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  • in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #108044
    Nan
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    Dear Anita,
    Your examples are so clear! As someone who used to own horses, we would place them on the “HotWalker”. The HotWalker was a circular spoke large horizontal ring on a pole that moved like a bicycle wheel on its side. You would hook up your horse or two up to, and it would walk the horse in a circle, to cool down, after a race or workout. They walked around and around, and dug a rut (path) as they walked around and around on this walking wheel. The rut would get deeper and deeper and have to be filled in occasionally. I am digging my rut in the circle I am in. Smile- No power to run away since I am hooked up to the HotWalker. Time to rear up and break free! HI ho Silver, and Away! You make me smile, Anita! Have a good evening! (Francesca would know what I am speaking of, she was on a farm)…..

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #108013
    Nan
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    Hi Anita,
    I think it is my delusion to “control” what I can. Am not one to feel comfortable unless I have some control in situations. It is part of my “BossyPants” attitude that has given me successes in my work life and some semblance of control at home. My control at home is the bill paying, the control of doing things he doesn’t know how to do, and keeping my secrets. Nan is the one making the plans. Nan hopes that the sheer excitement of being “free” to live my next life, will not be muddied up with the guilts of stepping on so many lives that have depended on me. I left as a child-woman 40 years ago, with just the clothes in my closet and nothing else, living with mother. So, had no pressures of “stuff” to worry about, job to worry about, where to live worries.
    Life is complicated 40 years later. Cant just cut and run like I did before. In handling the worries of how they will react, gives me sense of control to not be “surprised” for the reactions. My “What If” factor bubbling up again!
    Nan,,,,she ran….when she can…….(smile)

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #108010
    Nan
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    Hi Anita, ( unseen but well-thought of friend!)
    What an exciting thought! F- it, the jig is up. No more pretending. He is so clueless, and he is unaware of my thoughts and feelings.
    He has 2 weekdays off, and no weekends. I am off weekends. SO, we never really get much calm face time with each other. Not that communication occurs, because he gets very reactive and voices get raised. Son and him sit on couch and watch sports and jabber about that all day long. I have little interest in sports, and know only some cursory knowledge of the different sports they are interested in. Hate the ESPN on the tube all day long.

    I am unafraid of him ” killing” me, but the sad eyes, moping, the grabbing me to hug me and make me stay, are the drama I wish to not have. I do know the day will come, and I will just get fed up with it. I think I am waiting for an angry moment, to energize me and fuel my fire. The issue is that there are few angry moments. Its just day to day living of cooking, washing dishes, working in my home office and computer, feeding the dog, sitting on the couch watching TV. The physical part has been reduced to once every 10 days or so, in a quick in-the dark_ grab at bedtime, since son is down the hall over the summer.

    I have been a master of “compartmentalization”, the ability to take feelings/thoughts, box them up temporarily and place on the shelf and move on. I do know the refusal of intimacy will cause the door to open and the S— storm to begin.
    There would be no vacation, as R-2 wont be able to control his grief and anger. Also, on a cruise, it is a 10 x 20 cabin, so it could get dangerous, especially fueled with alcohol on his part. I an concerned that the son feeling responsible for his dad, will mean he might shelve the senior year of college and stay home to take care of R-2 and support him emotionally. With his high grades and successes, he would literally being throwing away his future. I know he could do it anyway, but feel better if he doesn’t witness this firsthand and become emotionally distraught at the time. Being away at school may mean R-2 would calm down in a few days and not react to sobbing and crying with his son.

    It feels really awful to say, but the taking of his own life (R-2), really doesn’t bother me. If that should happen, I feel no guilt after the life I have given him. I thought last night of how he depends on me for everything, the evolution of the Parent-child relationship that has occurred over the decades. Once the big blow occurs, the biggest problem I see, is getting him to leave the house and start his own life. He has NEVER even learned how to run a washing machine and wash clothes or iron. He has gone from mothers house to roommate who did his housework, to me since the 70’s. As a 64 year old man, this will give him a stroke for sure. I feel like I don’t fear the Big Blow, I fear the “So, Whats next?”. I am unable legally to throw him out since married, and would have to resort to a restraining order. (oh my, shades of the first marriage and Mama’s solution to keep R-1 from me, though a lie and illegal, since I never signed or knew of it). How can I lie with a straight face and say I feel physically threatened?
    I may be able to, if I leave the premises. I would go to a hotel, await the grief-stricken and then angry calls, and then feel more righteous in getting a restraining order to get him out and me back in solo. That seems the only way to handle this, and for me to gain control of myself for the drama that will be between us. And there will be drama, as his Mom/ buddy support will be over.

    Anita, thank you for your thoughts on this. Soon, very soon, I will be Xena, Princess Warrior, and cut all this crap and move on down the road. Your words will be in my head as I proceed! Me first….. what a novel idea…..

    in reply to: Desparate Relationship Situaion, please help! #107958
    Nan
    Participant

    HiSOLAN88,
    Anita is absolutely correct. He is playing a very manipulative evil game with you, with the purpose of keeping you in his clutches. Save yourself! Please, for the sake of you and your child.

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #107859
    Nan
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    One month gone by now. I am still here. Have saved a lot of money towards my escape plan. The challenge is that each day gets harder and harder to stay. I wanted to stay until my son went back to college in late August. I wanted to stay through the family vacation that will occur the first week of August. It was only to not “ruin and disrupt” the summer for the son home, and to not ruin and disrupt the last vacation as a family. R-2 still clueless and sometimes makes bitchy comments that I don’t like, but smile inside with what I know.
    I am getting along very well with son, while he is home. Sometimes we both “roll our eyes” at some of the mindless comments R-2 makes. I have come to the conclusion that I must leave and be on my own for myself. No jumping into another man’s arms to be saved. Nope, I have a good job and a stash of cash. BUT it is getting so hard to wait to make sure everyone else is taken care of, before I leap. It feels like I am trying to control the “hate” level that will be spewed my way, when this occurs.
    Another complication is that another good friends couple is now going on the vacation with us. Certainly dont need lots more witnesses to the meltdown. Also, no refunds on the fully paid cruises at this time. Thinking to make things smoother,(just a fraction) for after vacation, and also son going back to the dorms.
    R-1 remains patient, understanding and supportive. One of his sons has left for a foreign country, and the other will just stay in the same marital home with the mother, I suppose. R-1 will be moving out on July 1 to his own place. We speak daily, and he seems to be stronger and less guilt-ridden on his home front and so still in love with me, with his cards, letters and phone calls. I do have a PO Box, as well as a second phone, in order to have secure communications. I think I feel like I am treading water. Some days, I feel like I am going under(like today), and feel sad and overwhelmed,waiting, waiting. Just wanted to vent today. I have requested R-1 not to see me over the summer, so I dont have to find another excuse for a few days out of town. Just no mindset to do that for now.
    Hi Anita: I see you are busy, busy, trying to plug the holes in the leaking emotional dikes of our lives. Your words are always logical and bring out the solutions our poor battered souls need to be mindful of. All those young people, with such pain and anguish in their stories. I find it interesting that the pain and anguish over relationships has no age limit, no?

    in reply to: TRICKY SITUATION NEEDS ADVICE #107855
    Nan
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    HI loveleebabe,
    You indicated you ” ran away TWICE in the middle of the night”…….Why did you go and why did you come back? Also, you said she tried to throw you out and you had to call a friend to pick yu up ASAP. Did you go? Why did you come back? You are the housekeeper and slave in this situation. And you are still married status, correct? It is easier to deal with the “known” situation than the “unkonwn” of what she may do to you. Only you can get yourself moving or not. Right now, you say you would rather put your headphones one and escape. That is easier than figuring out Plan O, right?

    in reply to: TRICKY SITUATION NEEDS ADVICE #107830
    Nan
    Participant

    Why would she get the cops involved? What is the illegal thing you are doing, that would require cops?

    in reply to: TRICKY SITUATION NEEDS ADVICE #107505
    Nan
    Participant

    Think hard, what would a good plan b look like, loveleebabe? Staying?
    Getting out and leaving the situation somehow, some way, must be thought of. If you stay, the leopard will not change their spots……….
    Think of a plan, and then take steps to get there. Even baby steps. ” Not to decide, is to decide.”

    in reply to: Paralyzed by Guilt #107265
    Nan
    Participant

    Hello Pixie,
    Heed the words of those written above well. I feel like you do, I am guilted like you are. I remained even though unhappy. I have been this way for the last 15 years of my current 35 year marriage. I have had to try very hard to gather the strength and courage to even consider leaving, as we both are in our 60’s. Dont let time slip away, you dont know how happy you might be, until you try. I regret the years of unhappiness, and wonder how I stayed in this melancholy marriage. It became habit and I did not want to feel guilty, so concerned what others would say or judge me. Just listen to your heart, and visualize a life as it is now, and what it would look like 20 years from now if you made no changes. If it doesnt feel good, you have your answer. “Playing the movie reel of the future” either staying or going, will give you insight as to what you want to do next.

    in reply to: Wife does not contribute #106669
    Nan
    Participant

    Dear Kirk,
    I have seen this before with other people I knew thru the years. Bluntly, you are her meal-ticket and she will use the son as a bargaining chip with you. I am sure you cant ask her to leave, as she doesnt appear to have other viable options. You have farms to run and chores, and cant leave yourself either. Need some advice legally if you can find the time……..

    Nan
    Participant

    The post that is flagged inappropriate, may be due to the several inks imbedded in it, in the prior post. It may be a security issue, and felt that clicking on those links may plant a bug or virus on the connecting computer. Just thinking of that as why it occurred.

    in reply to: Caught him watching… #106321
    Nan
    Participant

    Do you really feel he means to stop? How many times did you catch him before? Do you have a trust level about this with him now? Or just “wishing” in your heart that he means it? Since returning, has your sex life improved, since he would be so glad to have you back? The last sentence about ” he knew he was wrong, but at the moment he didnt care, because you shouted at him really badly”. This is his excuse now? You yelled at him, so he didnt pursue you?

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #105272
    Nan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    Just came back from my counseling session who I have seen for over ayear now.
    A couple of things were interesting.
    1- I deserve to be happy. I have more strength and courage than a year ago. Ready to let go and move one. I am too old to waste another day,,,,though….
    2- She felt that waiting until son was back in school at summers end, would be more comfortable to my thoughts. That if he witnessed the drama, meltdown, etc. he may make am impetuous decision to stay and help father, and not go back. He is empathetic and a close son with this father. He would feel, see and hear the drama, and not be able to escape it at the time.
    3- She brought up a point I hadn’t thought of : What if R-2 commits suicide? Son and all family, friends will blame me for that. I was so surprised that I didn’t feel guilty with that thought. I feel he makes that choice, its his choice. But if he threatened that, I would make sure he understood that he inst hurting me, he is hurting his son, for the rest of his life. I will feel some sadness over the son’s anger with me, but possibly over time, might come around.
    4- Do not wait for R-1 to make his life straight. I need to proceed for me, not him. I dont foresee living with him for several months or even a year. I need to see that his actions speak louder than his words with his sons and their dependencies. She agrees that we have been a gift to each other, building each other up, delighting and making each other happy in our communications and meetings. The real work is ahead.
    I feel more confident in my decisions and will lessen the fear that has driven me my whole life. She repeated several times that I <deserve to be happy in myself and not to tolerate any less than I deserve. And with R-1’s help, I have and know that in my heart. Thank you Anita for your thoughts and insight. My motto will continue to be:
    “If it is to be, It is up to me”. Will update as situations change….Sayonara!

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #105172
    Nan
    Participant

    Dear Anita,
    About the “when to leave” idea, my thought was that my son would have his dorm and frat buddies, if he needed to talk.I know men don’t really discuss, but he may be so distraught, that they might be able to influence him not to leave school , if that was a thought he had. He has the highest honors at the school, and I would hate to see him throw it away. Ultimately it will be his choice. I will have no guilt about it, because life is about choices. If he doesn’t finish his degree, he will have to face the consequences of that decision.

    As for the attachment, it has sort of morphed into a pity situation. I pity the needy way he has become over the last decade or so. I resent being the meal ticket (even though he works full time and saves MOST of his money) but know I started that, back in the day when he became unemployed over a dozen years ago, for a short period of time. I pity him, that’s all. I have no need for his money, companionship and we certainly don’t talk of anything serious, as that has been his way. If something serious, he has a tendency to ignore, stick his head in the ground or to make sure his way of thinking is the right way in an escalated and argumentation way. I wouldn’t escalate any argument, just acquiesced and let it be, to keep the peace. That is my hardest weakness, keeping the peace at just about any cost. SO, I will be NOT keeping the peace and blow this all up with lots of noise and drama. That is why I revert to the letter drop and run mode, when it happens.

    The feelings I have are: ” He doesn’t love me for who I am, He loves me for what I can do for him.” Very eye-opening to me when I read that quote somewhere. I make twice as much money as him, am more educated than him, and I feel he has been subtlety threatened by all of this, and is somewhat misogynistic in his ways. And I accepted it all and thought there was no other way. I have been enlightened to the idea that I don’t have to accept this anymore. I feel any apologies, or begging for forgiveness or trying to be sweet with me is ” too little, too late”. It is not in his nature, and it would feel like it is to make sure his comfy little life remains. Which angers me more- again feeling used for what I provide.

    Whenever I try to argue back or assert myself, that I don’t like his comments or way of something, he always tell me I am being nasty, bitchy, or what the hell is making me so mad? Then, I back down every time,as the more serious discussion wont happen as he dodges and weaves out of the way, and tries to settle by ignoring or being quiet, with no further discussion. R-1 was a breath of fresh air to me and invigorated my soul in so many ways. It has energized me that I don’t have to settle for melancholy anymore.

    in reply to: Past, Present and Future_ Year Two #105148
    Nan
    Participant

    HI Anita,
    thank you for your insight. I feel it is not really correct, though. R-2 is very dependent on me ( almost like a child) to make the household run. I make his lunches for him before he goes to work, I pay all the house bills ( I pay for them myself from my money anyway) and he is quite novice at using a computer for paying bills, researching, etc. I am going to MN next week for work, and he “hates” that I am away and not there. He states that every time, when I go on trips without him. Seems so child-like to me, especially when he says he cant sleep without me next to him in bed. It is almost like leaving a child behind. I know I have created this, as I was always told that is what a “good wife” does. I would survive in a heartbeat without him. I own the house, make my own money, and coordinate his life for him. My reason for leaving, will be stated as not being happy, appreciated and always made to feel inferior by him. No mention of R-1 at first glance. So, his meltdown will transform into seething anger, once the R-1 involvement becomes apparent. IT appears I stayed in this melancholy (for me) marriage, because I felt I was less worthy, not very attractive and this situation is the ” Made your bed, now lie in it ” thought. R-1 expanded my mind, validated my worth, my beauty, my brains, and gave me courage and self-esteem I never had before.

    My one concern right now is this: Son home over the summer, they are buddies and have a great father-son relationship. I cringe at thinking of him being home and witnessing the meltdown. I feel R-2 will melt down, and become dependent and clingy with son. Son will feel guilty and may not return for his senior year, due to guilt of watching his father de-compensate. It feels like I should wait until end of August, when vacay over and son back in school. The drama will not be in his face and he would stay
    (I think) and cope long distance with it. Of course, if he comes home, that is his choice and I will accept that. Don’t want to put him in the middle of the face to face drama, if I can help it.
    I know the phone and texts will blow up, but feel I can control my own emotions at my pace, and control what I will or wont react to. I am sure it is mind-blowing to think Mom and Dad are breaking up 35 years later, and WHY? I am at a point where I don’t need validation or support to make decisions now. Just looking for other viewpoints and do feel you have insights I never thought of. Is my logic about the melt-down reactions sane or am I missing something?
    When I think and play the “movie reel” of thinking of going back to him after all this, I feel anxious and nauseated with a big “NO” screaming in my mind. Better to be alone and peaceful and strong, than being the good “housewife/mommy” I have come to know as my role. My delay is based on the above thoughts. Your view is always welcome!

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