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anitaParticipantDear James:
I hear your conviction about Truth and the path being difficult. I see that for you, straightforwardness is part of how you express it.
For me, i have learned and keep learning, kindness feels most real when it uplifts without judgment.We may walk different paths, but both are seeking the same light. May your “Peace” be as full as your Truth.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantHello Everyone:
James, Dec 2: “Dear Thomas, I am sorry, but you should stop lying to yourself. Best Regards”- This is the first moment where the tone shifts from a philosophical debate to something more personal. Calling someone a liar, even indirectly, can come across as rude or dismissive, because it questions the other person’s honesty rather than just their ideas.
Thomas, Dec 2: “Dear James, Sadly, I am sorry that you believe your own lies. Best regards”- so both of you at this point questioned each other’s honesty, but cloaked it in “Dear” and “Best regards”.
Fast forward 3 days, James, today: “Dear Thomas, As I told forget about me and what I do. Evaluate your life that are you happy or not.
There is path showing you, if you like walk or just talk. Peace.”- essentially saying stop focusing on me, look at yourself instead.And Thomas replied: “Yes, I will do as you say. Take your advice. I will forget about you and what you do.”- mirroring James’s words but not bothering at this point with “Dear” and “Peace”.
Both of you, James and Thomas, talk about reducing ego, but your exchange shows how tricky that actually is in practice. I can see that both of you are genuinely trying to share your truth, but ego crept in..
James’s ego- at times, you slipped into judgment—telling Thomas he is “lying to himself” or “suffering.” That shows your ego is still involved, because you’re positioning yourself as the one who sees truth more clearly. Your words sometimes carried defensiveness, as if you needed to correct Thomas, even while signing off with “Peace.”
Thomas’s ego- you speak about enlightenment, emptiness, and dropping the mind, but in reality, you challenged James directly, sometimes dismissing his views (“you believe your own lies,” “show me your spirit”). That’s ego asserting itself—wanting to win the debate or prove superiority. Your ego shows up in confrontation and in the need to test or invalidate James’s perspective.
Overall- Both are aware of the ego and talk about minimizing it, yet both let ego slip into your words—through judgment, defensiveness, or dismissiveness.
In a way, your exchange is a perfect example of how ego hides inside even spiritual discussions: the moment we feel the need to prove, correct, or win, ego is at play.
If you truly want “as little ego as possible,” the path would be to share your views without labeling or judging the other—letting differences stand, and ending with genuine peace rather than peace mixed with dismissal.
James, you started the thread quoting Paramhansa Yogananda. Here are some quotes that could help you and Thomas to embody peace, instead of slipping into personal judgments:
“Kindness is the light that dissolves all walls between souls, families, and nations.”
“Change yourself and you have done your part in changing the world.”
“Let my soul smile through my heart and my heart smile through my eyes, that I may scatter rich smiles in sad hearts.”.
“Do your best and then relax. Let things go on in a natural way, rather than force them.”
The quote from Paramhansa Yogananda that stands out the most for me today is this one: “Freedom means the power to act by soul guidance, not by the compulsions of desires and habits. Obeying the soul brings freedom; obeying the ego brings bondage.”-
* Soul is a person’s eternal, timeless, indestructible identity, distinct from the ego, thoughts, and physical body. It is a fragment of God, or as Peter prefers, a fragment of The Source.
Peter: “When I think of ‘God’ as a verb, the word Flow comes to mind. We can resist what is, or we can lean into it with a kind of healthy detachment”.
James: “İf you are good (less ego) God shines trough you”.
This thread has helped me see more clearly what ego looks like in practice. My own resolution—perhaps a New Year’s resolution—is to minimize ego in every way possible. Thank you, James and Thomas, for making that lesson vivid.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Kyle:
I can hear how deeply you’re feeling, and how much love you have for your grandmother.
Anticipatory grief and guilt is such a heavy mix of emotions.
“I allow what truly matters to guide me through this phase of life”- I would like o read more from you about what Truly Matters..?
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantDear Q: I’m glad that you’re starting to genuinely feel a lot better. You are a good, kind person who deserves to feel good and not to suffer. Please post again anytime, I enjoy 😊 our conversations.
🤍 Anita
anitaParticipantI posted the above before reading your latest post… So, what is it that you want, best you know? (going to bed now, 9:49 pm)
anitaParticipantTee, I just heard the nicest thing said about me.. someone just said to me, a few minutes ago, (and not for the first time): “Anita is someone who takes care of everyone”-
This is really who I’ve been throughout these 4 years.. in so many ways, day in and day out. I helped so many people in the context of the winery. Truly, it’s been volunteering all along, not a business venture, not in real-life practice. it’s been volunteering all along.
I LOVE this feedback that I just received.. and which I received over the years. I like this presentation of myself.
And I would want to continue to “take care of everyone”.
For me, the winery was never a financial investment.. I know nothing about money and investment, I just found myself in the situation (not having been part of the decision making) and I just connected heart-to-heart.
This message tonight sounds so much better than the mother’s messages, that I was selfish- a LIE all along.
In all the financially significant loss, people’s selfishness and greed.. I have been.. “Someone who takes care of Everyone”-
And I am not the only one who takes care of everyone- you do too, Tee!!!
That’s what you’ve been doing for years.. Taking care of Everyone..
Anita
anitaParticipantI’m here, Me, old thread or new thread 😊
anitaParticipantThe new Co-worker.. a new thread in the making?
If you could get what you want in a woman, what would it be? A short term thrill, a distraction from the same-old, same-old, day-in, day-out living, or something totally new..?
anitaParticipantDear Q: you posted only.. a minute before I started this reply.
“So I think you can say that I haven’t been fair and kind to myself.”- so, it’s time to be fair and kind to yourself, is it. Q?
anitaParticipantI just wish you no longer have to guess about her feelings and what she wants, me.. I just wish you knew what it was she’s feeling and hoping for.
anitaParticipantcorrection: “thank you for addressing me… “
anitaParticipantThomas: “Dear Anita, Taking sides? You should always do what you feel is right for you.”-
Thank you, Thomas
“The journey is just as important.”- I would very much like to understand your journey..
There’s so much I don’t understand about your interaction with James.. and maybe it’s okay that I don’t…
James, thank you for aggressing me and others as “Dear (name)- I like it, it feels nice.
Peace back to you!
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I just lost a long post I prepared for you.
Maybe I better summarize what I wrote and lost:
No, I don’t mind you thinking out loud and offering possibilities that may have not crossed my mind. I welcome you to continue to offer me your thoughts (grateful).
Bruce and Carrol- they may not have shown up because of Bruce’s health issues. Although they could have been there regardless (sad)
The taproom owner (also serves alcohol almost every day the taproom is open so to save money and maximize profit)- that’s a different story from Bruce and Carrol. He is a smart business owner whose focus is profit. He saw us visiting the taproom regularly before he bought the place (with another partner) and saw us there since, so.. he didn’t think he’d lose 2 customers if he didn’t show up a single time at the winery. He thought we are a sure thing, that we’ll keep showing up (so why bother with wasting energy or a few dollars on coming to the winery..?)
He’s very friendly and charismatic when serving alcohol, but when he’s at the taproom not serving (an employee does that)- he mostly ignores the customers. So, however friendly.. it’s a business practice more than genuine friendliness.
I haven’t been there since Tues when I felt badly there for the first time, resentful.
I am thinking- for socialization purposes- to switch businesses, go somewhere else in the same downtown area, a place that’s also less expensive. My heart is no longer at or with the taproom.
As far as businesses that sell alcohol being sued- thing is that employees who serve alcohol, as well as the businesses selling alcohol, are bound by law to not overserve. An employee is trained to detect a customer’s tipsiness and cut him or her off (refuse to serve more). If a customer, while under the influence, gets into an accident, the cops will test their breath and if UDI-ed, they’d ask the person: “where did you have your last drink?” (something like that) and then it goes to lawyers, the business gets sued (hence the huge insurance premiums), as well as the server gets penalized individually.
I just found out the message I thought I lost:
Tee: “Because it is a big change, and something you definitely didn’t want, since you say you’ve been in denial about it… So now, when it finally happened, it hit you hard, causing strong emotions, as well as anxiety about the future.
“It seems you really loved the place, worked so hard, making sure everything is running smoothly. You worked both in the fields and inside, wherever there was a task that needed to be done – you were there to complete it. As Alessa said, you put your heart and soul into it. 🤍 You’ve even neglected your own house… putting all your efforts into the winery (and Tiny Buddha, of course 🙂 )
“And of course, when you give something your everything, it hurts bad that it’s coming to an end, an unsatisfactory end 😕”-
Thank you! I read your words attentively. I feel that I am understood, validated.
“Right.. so never in a four years was there a profit for the owners.. I guess they were always hoping for better times, for the business to pick up? Perhaps they too wanted it so badly that they didn’t want to see the reality of it: that the expenses are huge and the income doesn’t cover them (or barely covers them)?”- Yes.
“I’m sorry about that, Anita 😢 I guess they offered a very low price, and the owners were forced to accept it, because keeping it was bringing more loss with each day, right?”- right, plus it’s a buyer market.
“You said that you had pretty significant social anxiety, and that when in the company of people at various social events, you mostly listened, but you didn’t contribute to the conversation much (if I got that right?)”- I started talking to people about 3 years ago (at the winery and at the taproom).
“So perhaps you haven’t talked much to him (the taproom owner) either, haven’t engaged in a conversation, and so he didn’t feel as close to you as to come visit the winery on its own accord?”- I engaged plenty with him in the last 2-3 years. I was very friendly, empathetic, attentive, as well as with his customers, making people feel comfortable, and being helpful to him whenever there.
“Well, that’s human nature… nobody likes to pay more if not necessary. Probably those goods were put on sale, and people bought them?”-
No, nothing was put on sale. People came by and asked to buy this or that, mostly big wine barrels, half of which costs $80 dollars in the store. They ended up paying only $25 a barrel. People asked for bigger discounts on wine bottles than was already offered (50%, more than the final sale of 40% already offered.. and received it).
“You said routine has always helped you calm down, so I guess you’ve got to find a new routine, perhaps around cleaning and organizing the house at first. And I guess you get to do your daily walks too.”-
yes, I’ll resume the 3.5 mile loop walk around here and started working on organizing the severely neglected house, 1.5 hours today, (following 2.5 hours work at the winery today, packing things)
“I was thinking that you’re lucky that you’re in good health and mobile (something I’m very limited with), and that you’re able to do hard physical work – showing how healthy and strong you are. And I’d see it as a very valuable resource, which I would be over the moon to get back.
“I’m not saying this to diminish your predicament, or to minimize your pain and loss. Not at all! I’m just saying that you’ve still got your health, which is super important. And you can start anew, invent your life anew.”-
Thank you, Tee and/ but I think I share health anxiety with you, I get so scared when I feel pain, like I did this afternoon, in my right knee.
“I hope you’ll feel more hopeful in the following days, as you’re accepting and relaxing into this new reality. Perhaps you can reframe it as a loss, but not a devastating, unrecoverable loss. You do have the ability to bounce back, and I’m sure you will! 🤍
“Dear Anita, I’ll keep praying for you!”- Thank you so much. Tee!
I’ll add that today, for the last time, I did my exercise short routine at the winery, and as I did the hip muscles strengthening exercise- something you recommended that I do, I thought of you as I looked at the mountains around, cloaked in clouds. So, it was like you were there, with me.. for the last time 😕 😕 😕
🙏 🤍 🫶 🤍 🙏 Anita
anitaParticipantHello Everyone:
First, I want to apologize to Thomas and to James for posing here 2 days ago: “Personally, I (Anita) 👍 James’s views over Thomas’s 👎”. I shouldn’t have. It’s a tendency of mine- when I sense aggression between two people- to.. take a side.
I wonder if “Real Spirituality” includes arguing, forcefulness and even aggression..?
Peter: “I wonder, if flow were possible for you today, what might it look like? Not in the past, but in the life you have now.
For me that is what the koan hints at… the ground beneath our feet. No pressure, just curious what comes up for you”-Thank you, Peter. Actually, I just did, in this response- I went with the flow! Spent very little time on this response, just wrote what it was that came through my mind. Same as my other responses this afternoon. I suppose going with the flow today, means.. not overthinking, or researching.. just flowing along on this computer screen you’re looking at.
Anita
anitaParticipantThank you, Gerard!
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