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Peter
ParticipantAll parents damage their children. It cannot be helped. Youth, like pristine glass, absorbs the prints of its handlers. Some parents smudge, others crack, a few shatter childhoods completely into jagged little pieces, beyond repair. ― Mitch Albom
Do everything right, do everything wrong, regardless which, some children will thrive and some falter.
One of the tasks of individuation is coming to terms with the mother/father complex. It is true indeed that our relationship to our parents tends to be complex. Anyway, as we become adults we must learn to nurture and discipline ourselves, essentially become our own ‘mother’ and ‘father’. This tend to happen by detaching the mother and father archetypes from our parents. And we do this by recognizing our parents as individuals with their own needs, fears, hopes, failings… By learning to relate to our parents as people and not *only* as mother and father (just as we are not *only* son/daughter) we open the way to reconnect to the archetype/energy of mother/father within ourselves.
Peter
ParticipantOne of the purposes of relationships is to heal our past so we tend to be attracted to partners that will trigger our “past” hurts hoping that because the love us they will be able to react/respond in such away to change our expectation of being hurt. This more often then not happens subconsciously. The goal then is to make the process as conscious as possible
For example, if you have abandonment and trust issues because your father left you or some such and subconsciously you blame yourself for it you will ‘test’ your partner in that regard. Creating scenes to push your partner away with the subconscious expectation that he will leave you, (like everyone leaves you because your such a bad person…) but hope that your partner won’t leave and in this way heal your past. Unfortunately, we tend to replay the scene until we either we get it or our partner, for there own health leaves. Of course, you might pick a partner who issue is sticking around in unhealthy relationships so leaving would be the healing thing to do… but more likely you would be stuck in a codependent relationship where you are always pushing your partner away and your partner staying no matter what, and no one is happy or learns anything.
The way out of these tangled webs is ‘To know thy Self”, “Master your stories”, “Wake to your authentic self”….. Pick any wisdom tradition and the words and practices they suggest may be different but point to the same thing. Only by noticing when your setting up a scene in your story to play out and understanding why your doing it will you stop.
Peter
ParticipantHi Nichole:
Sorry for your loss and that you experience with your mother was so complicated. Its understandable that your having issues coming to terms with all the emotions and contradictions of the relationship. (Role reversals and the like)
When it comes our relationship to our mothers and fathers its indeed complex. Jung felt that one of the tasks of individuation and becoming an adult is to come to terms with the Mother/Father Complex. Often this is forced on us when we lose a parent.
The task is to take ownership of our ability to nurture and protect ourselves – in a symbolic way become our own mother and father. The difficulty is that our ability to nurture and protect ourselves has been greatly influenced by our relationship to our mother and father and sometimes we can’t separate the experience from our own abilities nurture and protect ourselves.
We take ownership by becoming conscious of our experience of our mother and our inner mother – Symbolically if we may have to overcome the ‘evil step mother’ the problem of overcoming the negative self judgment and internal dialog we might have. But even the To Good Mother must be dealt with as in this case we may have to over come a tendency to be overly trusting, naïve or the expectation that others will always nurture and take care of us.
The book ‘The Wild’ by Cheryl Strayed is a good example of coming to terms with the mother complex. Cheryl life spirals out of control when her to good mother (her idealization of her mother) died. With the loss of her mother Cheryl loss the ability to nurture herself in a positive way. It was only after Cheryl was able to see her mother as an individual, the good the bad and the ugly and not only “Mother” that she was able to connect to the positive inner mother and begin to be able to nurture herself.
Don’t be to hard on yourself as you work you way through this experience.
Peter
ParticipantHi Tannhouser
I don’t know anything about the statistics between depression, spirituality and atheism however there is indeed a lot of nonsense when it comes to talk about G_d, Religion, spiritually, humanism, even atheism… there is a lot of nonsense in the world.
Their is a fable, sorry can’t remember the details only that the lesson was to be careful about the questions you ask. There are some questions better left not being asked as once they are asked you can often find yourself falling down a “rabbit hole”
Good for you for understanding what helps and does not help you.
Peter
ParticipantHi Rai
As they say “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” – I think you know you need to cut contact with this guy. As for talking to his girl friend? I would stay out of it. You need to protect yourself and not let your self to be pulled in further into this drama power game.
Peter
ParticipantDear Jenny
I agree with Anita. I’m not aware of many people who have good under standing of the “infinite nature of love” especially as it relates to the idea’s we have about sex, intimacy and commitment. Your husband can love his friend without having sex with her. That he feels that sex is needed in order for him to express that love suggests that his understanding of the “infinite nature of love” needs more depth.
There are those that can handle a open marriage however such a thing requires really, really, really good communicators skills on all parties evolved. My observations, few have those skills and eventually all open relationships end.
Peter
ParticipantHi Katie
You may find the following book helpful: ‘When the past is present’ by david richo
Peter
ParticipantHi Maria
You appear to be very self aware as you already know that you need to deal with your anger. Believe it or not that is a big step. The clinginess and childishness that you experience as a negative is likely linked to the anger.
Something that struck me in your post was your relationship to the concepts of forgiveness and patience. Reading between the lines it seems to me that you are making the mistake of attaching your idea of forgiveness and patience to your mother. Forgiveness does not require you to repair or engage in a relationship with the person that hurt you. Sometime ‘Love’ requires a relationship to end.
Foremost forgiveness is about and for the person who was hurt and may not even require the evolvement of the person who hurt us. Following this path of forgiveness allows us to let go and detach ourselves from the experience and find patience for ourselves. You are not your experiences, you are not your memories, you are not your past….
It is very important to note that detachment is not the same as indifference. What happened to you happened, it hurt and has influenced your experiences, you are not indifferent, and you do not have to forget. (though you may want to practice ‘forgetting’ as in not dwelling which is different’) Detachment is part of the practice of detaching the sense of self, ego, identity from our experiences and or memories. You may experience the emotion of sadness or anger when a memory pops up but ‘You’ are not your emotions. You experience emotions, you are not the emotion and in this way the emotions flow through you vice getting dammed up to a point everything burst forth in a fit of anger. Does any of that make sense?
Heal your relationship to forgiveness and you will heal yourself.
Peter
ParticipantWhen it comes to inner experiences and memory time is an illusion (and a trickster). Here the past, present and future exist together, are part of each other, and happen at the same time.
This nostalgia, this longing for yesterday, longing for home isn’t happening in the past its occurring now, in the present. The past that you are remembering, this act of remembering is now. You aren’t stuck in the past you are suck in the now.
The problem is memory. It is likely that this memory you labelled “four years ago” has been idealized. Meanings and purposes attached that only exist in hind sight and can and will change in the next remembering.
The feeling of nostalgia can become a trap or a door. A trap if you stay stuck in the illusion, becoming that old angry guy always talking about how good things used to be. Or a door, a reminder to your sense of self that the Self seeks to find and return to its authentic self. That the path you are on is not who you are, it’s a path. A path that will change and lead you places you have yet to dream of.
In the words of T.S Eliot – “We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.” – T. S. Eliot
You see we are always seeking home, longing for home… even as we have a problem recognizing it as home, but that two is part of the path. Don’t get stuck in the illusion of past memory. Take what you learned, pick a direction and see what lies over the next hill. You will find your way home… your already there.
Peter
ParticipantHi Lauren
From what you have written I don’t think you are over reacting. Its possible that he is doesn’t realise the uncomfortable situations he often places you in however that is not an excuse as it suggests he is taking your friendship for granted.
As a guy, and ashamed that I have also done something similar to a friend in the past, its also possible that a part of him likes not quite letting you go and keeping you guessing. A kind of ego power trip thing. Either way he is not “seeing” you.
If you truly don’t have any romantic feelings for the guy, or any expectations as a friend you could try to just maintain a work relationship. Let him know you are not willing to talk about personal matters, and you may want to find someone else to car pool with.
Peter
ParticipantHi Jay
Ouch that is a difficult situation to be in.
Two things I noted.
The tendency to compare ourselves with others is never helpful and a bad habit to get into. If your working in the practice, letting go of such comparisons and learning to love yourself without comparison is a good place to start.
The second thing is the speculation that you can know what another person is thinking, or motives are. You can’t. The rule of charity states that if there are multiple possibility’s behinds someone actions and you cannot be sure which is true, pick the story (it is a story until you confirm it) that is most compassionate. Pick the story that does you the least harm. The other option is to talk to this person and ask them straight out if there is any ulterior motives to their interactions to you. That would take a great deal of courage and understandable if you decide not to, however if you decide not to, again choose the better story and in this way let it go.
Peter
ParticipantYour story especially as it relates to the self-help movement propensity to focus one-sidedly on the positive reminds me of the story heard of a sparrow trapped in an empty grain silo.
There was enough grain and water to survive but the sparrow was stuck and wanted out. Each morning the sparrow would look up and see light shining though various cracks in the silo. Frantically the sparrow would fly towards some light coming through the crack hoping to find a way out, however they where never big enough for the sparrow to find freedom. Flying from one light to the next, at the end of the day the sparrow lay exhausted and frustrated on the floor of the silo. One morning instead of look up the sparrow looked down and noticed air coming through a hole in the floor. Though afraid as it was very dark, the sparrow entering the hole which required going down a ways but at the bottom the tunnel started going upwards until the sparrow from itself free of the silo and out in the open air.
This has matched my experience.
The movement to improve oneself is great however its important to remember that sure it’s the tree branches and leaves that reach upwards to the light that reveals its beauty, but it is its roots that drive deep into the darkness that also bring in nutrients but more importantly stability, especially in times of bad weather.
Just one thing about the experience of purpose. I am convinced that the experience of purpose is about what you do but being seen. It is when we are ’seen’ by others and or by ourselves that we experience purpose and meaning. After a divorce it would be natural to feel that we are not seen and so feel life as lacking purpose and meaning. So in my opinion Purpose isn’t about looking upwards but downward, looking first to see ourselves and then open up to allow others to see us.
Sometimes the way out isn’t up but down.
August 27, 2018 at 12:25 pm in reply to: I think I need a rebrith. I believe I need to change myself completelty. #223273Peter
ParticipantHi KP
This may sound trite however Henry Ford was correct when he said – “The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”
If you are doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different outcome, repeating what you measure as being the same mistakes over and over again then you need to step back and ask yourself why. From the list you provided its clear you know what you want and also clear that you have some level of self awareness of what is keeping you from achieving your goals. – Laziness and perfectionism.
Perfectionism can be an excise for laziness. If I can’t be perfect, why try? An excuse to perfectly avoid risk and failure, which is what perfectionism amounts to – a fear of failing and change. And like all such fears it creates itself, failure. (he mistake we make over and over again) Its possible then that your goals are not goals but dreams, if only’s, fantasy that you don’t really intend to work towards.
In your title you mention the idea a rebirth. A practice of mindfulness and meditation might help you center yourself. At some level each breath we take is a rebirth, every inhale life every exhale a death, every breath a possibility of reincarnation. You are not your thoughts, you are not your memories, you are not your emotions, you are not your judgments, you are not your body…
Peter
ParticipantHi Mary
Of course our relationship to our idea and experience of love has many layers.. family , friendship, romantic, self… Universial
The commandment to love our neighbor as ourselves, at first glance seems straight forward, yet what does it mean to love ourselves and how does that relate to how we love others. When you look at what it means to love how fortunate we are that the command was not to like our neighbor as ourselves. We can love someone we do not like, even those that who hurt us (even if that means the relationship end… and if we understand love) so much more difficult to like someone we do not love.
I feel that is what we work for in the practice, I feel that is how we love ourselves even when we don’t always like ourselves. In such a state of being we are “nice” because that is who we are, our authentic selves, and being authentic enough.
Just finished a book called -Touching the World A Blind Woman Two Wheels 25000 Miles – about a motorcycle road trip around the world. Everywhere they went they were told to be careful, the people in such a such nation were bad and yet they found that everywhere they went people were people just like them.
Taped to the bikes windshield was a note: What you see depends on what you look for. By the end of their travels they added the word mostly, the were not blind to the reality of the road, yet at a personal level it proved true over and over. When they needed help, help was their, when they needed kindness, kindness was their. Crossing the world it was a authentic smile, a wave and good hummer more then anything helped them navigate their way through.
My experience has been the same, the car goes where the eyes go.
Peter
ParticipantShe’s standing somewhere and I approach to talk to her, telling her that I don’t want to leave college not being on speaking terms with her. She gives me this contemptuous, disdainful look (as she sometimes did after our growing apart) and says it is common knowledge what a lying hypocrite I am.
In dream interpretation the people we dream about can represent attributes of the dreamer. (the image of your ex is projected into the dream via your unconscious so is almost always about the dreamer. Dreams communicate via images that mean something to the dream and can point to areas in the dreamer’s life that the unconscious wishes to make conscious. Making the issue conscious will end the dream)
The question to ask yourself is what associations (words) come to mind that your ex might symbolize. Love lost, Contempt, hypocrisy’s…. How might those associations relate to leaving college: Associations to the word/symbol College, what you learned, your expectation of how life should work… what you imagined you would be, do
If this were my dream I would wonder if there wasn’t some tension between what I was taught and how life is presenting itself.
Do I trust the idea of Love? Are there any areas in my life were my actions don’t match my values? Am I trying to force life to conform to how I was taught it should be, want it to be? Could this dissidence be impacting relationships and or my expectations of love? -
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