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The problem with depression (from my experience) is that it stops you from really feeling much of anything, that’s the real issue, you hide within the mental walls and the heart recedes deep inside.
Video games for him are probably like a lifeline; the only place where some needs are being met, like the need for friends, teamwork, support, a challenging environment, feeling of achievement (even if it’s virtual), praise, keeps you mentally active and provides many rewards etc…
Video games are great! If one was to just take all of that away, what would one replace it with?
I doubt he just suddenly turned to games either, what was his life like before? Did he have trouble at school? Lack of friendship? Lack of support?
The current situation is definitely not your fault; you can’t force somebody else’s problems to go away, you can’t provide him with friends and achievements, these things he has to do himself. Games just happen to currently be the easier route.
On the bright side games do keep you active, keeps the brain active, in my opinion it’s a much better alternative to alcohol and / or drug abuse and the like. Games also teach and even help fix a broken heart, they have stories and adventure. Just as you could turn to a good book when you feel down.
My point is that the games are not the issue, in fact they may be the only thing keeping your son sane and active. Those are not things you can force away, nor should you. My suggestion would be to introduce things beside the games, another interest that helps build self-esteem, returns compassion to the heart, perhaps a sense of achievement or helpfulness. It could be volunteering, helping people with computers perhaps, maybe even just a camping trip or somewhere where there is an easy opportunity to build connection with other people. I would think that the one thing life has over games is the connection with other people, virtual hasn’t quite gotten to the point where you can feel a hug or look into somebody’s eyes and talk, to feel a sense of belonging within a group and I think that in that you can rebuild the sense of “feeling” again and start coming back from the depressive state and not need games as much.
It’s still a great hobby, to be honest, the problem is when the hobby becomes all that you feel you have.
One last thought is that parents tend to be very authoritative, which is fine up until the point where your kids are grown up enough that they need a friend and compassion, the same as everybody else, not an authority figure. I would start with a hug rather than strong words. =]
PS: Talk about his feelings, talk about finding friends, cry and laugh, don’t talk about work or a piece of paper from school, those things aren’t the issue, life is the issue, feelings, emotions, building self-esteem, building compassion, being human.
memmParticipantHey Suma, I think you should think more about your current point of view; it’s not a good one in my experience. I know because I had it and no matter how good you think you are at being solitary eventually it’ll build up until you feel like you have to do something terribly drastic.
Thinking that you are better off alone is just disconnecting yourself from other people, even the people you potentially click with, but you won’t give them a chance, it’s something you might not even be noticing. It builds bad ideas in your head, sometimes subconsciously, like arrogance. There’s also more to friendship than common interests, don’t cut yourself off, just be open with other people and I’m sure eventually you’ll find ones that you “click” with.
Trust me; thinking you’re better off alone might seem like a great idea at the beginning but it can quite honestly destroy you in the long run.
Look around more, there are way too many people to think than none of them could be your friends, you might have to open up to more possibilities.
memmParticipantObviously the medical profession can be very stressful, it does not seem particularly out of character to crash under such circumstances. If I recall one of the videos here contained a discussion on mental health issues in the medical occupation under high stress, you might find some of the resources here interesting as they are all quite scientific
http://www.mindandlife.org/dialogues/past-conferences/
And you’re right, you’re not alone. If it wasn’t this it would be something else down the line, eventually everybody faces some painful things no matter what your social status is. Just how painful depends a lot on your outlook in life and how well you’ve trained your mind. I think as a doctor and triathlete you might relate to this. Just like you train your body you also need to train your mind, for most this only occurs to them after something horrible happens, just like you never go to the doctor until something really goes wrong. After that you become more careful and start looking after yourself.
So perhaps consider that you might have been concentrating on a lot of things, from your physical body to your achievements and intellect but not enough on the emotional state and mental fortitude. Then something like this came along and suddenly BAM you need a doctor!
Take this as a lesson; that you’re not so different from anybody else, that you can connect with other people easier after understanding this, that you also need to take care of your point of view and mentality. Consider taking up meditation, think of it as a tool for exercising, maintaining and strengthening the emotional state.
I think you can use this to better yourself, to connect with other people more closely than before and to learn more about yourself. This way of thinking is probably something you of all people could appreciate and utilise.
memmParticipantI actually think life can just about always be interesting if you keep an open mind, like I said sometimes it just takes some out of the box thinking, but it can be done.
It’s also great that you’re taking steps to go for the things you enjoy doing, that’s honestly really awesome.
There’s absolutely no reason to feel inferior either, those people are doing their own thing and you’re doing your own, that’s all there is to it. Just be your own person. Try thinking less about how little interest your current situation holds and more about how you can use that time / space to your advantage instead, I’m sure you can find something good if you put your mind to it.
memmParticipantUsually the simplest answer is the correct one; some people treat marriage as a big deal and some don’t. I feel that’s all there is to it.
Obviously a lot of women are brought up with thoughts of marriage, the marketing for it is everywhere, eventually like with most things you internalise it and decide to make it your own. So now marriage is important to you too! But it all started somewhere.
It’s quite possible marriage really hasn’t crossed his mind, maybe he doesn’t think about it the same way you do, not necessarily doesn’t see it with you. Only way to find out is to ask what he thinks about it and keep an open mind.
Then you go from there and decide if it’s so important to you that you want to find somebody else who it’s important to as well, among other factors. It can be painful when we realise some of our core values don’t quite line up with the person we otherwise like but if we were all the same it wouldn’t be very interesting either.
memmParticipantIt all really come down to your point of view; for example it’s too easy to say that the lectures don’t interest you “at all”, perhaps there’s at least some part of it that is interesting? Otherwise you can just go there to socialise, or to sketch the lecturer’s annoying face and practice your drawing skills.
Situations are whatever we make of them, good and bad. Nothing is ever going to be so perfect that you’re going to be constantly interested / entertained, you have to find those things yourself and sometimes you have to get creative while looking.
memmParticipantYeah I’m not into drinking either, I’m not sure where this middle of nowhere of yours is but there are always people around that you can share things in common with. Also the people that you don’t have things in common with can sometimes be a lot more interesting. You don’t really need to be into drinking, I don’t feel anybody really cares about what you’re drinking while you chat with them. It also helps to look past “similar interests” and try to go more towards similar personalities, values etc… the basic core of the human being, cause I don’t think that really ever changes, while interests and other things are just on the surface. So when I say “like you” I mean a similar core, not just what you see on the surface, which means being a little more open minded, trusting your instincts and taking some chances.
The only downside to really sticking to principles and standards is that it’s easy to fall into the trap of being or coming across as arrogant, people hate that, it’s something to watch out for. So if anybody does for example make a comment about your lack of alcohol consumption just let them know you’re fine with alcohol in general you just don’t feel like it and I doubt anybody would pursue it any further.
And finally, when you think you finally have something amazing it’s easy to misjudge or look past faults, to the point where we really start blinding ourselves. It’s not always this way but it does happen and we have to look at things objectively from time to time or even specifically look for faults just to remind ourselves that nothing and nobody is perfect, that way we can make the best decisions.
It’s also obvious this girl has her own problems, unfortunately every one of us has to deal with our internal issues internally. You can only control yourself, not what other people do and in your case I think leaving the whole matter and concentrating on your own issues rather than hers would be a lot better. You did all you could now it’s time for her to deal with her own problems, in her own time. That doesn’t mean you give up your happiness, if you’re not happy you won’t make anyone else happy either.
memmParticipantI’m 25 and never had a relationship so I know how you feel, your story almost sounds like something I could go through if I’m not careful.
But I am careful, I have standards and you do too, you shouldn’t forget them.
What happened in your life was tough, sure enough, but regardless what you need to work on is your own self-respect and you need to be able to see that in other people and avoid the ones that don’t have it.
You shouldn’t need to A) shower somebody with gifts to get their attention B) do everything for them while getting nothing in return C) allow yourself to be used just because you want something, no matter how badly. I know some part of you already knows all this, don’t be gullible because a girl “finally” took an “interest” in you. Do you really want a girl that takes everything from you just to return a little compassion? Face it, she’s not your type and you should have told her that the moment you thought something was off, trust your instincts.
You also need to realise there are a lot of nice people around, this girl and whomever she hangs out with are obviously NOT THOSE PEOPLE.
I think the problem is that after your bad social experiences, which I can relate to wholeheartedly, you just really badly wanted to be like the people that, let’s be frank; screwed you over. Have what they have, hang out with the people they hang out with, the girls they like. That’s not the right way to go about this, there are so many other types of people in the world.
I was lucky enough to have found a decent bunch of them and that really helped me pick myself up off the ground and I strongly suggest you go looking for the type of people YOU would want to hang around with, the same kind of nice, kind and easy going as yourself. The same kind of girls as well, the ones that have more going on, that are more emotionally mature, the ones that wouldn’t take advantage of somebody.
If you tell a girl that you like her and she ends the friendship there was hardly any friendship there to begin with, start with finding better people to be friends with and grow yourself as a person, figure out exactly what you will and will not tolerate from other people and stick to your principles.
You are already a fine human being, you know what pain really is which makes you a lot kinda and gentler than most, don’t sell yourself short and don’t bother with people who’s heart is a tiny black spot, in the end they’re only hurting themselves by lacking compassion.
Go find good people and the goodness within them and grow yourself as the person you are, not somebody else.
memmParticipantI thought the whole point of a lot of the meetup groups was to find other people to hang out with, have you tried asking some of them if they want to go to an event with you?
I’ve felt terrible before about not having friends but never embarrassed, almost everyone is lonely sometimes or will probably feel it some time in their life. Just aim for the people that are genuine and you’ll be fine.
memmParticipantNever had one. Hurts because I just turned 25.
memmParticipantThat makes sense coming from a breakup but I want, need, something more than friendship at this point. I guess it’s just something I want to experience so that I know it’s possible. You know that feeling you got when you first rode a bicycle, like you realised you could do something you haven’t done before and even now if you haven’t ridden for years, you know you can do it again. Even after a breakup you probably know deep inside you can do it again, cause it wasn’t all bad.
Well, I just want that first ride to happen, to know what it’s like, to know I’m not somehow limited or strange. One success, even just one, and you know rejection isn’t all there is.
memmParticipantLast couple of days I really wanted somebody special to talk to and it’s really hard knowing I don’t have anybody that I’m close to in that way. But it’s either believe I’ll find somebody one of these days or break down.
Putting on a fake smile and going with option (A).
memmParticipantI honestly don’t know if words are enough for a situation as difficult as yours but I know one thing for sure and that you are a very strong, loving person who is only 22!
Life can be very difficult and you are definitely on a difficult road but we can only go forward not backwards, you still have a future ahead of you, you still have many, many opportunities for love and friends and all the other things you like.
One of the things we have in common is that none of us can change our past, letting go of it is harder for some of us but the reality is that the now and the future is what we really have. No matter how difficult it is, it’s a shame to throw away what we can have because of what we can’t change.
Keep traveling!
memmParticipantGo back to being the guy that I was originally before life tried to run me over with a metaphorical bus and find a girl that likes me back.
Yeah, I’m easy to please. =P
Good luck everyone.
memmParticipantBut you don’t really get to know them! I guess it comes down to what you think are the chances of finding a nice guy, 1 in a 10? 100? 1000? 1,000,000? 1,000,000,000?
Do you want a human or are you shopping for the perfect man-object. =P
Let’s just say you go online and start running calculations, maybe after a while you’ll find exactly what you want, it’ll be the perfectly calculated man. Nothing less and…. nothing more.
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