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February 1, 2019 at 6:32 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #278021JohnParticipant
Valora, you make sense. Lots of sense. I do think that if I was able to find someone that was a match for me, then my feelings would fade. As for her taxes, well she isn’t going to get as much as we had hoped. so back to square one…
This is all so confusing for me and so tormenting in some ways. We are creeping up on the anniversary of the day we met. 2/5/19. I can’t help but wonder if this is how my ex was feeling at this time when she left me? If she did love me but wasn’t “in love” with me like she should have been. If there were just too many issues that she did try to deal with and couldn’t anymore. But then I wonder if she was feeling this way and did reach out to another man before she left me. Even if it was just conversation. Just like I had done with my girlfriend.
I know I can’t think what if or question or assume things. Just telling you all what has been going through my mind. Including “why in the world would someone that clearly expressed they want nothing to do with me EVER. Why would the repeatedly come back?”
Just sucks sometimes. I did work on my daughters quad some and my friends car some last night and watched a show with my girlfriend before bed. She could tell i wasn’t myself though. I just kept telling her I was tired.
I don’t know how to do this or if/when I tell her that she needs to move on and it’s not working. I don’t even know where to begin that conversation or ???
If you haven’t noticed. I’m the type that would rather suffer than bring someone else hurt and pain.
Brandy, Yes i do know what motivates my ex. She loves being the one in control, the one to say yes or no, not the one lingering in the wind waiting for someone else. She does have an attitude and other things. What i meant by “I still get that good feeling when she would text me” is simple. No matter what she has done or will ever do. I love her. I love her deep in my heart in places I didn’t even know existed within myself. I can’t explain it. I don’t understand how someone could love someone that much. Especially after all that has happened and almost a year and a half later after she left me and clearly had no issues moving on with another man quickly. I don’t think a love like that ever goes away. and seeing her words on my phone… even if she was a bitch… I just can’t explain it. It puts a smile on my face.
I hate it. I hate that i ever gave myself to someone that way. I feel so defeated some days.
I have to get to work. thanks fro your replies.
JohnParticipantOkay, well update… We were able to do her taxes finally. with her projected return (not as much as we had thought) She should be able to pay off all credit bill except for one visa and her car. We did open up an account for her at a credit union and closed her other bank account. Our goal is to build her credit up and then she can refinance her car in 6 months for about $100 less per month with better rates and months.
I’m really trying to make it so she can survive on her own. Unfortunately, even if she did get this job we’ve been waiting on and got paid in the middle of the pay range available. I still down’ think she could afford and apartment and her daily expenses. I was really hoping that it would be better.
So for right now, I am just going to really try to focus on us and making things better. She is really cracking down on her children and we are putting rules in affect around the house for all the kids, including chores for them. Trying to make it a equal thing at our house.
Our 1 year anniversary of meeting each other is coming up next week. I should feel excited and thrilled. I just feel like it’s another day or week. It really makes me wonder if this is what my ex felt like. If she felt guilty and hurt for me because she knew how much I loved her and she didn’t feel that way in return. Life is a cruel bitch sometimes.
back to my girlfriend. We are going away for a night or two in a couple weeks. I’m hoping that helps.
I really think though, once she gets this job and we can get her on a good budget so she knows what kind of expendable income she will have every month then we can make plans or goals. then I will revisit my feelings and my girls feelings and how we are all doing. If it hasn’t changed, then I will have to have a talk with her. I’m not looking forward to that at all. But If things don’t change, I know I can’t live like this anymore. for me or my girls. I feel like such an asshole.
January 30, 2019 at 6:09 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #277727JohnParticipantThanks guys. I’m really trying here. it’s been all week now so far though. I want to contact her so freaking bad. I know i can’t. I know that if i do there is lots of consequences.
It’s so hard to explain these feelings I get. I feel like I would rather have some kind of contact, even knowing that she has no intentions, then none at all. I still get that good feeling when she would text me or play that stupid on line word game with me. It’s been eating me up this week and last. Hurts.
then i hurt because i feel like a POS to my girlfriend. Why can’t I feel like this with her? Why can’t I have that mind set of missing her all the time like i did my ex.
so much in my head right now. luckily this week i don’t have my girls so I can have a little bit of time to reflect.
I feel like i’ve put myself in such a bad situation now and I have no idea how to get out of it.
The only thing i can do is focus on work and my projects at home. Besides that… i don’t know.
DAMNIT! All I want is to get in my truck, drive to her town, and just look at her in the eyes, then just hold her. even if it was just for a second. I absolutly hate this feeling. this feeling of no control over my emotions.
I’m really trying to push past this episode. I did cry the other night again. Been a while since i have done that.
To make it all worse, next week is my 1 year anniversary of meeting my girlfriend. I feel like an ass because part of me feels like ” no big whoop” like it’s just another day. Where as with my ex, i knew it every month and especially at the year. I made it a big deal.
I got to get back to work. talk later.
January 28, 2019 at 12:14 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #277397JohnParticipantToday is a tough one. Don’t have much days like this anymore but damn. All I can think about is my ex. I really do miss her. I’m doing my best to be rational and what I should. Just really hard today. Days like today. I would do or give anything for another chance. I know that it’s not meant to be. Just missing her like this hurts. Give me the strength I need.
JohnParticipantThanks brandy. I think a big part of everything it is that her situation changed so much when she did move in. Before we lived together she had things figured out with her kids, daycare, work, ect…. then after she moved in so much in her work life changed and the fact we are 20 miles away from her parents which used to help out daily with her kids. It made me the sole person to help whenever. Became very hard for this guy. I know these are all things we should of thought of. But like you said we had bright hopes and dreams.
JohnParticipantMark, i am not. I am first trying to make it better. We had a rough start since she moved in and my daughter and I talked about giving it a month or two to see if things get better. I told her if not then we will figure things out. My daughter is number one.
Yes, we do have a plan. Still waiting on her w2 to come. After that we will know exactly her money and what we can do to get her back on her feet. Also waiting on her finding a better job. She is looking and applying ever day. She does feel horrible that i am supporting her and her kids.
Worst case, she could live with her mother or sister. I really want her to be in a good place financially first though.
I’m trying to do the right thing all around.
JohnParticipantI believe you are right in some ways. I’m really trying to give this a solid try. If i do decide she needs to be gone, I do want to wait a little bit so she can get back on her feet though. I know these were her decisions, however I did have influence in them as well. I just don’t feel right with myself making her leave when she is this position.
I have given this a lot of thought though. I really do think i would be happier on my own. I do need more time for me to figure out me. Especially since I do still think about my ex more than I should. I should be thinking about my girlfriend. Not my ex. And if she (my girlfriend) was meant for me, then i wouldn’t be able to stop thinking about her.
And my girlfriend will talk about life plans and things like that, I don’t get excited like I should. I’ve felt that before with someone else and I just don’t with her.
I just wished I would have waited to move her in. It felt like the right thing to do at the time and wanted to do it before the school year.
January 23, 2019 at 6:44 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #276385JohnParticipantThanks Valora. yes my ex has some growing to do. She is very confusing in things she says and does then contradicts herself…
It’s almost like she doesn’t know what she wants either…
So i did start a new thread about my life at home now with my girlfriend and kids.
“I feel like i ruined my girlfriends life”
feel free to look at that and comment.
thanks everyone. Still Struggling…. LOL
January 22, 2019 at 10:22 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #276163JohnParticipantwell, update….
So still have my ex blocked on everything. Unfortunately my girlfriend never blocked her on her social media and my ex unblocked my girlfriend and read a message she sent to her about leaving us alone. My ex has issues. I’m really seeing that now. It’s like she can’t stay away. I’m guessing she unblocked my girlfriend to see what’s happening in our lives and then that message came thru.
Anyways she responded to my girlfriend with this.
“I blocked him, he blocked me so go be paranoid with someone else and leave me out of your drama. The last thing you want to do is threaten me or ever contact me again. Trust me. You deserve each other.”
I thought that was funny, considering that I blocked her and she kept trying to get a hold of me.
Then my girlfriend responded with this.
“I saw your messages, so don’t act innocent”
Then my ex responded to my girlfriend with this.
“If you saw messages you would see there was no big secret! if you can’t trust his dumbass that on him. I’m out trust me- a long ass time ago. I will never speak to him again. He’s all yours. I strongly suggest you lose my number just as I told him.”
again… WTH? “I’m out trust me- a long ass time ago?” but yet she was the one that initiated contact after 3 months and then kept pursing when i stopped.
That woman is so confusing. The shittiest part of all is that I still f$#%ing have feelings for her. I hate that so much. In fact yesterday i couldn’t stop thinking about her. A big part of me wanted to contact her and apologize for my girlfriend contacting her and starting more shit. I didn’t though.
I’m doing a lot better today. Still though… what is wrong with her? If she was really done, then why not block both my and my girlfriend on every thing she can and never look back? Why can’t people just say what they really mean and do what they say they are going to do. I think my ex has told me or my girlfriend that she is “DONE” and there will never be contact again at least a half dozen times.
Well I’m going to go for now. I will start a new thread soon about my other problems at home. one thing is my 12 year old told me recently she is unhappy with our living situation. GREAT! So we are working through it. I really wish my girlfriend had a good job and the resources to move out. We could still try seeing each other, and see how that goes, but right now we are all stuck together and I am afraid things are just going to get worse.
January 8, 2019 at 3:06 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #273243JohnParticipantwell, i’m back…. Got an update, and I have to say i feel ashamed of myself…
So, I should of blocked my ex and told her I can’t do this on and off “friends” thing. Especially since i’m trying to make a life with my girlfriend but I didn’t. I entertained her. Her and i would randomly message or kept playing that word game over the last couple weeks.
Well let me back things up a bit. In the meantime, in my normal life. My girlfriend quit her job that had the crazy hours on December 18th. She started working a part time waitress job on the 27th and has been doing that. That job will not pay her expenses, but we are working on that together and she did have an interview for a different full time job that should be able to. Hopefully something will happen there.
We went on our weekend trip together on the 21st. It was fun, however we did get into another big fight on the first night towards the end of the night. I don’t understand why we fight so much? I don’t know if it’s something that I try to trigger subconsciously. Like if I really don’t want to be with her and I am trying to get her to have “enough”? or what? But dang, it seems like we still fight over stupid shit every day. Even last night we went grocery shopping together. This was the first time we really did this. I got irritated at all the garbage shit food she was wanting to get for the kids for snacks and herself. She is on food stamps now so the cost isn’t anything, in fact we will probably have leftover food money by next month. It’s just, I’m so used to only getting healthy things to eat. More protein, less empty carbs and crap. That irritated me, but when i brought it up she said that my way isn’t always the right way. UGH, off on a tangent here… I know i really need to start a new thread with these issues. I will soon. Back to my other crap…
So besides that fight, we had a pretty good weekend. Coming home back to reality sucked. I thought it was a good weekend and we needed it. However, it did really make me miss being able to do that kind of thing more often. I really didn’t miss my Ex. I did have a couple memories, but nothing like before. I just miss that life.
So back to current time…
been messaging off and on, nothing “romantic” or anything. Just “friends” stuff to my ex. Playing that word game. entertaining her, trying to see her motivation in contacting me after she said she want’s nothing to do with me… AGAIN..
Well New Years Eve rolls around….
We go to my friends house, watch the football game, then go over to my other friends from there. We were smart and have arranged a designated driver so we can both drink and ring in the new year together. Our first new years eve! Well I really don’t know what happened. I don’t know if i didn’t eat right or if it was cause of my diabetes, but the alcohol HIT hard! I didn’t even drink that much. I’ve drank more than this before in less time. I was fine, then i was done. It was like I was hit by a train. I blacked out and that was it. I woke up the next morning on my couch.
Come to find out when we got home, I called my girlfriend my ex’s name a couple times and I guess I was crying for her a little bit. So that triggered some shit in my girlfriend. She got mad and lost her shit. She threw a bunch of shit in our bedroom, and then threw my phone… twice! She made sure it was broken good. Then after all of that she felt bad and called my work phone to find it. When she found it, i had a notification from that freaking word game I was playing with my ex! and of course her user name includes her first name. So that compounded things.
OH, forgot to tell you the kids were at a friends that night so they were not subjected to this. Thank god!
So back to my soap opera…
She flipped out on me. I don’t blame her. I told her that i was confused(which I was) I said for someone that was DONE with me and told Kristy that I was the one constantly bothering her, someone that said she wishes us happiness and have a good life… Why would she contact me? I was intrigued and then once we started messaging, it was just curiosity. Which is all true. I know I should of left it all alone and just ignored it. But dang! Why would someone do this? I couldn’t stay away.
Well my girlfriend said she doesn’t forgive me, but still believes that we will prevail over this. So the last time i contacted my ex was the early day on new years eve. I left that phone at home that night. She did message me that early evening asking what i was doing, then after i didn’t respond for a couple hours, she messaged again ” what, are you ignoring me now?!” Then later that night she sent something in the chat room of that game. I never answered anything. some of the last messages in the chat room in that game was ” i guess we can’t be friends?” and then a day later she started a new game and said “hello” with a wave. I haven’t responded to anything. I deleted the game app off of my phone and blocked her on FB and on my phones. I have to say, this was very hard to do. I feel like she was actually feeling some remorse for how everything happened. in one of the last messaged she did send me she told me she was sorry for ever hurting me. just out of the blue. I know it wouldn’t ever do any good, but what i would give to be able to just sit with her and talk face to face about everything. to be done. To be able to forgive her and myself. It’s just baffling to me. all of it.
It is something how this time, i just stopped talking to her and she is the one that kept messaging me, trying to get something out of me. Crazy.
One other development… My girlfriend found out she was friends on FB with one of my ex’s boyfriends friends. My girlfriend got a hold of my ex’s boyfriends close friend/brother (she tried to message my ex’s boyfriend, but she is blocked-go figure. ) And told him what has been going on. My ex’s boyfriends friend was very surprised to hear that my ex and I have been in contact and sounded like he was going to say something to him. My girlfriend even took pics of our chat room and sent it to him for proof. But then he backed out at the last minute. He didn’t want drama with him and his friend.
Through that though, we found out that they have been together for over a year, and that she had moved into his house a while ago. No real details, just that she is renting it from him while he is working out of state. Who knows what that means, if all his shit is still there and she is just helping out with cost and living with him, or if she is renting his house from him? Who knows. doesn’t matter. What matters is all the grief she gave me about my girlfriend moving in with me in September, yet she was already living in his house! Makes sense whenever I asked her if she sold her house or where she is going to live when she does she would just ignore the question. And sometimes get irritated.
Why are women so crazy? Why did she make me so crazy?
So long story short here. She is blocked all around. It kills me because I do want to talk to her more. I really think if I kept it light and friendly with her, she would tell me more eventually about what really happened. But that is not an option. Not with my girlfriend.
So to continue more drama. My girlfriend snooped in my work phone. She looked back several months. I forgot to delete something I had in there. Something about that woman i saw once or twice. The diva chick… OMG. So that was more trouble for me now with my girlfriend.
I was caught in more secret shit i have in my past… But yet still, she wants to push through and work through all of this. She feels like we are meant to be together and we are just being tested. I honestly don’t know what to think. I know I love her. I don’t know if i’m in love with her or if I was, but all the kid/work/money drama killed that and now I just feel responsible for her and her kids?
I defiantly feel like a POS! Makes me wonder though, if i do this on purpose trying to get my girlfriend to have enough and leave? I really don’t know what my deal is.
She told me that regardless of what happens, if we don’t work out, she is not going anywhere until she is back on her feet. So this is awkward kind of. Basically if things don’t get better for us, then She will share a room with her son and I will take over her sons room until she can move out on her own.
Right now we are still trying to make it together though. I have to give it a shot. I owe us that much. Now that she is working days and is home at night, we will see if things get better. If they don’t then we will have to figure out something. For now though we will push through.
I do have a plan though for either circumstance. She should get a decent tax return, so we are going to use that to pay off most or all of her credit bills except her car. She is currently refinancing her car and we are trying to get her cell phone payment lower. My goal is for her to only have her car payment, car insurance, and cell phone bill to worry about after taxes are all done. Hopefully she will be working at the new job full time and better wage by then. Then if is does not work, she can save money and find a place to live and if it does work, we can focus on my debt and financial crap. If we decide to stay together, then after she is good, we are going to focus on my debt to try to free up extra money. Money has always been a big stress to me. I think that was another thing i really liked about “before”. We shared costs on things. She spoiled me and i spoiled her. It was a two way street. With my girlfriend. I fell like i’ve been the one helping her this entire time.
I’m trying to plan for both scenarios. So we will see….
All of this being said. I really don’t know what’s going on with me…. If i purposely didn’t delete things, or left my notifications on so i would get caught in hopes that she would leave, or if i did it for attention? I have no Idea. i am only sure of a couple things.
1. I do love my girlfriend, i just don’t know if I love her the way I should or if i’m clouded because of my past or her kids or money?
2. I am not missing my ex like i was and this recent communication with her helped me, the fact that she is bitter, but yet done the same thing. However, I do love her still. I don’t know how to stop that feeling. I love her more than my current girlfriend and that kills me. I wish I didn’t.
3. I need to make myself happy. If that means getting my girlfriend on her feet so if we don’t work out, then she can leave then that’s what it is.
4. I am very confused about my ex and her intentions. Maybe she does miss me just as a friend or maybe more? Or maybe she still has guilt and is trying to fix that in her own way? Who knows. I really wish she would talk to me straight out and answer my questions i do have, but she won’t. I don’t know if it’s because of guilt or what. Questions like that i will never have an answer for. I am trying to be able to accept that.
5. What is meant to be will be. Just like you’ve all said. If we are meant to be together, then someday it will happen. Right now I need to focus on what I have and make the best of it. I do feel like every day is a struggle though. I am trying to make the best of it.
December 19, 2018 at 6:09 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #269955JohnParticipantI agree completely with you Valora. I really think my ex contacting me, really has helped me see more of who she is and her problems.
If she really wanted me to be happy, then she would be happy for me. Not show so much aggression and bitterness.
December 18, 2018 at 4:55 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #269907JohnParticipantThanks. it’s very hard not to fall into that hole again. She is so jealous of my girlfriend. Yet she was the one that told me to move on, she was the one the left me. She was the one that started dating again only a month after she had left me because she couldn’t be in a relationship. It’s like she has issues with someone else making her ex happy. Even though she told me several times i needed to find someone that can give me what i need and deserve. and how much that she has moved on and is with someone else and I need to do the same. But yet when i have she despises her. She even referred to her as a bitch. I don’t get it. If she has such a problem, then why did she ever leave me in the first place and tell me to start a new chapter in my life and find someone?? Like i said, i think she has to be in total control? And for her not to be with us, is what drove her away.
I must say, i still do love her though. Crazy how the mind and heart thinks differently. I am being good though. Still going to stick to my plan. Tonight is my girlfriends last night on that shitty job, she will have a week off, then start a part time with better hours. I will stick it out with her for awhile to see if i do feel better about us once her schedule is better. If not, then i will have no choice but to move on from her. One thing i have learned is that I can’t keep putting on a fake smile hoping things will get better. Either i will be completly happy most all the time, or i will be miserable and build up more and more resentment. If things don’t get better with us, i do want them to end a lot differently then with my ex.
December 17, 2018 at 3:00 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #269729JohnParticipantHad a good weekend. Surprised the crap out of my girlfriend. This weekend is our trip. Can’t wait for that.
However…. My ex must have intuition of when things are getting better for me. We used to play a word game online with each other. She sent me a request to start one with me saturday night out of the blue. You can chat privately in that game, she also wanted to chat…
I am ashamed to say I wasn’t strong. I should of just ignored it and left it alone. I didn’t. We messaged back and forth a little bit. About my girlfriend contacting her a few months ago. her life and mine in general. she apologized for hurting me. She said she “I’m alone”. I asked about her boyfriend. she said he is still there, just working out of state for another year.
She mentioned something about me doing exactly what her ex-husband did and how much that hurt. I’m thinking she means finding a new girlfriend and then moving her in. I did finally get to express to her how much I was hurt by the fact that i felt like i wasn’t important enough for her to try to remedy things before it was too late. And the fact that she left me. It felt good to say that.
there was more said, In the end of it all the last text she sent me said “I think of you often and you gave me my laugh back and I will always be grateful for that.” Wow! really? How dare her say that she thinks of me often. She knows how I feel and that would fuck with my head!
Some of the things she said really rang clear for me who she is. One of the things she told me before of why it didn’t work is that she said that I was a control freak and she liked to wing it. I realized that yes, i do like to plan and make plans. I do also like to be spontaneous, but i loved planning events and time together. I think though that she is really a control person. She has to have control of the situation whatever it is. That’s why it felt like everything was always on her watch or her convenience. She is an independent woman and when it became a codependent thing or having me run things or share a little bit. It was hard for her to deal with.
Just like now. I stopped talking to her all together. NOTHING. after 3 months, she looked me up again… After she blocked me and told me she was done and can’t be friends. After my girlfriend messaged her three months ago and made it clear to leave us alone and she responded to her that she wants nothing but happiness for us… I don’t think she can handle the fact that i am happy without her. That’s why she looked me up. She also said my girlfriend looks like my ex-wife! WTH? I think she was jealous of my friendship i have with her also. She is a very jealous person. When I was with her, she talked about her ex-husband and his girlfriend and how much she hated her…
She shed a lot of light on her. I feel like if she truly did want me to be happy and was done and didn’t want to have some kind of control of influence in my life, then she would of never contacted me again. I think by unblocking me she wanted to look at my profile and see what i was up to.
It would be nice to know that she was doing this because she did really care for me, love me, miss me, and want to try again. However I think it’s because she can’t handle the idea of someone else making me happy. Just like she had a hard time with her ex being happy without her and with someone else.
I have to say though, she does know how to tug at my heart strings. It is very hard not to want to keep a line open to her. I know that I can’t though. I have to let this lie. It’s everything I can do to not want to though. But the fact that she is so conflicting in things she says. Like “I’m alone”, but yet she has a boyfriend. Having him, no matter how far away means you are not alone, especially if you really are “in love”. When i was with her, we were apart a majority of the time. I did feel alone, but I wasn’t alone, she was right there on the other side of the phone whenever i needed. It makes me wonder if that is just a superficial relationship? If she is just with him because of whatever reasons besides really being in love with him? It doesn’t matter though. What matters is what you all have taught me here. If that is ever meant to be with her, then we both have to learn and grow on our own and it will happen when its right. I can’t assume anything she says any kind of meaning. And I think the biggest thing for me is to not dive back in and be tempted by her. Getting all gushy mushy and needy again. I need to keep my distance and be strong. Love what i do have with my girlfriend now. And grow with that. With someone that loves me for me and all my flaws and is willing to work with me on any issues I may have. Not feel like i’m on eggshells because i’m doing something that she thinks I shouldn’t. or not to her expectations.
It is amazing to me though that she contacted me again. really it’s kind of irritating. If she want me to be happy then why can’t she leave me alone?
I’m sorry to keep posting on this thread. I was done with it until she contacted me…
December 13, 2018 at 1:37 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #269171JohnParticipantYes, that’s what i think. Just odd to me that she called. Mrs. text message actually picked up her phone?? She probably wanted to chew my ass over the phone. Oh well, it was 3 months ago.
I am focusing on my girlfriend this week. Her best friend is flying in from California tonight for the weekend(she has no idea), then surprise birthday party for her on saturday. again no idea, then next weekend is our first get away together. (again, no clue). I’m very excited. I love doing this kind of shit…
December 12, 2018 at 1:15 pm in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #269091JohnParticipantI didn’t plan on posting on here anymore. but…
I was deleting voicemails on my phone and saw that I had one from 9/15/18 from my ex. I had blocked her number by then because of everything that had went down between my girlfriend finding out I was talking to her and all that.
I had to listen to it. All she said was that she would appreciate a call back. She hasn’t called me once since we started talking again. everything all through messages. I’m guessing she wanted to tell me off about everything I had done and warn me to stay away? but then again why would she unblock her FB? If you don’t want someone in your life, why not leave them blocked in all ways so they can never contact you again? Yet more questions for my mind. great 🙁 I’m pretty sure though that that was it, cause it was right around the time that my girlfriend contacted her. I will never know. just needed to get it off my chest. Damn.
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