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Anita
Thank you again for your reply and suggestions, it is always helpful.
Can you elaborate on “too intense to allow comfort”? “here you didn’t try to form an intimate attachment, it was already formed within the two weeks of dating her. And the attachment was intense, too intense to allow comfort.” Are you suggesting basically i was moving too fast? I’ve never had a close comfortable attachment to anyone so i’m not sure how to feel attached and comfortable.
It is difficult for me to accept how irrational i started to become this time around. This has become a pattern for me, i’m so desperate to feel loved that i will accept almost anything someone promises me, no matter how foolish. I think this is the part where self-hatred flares up for me. I’m disappointed in myself for being ignorant. I’m also disappointed that I still want to reach out to her after her telling me not to contact me, even after reading all this, having gone through all that pain, I still want her to love me. It tears me apart, i feel weak.
When i reached out to her initially i was feeling confident and worthy the more i feel like i need people the more my confidence plunges. Now i feel hopeless, it’s painful to think ill never have a healthy relationship with a woman, i don’t want to believe it, but that’s what the pain keeps saying to me.
nonameParticipantAnita
I really like the suggestion to “turn the light on” before getting involved with someone else. I thought that’s what I did this most recent time but I’m noticing ignoring my gut feeling about people has always backfired on me. This girl was not malicious in any way, but my gut was telling me she didn’t know herself well which I’ve found can also be harmful in relationships when one person is out of touch with themselves.
My attachment issues were triggered by her by the second week of us dating, my roommate noticed it and pointed it out to me yet I chose to ignore it, I’m trying to learn to sit with emotional discomfort and nothing makes me more uncomfortable than trying to form intimate attachments. I don’t think I handled the situation poorly as I have in the past, I was trying my best to maintain composure. I’m just alarmed at how morbid I became after being let down by this girl. I fear the impulsivity in myself when overwhelmed with emotions+Activated negative core beliefs. I’ve all but stopped reaching out for help for some reason, I think Im still trying to prove to myself I don’t need anyone, I don’t think I’ve been humbled enough to truly call on support when needed, the only reason I got help this time around is because I live with a good friend. Normally no one would ever hear me cry or see my pain.
i feel a severe lack of guidance in my life. To my astonishment you have been a great source of guidance for me, my therapist, and that’s about it. Otherwise when I’m in these emotional crisis I don’t feel understood. I need guidance to feeling connection, I’ve been considering maybe I’ve been too focused on connecting with people, and not enough with the rest of the universe. Some of my most peaceful moments have come when alone in the woods with only other animals and plant life, yet I struggle currently to feel deep spiritual connection with the world.
I want to feel motivated and secure in my life, I struggle with frequent burnout and don’t get refilled enough. My fear is that I won’t be able to do my job effectively if I don’t start taking better care of myself outside of work
nonameParticipantAnita
Thank you for your reply.
I have been moved out of my sisters house since this August, and I am finally financially secure and fully independent again. I do have a roommate and she has been great to me and patient with my rollercoaster of emotion.
I was trying to be patient with this most recent woman tolerating her indecisiveness because I thought she was worth it. However her not knowing what she wanted was ultimately the problem. As I mentioned she was bisexual and the other date she went on was with a woman, she hadn’t been with a man except me in years. She brought this up multiple times as a source of internal conflict, feeling a rare emotional connection to me, but also still desiring women.
To your point of people living out their childhood experience as an adult, I see this all the time in my work as a therapist and my own experience with it is what makes me a good therapist myself, I have received countless compliments from people how they feel understood for the first time and like things are starting to make sense. I’m beginning to realize I’m far more emotionally mature than I thought. Of course I have a ways to go and wisdom to be found, but in general I have done the work that the vast majority of people don’t do. This scares me because I’m fearful I won’t ever find a secure attachment with anyone because so many people are so wounded and lost in the world, including myself. This leaves me with a very small pool of healthy adults to choose from.
Problem for me is that just because I’ve done the intrapsychic work on myself, I still experience my childhood attachment pains when triggered like it was happening now. My answer thus far has been to show gratitude towards those wounded parts of my psyche for getting me this far, I see my inner critic as my inner child still screaming out for attention. So I try to listen to what he needs. Lately I’ve been struggling to identify how to help him. I know I need connection with other people and even though I have many friends I have few people I feel vulnerable with.
I wondered today why did I even post here? I think it’s because I feel safe sharing here with you above all, and I need to know someone values me enough to pay full attention. I believe that’s what I need more than anything is a safe non judgmental group of people to fill me up when I feel down. I need to be heard. Thank you for listening.
i think my ultimate question for myself is and will be do I keep reaching out for connection? Or do I just accept things the way they are and just be? I’m torn, reaching out has ended in pain, at least romantically speaking, it has worked out with other relationships though. I’m just scared to move forward right now and don’t know where to find strength.
nonameParticipantAnita,
I hope you have been well. It never ceases to amaze me how you seem to available for so many in need. Thank you.
Since I last posted I have been doing in general a lot better thank the past couple years. At one point I wanted to post here to tell you about positive progress. I’m still progressing which is difficult in itself to admit in moments of pain. Which is what I’m here to discuss, pain.
I was dating a woman for about a month and a half. She was in graduate school to also become a therapist. The short version of this story is we had an emotional connection we couldn’t deny, but that wasn’t enough, because I know what I want and she did not. She was also bisexual and hadn’t been with a man in 5 years because of sexual trauma. I was very responsive, accessible, and engaged towards her. She was engaged with me in my presence, but was hard to reach and not always responsive to my needs.
we talked a few weeks ago and she told me she intended to go on a date with someone else. Which I had no objections to. I set a boundary with her that if she were to date me she would date only me, not the first time I’ve done this in my dating history. After that conversation I told her not to reach out unless she wanted me and only me. A couple days later she reached out. The next Saturday we talked about it and she agreed to date only me, though she had arranged a date that night with a new person, and assured me it wasn’t going anywhere and she would come to my house aFterward that night. She never came. And it sent me into a spiral. I had actually dealt with the first ending with her very well, I recognized some of my negative core beliefs flaring up but instead I encouraged myself to just feel sad, to feel it completely and intensely as it was asking of me, after a couple of days I was feeling like I was going to be okay. However after she reached out to me told me she wanted to be exclusive and then broke her word, all of those negative core beliefs came rushing in, and my suicidal ideation got out of control. I was sent home from one of my jobs because I was in tears at my desk and couldn’t get anything done. I’m no longer feeling suicidal, and I’m also seeing my therapist. But I couldn’t believe how different I handled my feelings in the span of 2 weeks. I told here I didn’t want anything to do with her anymore, because her words and actions don’t line up.
My question right now to myself and this forum is what is my pain trying to tell me? I’m constantly triggered and get the worst pains right in my gut throughout the day when I feel lonely. I’m trying to be there for myself and challenge my negative core beliefs but they keep interjecting and wanting attention. Im refraining from dating again until I feel a little less raw and hurt.
If you have any wisdom for me, as always it’s appreciated
nonameParticipantAnita,
The difference between contract and working for an agency (non profit) is that I get to keep more of what I make, have more control over my schedule, and don’t have anyone to answer to besides my code of ethics of course. Ultimately it is easier to work for an agency and I have considered it quite a lot recently, but I know if I stick it through the hard times of essentially starting my own business then the payoff will be greater in the end. Basically if I were to do 10 therapy sessions a week I would be making the same amount of money in 1.5 days as some of my recently graduated classmates working 40hrs a week.
All this to say I need to start giving myself some credit for not taking the easy way out. My friend pointed this out to me yesterday when we’re having one of those “what the hell am I doing with my life” conversations. He reminded me of how hard I’ve been working since he knew me, he said “when I met you, you had no car, you were riding you’re bike in the freezing rain delivering sandwiches, then going to school after, you’re inspiring and have a strong work ethic.” I needed to hear that because I’m so deficit focused in my life it’s hard for me to acknowledge how hard I work. My fear is that if I start feeling proud of myself I’ll get lazy and stop accomplishing. Though even this mentality that I’m lazy is still yet another example of my childish thought process (I.e. accomplish more to make mom happy). I’m so humble I think it would be okay for me to feel proud of myself a little bit, I doubt my head will get too big, that’s just not in my character I believe.
I did talk to my mom a couple days ago because of my financial situation, ultimately we ended up talking about my childhood. She had a moment of understanding she told me when I gave her an example of how me and my sister took care of her as children through removing the responsibility of taking care of us. I explained to her I was taking care of her by taking care of myself (in unskillful ways of course, ie self harm, depression, compliance) she said in the past she struggled to understand what I meant but she said she finally understands, especially when I gave her an example of how my younger cousins do the same thing with their mom and she can see the emotional problems manifesting within them currently. While I’m glad we finally had a moment of understanding I’m still not veering from the path of mental independence from her and I told her that, for which she said she understands and she supports me in that decision. Probably the most productive conversation I’ve had with her in years.
on another topic I’ve been researching a lot on Buddhism and lust, romance, and sex. I have a lot of issues in this area I was so deprived of physical touch as a child that when I meet a woman it drives me literally insane. I’ve been intentionally celibate for a period of 9months when I was 24 because it was causing such a problem for me but I didn’t feel great about it then either. I’m not sure what the healthy balanced way forward is in this area I feel a lot of shame because I’ve only slept with 8 women and I’m 27 years old, and it’s not that I want to hit some arbitrary number, it’s more that I feel worthless or unworthy of affection. I’d like to think that’s not true I do get complimented frequently on my looks when I go out, but it seems like that’s all I’m good for, or at least that’s what I’ve reduced myself to.
nonameParticipantI understand what you mean. I would agree. If my financial situation wasn’t an issue I would’ve never considered but it’s the only place I can go rent free. I’m hoping to test my ability to mentally detach from my mom while I’m there, I don’t want progress to stop just because I’m in physical proximity. My current stress level is extremely high, but I’m hoping it will all pay off in the end. Instead of taking a crappy nonprofit job like most of my classmates I’m taking an unconventional route for a new therapist by doing contract jobs, which require more self-marketing because I’m not fed as many clients as nonprofit agencies. However I know with my specialized skill set, and demographic characteristics it’s only a matter of time before I’ll be independent again. Life is difficult right now to say the least. I’m trying to practice gratitude to keep my mind in the right place while everything around me is unstable.
nonameParticipantI’m sure you think it’s a bad idea, but I’m looking forward to being with my sister and her boyfriend, and my friends more than anything. I’m also looking forward to practicing detachment when I am around my mom. I’m just in a spot currently where I can’t afford to pay next months rent, and also need to be around people to some degree.
nonameParticipantAnita,
yes, I’m going to live with my sister for a month for financial reasons. I’ll be gone by the end of July but I need a way to save money for a month and my sister won’t charge me to live with her.
nonameParticipantWell it has been an unsettling weekend for me though i feel grateful at the moment. I got way too drunk friday night and went out with my friends. Luckily they didnt let me go home with some random woman though i was pretty close. I paid for the drinking yesterday.
My sister and her boyfriend came to visit yesterday and we went to eat and hungout some. It was nice to be able to hangout with just my sister and her boyfriend without my mother present. I decided im going to move to hometown an hour away and commute to work once a week for the month of july and move back in august. I need to save money and be around old friends and family (cousins).
My friend (whose property i currently live on) girlfriends grandfather died yesterday. Me and my other friend were requested by her to come visit and hangout at thier house last night. I was happy to have been requested to witness her grief, that means alot to me, like were family. She told us stories of her grandfather who died in his late 90s and worked literally untill the day he died. It was moving how many people this man touched with his life and the intentional manner he lived with. He suffered a stroke but was still alert enough to communicate on his death bed by squeezing his grandaughters hand. She said he told him he could let go and he died seconds later.
What i learned from this story is that it is possible to live through the suffering of life bravely and without letting fear dictate your decision making. I had woke up yesterday morning hungover and told myself it had to stop, that i must make a decision if i want to live and quit running from my pain. The irony is that when we attempt to escape or become unconscious of our pain it increases, however if we move towards increasing our consciousness towards that pain that it how it’s resolved. I mentor a teenager in foster care, i have friends that need me, my clients need me, my family and younger cousins look up to me. I became angry with myself that i have been living as if facing my pain was not of the utmost importance.
It occurred to me how many celebrities have died at the exact age of 27. One of my favorite music producers died of an overdose last year at 27. I think this stage in my life is one where i must decide if im going to choose life or death. I have not been choosing life lately i’ve been regressing into childish mannerisms instead of choosing maturity. I’m hoping moving back home for a short period of time, removing some responsibility and being around old loving friends can help reinforce the choice that i’m committing to of choosing to live.
nonameParticipantThank you anita
nonameParticipantI’ve done inner child work mostly on my own writing letters. Nothing too in depth.
If I can ask for one more thing from you today Anita, just to get me through, im still at work and i find myself crying anytime im alone. I went through and deleted all the women i had in my phone but find myself particularly focused on a woman i went out with on tuesday night. I deleted her number due to lack of self control not to reach out to her because she did not respond yesterday. I keep trying to restore my contacts in my phone but her number wont come back. Probably for the best. I just need something right now to get me through to let me know even if she never responds i am still a worthy person. I dont feel it today. I know there is no magic cure but if you have any kind reasurring words i sure could use them. Thank you so much by the way! i feel overwhelmed with gratitude towards you and my friends at the moment for the love you all send me that i barely feel deserving of.
nonameParticipantYes, let’s begin. I’m ready. I’ve got to start loving myself only then will I be able to endure rejection without falling into despair, criticism and self hatred I believe
nonameParticipantNot too abstract. Makes perfect sense. I’m feeling the stuckness of my inner child with my parents more than ever.
I managed an attachment that long very anxiously and with much ambivalence, also we never lived together, we were young co-dependents, and kept eachother at arms length, I was rarely vulnerable with her the way I am with friends now, it wasn’t a very close relationship. I was depressed and unavailable.
Since then I haven’t had anything that resembles a close romantic relationship, and I’m doubtful I ever will at this point. I’m far too anxious. So I either try to hard or not at all. It feels hopeless so one night stands are my new thing and I hate it but need that occasional illusion of closeness to another human being to keep me going
nonameParticipantAs far as number 3 goes I have much less trouble blaming them than 2 years ago. Where I still struggle with this is my other family members especially my sister, I want her support, but she’s always preaching forgiveness even though it doesn’t help her or me. So I must go without her support if I want to place the blame where it belongs not on the child but on the parent.
Number 2 couldn’t be more true still to this day, especially with women, men not so much. Even today I’m stuck with this going back in forth in my mind “do I text/call her? does that seem needy? Well you have needs you need met, so just do it! But what if she doesn’t respond? The last one didn’t respond, so just wait for it to happen don’t reach out. But you need to reach out how else will they know you’re interested? But you don’t want to look needy, you know what forget it you don’t need nobody! …etc”
Women drive me crazy I feel like whatever I decide to do is the wrong decision. All I want to do is form an attachment with someone that last longer than 24-48hrs
nonameParticipantThank you for doing the digging on my old threads.
It is interesting to me how much my mentality has changed over the past couple years. My anger was misplaced on myself. I talked with an older friend yesterday who had a shockingly similar situation to that of mine as far as the struggle goes with keeping in contact with his parents or not. He too has gone through periods of confrontation, non contact, siblings not understanding, struggling with misplaced self hatred, yet trying to be compassionate at the same time. He is a very wise man whom I respect. He is still in contact with his parents though he says he expects nothing to change about them till the day they die, but he says he has allowed them a small space in his life once they began to understand and take responsibility for his childhood wounding. Not saying I’m ready to keep close contact, but it made me feel much less alone in this situation I’m facing.
Just to take the attention off of my parents for a bit, I have been struggling with a sense of meaninglessness about my life. I have my reasons not to die, but have been struggling to find purpose and reasons to live if that makes sense. I have been drinking way too much, and seeking consoling from random women over the past month or so.
I went to therapy yesterday which I can’t afford and my therapist saw me for free. He said he knows I will repay him either in the work I’m doing for the world or monetarily when I can. I told him I don’t come often because I feel guilty about him not getting paid well. He emphasized to me over and over that he and his family are financially fine, and he sees a few clients at reduced rates. He highlighted to me how difficult it is for me to accept love offered by others. Also that the suffering of my life wouldn’t necessarily end if I were dead. I would be passing it on to others and the world. My friend who I’m moving in with has offered to pay our deposit and first months rent because she loves me, I cried like a baby on the phone with her a couple days ago saying I don’t understand why or how she could love me. I feel deeply unlovable and it simply is not true. Viktor frankl says suffering ceases to be suffering the second it has meaning, I’ve been suffering unnecessarily for no reason at times. And my suffering does have meaning, I need to bear it no one else can bear it for me, I desperately want to be saved, but know I can only save myself. I’m still in a lot of pain today, but I’m more willing to bear it because I know I am loved, and it has meaning.
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