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March 6, 2026 at 10:58 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #455726
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Today is the day after the scheduled 4 days spent with her. I am very curious as to what transpired and hope it was clarity, at the least..?
๐ค๐โจ๏ธ Anita
anitaParticipant* not “less than 3 hours ago”, but exactly 2 houre before I submitted my last message, to the minute, which the magical part of my ๐ง says is a sign that what I wrote was accurate.
But thing is, often when I write X oy Y to you (and feeling confident about it), you say it’s not so (“But… I didn’t mean it that way, etc.)
๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantHey ๐ Confused:
I suppose you lost the happy kind of loving feelings, and are left with the sad kind of loving feelings (“it makes me sob and hurt” you wrote less than 3 hours ago).
Sounds like depression to me. Did any of the professionals you talked to mentioned depression as the main issue?
๐๐ข๐ Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
You asked yesterday: “If it was just me falling out of love, why would it affect all the areas of my life?”- you’re asking why you fell out of love with life, not just with her, right?
My question: which one happened first?
If falling out of love with life came first, that may be good old depression, that and nothing else.
๐คAnita
anitaParticipantHey, Dear Confused:
I understand considering stopping the sessions with her, not finding the help you need.
I don’t know the answers to your questions. I wish I knew, and I tried.
Maybe what matters now, is that you give yourself a break, not having to figure out the why-s, and simply place yourself on your own side, be there 4 u.
Release yourself from having-2-understatand. Let her go. Say your goodbye to her..?
โจ๏ธ๐ค๐ Anita
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
Hmm.. I suppose, yes, it can be very different for you. I tend to project my experience unto others, assuming others’ experiences are like mine just because we have things in common. Maybe your therapist is projecting her stuff unto you as well (it’s common to do that, something to be aware of and work on when communicating with people).
Maybe your shutdown was indeed “just emotional burnout”, like you said, and maybe just like it says in this 2015 thread, maybe you just “randomly and suddenly fell out of love”.
I mean, non- random, gradual falling out of love is not the only way.. to fall out of love ๐
Maybe you just fell out of love and got scared, as if falling out of love is a sin or a crime.. while it’s quite natural and quite common..?
๐ผAnita
anitaParticipantHi Peter ๐
Thank you for letting me know that you’ll ne away from the ๐ฅ for a while.
I would very much like to read more about the grass metaphor, what it looks like/ feels like for you ๐ค, and about the wonder of children still there โจ๏ธ, uncovered perhaps, or recovered, or something else.
โจ๏ธโจ๏ธโจ๏ธ Anita
anitaParticipantTalking about my childhood, my programming: I grew up with an explosive mother who showed affection in-between acts of aggression (beating me, shaming me, using words to hurt me)
Fast forward, if someone showed me consistent affection, I would have been, uncomfortable, like where’s the next aggression.. what’s wrong?
Because what we grow up becomes “normal”, and something very different- however positive- feels abnormal, like there’s something wrong.
Children normalize what they grow up with.
anitaParticipantHey Confused:
She asked: “When you got it (continuous, stable, reliable love), u didn’t know what to do with it?”-
It’s a question that makes sense to me, it feeling foreign. Being programmed for what you grew up (aggression followed by affection, rinse and repeat).
How did you answer her question?
๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantHey Dear Confused:
As a non professional, I agree with your 26-year-old therapist who told you that’s what you’re going through is (likely) related to your childhood experience with your mother/ parents.
You say though that “she insists” that it is so. Well, that insistence is a form of forcefulness. I mean, you need a safe space within therapy to explore things with no pressure.
There is a chance that things other than your childhood are involved.
You felt that your “feelings were locked ๐ away in a box ๐ฆ “, and she asked what you’re protecting your feelings from?
I don’t understand her question. I am confused ๐ . Do you understand her question? Did you answer it?
๐๐ค๐๐ฆ๐๐ง Anita
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
Strange how differently I ๐ you now. Not abstract or unfeeling, but someone who speaks a language I didn’t understand, a language worth understanding.
And you kept speaking the same language through times when you were challenged (for a period of time, quite aggressively, I thought)- not because you were inflexible, indifferent, or out of touch, or passive, or weak, but because you refused (gently, kindly) to tether your inner peace to a moving target.
Maintaining presence to oneself and to others is an active, deliberate practice that looks passive on the outside, you say.
It’s active, but not reactive, I say. I want to practice just that.
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. Yes, I did lose my footing many times. I think it will happen less often now, moving forward, because of our communication right here. Thank you ๐
Peace= The quiet capacity to stay awake to the world’s pain without letting it extinguish our own light โจ๏ธ (your words)
Beautifully said. Couldn’t have said it better, and yet, you chose to end your post with my words: peace moving from inside out.
To me, this feels like emotional generosity: Peter running ๐โโ๏ธ alongside me ๐โโ๏ธ in open, endless fields of green grass.
I am hearing The News Hour right now, war news, good thing writing you this message makes me feel good nonetheless ๐
โ๏ธ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
Iโm really glad to hear from you, and Iโm so sorry youโre carrying so much right now. Losing your cat, finding out your partner mocked you, feeling disrespected by her family, being told youโre โthe problemโ at work, and dealing with health issues on top of all thatโฆ anyone would feel shaken by so many hurts at once.
It sounds exhausting and painful, and none of this is small.
You mentioned not being able to move your hands at night โ did any doctor give you a sense of what might be causing that? Itโs important that youโre looked after medically, especially when symptoms affect your ability to move.
And if you were to take a leave from work, even briefly, how do you imagine that might feel for you?
Iโm here, and Iโm really glad you reached out.
๐ฟ๐ค Anita
anitaParticipant* I wrote: “So, the ‘solution’… is promoting peace from within outward”- โSolutionโ implies a problem to fix, a plan, a strategy, an outcome and control, while you’re speaking from a place of acceptance, presence, inner steadiness, humility, and nonโcontrol.
The word (solution) chose me, didn’t it?
What word do you think, Peter, would fit in the place of “solution”: path/ posture/ practice, orientation.. ?
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
I didn’t reread or run things through Copilot since I posted to you last.
My whole life, I waited for my mother to be happy before I’d allow myself to be happy (or at peace).
I waited for peace between countries, the removal of violence, before I allow myself to be at peace-within.
Waiting for the External to dictate the Internal.
Forever waiting, fretting.
Fast forward to my understanding of your input, your way, the wisdom traditions you’re talking about:
That waiting is futile. I can choose peace within now. To be grounded, non reactive, and in so being, I can be grounding for others and promoting peace between others through daily communication here in tb and irl.
So, the “solution” so to speak, or “the way” is promoting peace from within outward rather than passively waiting for external peace to reach me, or identifying with one rigid position and fighting against the other.
It’s a good feeling to take what I waited for others/ circumstances to give me.
Peace on earth is peace within moving outward.
My focus then is to be grounded, to not argue or fight or promote conflict to any extent. In your communication with others you did just that, consistently.
Anita
anitaParticipantGood morning, Confused:
These kinds of things, early childhood experiences such as a pattern of aggression by a mother, interrupted by times of affection, then back to aggression and suspicion (her thinking you’re manipulative when you were affectionate), these things cannot be solved by logic alone.
It takes real, competent professional help. There are many therapists out there who invested years and years in education and practice because so many, many people need this kind of help.
I just wish you came across a competent, experienced therapist.
๐๐คโ๏ธ๐๐ค Anita
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