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anitaParticipantHmm.. yes, I think the two of you are afraid, scared of.. well, you tell me. You know better than I do.
But outside if the fear, I see something special on your part and on hers, no less.
It’s almost 9 pm here, b Back in (my) morning π (your.. evening)
πππ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
Good to read back from you this Wed night π (here).
I mean your feelings were real, and so were hers. And the connection between the two of you was real, and to me- it’s inspiring, something special there.
BUT or AND- unless the two of you are okay with keeping it LD forevermore- in-person reality is going to present challenges.
No, I didn’t mean you should have met her sooner. What I mean is that- REALLY living with her as man and wife, or man and partner- in an apartment, just you and her, day after day, night after night, month after month-
That’s a different ball game than LD + 3 days in- person that you actually spent with her.
And what I figure is that maybe the two of you are afraid π¨ of making it real, as in living together
π€ π± π π π‘ Anita
anitaParticipantOh, and about “bound to end”: the May- Nov “high” was bound to end because that high wasn’t yet tested by reality: you didn’t yet meet her in-person for the first time, no real movement toward living with her irl.
So, it was a high, like throwing a stone up in the air, it’s bound to come down (gravity)
anitaParticipantHow to soften the extremes..?
Well, do you see extremes in your thinking, like expecting to feel in- love every minute forever more, is that extreme thinking in your mind?
anitaParticipantAnd about black-and-white, all-or-nothing thinking, aka binary thinking- that was MY thinking for ages, so I am no stranger to it.
anitaParticipantRight, I remember now, the poem she sent you, and then the convo of moving.
Well, this means that the May-Nov relatively good time was bound to end.
The doubts you already had May-Nov (and being that your “brain does that a lot with everyone,”), were.. destined to multiply and intensify sooner than later, triggered by the poem and thoughts of moving.
I am stating the obvious (right above), because sometimes you see the past in black and white: all good < Nov and then.. all bad (even though there’s laughter and affection with her).
I wish you could balance your thinking, so it’s not.. well, distorted by black and white/ all or nothing thinking.
Maybe when you think an extreme, remind yourself of something that softens that extreme..?
anitaParticipantSo, it was a relatively good time, May- Nov. Not perfect but pretty good, just some moments imagining breakup, and then a short time before you were to meet her for the first time ( and move closer toward moving to Cyprus so to live with her), that was when those moments of doubt became a lot?
anitaParticipantBefore Nov, you felt love for Y all the time, every day, month after month, not a single moment of doubt?
anitaParticipantDo you trust your idea of love being Amazing Always?
April 1, 2026 at 5:26 pm in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456543
anitaParticipantHey Peter:
On purpise, ha-ha.
I didn’t get a chance to bring Copilot back to the conversation, so I have to use my own inferior intelligence.
Copilot did introduce a new (to me) term: existential shame, which means shame for existing, a supposed step up in shame severity from “toxic shame”. “Healthy shame” is the non- pathological shame.
You mentioned shame in regard to the experience of religion that you grew up with, religious- shame, I suppose.
As I’ve been typing this, I am hearing The News Hour about a book called “Shame has to change sides”- hmm…
π Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused who is not at all a bad person:
I had to open with the above because it’s true!
As I read your recent post, a connection`was made in my mind: your mother didn’t trust you to love her (to hug her because you loved her). Fast forward, you don’t trust.. you to love this young woman (I’ll refer to her as Y, so to keep it simple)
And you don’t trust her to love you.
A mistrust in love carried from one generation to the next..?
But thing is, you do love Y, it’s clear to me. This love is like buried underground right now, so it’s still there and it comes up occasionally like laughing with her for hours and that cute-aggression which you described feeling not long ago.
Do you remember what you felt when your mother met your love with suspicion and accusation?
π€ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Calm Moon:
Something in what you wrote today stayed with me β the part about allowing yourself to be human.
For those of us who grew up being the βstrong one,β the caretaker, the emotional anchor- giving ourselves permission to be human is not small. Itβs revolutionary.I can feel the inner shift you described, a gentleness toward yourself that’s beautiful to witness.
And youβre right β parentification rewires the brain. Undoing that wiring takes time, patience, and compassion for yourself. But youβre doing it. Every time you choose rest over rescuing, humility over perfection, presence over control β youβre rewriting the story.
Iβd love to hear more about what βlooking better and feeling betterβ means to you these days β in your own words, at your own pace.
π€πΏ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Calm Moon π
What a lovely message, thank you for your thoughtfulness, appreciation and grace π
I’ve been a bit more anxious these days than previously because of the ongoing war in the middle east. I have family in Israel, a country that gets bombarded regularly by Iran, Lebanon and Yaman (the Iranian proxies is in the latter two).
I am glad to read that your interactions with family and others have become more mature and healthier recently π
You sound quite mature to me!
Can you tell me more about how your faith helps you to release trying to control what you can’t (and release the parentified, “savior” role?)
π€ Anita
April 1, 2026 at 10:43 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456531
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for standing up for me, saying she should not get a pat on the back (for not making fun of me in regard to the tics). It made me feel special that you did π
It’s a good thing that I’m able to show gratitude for that part, as well as for her gifts and whatever affection she threw my way. It means that now, I am less threatened by (the idea of) her.
Don’t get me wrong though, she was horrible, real bad news in my life. I’m just glad that I can tolerate a bit of nuance in regard to her.
My goodness, what a special way of saying it: it’s easy for people not to see their own goodness when they’re sufferring.
I wish you didn’t suffer, Alessa!
You are a good, loving and caring person and mother.
I am fortunate to have you in my life ππ€π
π π€ Anita
April 1, 2026 at 10:27 am in reply to: On Purpise and Shame- what is my purpose? What is yours? #456530
anitaParticipantContinued:
Campbell spelling out my age, ouch. I don’t like it reflected back to me π. Shame- the dragon, awareness- the sword. A violent metaphor delivered with a warm, knowing smile.
Krishnamurti.. “a pedestal of ‘ideas’- of what a daughter or a ‘normal’ person should be”-
What an original way of saying it, pedestal-of ideas, worshipping ideas, never one with them. Never a good daughter. Never a good person.
Shame has nowhere to stand when the pedestal (the should- but isn’t so) is removed.
(I feel positively important to be talked about among this group of people. Thank you for gathering the 3, just 4 me π)
Jung: shoulds= conditioning.
Krish: learning= aware & awake, the silent observation, which reminds me. Peter. I made it a daily practice since we talked last, to Notice instead of try to Solve- Remove physical tension. And every time I just Notice, the tension eases in that moment π`
Next, Campbell again mentions my age, for crying out loud!
Not to fix the past, but to see it clearly. There’s a lot here. I want to develop this further later (not so to fix the past..)
“You are no longer the ‘mistake’, you are the witness”- this is deep.
Oh, Alan Watts, thank you for stopping by! Your light heartedness is much appreciated!
Of course, I am looking forward to using my π₯ and asking Copilot for his input.
What a refreshing, unique exercise, Peter π
π π€ Anita
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