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anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Always grateful to you, Tee.
“Good that you stopped those visits.. if each visit made you more and more depressed, if it killed the joy in you,”- yes it did, big time!
“then of course itās better to stay away. The problem is ā and you know it too ā that even if we move thousands of miles away from our abusive parents, the emotional bond is still there. Weāre still enmeshed with them, we want them to love us, our sense of self-worth still depends on how they see us..”-
Yes, I know now more than I knew before. Actually, for the longest time, I didn’t know at all. I was too enmeshed with her to see anything clearly.
“Sometimes no physical contact doesnāt mean no emotional attachment. Not at all. But of course, itās easier to let go of that toxic emotional bond if we stop visiting the toxic parent and stop getting more of the same abuse. As you said, it only retraumatized you.”-
Every visit reopened the wound. A core, severe wound.
“However, the problem is that your emotional attachment to your mother still remained. Your inner child still wants her to love you. You still need her love and validation in order to feel lovable and worthy.. And thatās a trap.”-
Yes. I am feeling it right now, this moment. It feels like love, undying love for her. I need to keep the love, remove the object of this love. To love the wrong person, a person that’s eagerly tries to destroy you.. me, is indeed a trap, one of the prey sacrificing its life so to please the predator.
“The goal of healing is to start feeling lovable and worthy even if our parents werenāt able and will never be able to give us what we need, i.e. to meet our basic emotional needs. They gave us physical life, but many of them were not able to give us emotional nurturing, which is a precondition for a healthy personal development.”-
About emotional nurturing, long ago (adolescence, I think), I saw her as a vampire, her teeth etched in my neck, feasting on my blood.
“So weāre stunted in development, basically, because some basic building blocks are missing. But the good news is that we can make up for whatās missing by getting those basic emotional needs met later in our lives. Itās never too late for that..”-
It’s worth it, to heal at a later age. It doesn’t feel like it’s too late. It feels very good.. It’s about time for me to feel good about me being/ becoming me!
“But to return to your question about your mother: “Why canāt she see me, Tee? Why canāt she hear me?”- Because she herself was/is a wounded, traumatized child. She never received love and care during her childhood, and someone āseeingā her and appreciating her. And so she couldnāt give that to you either. She parented you from her wounds and defenses, rather than her true self.”-
I never had these thoughts, in these words: “She parented you from her wounds and defenses, rather than her true self.”
This is true, as true as can be.
“And, which is also important ā she never stopped to ask herself: āwhy, there must be a better way to live. There must be something I can do to help myself. Perhaps if I change, I could have a better life. Perhaps I am contributing to my own sufferingā. Thatās something a person with narcissistic traits never does. And so she didnāt either. In her mind, it was you who were making her life miserable ā it wasnāt anything that she did. She saw you responsible for her internal terror. She had no awareness of her own wounds, her own trauma, nor was she interested in learning about that. Instead, she projected the badness on you, blaming you for causing her pain and suffering.”-
W.O.W, I couldn’t have said it better. No one has ever said this to me, anything like it. So clear, so exact.
“You were an innocent, precious little girl, whom she unfortunately used as her punching bag, as a way for her to relieve her internal tensions and keep deluding herself that she is not the problem.”- it’s like you were there!!!
“I think thatās what happened, Anita. She was someone with a lot of unresolved mental health issues, and as such, she was totally inadequate to be a parent. But she still became a parent and had two beautiful children, whom she didnāt know how to parent. You two became the victims of her untreated mental health problems. Thatās what I believe happened. I wonder how you feel when reading this?”- you are one hundred percent correct.
“Of course Iām happy š«¶ Itās a good feeling to be able to talk to someone honestly, with an open heart, with vulnerability, and see that openness in the other person too. And Iām very happy that our interaction took this turn⦠itās definitely something I cherish ā¤ļø P.S. I like our šs too š”-
To me, our conversation is life-changing. From suspicion, distrust, hostility on my part to => softening, trusting (because you are trustworthy!), a shift. Feels like I am rejoining the human race, the Togetherness lost so long ago, dissolving the separateness.. Because of you, Tee, because of your very intelligent input and understanding, because of your grace and forgiveness, and my ability now to receive it.
š ā¤ļø š ā¤ļø Anita
anitaParticipantHi non-hyena Peter š
Your post brought the first smile to my face this Mon morning.
(I am using Copilot to refresh my mind with Freud’s terms)
* Peter’s Id/ inner child/ inner puppy: “a Labrador Retriever ā enthusiastic, loyal, and occasionally getting itself into trouble… And the puppy? It can be house trainedā.
The Id needs boundaries, structure, and gentle training. Like a puppy, it can learn when itās safe to express desire, how to coexist with others, and how to channel its energy without causing harm.
* Peter’s Super ego/ inner critical parent/ inner critic (the moralizing force- āthe one that judges, scolds, or praises): “the inner monk”. Monk, a figure of contemplation, ethics, and discipline. Not harsh, shaming or punishing, but thoughtful and principled.
Copilot: “Ego ā The Negotiator- The Ego is your inner adult. It tries to balance the Idās cravings with reality. It says, ‘Okay, I hear youābut letās find a way that works in the real world.’… The Ego judges to protect youānot punish you. Its purpose is to balance your inner desires (Id), your moral ideals (Superego), and the real world around you.
“Peterās metaphor invites compassion toward our impulses. Instead of demonizing desire, he suggests we treat it like a loyal puppyātrainable, lovable, and worthy of care. The monk doesnāt punish the puppy; he guides it”.
Back to your words, Peter: “Youāre right wisdom traditions, especially when codified, are often interpreted as saying āDo not judge.ā But I think thatās a misreading. Look closer, and itās less āThou shalt not judgeā and more ‘Judge with care.’… judge with humility and self-awareness. That lands in a similar space to what youāre pointing toward.”-
Okay, this is a relief because I cannot not judge, but I can practice judging with care, humility and self-awareness.
On a side note, I judge wisdom traditions for not being clear and straightforward. If they were clear and straightforward, they wouldn’t be so easy to misinterpret.. says I.
“Through the lens of nonduality, everything is connected. So when we judge our neighbors, weāre also judging and revealing ourselves.”- Next time I judge another person, I will think: what does my judgment reveals about me?
“P.S. Iād also argue that the moment a thought arises and gets translated into language, weāre already judging, measuring, dividing, labeling. So again, youāre right: itās not possible not to judge. Thatās why itās so important to be conscious of what we think and say⦠and to keep training that puppy.”-
Thank you for the clarity= “it’s not possible not to judge”. I wonder how many people out there, reading non-duality literature, are trying very hard not to judge, then scolding themselves when they inevitably fail..?
š¤šæ Anita
anitaParticipantDear me:
Excellent post by Tee. What the celebrity said about her vulnerability, being guarded and protecting her heart (“That vulnerability is so scary⦠Iāve spent a lot of time being guarded or protecting my heart”) fits you very much, I think.
Let’s look at the last post you submitted last night: “Basically sheās like Ohhhhh yeahhhh!!! Come to Taiwan for a month!!!! And how sheās exploring new places and things but she feels lonely sometimes, which I said donāt feel lonely, Iām here if you want to talk with or travel with to Taiwan/here.”-
When she told you that she feels lonely sometimes, she was honest and vulnerable. When she went: “Ohhhhh yeahhhh!!! Come to Taiwan for a month!!!!”, she was so excited and hopeful to be together with you again!
How did you reply to her?
“I said donāt feel lonely,”- that’s the push. It’s cold. It sounds (to me) like you are telling her: You miss me/ you need me, but I don’t miss or need you.
Continued quote: “Iām here if you want to talk with or travel with to Taiwan/here.”- that’s the pull: I don’t miss you (the push), but I’ll talk to you anyway (the pull)
While you are trying to protect your heart, to avoid vulnerability.. you are hurting her feelings š, don’t you think, me?
Back to the quote by the celebrity: “and so, Iām letting go of that feeling and just being like, āOkay, if Iām supposed to get hurt, then this is whatās going to happen.ā I have to just allow loveā-
To let go of the fear of getting hurt and to allow love. š«¶šš¤² š
What do you think, me?
Anita
anitaParticipantI wish you could have taken some time off, just to see her. The little-big things in life, things that matter.
anitaParticipantI think you’re on the west side, 3 hours from Montreal? Why can’t you, or won’t you meet her at Montreal?
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“Youāre welcome, Anita, youāre definitely not alone. ā¤ļø There are a lot of similarities in how we were brought up, even though it was harder for you. But mine too is a decades-long battle, years and years of working on myself and gradually healing. And there are still blocks that Iām working on, although things are getting better..”-
Good thing, things are getting better for you š!
“Hehe, yes š Actually I wanted to put a smiley at the end of that sentence (āAnd of course, my answer is always: healing the inner child..ā). So no offense here at all, healing the inner child is my go-to answer for most big problems š”-
Yes it is! (I like our šs).
“Actually I didnāt think to talk to your inner child directly. I thought you would do that.. I just wanted to notice that it seems your inner child is still looking for validation from your mother (based on your post on Oct 10, 12:45pm). The little girl Anita believes she is bad and she wants her mother to love her and tell her she is not bad: “I hate being bad. I donāt want to be bad. Help me, help me be good. Sounded so true, 100% true.. Am I BAD.. Make HER say I am not bad. Make her say I am not..”-
“The little girl Anita is still looking for something (love and validation) from her mother ā which unfortunately she most likely wonāt receive. Her mother (your mother) doesnāt seem to be capable of that. I can imagine that looking for validation from your mother is what might be keeping you stuck in the feeling of ‘not good enough’, the feeling of worthlessness, ‘badness’.
“Youād need to release that longing and ‘radically accept’ that you cannot get it from your mother. That she just isnāt capable of giving it to you. And that it doesnāt make you a bad person, or a bad daughter. I wonder how this sounds to you?”-
Tears in my eyes right now, Tee. Little girl Anita is still Waiting (more tears in my eyes), Forever Waiting.
This very waiting has become- long ago- who I have become. The dream of her looking at me with loving eyes.. such an intense.. feels like an instinctual desire. It’s her desire, little Anita’s desire, to be loved by her mother *(throat hurts from controlled crying)
If only I could make her see me, hear me, feel me,
If only I could bridge this unbridgeable chasm, this BIGGEST distance between me and her.
(More tears in my eyes). Why can’t she see me, Tee? Why can’t she hear me?
“Well, you did apologize for what happened in the past and have opened yourself up to a different perspective. Thatās why we can now talk to each other ā¤ļø So itās not quite true that itās nothing youāve done. Youāve changed your attitude, youāve opened your heart and your mind ā and here weāre now. And Iām very happy about it ā¤ļø “-
Oh my God, Tee.. I am speechless. You’re happy about me opening my heart and mind, happy about where we’re now?
I would never, ever want to mess it up (more tears in my eyes and heavy rain outside, this Sun night).
If you ever want to connect in real-life, I am here.
Back to my mother, I am inviting my inner child to express herself.. Please talk to me inner child.. Tell me, what do you think about what Tee said (“Youād need to release that longing and ‘radically accept’ that you cannot get it from your mother. That she just isnāt capable of giving it to you.)”-
Inner child/ little girl Anita (whatever comes to mind): It makes me very sad. I mean, really S.A.D. No, I don’t want to accept such a thing! No!!!
I’m still waiting, I’m still fighting!!!
I love her SO MUCH! I WANT her to love me back!!!
Adult Anita: That ship has sailed. Let her go, that M is incapable, just like Tee said.
Little girl Anita: She can’t love me?
Adult Anita: No, she can’t. She has no heart for you.
Little girl Anita: No heart for me?
Adult Anita: No heart.
Little girl Anita: So.. broken heart..?
Adult Anita: Broken little girl Anita’s heart.
Little girl Anita: so.. it’s time to say goodbye to Ima (tears, increasing rain outside)
Adult Anita: Yes, time to say goodbye. Goodbye to everything Ima (mother) was supposed to be.
Little girl Anita: Goodbye to.. my biggest desire, my greatest passion (MAKE HER LOVE ME!!!)
Adult Anita: yes.. say goodbye.
Little girl Anita: NNNOOO!
Adult Anita: You are the most passionate, loyal little girl!
Little girl Anita: Who, what can I hold on to..?
Adult Anita: The Truth. Let her go.. Leave her be..
Little girl Anita: I KNOW she didn’t love me. I knew it all along. I can’t change it. I never could. I can’t- never could make her love me.
(to be continued, emotional, crying).
Anita
anitaParticipant“She’s still here”- I didn’t know. I thought she’s in Asia. So, she’s still in Canada?
“wants me to travel to her”- how far is she from you?
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Grateful for your message š š š
“Good to hear that, Anita! It means she didnāt manage to kill all the joy in you. There was still life in you, and it would bubble up sometimes, when you were alone, when she couldnāt see you or hear you. And perhaps that life was what motivated you to move across the world from your mother and seek happiness there? In a new, far-away place where her abuse cannot reach you?”-
Yes, it did. Problem was I kept going back to her, flying across the world to see her and be with her which killed my joy every time. So, going back to the U.S., eventually, was not joyful anymore.
Every visit with her was retraumatized me, and every return to the U.S. took longer and longer to recover from time until there was no recovery (many years of depression). My healing process started in 2011. Shortly after I started therapy back then I ended contact with her, no more visits.
“Yes, thatās tough. Whatās hard about it that she seemed to have been functional otherwise, i.e. she didnāt seem like someone with mental health issues on the outside, right? I mean, she could pretend in front of other people that she is a kind, caring person, and a kind, caring mother, right? (except for what the neighbors heard sometimesā¦). You said she was āsoft-spoken, niceā with your uncle, for example.”-
Yes, except that the neighbors heard and she exploded at other people too, not as often but still. One time she made such a scene in my elementary school, screaming at and threatening to hit a teacher.. in front of everyone. Everyone saw and heard. But no follow up.. I just followed the crazy woman back home.
So, the soft spoken, kind, wonderfully good person act was the norm but her BPD explosions were there, VERY explosive.
“And thatās I guess the narcissistic part: where the person can pretend to be certain way, which is socially acceptable. Where they can keep a certain public image, which is totally different than how they are in private.”- Yes.
“So it was only you (and I guess your sister) who knew how your mother actually is. I know youāve talked about your sister before, but I donāt remember if your mother treated you two differently? Was she equally harsh and abusive to your sister too?”- she hit her too, she shamed her too, but I remember so little of my sister at home. Unlike me, she was very social and was out and about with peers and their families. I was in the “home” (prison cell, really).
“Right. You knew you werenāt allowed to say anything that would be ‘unacceptable’ to her, which probably meant anything genuine about yourself. She had a mild expression on her face, but you knew how she is underneath⦠and so of course, you didnāt dare to be honest with your uncle.”- yes.
* I have to get ready and leave so I would like to read the rest of your message and continue this response later ā¤ļø
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Chau/ Clara:
Good to read back from you!
“Gradually I put in more and more, and I realized she started to take me for granted. A few weeks ago, I snapped and was very frustrated and upset”-
In this post I want to talk about the Snapping part. The anger problem. Not that anger in itself is a problem, but way too often it feels like too much and people .. well, people snap.
Interestingly, the topic of anger was in the title of your first ever thread on tiny buddha: “Break up after massive tantrums…” (May 31, 2016), and it was the topic of our first exchange on that same day.
Personally, I snapped at someone in real-life only a couple of weeks ago (I started a thread about it titled “A.N.G.E.R” on Oct 9 (it’s currently on the 2nd page of topics). Also, I expressed anger inappropriately here on the forums not too long ago, so I am working on my intense, inappropriate anger problem these very days.
Actually, long ago I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). I no longer fit the diagnosis, yet currently working on a couple of the core traits (#2 and 5 below).
* Core Traits of BPD (Copilot):
1. Intense fear of abandonment: This can lead to extreme efforts to avoid real or imagined rejectionāsometimes through people-pleasing, clinging, or sudden emotional shifts.
2. Unstable relationships: Individuals may idealize someone one moment and then devalue them the next, often in response to perceived slights or emotional threats.
3. Shifting self-image: Their sense of identity can change rapidly, leading to confusion about values, goals, or even personality traits.
4. Emotional volatility: Mood swings are commonāranging from intense joy to deep despair, often triggered by interpersonal stress.
5. Explosive anger: Inappropriate or intense anger is a hallmark symptom. It may emerge suddenly, especially when someone feels misunderstood, rejected, or emotionally unsafe
Back to the first day we talked, you wrote: “I was in a relationship for more than a year, things have been bumpy and I havenāt really felt right, occasionally I treated her with tantrum or sometime she thought I mistreated her or dismissed her, or possibly disrespected her… The massive tantrums (which did involve accusing her for the wrong doings, crying very hard and accused her for hurting me).. She said I digger things out and left her wounded. I began to get very confused since I feel I am wronged, yet I am accused of the emotions that came out from such wrongdoing… I did slap her when I knew she was still hiding some truth about the incident, while she said she had come clean. I regretted using any physical hurt and I didnāt apologize and promised never to happens again. It didnāt happens ever again.” (May 31, 2016).
Of course, I am not saying that you were not wronged back then when you were cheated on, nor am I saying that your current girlfriend is flawless. What I am saying is that working on your anger response can help you so much in future relationships, if not in this particular one.
If this resonates with you we can work together on this problem and help each other..?
š¤šæ Anita
anitaParticipant“and how lazy I am”- meaning.. ?
“Plus why would she wanna see me again? If you want fun times then sure.”- There’s more to you than just “fun times”. I know, because I’ve been talking with you for years. There’s a lot more to you than a performance for the pleasure of others.
There’s.. (take it from here, if you will)
anitaParticipant“I know we will never see each other again.”- why this certainty.. I don’t understand..?
October 18, 2025 at 8:55 pm in reply to: āHe initiated closeness, then disappeared ā still hurting months laterā #451053
anitaParticipantDear Adalie:
Two months and a week since you posted last. How exciting to read from you again!
“I feel like my partner is not for me and he isn’t going to change. It’s always going to be the same thing over and over”- is it time to leave him, the one you refer to as your partner, regardless of Jake, independent of Jake?
š¤ Anita
anitaParticipantMaybe she is confused. Maybe she is hurt. Maybe she hoped that you would give her a clear message?
anitaParticipantDear Going Through Life:
“Can I ask how do deal with loneliness, Iām personally not feeling good in my skin, Iām just seeking external validation.”-
Remember yourself as a boy? Were you a lonely boy?
I was (a lonely girl.. a very lonely girl)
Let the boy speak, let him tell his story, if he’s okay with it; if you (the adult) are okay with it.. only if it’s okay. I am suggesting this because the story of childhood tends to repeat in adulthood.
I will soon be away from the computer for the rest of the day, but hoping to read from you when I return (8-10 hours from now)
š¤šæ Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
“I like your honesty about your thoughts process while writing your previous post to me… Itās good that you notice those thoughts and feelings and can speak openly about them. And I can assure you I wonāt shame you, Anita. Thereās nothing to be ashamed of in you openly sharing how youāre feeling and what your fears might still be regarding our communication. I appreciate your honesty š«¶”-
Thank you š š š š«¶ š«¶ š«¶ š š š !!!
“Probably your hypervigilance stems from your mother, who you say would attack you for just about anything you said (or didnāt say), even for your facial expressions… So you werenāt allowed to express yourself, to simply be, be a child, expressing yourself, laughing, crying, playing, talking to your mother.. None of that was allowed”-
I lived in a prison, life put on hold for a later time when it’d be allowed. There were times though, I remember, I was an older teenager or in my early 20s, still living with her, that I exploded with laughter, genuine laughter, a long-awaiting joy.. never when with her alone. Moments of feeling positively alive. A breath of fresh air.
“because of your motherās severe mental health problems, it seems.”- yes, my analysis (and I am feeling confident about it), she suffered from- and inflicted suffering- from this combo of personality disorders: Narcissistic, Histrionic, Paranoid, Borderline and Obsessive- Compulsive.
“You were exposed to both physical and psychological abuse, and you had no one to help you, since your father left when you were six, while people from the neighborhood didnāt react (it wasnāt socially acceptable to āpoke oneās noseā in other peopleās child rearing). You had a good uncle (you said he asked you once something about yourself ā he was interesting in getting to know you), but I guess he didnāt know about the extent of the abuse that you were suffering?”-
Thank you for remembering all of this. The uncle, Uncle Morris, he lived hours away, so he couldn’t have heard her yelling at me, or beating me, and he was in no contact with the neighbors who did. With him, M was soft-spoken, nice.. But I clearly remember her sitting to his right when he asked me a question about me, looking at me threateningly, with that mild smile on her face. That’s why I didn’t answer him. I said something polite, but didn’t answer.
“Iām very sorry, Anita, for you truly where all alone in those horrible circumstances, left to your own devices to manage the best you can. To survive, basically.”- thank you, Tee.
“And you did survive, but or course, the trauma remained and itās still affecting you to some extent. (Just to say that my C-PTSD is still present too. I still have parts of my life where Iām lead by fear and am having a hard time making a breakthrough. So it can be a decades-long process, unfortunately.)”-
Thank you for sharing about parallels or similarities in your life, your process. It makes me feel like I am not alone.
“So the question is how to heal. And of course, my answer is always: healing the inner child..”- this made me smile just now. Of course.. Tee and Inner Child healing go together like peas and carrots š
(I just got scared that you’d be offended by this culinary saying.. it’s a saying I like to use).
“Youāve shared parts of your internal dialogue in your own thread (āA Personal Reckoningā), where you did the inner child exercise. Youāve shared what your inner child said, and also what some other parts said, including your adult self. I might have some remarks about that, but Iām not sure if I should comment on it, since you said you want only witnessing, not advice or analysis? So Iām refraining from that, unless youāre comfortable with me giving you feedback. Iāll respect that.”-
Thank you!
I trust you enough to invite you to talk to my inner child directly. I have never invited anyone to do that. I know you will be gentle with her (there are tears in my eyes as I am typing this). She can’t handle criticism.. she shouldn’t (that’s my job, the adult me, to hold myself accountable. Not her job).
No one outside of me ever spoke to her, or had a conversation with her. Please do talk to her.
“Itās okay, Anita. Iām happy that you could step back from your own pain and see a bigger picture. Iām happy youāre open to self-reflection and personal reckoning, as you said. I think youāre doing a great job in being brave and open with all of your feelings. I think it means youāre developing compassion for yourself, which is the key in healing. Itās really good to talk to you and share in your healing process ā¤ļø”-
Thank you for your grace, nothing that I (the adult) deserved, but something you offered anyway. This is the nobility of your character ā¤ļø.
I will soon be away from the computer for the rest od the day.. It’s strange how I can start a day outside when I am so drained from this.. vulnerability. It’s still scary: to be me.. and not be attacked for it? A scary miracle.
Gratefully yours, Anita
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