way. We need to know it all, so we can process it learn from it..”, I thought I’ll share with you the first part of a post I wrote to you 3 days ago, late at night, but chose to not submit it because of the second part (which I will not include here):
“The LIES- ANYTHING AT ALL OF WHAT SHE SAID THAT I CAN TRUST TO BE TRUE?
Everything she said needs to be discarded because it’s too difficult to find a needle in a haystack.
A Champion of the Lie. Ah!!! No problem lying, none whatsoever, no such ethical consideration.. not an issue.
I think of you, Tee, as a champion for the truth, hence why I refer to you as “my hero”.
I am now a champion for the truth too!”
Maybe I will share the rest of it at a later time.
I am having a problem with the computer, so I’ll send this message before I lose it and then restart the computer and send another.
🫶 ❤️ 🙏
anitaParticipantHi Alessa 😊
It’s okay that you didn’t check in yesterday. I noticed and thought to myself that you were busy (and indeed you were).
The main reason I don’t like holidays is the food. I am anxious in regard to gaining weight. Had leftover cake and pie last evening though. It is interesting how satisfactory it can be to eat just a little dessert. I used to binge eat- large amounts. I am glad I haven’t done that in years. Still there’s anxiety about eating and body weight.
I’m glad you’re feeling better today and hope the infection clears soon!
🙏 ❤️ 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantContinuing the above line of thinking-
I am becoming clear about who my mother has been: on one hand- an act, a pretense, that of being good and loving and selfless and generous and friendly and normal; and on the other hand, the truth- extremely self-centered, unempathetic, not at all generous in intent, and too often, cruel, intending to harm and finding pleasure in it, a sadistic pleasure. And quite abnormal.
The feeling of inflicting pain made her feel powerful, and powerful felt pleasurable.
Her Act confused me for the longest time. Now I see it as an Act. And the real person.. nothing like the act.
Her act- not at all threatening. Looked so normal and friendly. She looked and sounded like the safest person in the world. When she dropped the act, she was threatening, dangerous- threatening suicide or homicide, or grave injury or just shooting the most shaming words as in out of a cannon.
So, that has been my mother.
Now I know. I can see through the Act.
The love I had for her was the love for an Act.
The lovable child that she was/is, has been locked inside of her, inaccessible. Locked in, before I was born to her. I saw signals from her inner child but NO ACCESS.
So, Strange.. not Seeing .. what was glaringly evident all along: that she had no love, no heart 4 me. Not for anyone.
And the decades of waiting for her, all the efforts.. All were futile. Can’t get an unloving person (mother, in this case), to love (me). Can’t get water out of a rock (did I say it right?)
She looked and sounded like a loving person (The Act in front of people); but she wasn’t when they were gone, when alone with me, and sometimes she revealed herself to others as well.
But the ACT, it was an amazing act, she looked and sounded like a genuinely friendly, mentally healthy, outgoing.. normal person. A very convincing act.
In between the acts all hell broke loose.
More (and back to your recent post, Tee), in the morning.
Anita
anitaParticipantNot focused now, will try to understand what you said in the morning and get back to you, me 🙂
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
Well, too much food on Thanksgiving, stuffing and pies and cakes and.. too much food (I don’t like this too-much part of the holiday 😢.)
I bet you are out of bed by now, GTL.
I am looking forward to the day you will tell me about a new love story in your life.. one beyond longing for, and missing someone who is not there (SS). Someone new, someone present, someone to love and be loved by you ❤️
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantBy a few decades..??? That’s elderly women, isn’t it?
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I hope that you’re feeling well and having a restful night. I’ll post again either tonight or tomorrow morning. Thank you for .. being you!!!
🙏 ❤️ 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Peter!
“Over time, the word love began to feel heavy for me.”- me too. For the longest time, I felt very uncomfortable saying it. I still do.
“It carries so many expectations, hopes, and associations”- yes, big time. I think it’d be a good idea to eliminate the word 🙂
“Awareness, on the other hand, feels lighter.”- yes, I see-feel that.
“So I wouldn’t say I replaced love with awareness. It’s more that awareness revealed a love that doesn’t have to be spoken about, because it’s already there in the way we breathe and live.”- perfectly said.. if I may say so.
“Perhaps I can say it more simply: As words fade, awareness uncovers what was always present.. a compassion, and a love beyond naming.”- this is even more perfectly said. I think that you are a talented writer, particularly when you simplify things.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear me: Well, I am curious how the phone conversation will feel like, for you. I hope it’d be a pleasant experience..
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Before I reread and respond to your latest post, I want to process my post of late last night.
When I wrote: “So much of the stupidity that I observe around me these very days irl is about people preferring to NOT see the glaring, evident truth. The make-believe, wishful thinking.. Irresponsible Optimism, in real-life, these very days (which I haven’t shared about).”-
I wasn’t thinking about me when I wrote the above. I was talking about other people in current circumstances.
I then wrote: “So.. funny.. My mother, my perceived goddess.. huh.. Not a good person. Dark eyes, mild sadistic smile, words like bullets hitting through the heart.. BOOM… cruel, vengeful.. May I STOP seeing her as anything other than what she was, to me, to others: MEAN. Sadistic.”-
When I read this part this morning, I felt alarmed.. as if reading the words of a crazy person. Not believing the person who wrote these words, thinking it’s a huge exaggeration, if not untrue altogether.
And now, I look at the first part of last night’s post, that about other people’s “stupidity…preferring to NOT see the glaring, evident truth. The make-believe, wishful thinking.. Irresponsible Optimism”- I sense anger there. And because I am one of those people in regard to the mother, or better say, I have been one of those people, I sense anger toward myself for not seeing the “glaring, evident truth”.
I want to develop this further:
I saw her smiling at my pain- when she did- but for decades, I didn’t remember the smile. And then, when I remembered it, a part of me normalized it as.. something every mother experiences sometimes (pleasure at her daughter’s pain). So, as disturbing as her smile was, it was.. “normal”.
Not that I felt okay with it being “normal”.. It’s that I didn’t know I was normalizing/ excusing it until right now, as I am typing this.
That normalization kept her image as.. if not exceptionally loving (lol), at least.. normal, nothing to be alarmed by.. A way to soothe myself.
I then thought, earlier this morning: Are there mothers who never find pleasure in seeing their child in pain.
I just asked Copilot: “are there parents who never find pleasure in their child’s pain?”-
Notice the question, Tee. I really don’t know the answer in regard to all or most parents.
Copilot: “Yes — absolutely, there are many parents who never find pleasure in their child’s pain…. Most parents feel distress when their child is hurting. They may rush to comfort, protect, or help their child heal. Love and empathy guide their reactions — they want their child to feel safe, valued, and supported.
“In contrast, when a parent seems to take pleasure in a child’s hurt… That behavior is not ‘normal’ or inevitable — it’s a sign of dysfunction, not of parenthood itself.
“Key Point- Many parents never act this way. They genuinely want their children to thrive and would never intentionally shame or enjoy their child’s suffering.”
Next, I am thinking of that traumatic night when I ran into the night following her suicidal threats, locating her, running to her with open arms and greatest relief, calling her name.. and her reaction: anger at me, disapproval.
I remember the time I was twitching (tics) when she was venting to me endlessly, thinking: can’t she see my distress?
And on and on and on.. either lack of empathy by itself, or a desire to hurt my feelings and then enjoying it.
Her self-centeredness was unique, or extreme, a limited perspective: seeing situations through the lens of “me” rather than considering other people’ experiences, being absorbed in “me” so much so that there’s no one else but “me”, no one to deserve empathy other than “me”.. I need to not feel guilt, so I’ll blame my daughter (it serves “me”). I need a break from shame, so, I’ll shame her.. I need to feel powerful, so I’ll hit her and see her looking down at the floor, saying nothing (it serves “me”), etc.
And it’s the covert type of extreme self centeredness aka narcissism that’s confusing (presenting herself as humble, shy..) and in so being, more harmful perhaps than the overt type.
So, I didn’t see these things clearly. I was confused. Not because I was stupid but because.. any child would get terribly confused in the exact circumstances I found myself in.
She portrayed herself to others as humble, generous, good-hearted.. empathetic, but it was only a show, an act, one that fooled me. I see better now.
As to your recent post, Tee.. a bit later.
Anita
anitaParticipantI know that WhatsApp allows for free international calling.. no charge. Is it something that’s available for you and her?
anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
“Well, I had a call where I kind of exploded on a caller. It was really bad. A lot was said. I was unprofessional. It was not right what I did and I will have to face the consequences. I have a lot of shame around it and am working through that.”-
I didn’t pay attention to this part of your post when I replied to you last night wit red wine in my system. I am sorry that it happened, Nichole! Any news in regard to this???
“I reached out via email and text to Dad… I am not entirely sure how I feel about it. Processing…lol”- How are you feeling about it today?
Of what I did pay attention to last night, I find this part very meaningful: “I believed there was a destination. An end to healing and the pain. But you are right, the process is and will always be ongoing. Especially the more traumatic the upbringing was. And I am beginning to be okay with that too. I enjoy the self discovery and depth that comes with healing.”-
You said it perfectly and I can’t say it any better.
During the long, long time when I believed there was a destination (a happily-ever-after existence), I was greatly disappointed whenever I felt distressed yet again following some healing or better understanding, and figured that I have to restart from zero.
It is only after I understood that a happily-ever-after existence is a thing of fairytales and fantasy, that I stopped having the unrealistic expectation of no more distress. And what happened next was that when I felt distressed I tried to be aware why it happened and what I can learn from it.
Actually, every single day I repeat this mantra in these exact words: “Learn today: base today’s learning on top of yesterday’s, and tomorrow’s on top of today’s. The only kind of learning that can make a positive difference when it comes to mental health-is the continuous, progressive kind, the kind that continues and progresses from one day to the next, building on the previous day’s”.
Thank you for your kind words, Nichole. And I am grateful for you too 🙏
I hope to read from you soon as I am concerned about your job situation.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
Peter, Nov 9, 2016: “I no longer believe in love or change… Love does not conquer all, it does not conquer fear… Ten years ago I was optimistic that we could create positive change in the world and yet time and time again more often than not we just let life happen. If the way of the West has failed so has the way of the East. I’m a hamster on a wheel going nowhere because there is no ‘where’ to go. Love is just a joke.
Peter, Nov 27, 2025: “The danger is mechanical living and reacting without awareness, repeating without questioning… Awareness itself is transformative. It allows us to live with clarity instead of habit, presence instead of fear… Fear repeats the past; awareness opens the door to what has never been.. a ‘hope’ with eyes open.”-
Written so very well, Peter, and I fully agree ✅.
You shifted from despair (Love is a joke. Change doesn’t happen. We’re stuck) to possibility and cautious optimism (Fear repeats the past, but awareness can open the door to something new).
I noticed is that you used the word “love” 4 times in your original post 9 years ago, but not a single time in your latest post. You moved from saying “love is not the answer” to saying “awareness is the answer.”
You replaced love (not transformative) with awareness (transformative).
Less than a couple of hours after you submitted your original post, I submitted a post where I asked you: “what are you referring to by ‘love’? How do you define love (in context of this thread)?”- but best I figure, you didn’t answer this question.
You are welcome to answer it now if you wish..🙂
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
What a beautiful post, a masterpiece! I want to reread it and reply in a couple- three hours 🙏 ❤️
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
So much of the stupidity that I observe around me these very days irl is about people preferring to NOT see the glaring, evident truth.
The make-believe, wishful thinking.. Irresponsible Optimism, in real-life, these very days (which I haven’t shared about).
So.. funny.. My mother, my perceived goddess.. huh..
Just a.. what’s the word- not someone for me to look up to, not someone deserving any admiration of any kind, because even her being hard-working, even that she.. misused to cause harm.
It’s just that she.. was no one to look up to.
I feel sorry for her for not being someone for me to look up to.
Just not someone I value.
The little girl that she was before I was born- yes, worthwhile.
But not the woman/ person I was born to- through.
Not someone deserving my esteem, or my respect.
Not a good person.
Dark eyes, mild sadistic smile, words like bullets hitting through the heart.. BOOM
That’s the thing I was born through, cruel, vengeful..
May I STOP seeing her as anything other than what she was, to me, to others: MEAN. Sadistic.
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