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I agree with you in regards to people pleasing, I think after setting and upholding boundaries with my parents and work I began feeling more confident a few weeks ago. I am beginning to stop answering texts or the front door for my landlord/friend after a certain time of day because he intrudes on the time I have to myself, and steals the time I use to care for myself because I let him. However I’m realizing now I have every right to do that and it won’t effect my housing, he needs my income and a trustworthy tenant on his property especially if he began to rent out the house to random people.
Some of my depression I believe is also coming from working in the mental health/non profit industry where the people I serve don’t get what they need because of politics, and unskillful employees who contribute to making people’s lives worse when they should be caring and helping. It makes me sad to think I may have very little options upon graduation except to work in these settings for a number of years before I can start my own private practice or non-profit. I feel trapped by my career choice.
I’m not sure if there’s anything you can tell me to help me with attachment pains, no one has really been able to help me through the pain of feeling alone, and having no one to take care of me (except here). I can take care of myself for a while and then I fall into depression when I run out of hope that I will ever have another romantic relationship. I’m beginning to feel abnormal compared to my peers who are married, or have no problem dating or finding sex. I’m beginning to feel unattractive and worthless, and it’s takes me to a bad place mentally where my will is very weak. I still take care of my responsibilities, but I can’t bring myself to make music, or paint, or exercise when I’m alone. Instead I habe just lay in bed not eating all day, in despair confused as to what I’m doing wrong.
Again I want you to know that although I may not always respond directly to your posts I do read them and ‘re read them before I post here. Just in case I’m being redundant.
nonameParticipantAnita as always you have good insight to offer me. There is certainly a paranoid escalation that goes on in my mind anytime some difficult event happens in my life. Part of it is a fear that if I experience 1 misfortune that a whole host of misfortunes will stem from that, and my worst fear reactivated which is being alienated and completely alone. Paradoxically when this fear of being alone is activated I tend to isolate from people. I’m not sure what to tell myself to slow this escalation besides the awareness you mentioned? I suppose I could try to rationalize, although I find controlling my thoughts doesn’t always calm my anxieties.
I think I isolate for a couple reasons, 1. If I choose to be alone, I am the one in control of my life 2. I don’t want to burden others with my problems out of fear they will leave me.
This is no way to live especially when people care about me and are vulnerable with me yet I truly am not with them out of fear.
I absolutely see the connection with my friend/landlord and my parents i noticed this a while ago. I have to people please in a way to continue to get what I need until i can be %100 financially independent which is less than a year away.
I’m really unsure to do about my need for sex and touch, it truly is becoming depressing and more and more difficult for me to ignore. I think i might be searching for something that doesn’t exist. It just really makes me feel like shit that i can barely have sex a couple times per year now, and its not that women aren’t attracted to me, occasionally i do go on dates via online means or get a number at a bar. But i almost never follow up with the honest belief that if someone likes me there MUST be something wrong with them.
nonameParticipantThank you for your thoughtful reply Anita. I think your description of escalation is accurate. When I’m sad I feel scared that there will be no one to care for me. The irony is that 4 different friends asked me to hangout yesterday and I declined all of them because I was feeling depressed. I did talk with one friend about it briefly over the phone though. I think the support is there for me because of the work I put in with my friendships. It’s just the one friend im describing that doesent listen is the friend I see the most because I live behind his house, so he frequently uses my space as an escape from his own life, which is fine, but it’s a one sided relationship and I and other friends of his, and his girlfriend bring up this character trait to him all the time but he does nothing about it. The fear there is that he controls my housing and is about to begin renting the house which I live behind, so I’m afraid of having new random neighbors, even though when I moved in he gave me his word he would be living in the house for at least 2 years and it hasn’t even been 6 months. I’m not terrified of having different neighbors, it’s just frustrating because that’s just another relationship I have to manage for the comfort of my living situation, and It shows me I can’t depend on anyone to keep their word. It’s sad too that whenever I confront my friend about anything he tries to walk away, he doesn’t want to hear any truth about himself no matter how it’s delivered. Which leaves me in a state of resentment that I still welcome him into my apt.
I think my depression is a combination of feeling as if I can’t depend on anyone and a recurring feeling of inferiority compared to my peers due to my difficulty being intimate with women. It’s been 3 1/2 years since I broke up with my first gf and I can’t see it happening that any other woman would ever love me, the frustrating part is that my female friends in particular are always telling me I’m a great guy etc. But those comments only make me feel worse about being alone because they feel like lies to me because I stay without intimacy in my life with no relief in sight. I was In a state of mind a couple weeks ago that I would be ok without an intimate romantic relationship, but the sadness, combined with sexual frustration is starting to take it’s toll on my confidence and motivation. I will try not to panic but I’m reaching a point where I haven’t felt unconditionally loved in so long that I don’t if it’s even possible outside myself.
nonameParticipantThanks Anita I will try my best. I notice that sometimes I get exhausted with taking care of myself, and that’s when I fall into despair. It’s 2pm and I haven’t eaten or gotten out of bed. I feel paralyzed by a lack of motivation and purpose.
nonameParticipantWithout any particular reason or event, I find myself slipping back into depression. I don’t really have an exact reason why, but I have been feeling disconnected from people again, and as if I’m not getting what I need from the relationships I do have with friends. Specifically the friend I see the most I’ve come to realize doesent ever ask about my life. I’ve been at a new internship for 3 weeks now and he hasn’t once asked me about it, he doesent even ask me how I’m doing when he sees me. I think it’s exhausting for me pretending to be in a good mood for people, I do the same thing at my internship too because I know any slip up in my personality could mean I get kicked out of my program, so I have to be on guard at school and at my internship to ensure i can graduate and not raise any red flags about my “questionable character” since I’m on thin ice with the u diversity for cussing out my supervisor twice at my last internship. To add to the stress I’m working at a residential inpatient treatment facility for kids with behavior issues who have all been traumatized and the poorly trained staff re-traumatize the kids everyday, and I’m only a student so I have little influence on what goes on. Lastly I’m just lonely, which completely contradicts the way I was feeling for the past few weeks. I think I need regular Meaningful interaction with people, and by meaningful I mean interactions which reciprocate care and intimacy.
PThis is my own fault too for not allowing people into my world when I feel depressed which only makes it worse because I feel ashamed of being sad and then disconnected. Some of my female friends went out Friday night and I didn’t want to go, but they insisted I come so they sent a taxi to my house at 1am to pick me up, I still pretended nothing was wrong but I do a bad job of hiding my feelings, especially when someone has seen me in better moods in the past. I still wouldn’t allow then to help me. Another friend invited me to a jam session/bbq yesterday and I lied and said I was sick, and yet another friend invited me for dinner today and I’m also going to lie and say I’m sick. It’s hard for me to want to go out into the world when I feel this way. I still have an intense longing for physical intimacy which I feel most ashamed of because it seems so easy for everyone else. When i hear stories of people’s numbers of partners it always makes me feel really insecure and hate myself for only having slept with 4 women. I feel there has to be something wrong with me. I hate myself so much right now and just want to stop.
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nonameParticipantI just wanted to check in to say I’m doing well right now. I can say I am doing significantly better than when I started this thread, feeling more confident than ever. I even performed my music in front of an audience for the first time this past weekend, and didn’t feel afraid to share some of myself with strangers.
I feel for the first time in my life that I love myself. And It feels really good to know no matter what is going on in my life I won’t be getting in my own way as much and I’m keeping my own best interest in mind in every decision I make. I no longer feel as if I’m out to sabatoge myself. I feel attractive and easy to talk to because I radiate authenticity and truth. Although I still have work to do in being true to myself I believe.If there’s anything I’m struggling with right mow it’s still being without sex or a partner. However, I’m not panicking in the absence of intimacy as I have in the past, and I think it has a lot to do with actually liking myself. Before when I disliked myself, the panic to find some kind of love and approval felt unbearable, as If I was separated from the pack and left to die. Now I think because I have made it a point to be even more open with friends and ask for care when I need it, I’m not panicking as much because I know having a partner is not the only way to get my need for emotional intimacy met. Of course sex+emotional intimacy would be amazing, and I believe it may even be there for me one day, but I’ve accepted that it may come and go and that’s actually more comforting to me than thinking it’s something I have to go find and hold on tightly or take some active role in acquiring, when i try too much I get exhausted easily.
I thought I’d just check in and let you know things are okay right now, and I’m in my last year of school now so that’s exciting for me too.
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nonameParticipantThank you Anita
I wanted to take a break because again i dont want to burn you out with my issues, I’m sure I will repost again. I don’t know if it will be in a day or a month. My concern was for you in taking a break, as I feel you have given me plenty to work with, and I don’t know if it is the case or not, but I can imagine it can be exhausting being so attentive to other people’s needs. There are so many people you reply to and you give no special treatment from the other threads I’ve seen meaning it seems you put just as much thought into replying to every persons post regardless of how many times they’ve posted. I thought I’d give you a break from me for a while. I’m sure I will be back soon
nonameParticipantAnita
I think after today I may take a break from this for a while. I’m getting a sense that I may be burning you out. I feel you have given so much to me here over the past month and we have covered nearly every issue I have. You have been so helpful and kind to me. From this thread I can ‘re read as much as I want to help myself in the future. I still wish I could repay you in some kind of way! But Just know I am deeply grateful for your guidance and I wish you the same peace I’m sure you want for me.
nonameParticipant”that core belief I have that I’m a bad person” Less misery is the result. The belief of being worthless is tightly connected to the belief that you are bad, unworthy of the good things in life.
I see this in myself very much I feel “bad” when I smoke too often, and I smoke most when I feel worthless. I feel “bad” because I’m supposed to be a role model in my career and I’m not all the way together, or rather I haven’t developed the capacity to empathize with myself so that I wouldn’t have to escape from the feelings of worthlessness by smoking. You wrote to me “You feel unworthy even though you are worthy” lately I have been seeing the worth of others to me which led me to thinking that I must be worthy because in the buddhist since we (people) are not separate, we are one. By this logic if I’m able to see anyone else as worthy I should be able to see myself as worthy, of course it hasn’t been as simple as telling myself that but I feel my capacity to see the good in others even in their difficult moments is a trait of healer, a person who uplifts others, a worthy person in my eyes.In regards to helping and feeling worthy “doesn’t always suggests that sometimes helping other does the trick” this has been more true to me this week than ever as I have had to terminate with clients and they gave me the gift of witnessing them in their rawest moments, some expressing they have never had someone open them up so quickly or even at all. (I’m in tears as I write this section) They allowed me to learn about myself and prompted me to do better in my work on myself which I am deeply grateful for. They weren’t obligated to let me know they think I’m doing good by them, and as a professional it’s really none of my business either, I let each one of my clients know what I have been getting out of the helping relationship with them as I terminate, as they too needed to know they are worthy as they see me. I have cried a lot the past two days as I had to terminate with such beautiful souls, particularly a young girl who was caring for her mother the same way I did, she was carrying her mothers pain, and thanks to this thread I was able to articulate this to her and have her understand her mothers happiness is not her responsibility. It was really hard doing this as I will likely never see this person again and all I can hope for is that she got the message that she is the child. In that moment seeing this dynamic outside my so called “self” made me realize the following you wrote could not be more true ““I see (mother) as a person who plays the role of victim. Which I think can be manipulative”. Her repeated, ongoing, lifetime message in playing victim is that she deserves empathy, not you.” Also this “as a child you had no one to rely on and had to be the one your mother relied on”
When I got home I cried many tears for this young woman, and myself as Its starting to make sense to me on a emotional/feelings level. It took the bravery of that little girl to cry with me and leave my office and put on a tough face for her mom for me to realize I’ve been doing the same thing for 26 years. For that I am grateful for her honesty with me.I got angry today at work again but before I reacted too strongly I thought back to this thread and these words “it will take pausing before automatically reacting” I am glad I did not cuss at the director(also a professor) of the center over the phone, as we had a crisis situation that I was supposed to escalate to her, but she had left the center even though I am unlicensed and not supposed to be practicing alone, for which she will get in trouble for. I let her know that this was unacceptable, as she endangered my career, Her career, and potentially someones life, by not doing her job. I am glad I am moving from this internship site now. However this gave me an opportunity to work on my anger having thought back to this that you wrote “Problem is our feelings are very convincing, and if it wasn’t for the severe injury in childhood, your feelings would have been trustworthy, indicating the truth.” My feelings in this moment were in congruence with truth and I’m just glad I was able to collect myself and continue working after this, and not feel ashamed for expressing my anger, because I was firm with her about my disappointment but not disrespectful.
Im still struggling with sleep, last night I barely made it 3.5hrs total, I continue to be plagued by thoughts of needing a woman, and wanting that feeling of safety and belonging, I want this way more than sex, and I will also take your advice of “minimize the risk by taking the time to get to know a woman well enough before becoming involved with her” something I’ve honestly never done the longest I’ve gone is 3weeks before having sex with someone, not enough time in my opinion. Its going to take some persistence and understanding of what I really need to overcome this in the future. I still have a hard time believing/accepting this “What you need is there for you, available.” And I think thats because I don’t feel worthy of a woman’s love still, I don’t feel like it would be possible, I know this isn’t true and I’m happy that I have more female friends who have helped me see women in a more compassionate way, and not much different from myself (because of the oneness of humanity) However I see this clearly “When you are able and willing to see that your mother didn’t love you and cheated you out of ..you, then you will be able to not see your mother in every other woman.” Because I have absolutely been attracted to unhappy women to the point where I really want to get this need met, but don’t trust myself enough to meet it without dating my mom again. It has been difficult to spend so much time in solitude without falling into those feelings of worthlessness. Although I would like to think this period in my life of the past 3 years spending only a total 10 months in relationships with a woman will help me learn something somehow.
I just want to thank you again Anita I know can be excessive with the thanks at times, but as a fellow helper and healer in training I know how rare that thanks can be. You are making a positive impact on my life, with just your words and I don’t want you to go unappreciated for that, because when you help me, you are helping me develop the capacity to help others, therefore you are helping so many more people than just I
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nonameParticipantI have re read this entire thread twice this week and usually ‘re read your posts at least 2-3 times. Sometimes it takes time to sink in. Sometimes an entire week before I get it. Honestly I haven’t had a lot of time with it being the end of the semester this past week. But after today I’m done with school and work for a couple weeks, so I’m taking the time to take care of myself and ‘re read this thread again. I will respond to your past few posts later today hopefully, but I don’t want you to think I’m not grateful at all. I even thought to myself I wish I knew where Anita was so I could send her some kind of gift to show my appreciation (I know thats not appropriate) but I can’t even express to you how appreciative I really am. Just know I still live by words you wrote me in threads over a year ago. Thank you anita
nonameParticipantThank you for reading my post and your wishes for me.
I hope this thread hasn’t become too repetitive, something i struggle with alot in therapy too, feeling as if i come in with the same problem and i don’t go anywhere with it, or as if i’m being disrespectful somehow by not always acting on your suggestions, not healing fast enough despite having help. my therapist tells me all the time progress and healing is not linear but receiving this much empathy and attention feels very uncomfortable to me. I’m beginning to feel like a burden to you even though you’ve given no such indication. Again, i know that’s my childhood pain relived, but i just dont always know what to do about it, empathizing with myself continues to be a difficult task.
I too feel worth doing for the benefit of others. Tonight i’m cooking for friends because one just graduated college, my friends girlfriend just bough a house, and my other friend shes just been good to me this past month, so i thought an act of gratitude for them would be a nice thing to do. I think i have to remind myself that i am a useful friend from time to time just so i don’t fall into those feelings of worthlessness, this is why i help so much. But as we’ve discussed before helping others doesn’t always do the trick for me either.
I hate that i place so much value on physical touch, but it hurts not to be touched and openly held but a few times a year at most. I never know when any relief is coming my way. And since i quit smoking the urge is even worse i cant easily suppress my attraction to women like before and i dont want to “hit on” anyone out of fear of being disrespectful, online dating is a complete fail for me, and being a black male im very cautious about even looking at a woman at all out of fear of being called out for harassment. I feel getting my physical needs met is hopeless. So if you have any suggestions on how to live without affection or physical intimacy i would appreciate it. I tried telling myself, that one day the pain will stop when im dead, but it’s uncomfortable trying to cope between now and death. (im not saying or implying im suicidal)
nonameParticipantIm having a hard time categorizing my mom into one of those 3. I see her as a person who plays the role of victim. Which i think can be manipulative.
In regard to my anger towards women i would like to be in a healthy enough place to be willing to take a risk and get hurt, and be accepting of it, and willing to do it again. I think this will take an acceptance of pain if i’m to find the mutually supportive other i would like. Sometimes i dont even know why i want a woman at all? it frustrates the hell out of me feeling like i need or want someone, it seems irrational to want someone else to give me attention and i feel bad for wanting a woman around at all, but i think we’ve already been over my issue with feeling in need. I’ve never felt comfortable relying on anyone but myself.
I’ve understood for a couple years now that happiness cannot be a constant state. It’s taken some work but what im striving for is peace of mind, and a capacity to take care of myself and be kind (to me & others) in my moments of pain. Which as of now i am not, when someone stands me up or cheats on me i try to respectfully let them know i am hurt without shaming them, which i struggle with now. I have no doubt i will be cheated on and lied to again i would just like to stop handling so poorly.
I also dont understand how to help myself feel worthy. I mean i understand my parental relationships are the cause and maintenance, but cutting contact alone wont do the trick. I have clients in their 70’s with similar parental dynamics as mine though their parents have been deceased for years (no contact) they still struggle with this belief
nonameParticipantAnita,
I have never even considered that I judge my progress based on my feelings, until now. I think there is certainly a part of me that still believes constant happiness=good mental health. Going back to how i intellectualize, even though i know happiness like any other emotion will come and go, my feeling is still one that if i’m not happy that means i’m bad. Seeing that last sentence written down just now i was able to make a direct connection to my fathers words (“its your job to take care of your mother”) and that core belief i have that i’m a bad person. You continue to reveal traits about myself that are so obvious i don’t even notice them.
I think i struggle the most with this self-evaluation that im bad connected to anger right now. First of all i was never allowed to get angry growing up, all the anger in the house was reserved for my dad. If i ever got angry he made it a point to show me exactly how much angrier he was that i was angry and he also set a great example of how not to express it. What this means for me now is i’m uncomfortable with feeling angry, and think it means i’m a bad person.
Perfect example was the text message exchange i had with this woman yesterday who stiffed me. After she told me she made other plans, i instantly became angry. I thought back to this thread and trying to communicate my feelings in a more respectable way, but i feel like i failed that. At first i said “im disappointed. but whatever.” then she says maybe we could hangout later in the night for which i responded “f**k that. 2 hours ago you said you were down, so i cut my plans short because of that. im an actual person you know? but your a pretty girl im sure you’ll find what you want” I felt i shouldn’t have said that last sentence, and it was more of an expression of my anger towards women in general. I hate that i struggle with trusting women so much, I hate that i believe women are promiscuous, lying, opportunists. This is tainting the way i see people right now, and i have no doubt it will interfere with my career if i cant resolve this.
I continue to feel unattractive most of the time even though people tell me otherwise all the time, and as if i somehow deserve to be lied to consistently for some reason. My first serious self harm/suicide attempt was because of a girl who stiffed me when i 16. Every time this happens it makes me feel worthless and reactivates that pain, which is a reactivation of my maternal relationship. I would really like to work on this so that one day i might be able to attract and maintain a healthy relationship with a woman. I feel somehow i must keep attracting and being attracted to this same type of dishonest woman.
nonameParticipantGood morning Anita
This thread has become such a great source of support for me lately and I’m grateful. Yesterday turned out okay. I got stiffed once again, and that hurt. I had been working on some photography stuff with one of my friends and cut it about an hour short because she confirmed the date. Then 15 min before I’m about to leave my house to go meet her she tells me she actually made other plans with someone else. I came to the conclusion that I really need to give up on online dating all together, and stick with the reliable people in my life and be patient enough to find a woman who cares about me, not in a bar, not on an app.
I’m going to use letters in parenthesis to represent my friends names from now on to avoid confusion.
After my photographer friend left and I ended ready for a date that didn’t happen, I started feeling bad again, as if there’s something not good enough about me is why this happened. Luckily one of my childhood friends(j) who recently moved a half mile from my house stopped by to see me with his girlfriend, they talked to me for a minute and They gave me a hug before they left which i really needed. My other friend(m) and his girlfriend(b) who I live behind their house in a detached garage apt, invited me to sit on the back porch with them and talk/drink celebrate because his gf(b) just bought a house. Me and B have a lot in common as she has a similar reasons for being a helper as I don because of childhood wounding and taking care of her parents, and she is a nurse, so she understands the difficulty of being in being in a helping profession, my friend m isn’t the best with deep conversations as he’s very distracted and self centered, so she really enjoys our conversations when we have them. I generally connect well with women, because I really enjoy listening to the details of people’s story. We talked for a few hours over quite a few drinks and really connected which I needed.
Despite how bad I felt about getting stiffed yet again, im grateful im insulated with such loving friends. I still really need sex right now as I’ve only had sex a couple times this year, but there’s nothing I can do about it. I don’t know if I still feel like trying and my trust of women continues to be shaky. I’m not sure what to do about this need anymore but I feel as if the universe is telling me to stop trying so hard.
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