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anitaParticipant
Dear Sammie: I will read and reply in about 12 hours from now.
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anitaParticipantDear Shandrea: I have to run, but will be back to you this evening or tonight. About your question: can you think of an answer before I return?
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anitaParticipantDear Helcat:
It’s okay, the delay in responding, and you are very welcome! I am sorry you had a rough day and I hope that hormones and sleep improve greatly for you! Thank you for your kindness and support!😊
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anitaParticipantDear Sammie:
Welcome back to the forums! “My friends didn’t really believe me. How could they? They see the polished, put together version of him. I saw the monster that lay beneath the surface“-
– you’ve seen the monster the first time you were introduced to him: “The first time I was introduced to him, he lured me to his apartment under false pretences… We get to his apartment and he offers me a drink… He starts talking about my shoes and how I should take them off… he came over to me to forcefully take off my shoes himself. I fought him off and he grabbed me by the wrists. I had to fight him off me“.
You told your friends about his behavior (I see it as a physical assault, an attempted rape), but they “didn’t really believe” you. “They said he was having a bad day“, and you felt guilty for making “an issue out of nothing“. You saw him times again when he wasn’t that bad (“he was not always this bad“), and eventually, you got into a relationship with him, a relationship that turned out to be that bad: “I had no autonomy over my mind or my body. ‘No’ was not a word he understood… My body was his whenever he wanted. He told me it wasn’t mine anymore… I was losing control of my reality. Constantly being told I was a liar and manipulator… (I was) begging and pleading for forgiveness while being gaslit… He has been cheating on me throughout the relationship… He would look at me with pure disdain on his face, sometimes with cold, unfeeling, vacant eyes. It was like I was looking at a beast to be feared“.
“Where has the nice version of him gone?… I wonder, why would someone treat me like this? How could he be so cruel yet tell me I needed to be better? How could he call me a liar when he was cheating on me?“-
– reads like the nice version of him was pushed down when the monster, the beast to be feared took over. I am sorry that you- and others- have been on the receiving end of his abuses.
“My life is dancing. I perform in shows. I have lots of friends and my heart is full of love for them. While I was with him, my life was grey. Now my life shimmers iridescent. I’m a world traveler. I’ve seen incredible places and met even more incredible people. I am loved. I am very fortunate and I am always grateful… But sometimes, on days like today, I miss him. I miss what we should have been. I miss what we could have been…I have a new boyfriend now. It’s different. It’s calm. It’s safe. But I feel empty. I feel apathy. I worry that I won’t be able to feel again. Thank you for listening to my story.“-
– You are welcome, and thank you for telling your story. Talking about versions, reads like perhaps you too have two versions: one is a loved, iridescent, very fortunate, dancing, a world-traveler version, and the other version is.. you tell me (if you relate to what I am saying)..?
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anitaParticipantDear Shandrea:
“Connecting with people in a positive way I’m going to remember this… I’m not a fan of loneliness. I have a pet cat“- can you tell me about the ways you are connecting with your pet cat that are positive?
Are there ways you are connecting with your cat that are negative?
You wrote yesterday, “I have trust issues“- tell me about it, if you will (you never have to answer my questions, it’s always okay for you to not answer).
Personally, I grew up largely disconnected from people, alone (too little companionship and interactions with peers, particularly of the positive kind), and very lonely: my mother was in my close proximity a whole lot, but I felt very lonely in her presence and wished to be away from her.
I didn’t trust her, other adults, or my peers. Trust and Loneliness are connected. Like you, I google words a lot: “Loneliness”=> “sadness because one has no friends or company”.
“The connection between loneliness and trust issues” => “Lonely people show reduced activity and connectivity in brain areas involved in trust formation”, “Reduced trust is both a cause and a consequence of loneliness”. What do you think about this connection?
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anitaParticipantDear Clara:
You are welcome! I feel like I am getting to know her way better than I did before because of our most recent communication. Things are making sense now: for example, why she chose to tell you “I don’t like you anymore“, and “I have no feelings for you“, as the reasons for the break and later, the breakup. When a person has no tolerance for difficult, painful, or just unpleasant feelings (can’t and won’t endure them for long), a person is not going to address and examine issues that involve difficult, painful or unpleasant feelings. And so, she didn’t address or examine any relationship issue, and instead chose to call quits on her feelings and on the relationship.
“During our dating, I think I felt our distance, probably due to her emotional disconnection, so I cannot feel the closeness (because she couldn’t get in touch with her emotions, how could I?)“- it’s like there’s a buffer zone between her and her feelings.
“It occurred to me suddenly, that she has never shared any photos of me in social media, throughout the whole 5 years..”- you shared earlier that she kept her sexual orientation a secret from work colleagues. Maybe she is ashamed of being in a same-sex relationship and tried to keep it (and you) a secret, or if not a secret (from friends) then she minimized it in her communication with them..?
“I think that also explained why I felt quite insecure,“- yes, some of her attitudes and behaviors would make anyone (who is not equally as disconnected and avoidant as her) feel anxious and insecure.
“especially when she went out with friends whom I don’t know, and why I chose not to call her even when I was in distress, because at the back of my mind, I felt she didn’t want anyone to know that she got a partner…“- there’re buffer zones between her emotions and within her social life. I think there’s shame within her, a rejection of herself.
“Some time ago (year or years ago), she began not wanting to have sex with me… She told me (and herself) that she didn’t like it… Only recently, in our more heated conversations, that she revealed she actually enjoyed it“- shame kills joy, but not completely, not all the time.
“She brainwashed herself (and me) that this was how she was, instead of admitting that she wants something but it is not working, and that there is work to be done for us“- so, instead of saying something like: I like sex, let’s work on my shame about it, she said (before admitting that she enjoyed it): I don’t like sex!
* This is similar to her saying to you I have no feelings for you, instead of saying: I have some difficult feelings about our relationship, let’s work on that!
“Again, her avoidant, and non-confronting behaviour, created selfishness by leading me the wrong way, not deviously, but nonetheless selfish“- yes.
“The pattern you described 6 years ago, still feels similar to my feelings right now… The words she said seem to be logically correct but not emotional consistent… Saying she cared and wanted a long term relationship… (then) wanting flings and doesn’t want to care“- I suppose that’s why her previous on-again, off-again relationship suited her.
She said that she cared but buffer-zoned that care; she said she wanted a long-term relationship, but buffer-zoned that want.
“It’s interesting how each day evolves into a different insight. I think she might have dropped the whole thing but I am still consistently reflecting and trying to face it. I guess that’s also the difference that we are having“- you don’t buffer zone your feelings, you are tolerating difficult feelings while reflecting and trying to get to solutions to problems.
* The breakup: is it a problem or a solution to a relationship that had an expiration date from the start?
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anitaParticipantDear Lola:
“my boss was flirting with me on our Xmas party, he was arm in arm with me, gave me a long hug before I got into the cab, staring into my eyes and telling me I am doing great and he was so happy with me. My husband had come to pick me up and saw us and got very upset“- your boss was walking you to a cab arm in arm, and before you got into the cab, he gave you a hug, telling you that he appreciates your work. He did all that in public, in front of the other attendees of the Xmas party. Your husband did not know that a cab was ordered for you and came to pick you up, seeing you and your boss walking arm in arm, and/ or he saw the hug.
Wikipedia defines flirting as “a social and sexual behavior involving body language, or spoken or written communication between humans”. In your description above, I personally do not see the sexual element. I can’t tell what your former boss felt when he hugged you, but you did not mention any sexual response or behavior on his part.
“he (your husband) fought with me for months, still hates me for it today even though I quit. It also became physical and I was hurt trying to apologize, I didn’t cheat and felt so depressed“- your husband fought with you for months and hit you (or caused you physical harm otherwise). This is an abusive overreaction to the Xmas party scene above.
You told your boss about your husband fighting with you. At first, he was sympathetic, then he started ignoring you, and then your manager (a woman) “started to show hate and micromanage me and load me with so much work it was impossible to do it all to her expectations… then placed me on a performance improvement plan which was impossible to achieve“. Next, knowing you were about to get fired, you quit the job.
You’ve been looking for a new job, having had 5 interviews. About one of the interviewer, you wrote: “the interviewer hugged me at the end and promised she would follow up in a week, she didn’t… she ghosted me, I feel terrible and rejected“- it seems strange to me that an interviewer in a professional setting will hug the interviewed (unless the two know each other as friends from before the interview..?)
I am not suggesting it was a flirting behavior on her part, as in a sexual element being involved, and you didn’t mention such, perhaps (?) because unlike your former boss, the interviewer was a woman.
“I’m so depressed now that I have no job, no income, and all my interviews have been unsuccessful… my husband is trying to be supportive and has been paying all the bills“- your husband is trying to be supportive, but he still hates you today (“still hates me for it today even though I quit“, you wrote earlier).
“My husband and I are trying for a baby“- while he hates you?
“I am physically very attractive (been told this) and all men try to flirt with me at some point even though I am strict with morals and would never cheat“- this suggests to me that you expect men to try to flirt with you simply because all men have tried to flirt with you. Perhaps at times, you misinterpret men’s gestures and behaviors to mean that they are flirting with you when they are not.
“I feel suicidal most days and have vivid dreams of death and sometimes working in a good job… my brain is unable to cope with this development and low in my life, especially since I was doing well in my career, I wonder if it’s just me, or has anyone else been through this, defeated and broken… I cant bear this happened to me… and feel so lonely… I don’t have friends“- sometime while I was typing this reply, you deactivated your account and appear as Anonymous. It happened before that members deactivated their accounts and returned to their threads under a different account. I hope that this will be the case with you!
You wrote that you feel so lonely and that you don’t have friends. If you return to your thread, I would like to be your friend (in the context of your thread): not because you are physically very attractive, but because you are emotionally in pain. I would like to read from you more, talk with you more, share with you.
“please help/advice me on what I can do.“- please return to your thread. There is a quote I like: “The only way out is through“- let me walk with you through and out of your depression and loneliness..?
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anitaParticipantGood night, Shandrea, back to you in the morning!
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anitaParticipantBe back to you Wed morning (Tues 9:45 pm here, Wed 12:45 am where you are, I believe). Good night for the two of us, Shandrea!
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anitaParticipantDear Clara: it’s Tues night here, late, and I’ll reply further tomorrow morning, but for now: “The words she said seem to be logically correct but not emotional consistent“- reads most true in regard to who she is: perfectly said by you. Which means, although her logic seems solid.. it is of no value when it comes to a romantic relationship..
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anitaParticipantDear Lola:
It is Tues night here and I would like to thoroughly read your post and reply Wed morning. But for now, I was wondering regarding the beginning of your post: “I recently quit a great job. I had no choice but to quit, my boss was flirting with me on our Xmas party, he was arm in arm with me, gave me a long hug before I got into the cab staring into my eyes and telling me I am doing great and he was so happy with me“-
– is it possible that after a few alcoholic drinks during the Xmas party (if drinking was involved; it most often is), like many tipsy people, he became the.. loving-kind of (bit) of a drunk, not flirty, just loving/ affectionate, something that can or should be forgiven?
I am asking because sometimes when I am tipsy, I feel this child-like love for people (men and women), nothing flirty, I assure you!
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anitaParticipantDear Shandrea:
33 years-old: seems so young from where I am, but I remember that when I turned 30, I thought I was old. If only I could be 33 now.
It was courageous of you to create a social media page so to hopefully connect with a high school friend. I understand you missing having a social life, and I hope you will soon have some (positive) social life: it makes a huge difference in the quality of life.
“I have trust issues“, you wrote. I used to have huge trust issues and because of it (and other factors) I was a very lonely teenager, young adult, older adult.. until recently. Finally connecting with people- online and irl- in positive ways: it’s a different kind of life, very different from loneliness.
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anitaParticipantDear Meg:
“For most of my life I’ve kept my mouth shut when people hurt me“- same here, except that much of the time, although I was hurting, I couldn’t tell if someone was hurting me, or if I was hurt because something was terribly wrong with me.
“no matter the way I word it, I get told that the way I express my hurt is too much and comes off mean“- I wish I could see/ hear you in such a circumstance and figure for myself if you sound mean (very angry, punishing).. or just hurt.
“me constantly feeling angry or mad about his words. They spin on repeat and I either sob or get really angry or both“- how can anyone not get really angry hearing one’s SO gossip about them, revealing medical secrets etc.?
“in the heat of arguments“- what do you say and do when really angry, in the heat of arguments?
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anitaParticipantDear Meg:
You are very welcome! I am running out of time and will reply further either tonight or Wed morning (it’s Tues afternoon here). but for now, The Serenity Prayer may help you, not in a religious sense but for the principle it’s about:
god, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,the courage to change the things I can,and the wisdom to know the difference.Look around you, your life circumstances, the people in your life: what can you change? What must you accept if you want some serenity?anitaAugust 20, 2024 at 11:25 am in reply to: Being a lonely young woman in a world obsessed with romance and sex #436404anitaParticipantDear Elais:
Thank you! About your family checking on you, you wrote: “they didn’t and they don’t. I know that they love me“- they don’t love you enough to check on you 🥹
“And by the way yeah, some part of me feels like I have to join others in suffering.. Some part of me is like afraid that my friends or family will do some extreme action in pain, like suicide, if I don’t keep track on them. It’s extreme I know.”- it amazes me how much we have in common. I was terribly afraid as a child, a teenager, and onward that my mother will commit suicide (she said she will). I used to pray to the stars in the night sky: please keep my mother alive!
I believed that I was one of the people causing her so much pain, so much pain that she wanted to kill herself (well, she said it), so I felt that I had to suffer because I was a bad person (and maybe if I suffer enough.. I’ll become a good person..?)
I was always focused on her, my life taken hostage by the fear that she will die any day, any time. What a waste of my life!
These days, whenever I find myself suffering because someone else is suffering, I say to myself: (1) my suffering is not helping the other person, there’s no benefit to anyone that I suffer, and (2) I want the other person to not suffer: why not wanting myself to not suffer? I mean, I matter too, I am as important as the other person, not less!
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