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anitaParticipantDo you trust your idea of love being Amazing Always?
April 1, 2026 at 5:26 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456543
anitaParticipantHey Peter:
On purpise, ha-ha.
I didn’t get a chance to bring Copilot back to the conversation, so I have to use my own inferior intelligence.
Copilot did introduce a new (to me) term: existential shame, which means shame for existing, a supposed step up in shame severity from “toxic shame”. “Healthy shame” is the non- pathological shame.
You mentioned shame in regard to the experience of religion that you grew up with, religious- shame, I suppose.
As I’ve been typing this, I am hearing The News Hour about a book called “Shame has to change sides”- hmm…
🍃 Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused who is not at all a bad person:
I had to open with the above because it’s true!
As I read your recent post, a connection`was made in my mind: your mother didn’t trust you to love her (to hug her because you loved her). Fast forward, you don’t trust.. you to love this young woman (I’ll refer to her as Y, so to keep it simple)
And you don’t trust her to love you.
A mistrust in love carried from one generation to the next..?
But thing is, you do love Y, it’s clear to me. This love is like buried underground right now, so it’s still there and it comes up occasionally like laughing with her for hours and that cute-aggression which you described feeling not long ago.
Do you remember what you felt when your mother met your love with suspicion and accusation?
🤔 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Calm Moon:
Something in what you wrote today stayed with me — the part about allowing yourself to be human.
For those of us who grew up being the ‘strong one,’ the caretaker, the emotional anchor- giving ourselves permission to be human is not small. It’s revolutionary.I can feel the inner shift you described, a gentleness toward yourself that’s beautiful to witness.
And you’re right — parentification rewires the brain. Undoing that wiring takes time, patience, and compassion for yourself. But you’re doing it. Every time you choose rest over rescuing, humility over perfection, presence over control — you’re rewriting the story.
I’d love to hear more about what ‘looking better and feeling better’ means to you these days — in your own words, at your own pace.
🤍🌿 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Calm Moon 🌙
What a lovely message, thank you for your thoughtfulness, appreciation and grace 🙏
I’ve been a bit more anxious these days than previously because of the ongoing war in the middle east. I have family in Israel, a country that gets bombarded regularly by Iran, Lebanon and Yaman (the Iranian proxies is in the latter two).
I am glad to read that your interactions with family and others have become more mature and healthier recently 👏
You sound quite mature to me!
Can you tell me more about how your faith helps you to release trying to control what you can’t (and release the parentified, “savior” role?)
🤍 Anita
April 1, 2026 at 10:43 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456531
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for standing up for me, saying she should not get a pat on the back (for not making fun of me in regard to the tics). It made me feel special that you did 🙏
It’s a good thing that I’m able to show gratitude for that part, as well as for her gifts and whatever affection she threw my way. It means that now, I am less threatened by (the idea of) her.
Don’t get me wrong though, she was horrible, real bad news in my life. I’m just glad that I can tolerate a bit of nuance in regard to her.
My goodness, what a special way of saying it: it’s easy for people not to see their own goodness when they’re sufferring.
I wish you didn’t suffer, Alessa!
You are a good, loving and caring person and mother.
I am fortunate to have you in my life 🙏🤍🙏
🍃 🤍 Anita
April 1, 2026 at 10:27 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456530
anitaParticipantContinued:
Campbell spelling out my age, ouch. I don’t like it reflected back to me 😕. Shame- the dragon, awareness- the sword. A violent metaphor delivered with a warm, knowing smile.
Krishnamurti.. “a pedestal of ‘ideas’- of what a daughter or a ‘normal’ person should be”-
What an original way of saying it, pedestal-of ideas, worshipping ideas, never one with them. Never a good daughter. Never a good person.
Shame has nowhere to stand when the pedestal (the should- but isn’t so) is removed.
(I feel positively important to be talked about among this group of people. Thank you for gathering the 3, just 4 me 🙂)
Jung: shoulds= conditioning.
Krish: learning= aware & awake, the silent observation, which reminds me. Peter. I made it a daily practice since we talked last, to Notice instead of try to Solve- Remove physical tension. And every time I just Notice, the tension eases in that moment 🙏`
Next, Campbell again mentions my age, for crying out loud!
Not to fix the past, but to see it clearly. There’s a lot here. I want to develop this further later (not so to fix the past..)
“You are no longer the ‘mistake’, you are the witness”- this is deep.
Oh, Alan Watts, thank you for stopping by! Your light heartedness is much appreciated!
Of course, I am looking forward to using my 🖥 and asking Copilot for his input.
What a refreshing, unique exercise, Peter 🙏
🍃 🤍 Anita
April 1, 2026 at 9:19 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456529
anitaParticipantGood morning, Peter:
It’s interesting that you said you’re not sure you have anything new to say about the idea of Purpose because your very first post on tiny buddha, May 27, 2016, almost a decade ago, was about purpose.
It was in response to a thread titled: “What is my purpose?” or, “Do I need a purpose?” (I am using my 📱 so I can’t check).
There you expressed frustration with the purpose-driven mentality (I am paraphrasing from memory) where purpose is thought of as something objective (outside ourselves), measurable, and grand, positively exciting all the time,
While you (and Cambell whom you quoted there) think of it as something that’s subjective (inside ourselves), quiet and immeasurable.
Back to your yesterday’s post, you mention again the “grand meaning” of the objective, measurable type of purpose vs the quiet, subjective meaning of “wakingup to who we actually are, beyond the labels and the terror” (beautifully said!)
Yes, this very much resonates. It makes me smile in a combo of youth nostalgia and pity for my younger self, to remember my dreams of grand purpose: to be rich and famous, and in so being, deserving of being valued.
Fast forward, being valued by my own self ( a new and beginning experience for me), really is subjective, an internal experience that’s not at all measurable by objective achievements. It’s like a shortcut to valuing myself, a shortcut that took half a century to stumble into.
I can almost see Jung leaning forward with piercing 👀- thank you, Jung. “To allow the Self to finally speak”- yes, this is why I post SO MUCH on tb. I was silent for too long that to speak in a public forum is intoxicating, the idea (and sometimes fact) that I am actually heard.
Yes, the freakishness loses its sharp edges when it’s integrated into the human, meaning, there’s no freak out there (the dissociated, separated me), threatening.
This is fascinating, Peter, thank you for gathering these famous people together to discuss.. me 🙂
I’ll continue later.
🍃 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
I reread what you shared in your 2 posts before I left to the taproom yesterday, and I figure, again, that what you’re going through makes complete sense — not because something is wrong with you, but because of what you lived through growing up.
You said something very important: “I’ve never spoken to any of my parents about my feelings, they haven’t either.”- that means that as a child, you learned that emotions weren’t safe. You learned that closeness wasn’t safe. You learned that opening up wasn’t safe.
So now, when you’re in a relationship that is actually healthy and emotionally close, your system doesn’t know what to do. It’s like you’re walking into a room you were never allowed to enter as a kid.
Your mind might understand what’s happening, but your body reacts in a much older way — the way it learned when you were little.
That’s why everything feels so sudden and intense, why you feel numb, blocked, or like you can’t feel love, and why your thoughts are spinning in every direction.
This isn’t you rejecting her, or you refusing to accept the truth, or you using her.
This isn’t you being broken. This is your nervous system going into shutdown because closeness feels unfamiliar and overwhelming.And the fact that it happened with her — someone you actually cared about — makes perfect sense. We shut down the most with the people who matter the most, because the stakes feel higher.
Nothing about what you’re experiencing is strange or shameful. Nothing about it means you’re incapable of love.
It means you’re reacting exactly the way someone would react if they grew up without emotional safety.
Your system is trying to protect you in the only way it learned how. And that can feel awful — but it’s understandable.
In your new post today, you asked: “Hmm, I think I need alone time and a break? I am not sure..”-
Confused, it makes total sense that you’re thinking about needing alone time or a break. When your system is overwhelmed or shut down, everything inside you is saying: ‘I need space to breathe.’
That’s not a sign that something is wrong with you or wrong with the relationship — it’s a sign that your nervous system is overloaded.
When someone grows up in a home where feelings weren’t talked about and emotional closeness wasn’t safe, being in a relationship that is close can feel like too much, even if you care about the person.
Your body reacts before your mind can make sense of it.So, the feeling of needing space is understandable. It’s your system trying to calm itself, not you rejecting her or running away from the truth.
You don’t have to make any big decisions right now. You’re in a state where everything feels confusing and heavy, and that’s not the moment to decide anything.
For now, it’s okay to slow down, breathe, and give yourself a little room without turning it into a verdict about the relationship or about you.
You’re not stuck this way forever. This is a state, not your identity 🙂
🤍🌿Anita
anitaParticipantHey, dear Confused:
Thing is, you’re trying to figure things out logically, when logic is not something that connects with you, does it?
What you need is calm, not logic.
Calm, like giving yourself a break, a space to just breathe.
I’ve been trying to promote logic this whole time, but what you need.. you tell me, Confused. What is it that you need emotionally, now?..
🤍 Anita
March 31, 2026 at 4:22 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456502
anitaParticipantI am thrilled to get your replies, Peter and Alessa🙏🙏 I’ll reply by tomorrow.
anitaParticipantB Back 2 u in a few hours (going to the taproom)
🍷 Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
Double posting 🙂 I can’t tell you whether you should restart it — that’s something only a doctor or prescriber can guide you on. It could be helpful to reach out to the person who prescribed it and let him know what’s going on.
* When someone stops a medication that affects mood or the nervous system (like escitalopram), the body often needs time to rebalance itself. That period of rebalancing is called adjustment, and it can feel like being disconnected, numb, foggy, etc. Maybe this is part of what you’re going through now.
Ten days is still very much within the time when your body can be adjusting.
🌿 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Had more time than anticipated 🙂
Confused, I hear you. The dog example is something we can understand with the thinking mind — it’s a conscious explanation.
But what you’re feeling right now isn’t happening in the thinking mind at all. It’s happening in the body.
When you say it ‘feels like something else,’ that’s actually very accurate.
FA patterns — especially the numbness, the emptiness, the lack of love or sadness — come from a deeper, older place than logic. They’re not intellectual. They’re nervous‑system reactions that were formed long before you had words for anything.
So even if the explanation makes sense, the felt experience can still feel foreign, heavy, or unreachable.
That doesn’t mean you’re doing anything wrong. It means you’re in a shutdown state, not a thinking state.Shutdown is not a choice and it’s not a sign that you don’t care. It’s the body protecting itself when it feels overwhelmed.
And when you’re in that state, it’s almost impossible to ‘apply tools.’ Not because you don’t want to — but because your system is offline.
For now, the most important thing is to be gentle with yourself. You’re not supposed to feel love or clarity or motivation when you’re in shutdown. Your only job in moments like this is to take things slowly and let your system settle.
You’re not alone in this, and nothing you described is strange or wrong. It’s a state — not who you are.
🌿 🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantI was wondering about you stopping the meds, Confused. Maybe it would have been better to increase the dosage for better effect than to quit it altogether. I’m in a bit of a rush now, I’ll write later, probably in a few- 5 hours from now. I hope that you feel better soon.
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