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  • in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453959
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    Glad to have internet this morning 🙂

    Thank you for your kind words from yesterday.

    You asked: “How did u experience the dissociation after, in therapy?”-

    You mean during therapy sessions? I don’t remember. I had therapy in 20111-13, long time ago. I clearly remember how dissociation felt through the years. I felt “spaced out”, like not present in the here-and-now. People told me: “Your head is in the clouds”.

    I can give you the most extreme example of me being dissociated. I was walking in a city (don’t remember the city) and was “awakened” by a truck almost running me over. I was so spaced out, so zoned out, that I didn’t notice that I was crossing a street, let alone that there was traffic on the street.

    Otherwise, there’s been that anxiety inside, an ongoing tension, lack of calm. I used to daydream a lot listening to music, and during the daydreaming I was either calm or hopeful, or happy, joyful, excited, “in love”, but in real-life, there was a blanket of anxiety, tension, anger and the good feelings (happy, excited, etc.) were covered, in darkness. So, there was very little “living”.

    You wrote in your most recent message: “Yes we do, I’m guilty of that in my life.”- are you referring to giving people too much power over you, too much emotional power perhaps?

    🤍Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453940
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    Double posting, I submitted the above before reading your post of a moment earlier.

    I got a message that internet will be disabled tomorrow for about 7 hours (from 11 to 18 hours from now, though Maybe I can have access through a certain phone function.. not sure).

    Anyway, will reply in 11 to 18 hours from now.

    Take good care of precious, soon to be Clear (way less confused Confused).

    Anita 🙂

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453937
    anita
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    Oh, O didn’t finish my thought there: when you grow up in an unsafe (no) home, day in and day out, month after month, year after year,

    There’s an unsafe corr, or “home” (not) within the soul, within deep inside.

    And when that takes place, we give others way, way, way more power than they deserve to have in our lives.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453935
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    I have no doubt that it’ll take you way less time than it took me to replace my Confusion with Clarity.

    When you grow up in an unsafe “home” (I place quotation marks around 🏡 home because the word HOME is synonymous with SAFE).

    Anyway, our childhoods aka our Formative Years are.. where our minds are formed, our beliefs, our struggles, our trauma.

    I was dissociated from the child part of me and therefore floated through decades-long stagnation.

    It took sort of going back in time and rescuing the scared, desperate, neglected, overlooked Anita the girl, so to be.. self-contained, no longer so very.. dependent, emotionally, on other people.

    No longer and never again giving other people so much power over me. No longer having a shaky, poor self-esteem depend so heavily on what other people think of me, or say/ express to me.

    🤍✨️👋 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453933
    anita
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    Hello 👋 Confused:

    I don’t see Fantasy in how you describe her. So, now I am leaning more on the problem being your disorganized attachment and LDR challenges.

    I sure hope for Clarity to replace Confusion.

    I think that what seems to me- your disinterest in exploring the origins of your disorganized attachment (your childhood experience)- to be a problem.

    It’s okay though, whenever you are able and willing to explore the origins, that’d be fine.

    I know that if I didn’t explore my troubled childhood experience, no way would I have the peace of mind I am experiencing now.

    ✨️🤍✌️ Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453931
    anita
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    Hey dear Confused:

    “I was thinking maybe it was limerence and it crashed me so hard?”- I think so, now that you bring it up, yes.

    Limerence is an intense, obsessive infatuation marked by intrusive thoughts about the person, emotional highs and lows based on their responses, idealization, craving reciprocation, anxiety when uncertain, and difficulty focusing on anything else. It fits what you’ve been going through!

    “The dopamine crash would explain my depression as well.”- I am reading that limerence is basically the brain in a dopamine‑fueled, uncertainty‑driven loop.

    Dopamine creates the feeling of craving, desire, anticipation, excitement about a possible reward, etc. It creates an “I want it feeling”, not “I’m satisfied feeling”. Limerence together with disorganized attachment can create a powerful emotional storm, which is what you’ve been experiencing.

    “I wanna try and love her for real without limerence though. How can I do that? haha”- I am reading that breaking the limerence loop is about interrupting the dopamine‑uncertainty cycle that keeps the brain hooked. Uncertainty is the gasoline that fuels limerence and Clarity is the fire extinguisher, it kills limerence faster than anything else.

    Fantasy creates confusion because it’s built from hopes, guesses, and “maybe.” Reality creates clarity because it’s built from what actually happens.

    Here’s a writing exercise that may help replace fantasy with reality:

    Take a piece of paper and write two short lists. On the left, write “Fantasy” and describe what you’ve been imagining she is like — the things you hope she feels, the perfect moments you picture, and the story your mind keeps creating.

    On the right, write “Reality” and describe only what she has actually done — her real actions, real words, and real level of effort. When you finish, read both sides slowly. This helps your brain see the difference between what is imagined and what is true, so you can step out of the fantasy and back into reality.

    You can do this exercise right here, on this thread, typing vs writing. I’d be interested to see it.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: Marrying an Indian man as a foreigner #453923
    anita
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    * What an amazing, thorough, fascinating analysis, Zinnia!

    I don’t remember coming across the term Cultural Narcissism. What would be your definition of it?

    And what’s the difference between a person who is a Narcissist and a person who is only culturally narcissistic?

    I love you ending your post in French. French was my first language, but I didn’t speak it since early childhood.

    Merci pour cette analyse incroyable.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #453922
    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    Bogart 🐾 is doing so much better, thank you 😊 No, he doesn’t accompany me on my long walks and I think, at this point, that it’s a good thing because there are a couple of dogs, one big and aggressive that are sometimes in the yard along the walk, unleashed, and when they are, they run into the road and that would scare Bogart. It already did (he heard them from a distance and turned back, never to go that route again.

    What’s happening now is that he takes me on walks around here. I let him choose the direction and pace so to give him a sense of autonomy, which I believe helped his anxiety. Last afternoon, took him to the taproom- no vomiting- and he had a good time there, wasn’t anxious much even with a big dog that showed up.

    I am feeling better as far as the cold goes, but my bladder is a bit sensitive again, so I took more of those pills.

    “That was a powerful exercise, Anita, and you’ve uncovered an older (perhaps a teenager?) version of yourself. GA felt the need to take care of her mother, since her mother sounded so helpless and fragile… Yes, her mother wouldn’t let her.. and I think it’s because her mother wasn’t actually helpless and fragile – she only used her victim persona to guilt-trip and weaken GA. In other words, it was all an act. 😕”-

    Yes, I didn’t quite realize this even though I’ve mentioned before the Histrionic part of her personality disorder combo. Of course, yes, she exaggerated her despair in dramatic ways, like showing me where on her wrist she’d cut so to kill herself. Yes, of course, that was an act meant to impress me, scare me.

    What do you think was her motivations behind the act, Tee?

    “I’d like to ask how did this exercise make you feel, Anita? Because the goal is to feel better afterwards (e.g. feeling more empowered, or feeling more love for yourself, or having more clarity, etc.) than before. If you feel more overwhelmed and scared (I feel scared. I feel overwhelmed.), that’s not really the goal..”-

    Thank you for your concern, Tee 🙏 but the exercise made me feel definitely good, calm, connected within- not immediately but a short while after I concluded it. GA (yes, teenager Anita 😊) or LGA feeling the fear (while being comforted by AA and given space when she needs time away from an exercise) is part of my healing. I know it is because of how I feel as a result.

    The more connected I am to my feelings (undoing the disconnection-within, the dissociation) the healthier I get. So, my intent is to continue the last exercises in the same format and uncover more if possible. When LGA gets scared, I’ll stop, give her space.

    LGA/ GA feels better as a result.

    “If you feel this format isn’t working for you optimally, I might have some ideas of how to adjust it, but I’d like to hear your feedback first..”- Thank you 🙏 for the offer. Since the format is working for me, I figure I’ll continue as is, for now.

    🤍 🫶 🙏 🫶 🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453920
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    The two (disorganized attachment & the dorsal vagal nerve shutdown) are related, they’re not mutually exclusive:

    Disorganized attachment develops when a child’s caregiver is both a source of comfort and a source of fear.
    This creates a deep internal conflict: “I need you.” and “I’m scared of you.” That push‑pull dynamic can overwhelm the nervous system.

    Disorganized attachment = fear of connection.

    Dorsal vagal shutdown = the body’s freeze response to overwhelm.

    The two terms are different, but they often show up together because early relational trauma shapes how the nervous system reacts to closeness.

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453918
    anita
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    Hey Confused:

    I apologize, Confused. I got Confused 😕: you started talking to her a year ago, not ten years ago. I confused the 10 years ago when you served in her country with having been in a LDR for 10 years.

    A few days ago, I confused you with another member, thinking you’re 25 (I am beginning to worry about my memory declining).

    You brought up fear of commitment. The term refers to a person feeling anxious, trapped, or overwhelmed when a relationship becomes more serious or emotionally intimate. Common signs include pulling away when things get close, worrying about losing independence, feeling pressured by labels or future plans, and idealizing the beginning of relationships but struggling with stability.

    There are commonalities between fear of commitment and the fear involved in insecure, disorganized attachment, and I think that your fear comes from the latter. Earl y experiences where the caregiver was both a source of comfort and fear (e.g., unpredictable, frightening, neglectful, or unsafe) leads to people (in general) * wanting closeness intensely, and feeling terrified of that same closeness, * sudden emotional shutdowns, * confusion about their own feelings, * approaching and withdrawing in cycles, and * feeling unsafe even in loving relationships.

    It’s not just fear of commitment — it’s fear of connection itself, because connection was historically dangerous.

    Fear of Commitment is usually about long-term responsibility and expectations, often linked to the need to be independent, or to past romantic breakups (it’s like feeling ‘I am not ready’), while Fear of Closeness (Disorganized Attachment) is about emotional intimacy feeling unsafe, linked to early relational trauma. (It’s like ‘I panic when someone gets close’).

    The simplest way to put it:

    Fear of commitment = fear of the future of the relationship.
    Fear of closeness (disorganized attachment) = fear of the experience of intimacy itself.

    One is about responsibility. The other is about safety.

    In my Jan 4 post, I copied AI’s input in regard to what you shared about your childhood. Here’s part of its input: “Children learn what ‘love’ looks like from their caregivers. When love is mixed with chaos, fear, or inconsistency, it often leads to insecure attachment… when closeness feels unsafe… pulling away when someone gets emotionally close, feeling smothered by intimacy… Wanting closeness but fearing it”

    And in regard to your experience with her, this was part of AI’s input: “The moment she became emotionally available, his system panicked- He said: ‘I was the chaser until things got steady.’… When love is uncertain, they chase. When love becomes real, their system panics. Why? Because real intimacy = real risk.
    Her poem, her confession, and the conversation about the future likely overwhelmed him.”

    What do you think, Confused?

    🤍 Anita

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453902
    anita
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    You served in her country (military) 10 years ago, but did not meet her during your service. Two years later you started a LDR with her while she was studying in another country, all online, never having met her until most recen⁷tly you met her for the first time ever (for three days)?

    In those 8 years, you never dated anyone, and neither did she? So from the age of 23 to 31 you did LD with her, no real life dating with anyone?

    in reply to: I just randomly and suddenly fell out of love #453900
    anita
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    Serving in the military?

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #453897
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    Continued:

    AA: Tell me, tell me more (I hear you wanting to tell me more)

    LGA (or GA): too long of a life to live in silence.. not really silence. Not being heard. Not being heard.

    AA: What did you say that wasn’t heard?

    LGA/ GA: I said: “I love you, Ima”. I said it loudly many times. I said: “I will do anything, everything for you, Ima!” (feeling emotional).

    I said: “Listen to me, Ima, I am on your side, I’ll climb the tallest mountain for you! I love you!!!”

    AA: And she didn’t hear you..?

    GA: .. I think, I.. she heard me.

    AA: But…

    GA: She didn’t want to give me the power in the thought that I could help her, that I could have climbed that mountain for her.

    She needed me weak.

    AA: Because?

    GA: to feel power. Giving me a sense of autonomy or agency (adult words, I know) meant to her a loss of power over me.

    I was like a toy for her, a wished-for toy- to dress, to feed, to wash with no resistance, no autonomy, no agency. A toy. A thing-toy.

    AA: What would you say was the worst thing she did to you (I hear you wanting to tell me)?

    GA: Make me a Thing. She made me a thing.

    AA: I hear you feeling overwhelmed. Do you need a break?

    GA: Yes, I feel scared. I feel overwhelmed.

    AA: Later. I love you, GA.

    AA and GA

    in reply to: A Personal Reckoning #453896
    anita
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    Continued:

    AA: Tell me more about the fear GA (Girl Anita) * I noticed yesterday in the post right above, that I was talking with an older LGA.

    GA: I had to be a big girl because I had to take care of mother. Someone had to.

    Only she wouldn’t let me.

    Someone had to!

    AA: I am here with you, GA. You don’t have to be the adult with me. I am your adult. Be my girl.

    She didn’t let you.. how?

    GA: She said I was a nobody, a nothing.

    AA: And that hurt a lot, didn’t it?

    GA: Terribly. It hurt a whole lot, lots and lots and lots.

    AA: I hear you, GA, my something, my Everything. You are.

    LGA: So, I don’t have to be a Nothing, a Nobody anymore?

    AA: No, no.. LGA. No more of that. You are a Someone, you are My Someone.

    LGA: You love me?

    AA: Yes, I love you. I love you.

    LGA: For sure?

    AA: For sure.

    LGA (a sigh of relief).

    AA: The fear.. how’s the fear in you, LGA?

    GA: That of being ALONE, nothing to lean against, nothing solid to stand on. Instead, crawling, crawling through life, standing, falling and back to crawling in no particular direction. A lifetime of that.

    AA: Here I am. Give me your hand. Walk with me. Erect, looking straight ahead- no longer looking down, no longer scared to be put down by anyone, no more, never again.

    LGA, GA and AA

    in reply to: Marrying an Indian man as a foreigner #453895
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Ana:

    I don’t know how to find previous threads on the topic other than going page by page of Lists of Topics, looking for those. Maybe there’s an easier way to locate such? (I am low-tech, I wouldn’t know).

    I am posting again because after I submitted the above, I remembered a long conversation I had with an Indian wife (or European, I don’t remember), or maybe it was a few discussions with a few women, long time ago, here in the forums.

    I remember my analysis at the time, put simply: Indian women (not all, I suppose, but the ones I had conversations about)-as young women, and then in context of their MILs- they took on the culturally approved submissive role (submissive to their parents, their husbands, their MILs).

    And then, they got their chance to flip the role, to finally be on top and that context was.. with their daughters in law. That’s when and where the MIL from Hell appears 😤🔥😩💥🙄💫😬🧨💣🧨⚡🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️💨

    Again, that’s my analysis at the time based on a few stories and long communications with the DIL, here in the forums.

    🤍 Anita

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