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Dear Peter:
Just a little while ago, I felt that it is okay for me to keep the boundary with my mother (no contact) because I value myself and what I need for my well-being. I don’t need the hurt and anger to keep my boundary with her. Valuing myself/ my well-being is a good enough motivator. And it’s positive motivator, it doesn’t distress me (like the re-experience of hurt and anger does).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your heartfelt response. I’m glad to hear that my reflections resonated with you and helped clarify what you were trying to express. It’s truly a very meaningful dialogue for me, and I appreciate your insights and willingness to share these here.
Your reference to Hokusai’s words, “Life living through You,” and the concept of flow—being transparent to the transcendent—is striking a chord with me this morning:
“– Flow – Transparent to the Transcendent”- in this context, being “transparent” means being open and unobstructed. It suggests that ego, biases, and preconceptions (based on the past) are obstructing the experience of the present moment/ the Eternal Now.
Being transparent to the transcendent means that when I am fully engaged and immersed in the present moment (flow), I am open to and can experience higher states of consciousness or profound insights (transcendence).
“Buddha nature transcends duality and constructs… returning to stillness, silence, Love, non-duality – the Eternal Now, the source from which the experience arose”- being fully aware of the present moment, without obstructions/ distraction from past or future, promotes a sense of unity and interconnectedness with all things and a sense of inner peace, calm, and stillness.
Every present moment is seen as fully sufficient in itself, containing all the richness and depth of experience without needing to be tied to past or future moments.
Each moment holds infinite potential because it is not limited by time. It is experienced as a timeless essence.
Personally, I have been heavily obstructed by my past, living under a very dark cloud of past hurts, sadness and anger, jealousy and envy, a deep sense of injustice.
There is no way to find light under a dark cloud (beyond a moment here, a moment there, moments far in between). Got to transcend my past, to rise above it. To experience the Eternal Now.
This will need to be absorbed further, to be made a way of life in practical terms, my new way of life. You, Peter, presented this to me in a way that made it possible for me to perceive for the first time in my life. It is amazing to me!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
Thank you for sharing this update. It sounds like you’ve been navigating a lot of emotional complexities and doing your best to find clarity and balance.
It’s good to hear that you’re feeling emotionally ready for a new relationship, or comfortable with taking things as they come. It’s important to give yourself the time and space to let things unfold naturally.
Your situation with your colleague is indeed complicated. It’s commendable that you’ve recognized the red flags and the need for firmer boundaries. It’s also understandable that your attraction to her, the emotional support she offers at times, and the fact that she is a work colleague, all make it difficult to step back completely.
Earlier, you clearly communicated to her your interest and desire to take time to understand each other better, emphasizing the need for her to resolve existing issues first (her unresolved attachment to her ex/ present-partner). You showed her empathy and patience, and a willingness to support her during tough times, even if it complicates your emotions.
You are and have been emotionally aware and communicative about your feelings and intentions- with her, and here on your thread. You’re also cautious and reflective, recognizing red flags, and understandably demonstrating caution in proceeding with the relationship.
On her part, her on-and-off relationship and emotional turmoil indicate- as you know- instability and unresolved attachment to the ex-present-partner. This instability may be what’s leading her to seek comfort from others (you included), so to cope with her feelings of hurt, confusion, and distress.
During times of emotional distress, it’s common for individuals to seek out support and comfort from people. This helps to feel less isolated and more supported. Engaging in new relationships or close connections can serve as a distraction from the pain of the on-and-off relationship. By focusing on someone new, she might temporarily escape the emotional challenges she is facing.
But while seeking comfort from a new person might provide temporary relief, it doesn’t address the underlying issues or the emotional baggage from the on-and-off relationship.
When someone is still emotionally attached to an ex, their attention and emotional energy are divided. This can make it difficult for them to adequately invest in a new relationship as part of them is still focused elsewhere.
A new relationship formed quickly after a breakup can often be a rebound, where the primary goal is to fill the void left by the previous relationship. This type of relationship is typically less stable and may not be based on genuine compatibility. Therefore, before entering a new relationship, it’s important for individuals to heal emotionally and come to terms with the end of their previous relationship. This ensures they are ready to invest adequately and healthily in a new connection.
I’ve been experimenting with using poetry in my replies in the forums, and I wonder if the following may help you better communicate with her:
Poem for her: In Between the Lines
In moments shared, we’ve wandered close,
In couple-like exchanges,
In this grey zone, undefined,
Our hearts and minds were sometimes intertwined.We’ve talked, we’ve laughed, we’ve held so tight,
Yet boundaries blurred in the quiet night,
I see the care, the warmth you bring,
But also feel the hurt it stings.Your birthday passed, we spent the night,
You spoke of her, the endless fight,
She drains you, yet you can’t let go,
I struggle with this, can’t quite know.Your heart is torn, I clearly see,
Between the past and what might be,
I’ve tried to stand with patient care,
But find confusion everywhere.You said you’d help with simple things,
Like trimming nails for feline kings,
Yet plans fell through, commitments missed,
Between your tasks, our bond dismissed.You see me when it fits your day,
But making plans, you shy away,
I asked for time, a firm resolve,
Not “maybe” or “unsure,” absolve.I feel attraction, strong and pure,
Yet, no commitment, boundaries blurred
Make me unsure,I need to step back, find my ground,
To set a boundary, gentle, kind,
So, peace and clarity we find.Let’s take a step, a thoughtful pause,
To see the truth, to understand the cause,With respect and honesty,
We’ll find the way it’s meant to be.What do you think about this poem, Clara: does it resonate with you?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy, here is a poem just for you:
In the quiet hours of the night, a silent plea,
For rest, for peace, for tranquility.The walls are thin, the noise is loud,
Restless nights and weary days,
In search of solace, gentle rays.The need for space, a breath of air,
To dream, to rest, to find repair.
To find a place where sleep can mend.Oh, sister dear, can you not see,
The toll it takes, the pain in me?
A simple wish, a night so still,
To calm the mind, the heart to fill.With love, with care, let’s find a way,
To bridge the gap, to heal, to stay,
In harmony, where all can be,
Together, yet in unity.For in the quiet, hearts can mend,
And wounds of past begin to end,
Let peace descend, a gentle dove,
In the silent night, a sister’s love.(Yet moving out is the only solution I see, at this time).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
Thank you for sharing what’s been happening. It sounds incredibly frustrating and emotionally draining to deal with this recurring issue.
It’s clear that you’re doing your best to communicate your needs for quiet and sleep, which are entirely reasonable, especially given your work schedule. It’s also understandable that you feel exasperated and hurt when your attempts to address the problem are met with what seems like blame and passive-aggressiveness.
I can see how this cycle of confrontation, followed by immediate shutdown and cold shoulder, is triggering for you. It’s tough when someone close to you, especially a primary caregiver figure from childhood, responds in a way that feels punishing and dismissive.
You are not wrong for feeling the way you do. Your need for sleep and your desire for your own space are valid. Moving out to have your own space sounds like a healthy step for you, given the ongoing conflict and differing schedules.
I hope that, in time, you and your sister can find a way to communicate more openly and empathetically, respecting each other’s needs and boundaries. In the meantime, please take care of yourself and do what feels right for your well-being. Moving out is the right thing for you to do, I believe, if you can handle the emotions involved with moving out.
Wishing you peace and rest,
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your insightful and reflective message. I understand that you didn’t mean to invalidate my experience (and you didn’t), and I’m glad we’re finding the dialogue helpful.
Your reflection on my non-labeled version and the possibility of letting go of the need to retell the story is something I didn’t think about before you introduced the concept to me.
You wrote: “What I was questioning was, now that years have passed, if… I was retelling a old story’s then using that negative energy that would arise to maintain current boundaries. Realizing that boundaries that need the energy of anger and hurt to maintain might not be healthy boundaries”-
– What I understand (for the first time in my life!) is that there is a difference between healthy boundaries and unhealthy boundaries. Unhealthy boundaries are those that are based on a negative foundation, which is the ongoing, long-term emotional experience of hurt and anger. It is exhausting, and it keeps the person hurt and angry way after boundaries have been established, while the person is no longer in the situation where he/ she is disrespected or abused.
It means a life filled with hurt and anger that no longer serve to establish boundaries because such have already been established.
Healthy boundaries are based on positive foundations such as self-respect, personal value, and emotional well-being, rather than negative emotions.
So, what a person with healthy boundaries experiences on a long-term basis (after boundaries have been established and while they are maintained) is not hurt and anger, but self-respect and peace of mind.
Boundaries grounded in anger and hurt are emotionally exhausting to maintain. Healthy boundaries, on the other hand, are without constant emotional strain.
The idea is not to… not set boundaries, but to set boundaries that are not rooted in ongoing, long-term anger and hurt.
Part of the journey involves letting go of the old stories and the negative emotions (hurt and anger) they evoke. This doesn’t mean forgetting the past but rather processing it in ways that promotes personal growth.
Ongoing, long-term, chronic hurt and anger hinder personal growth, while ongoing self-respect, self-esteem and peace of mind promote personal growth.
So, as I retell my story with the hurt and anger, with labels that maintain the hurt and anger, I hinder my personal growth.
Healthy boundaries don’t require ongoing justification by retelling the stories with hurt and anger. The stories stand on their own merit and can be retold without the labels that maintain hurt and anger.
“Sadly, my journal clearly shows a tendency to hold on to the stories (with the labels) then using the anger and hurt that the labels created to maintain boundaries”- now I understand. This has been what I did my whole adult life… and I didn’t know it until this very morning. Now I know because of you, Peter.
“In the non-labeled version, I saw a person who did the work and created healthy boundaries that didn’t require any further explanation, exploration, justification, labels or re-telling. Bitter, as the hurt is and was real but sweet because, having emerged out the other side, better connected to the true self”-
– My true self is one that no longer lives under the dark cloud of hurt and anger, but one who sees the light come through and feel its warmth.
I am… I don’t have words to describe this newness of this in my mind and heart. It will take time to take it in further. Thank you is not saying enough. I hope you are not reading this before the weekend ends and I hope it’s a good weekend for you.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued: In the shadowed years of yesterdays,
Where dreams lay silent, hidden in haze,
A soul once tethered, bound in sorrow,
Now dances freely into tomorrow.The clouds that cloaked the skies in grey,
Have drifted, yielding to the day,
Beneath the weight of guilt and strife,
Emerges now, a vibrant life.A playground waits, with open arms,
Where joy returns,
She runs, she leaps, she dares to feel,
A life reborn, a heart that’s real.A miracle, a tragic tale,
Of how through darkness, light prevails.anitaParticipantContinued (a request to anyone who may be reading this: please do not respond. This is meant to be a journal entry):
What a journey this life of mine has been. It is difficult for me to state my age because I can hardly believe that I am this old. WHAT? Me, this old? NO WAY!!!
Why, how did I get to be this old, when I didn’t even get to be YOUNG???
I just arranged to listen to “When I was young”, by Glen Cambell: “Yesterday, when I was young… The thousands dreams I dreamed…
“Yesterday, when I was young, There were so many songs that waited to be sung, So, many wild pleasures lay in store for me… And youth at last ran out”- damn!
“Yesterday when I was young, there were so many songs that waited to be sung… There are so many songs in me that won’t be sung”-
– I am still alive, and I can sing because truly, I am younger now than I ever was since I can remember myself, how crazy: I get to be young when old, a tragedy? A miracle?
Ever since I remember myself, I was depressed and exhausted, a depressed and exhausted teenager- 20s- 30s- 40s- and on.
All my life was not about me, too guilty, too depressed TO LIVE.
I don’t have the words to describe…
Here I am, like a kid in a playground, with other kids, running toward others, toward the experiencing of life, feeling affection, attraction, a wanting, a desiring. LIFE.
My desiring of life knows no boundaries, it wants to explode and take over with no care for societal expectations and ethics… just to live before it all shuts down forevermore.
All my “life” was under a thick, dark cloud (my mother and all that caused her to be that cloud) that kept the sunlight away from me, hidden from me- just from me, so it seemed. It’s mind boggling, really. I see the light now, but what am I to do with it, or about it…?
anita
anitaParticipant* You are welcome, Helcat!
Dear Peter: I just read your FYI note about staying away from the computer on weekends- thank you for letting me know. I will reply further either tomorrow or on Monday. I hope that you are having a good weekend!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
You re-wrote beautifully, I am amazed how well you wrote, a moment of perfection, I say! I will read all and reply further Sat morning
Anita
anitaParticipantYou are welcome, Adrianne, and thank you for the note!
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
At first, as I read your recent post yesterday, and again this morning, I didn’t hear you. Instead, I heard my mother saying about herself and me: “I was not the villain, and you were not the victim!”, invalidating reality and my emotions that fit the reality of what was. But I didn’t know at the time that I was hearing her. I thought I was hearing you invalidating reality and my emotions, and the same-old, same-old frustration and pain reoccurred, that chronic self-doubt, a painful mental condition.
Next, yesterday, I remembered The Rule of Charity and figured I was probably jumping to conclusions here and that I will revisit this in the morning. This morning, I looked at your writing further and saw that you expressed empathy for me, that you didn’t invalidate me, and that you were reflecting on your own experience and how creating more neutral versions of your stories might help you let go of negative emotions. You were talking about yourself, not criticizing and invalidating me (a relief).
Thank you, Peter, for your thoughtful and empathetic response. I appreciate your recognition of the emotional effort that went into my original journal entry.
I understand what you mean about the “victim-villain” dynamic. For me, using labeling language was a crucial step in validating my experiences and asserting my boundaries at that time. It helped me articulate the intensity of the hurt and establish the necessary distance to protect myself.
Over time, as I have healed and gained more perspective, I do find value in using more neutral language about what I refer to as normal life situations (not including the situations of my childhood with my mother). It allows for a broader interpretation and can help in letting go of the negative emotions tied to those stories.
“In hindsight I’m wondering if I felt that I needed to feel the emotions and stay angry to justify the boundaries was creating. (I notice today, not always healthy boundaries)”-
– you mean that you made some decisions in the heat of the moment, driven by anger and hurt, without considering the possibility of reconciliation, or the impact of the decisions on your life long-term (an example would be following a single argument with a partner, a person decides to end the relationship abruptly, without giving their partner a chance to explain or resolve the issue)?* I created lots and lots of reactive, inflexible boundaries with people (ending contact with people abruptly and forevermore), finding myself alone and lonely. While those decisions provided me with immediate relief and a sense of control, they prevented personal growth, reconciliation, and coming across healthy ways of managing emotions and having a long-term relationship.
“Now that time has passed, do you feel you need the labeling experience to maintain and or justify the boundaries you created?”- in regard to normal situations (I explained “normal situations” above), I do find it very helpful to quiet down the labels, to challenge negative labels, to consider different angles to the story. In other words, to apply The Rule of Charity that you introduced to me.
Thank you for sharing your perspective and for your kind words about my journey. I hope to continue our conversation, it’s amazingly helpful to me. I hope it is helpful to you too.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Ricky:
Thank you for caring to post the above. I think it’s a typo, and you meant that “please do not use the words twin-flame”? I am interested in reading more about your perception of the term…?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Adrianne:
Thank you for clarifying that you want to keep the focus on your experiences. I understand that this situation is incredibly challenging for you, and it’s important to give your story the attention it deserves.
From what you shared, it’s clear that you’ve been caught in the middle of family conflicts for a long time, often being unfairly blamed or judged based on your mother’s actions. This has understandably left you feeling frustrated, disappointed, and exhausted by the ongoing drama.
It’s commendable that you’ve set boundaries with your mother and are striving to live your own life. Your desire to be treated as an individual and not an extension of your mother is completely valid. It’s also understandable that you don’t want to lose contact with your family, despite the toxicity.
Studying all that you shared, about you: you come across as a sensitive and reflective young person: you are acutely aware of your feelings and the impact of family dynamics on your well-being. Your reflections show depth and thoughtfulness. You strive to carve out your own identity separate from your mother’s conflicts.
Despite the challenges, you remain committed to living your life on your terms and not being dragged into familial disputes. Your primary motivation, in this context, is to live a life free from the toxicity and conflicts that have plagued your family.
You desire to be seen and treated as an individual, not as an extension of your mother or her conflicts. While you value family connections, you want these relationships to be healthy and based on mutual respect.
About your mother: she has a history of engaging in arguments and conflicts with various family members, and she involved you in her own conflicts. She may feel the need to assert control over family dynamics and rally support and loyalty from you and others.
* In general, engaging in arguments may be a way for individuals to express unresolved emotions and grievances that they don’t know how to process or communicate in healthier ways. Examples: (1) a person has longstanding feelings of resentment towards a family member due to past conflicts or perceived injustices. Instead of addressing these issues directly, they engage in arguments over unrelated topics as a way to vent their underlying anger and frustration.
(2) Someone who feels overwhelmed by stress or emotional pain finds themselves initiating or participating in arguments as a way to release pent-up emotions. The act of arguing provides a temporary outlet for their feelings, a temporary relief, even though it doesn’t resolve the underlying issues.
(3) An individual who feels neglected or unheard may use arguments as a way to demand attention and validation from others. Engaging in conflicts can be a way to ensure their voice is heard, even if it’s through a negative interaction.
(4) A person who struggles with expressing their true feelings may use arguments as a defense mechanism. By focusing on external conflicts, they avoid confronting and revealing their deeper emotions and fears.
(5) Someone dealing with internal conflicts, such as feelings of inadequacy or guilt, might project these feelings onto others through arguments. By blaming or criticizing others, they deflect attention away from their own guilt, insecurities and other internal struggles.
Engaging in arguments as a way of expressing unresolved emotions and grievances is often an unconscious behavior. It serves as a coping mechanism for individuals who don’t have the tools or support to process and communicate their emotions healthily.
About other family members: they take sides in family conflicts, often judging you based on your mother’s actions. Their behavior is reactive, influenced by ongoing disputes and their perceptions of loyalty, and their interactions with you fluctuate based on the current state of family conflicts. They may be motivated by a sense of loyalty to certain family members, leading to divisive behavior. Some cousins might genuinely want to understand your position but are influenced by the prevailing conflicts.
When family members blame you, they may be trying to make a complicated situation easier to understand. Instead of dealing with all the different reasons for the conflicts, they pick one person to blame. This way, they can avoid thinking about the many different things that might be causing the problems. They may project blame onto you as a way to feel a sense of control over the chaotic and unpredictable family environment: by identifying someone to blame, they feel more in control of the situation.
Blaming someone else can provide a temporary release of suppressed emotions. It allows individuals to vent their anger, frustration, or hurt, although in an unhealthy way. Family members’ projection onto you distort their perception of you, viewing you not as an individual but as an extension of the conflicts or negative feelings associated with your mother.
Being unjustly blamed for conflicts you had no part in, you bear the brunt of this projection. You are treated as a scapegoat, which leads to feelings of isolation, confusion, and frustration.
Family members’ actions of projecting blame onto you can be seen as a coping mechanism for their own unresolved emotional responses to the family dynamics. This projection serves to deflect their emotional turmoil, simplify complex conflicts, seek a sense of control, and discharge their emotions. However, it results in unfair treatment and isolation for you, as you are unjustly burdened with the blame for issues you did not create.
* In regard to your cousin from your dad’s side, her happiness at the thought (her misinterpretation) of you not speaking to your mother indicates a strong “team mentality” within the family dynamics. The cousin seems to view relationships in terms of alliances, expecting people to take sides in family conflicts. Her reaction to seeing you in a car with your mother was highly emotional and reactive. She quickly jumped to conclusions and responded with anger. Using terms like “crazy,” “schizophrenic,” and “idiot” indicates a lack of emotional regulation and a tendency to resort to hurtful language when feeling betrayed or upset. By lashing out at you, she discharges her frustration and reinforces her own narrative of loyalty and betrayal. Her behavior reflects a deep entrenchment in the family’s conflict dynamics, characterized by a team mentality, emotional reactivity, projection of unresolved emotions, a need for control, and a lack of empathy.
“Is it valuable to keep them in my life? I am tired by this. I want to live my own life; all this drama is tiring and stupid.”-
– recognizing when it’s appropriate to give up on trying to change longstanding unhealthy family dynamics is crucial, especially considering your young age and the no-mention of an interest from your family in seeking therapy or making changes.
When family members are entrenched in their ways and show no desire to change or attend therapy, it becomes impossible, or almost impossible (says I) for one individual to make meaningful progress in family dynamics. If you are the only one consistently making an effort to improve family dynamics and there is no dependable interest or cooperation from other family members, it might be time to reconsider trying
It takes a family to change family dynamics. It takes a number of family members to commit to making positive changes and to consistently work on it. One person within the family cannot change toxic family dynamics (family dynamics that started most likely way before you were born). Since the effort to change family dynamics is causing you chronic stress, as I understand it to be, it’s essential to prioritize your own mental health.
Trying to change these deeply rooted patterns may be like beating a rock, hoping to get water out of it. No matter how hard you try, the effort will not yield the desired result. It’s important to recognize your limits and prioritize yourself. Choosing yourself is a powerful act of self-care and self-respect.
Choosing yourself isn’t a betrayal of your family. It’s not about rejecting the idea of family, but rather rejecting the toxic dynamics within it. By prioritizing your well-being, you might even indirectly benefit your family in the long run. On the flip side, sacrificing your well-being to try and change them will likely only drain you and harm your mental health. The outcome? More of the same toxic environment for everyone.
Surround yourself with people who respect and support you and invest in relationships that bring positivity and growth. Since currently, this is not available to you within your family, find it elsewhere, is my advice. What do you think?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for the quick and genuine-feeling reply, it makes me smile because of the personal feel of it.
Exhausted I am indeed, so I’ll get back to you Fri morning.
Anita
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