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November 7, 2017 at 1:53 pm in reply to: I want to achieve nirvana, but there is one thing I want to know. #176909
Peter
ParticipantNirvana is not a place but a state of existence/being. I suspect it’s a state of being where one is conscious of the unconscious and thus awakened to the All. Being awakened/conscious to what you are unconscious off is of course a paradox but as the Buddha taught anything we might say or imagine about nirvana will be wrong. “Nirvana is beyond space, time, and definition, and so language is by definition inadequate to discuss it. It can only be experienced.”
I suspect that such an experience liberates a person from the suffering of the problem of opposites and cycle of birth, death and rebirth of karmic tendencies. In the present that would be freedom from repeating patterns that keep us stuck and stuck dissatisfied with life.
We work for that which no work is required – we get in our own way. I suspect that the experience expands perspective of not just a knowing but living life as it is and discovering we can say Yes to it as it is. Yes to all of life as it is and know that it is LOVE! All of it, the good the bad and the ugly (there is no good, bad or ugly). Wrap you being around that possibility of Yes and know it as Love and you start to sense everything how everything is connected. In such a state, there is no place for stress or dissatisfaction.
Peter
ParticipantA definition of the term ‘Spiritualty’: noun – the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. the shift in priorities allows us to embrace our spirituality in a more profound way”
Belief in or not believing in a deity is not necessary connected to one’s spirituality.
I think its important to remember that there are stages to faith and faith is not the something as belief. The examination of Deity and the concept of ‘The Good’ is one such stage
Reading through your post You seem to have equated your expectation of ‘the good’ and projected it onto a deity that is out there… somewhere in space and outside yourself. When you describe the deity he/she/it sounds like an alien being of some sort. If such an alien being existed we would in deed be screwed as we could be nothing by playthings to such a being and it would be highly unlikely that we would worship he/she/it showed up on earth one day.
I would challenge you to remove all associations you might have with words like God, Deity, Faith, Love, the Good… doing so you may discover the map, what you learned to think about such matters, is not the territory and that the journey will lead you in unexpected ways
November 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm in reply to: Can't remember the last time I felt this overwhelmed… #176765Peter
Participant“Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.” John Lennon – I don’t intend to come off as trite however there is a great deal of truth to that.
It is understandable that you are feeling as you do as your taking on a lot in this moment and stage of life.
If possible when you start feeling this way take a breath and notice how your awareness has become fixated on fear. Try not to judge this fixation just notice. Imagine pulling back your awareness to outer perspective and from this space observe the fear. Notice that it’s the fixation and not the fear that has causing you the stress. In the past you have always dealt with the challenges that have come your way so there is no reason to believe that you won’t continue to do so. Notice that the fears you are imagining are just that imagined. With hindsight notice how most of your fears have been False Evidence Appearing Real (F.E.A.R). Take another breath, notice that life continues and flows despite our worries. Let these moments of stress flow and doing so choosing what your awareness is directed towards.
Peter
ParticipantThat old black magic got me in a spell… I relate to that empty feeling of feeling empty. In my case I think coming from the sense of not living my potential. Never putting that potential to the test.
Anyway, my opinion on change is that the only way to “change” the way we feel is to accept the way we feel when we feel it. (Not an acceptance as in a giving up or resignation kind of way but away of experiencing and letting the moment flow to the next.
Most of what you posted centered on fear. F.E.A.R. is almost always False Evidence Appearing Real and you will find that if you honestly evaluate your fears that they are things that never happen. Products of a fixated consciousness that doesn’t takes is eyes off the “evidence”. A step in overcome our fears and fixations it is learning how to direct our consciousness and choose what we pay attention to.
You may also find learning about the role cognitive dissonance/distortions plays in the stories you are living out. It is my opinion that we become the stories we tell ourselves. Or at least they play a very important part in our sense of self. I think if you look at the stories you are telling yourself that you will find allot of cognitive dissonance. Learning to identify the distortions is a required step to moving forward. Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway
Peter
ParticipantI do know the as above so below thing and so far it hasn’t helped me in this situation. Yes you can turn around give someone you hate a hug but if the person is not worthy of it and they’re just going to use that to their advantage I say screw hugging your enemy as I’ve suffered enough.
You misunderstand the perspective of Love I’ve challenged you with as well as the riddle. Love does not require you to hug a person or blindly accept anything that they do. Far from it. Love requires that you do not pretend and hug a person you feel is unworthy. Love requires that we hold people accountable. If we do not, nothing we or they do can have meaning or purpose. Sometimes Love may even require that a personal relationship end.
You can end a relationship out of anger, fear, hate or from a place of love. The difference is where the action of ending a relationship comes from and its my opinion that the difference is very important as either choice will change who you are.
If you end a relationship out of hate you will remain tense, angry, always looking for justifications to re-fire and justify the hatred and ending. Ending a relationship from a perspective of love there is no need for justifications, there is no need for continued engagement, no need for revenge. Its not about your sister its about who you are and hope to be.
You have a lot of hurdles to overcome in your journey of becoming your best self. Such is the hero’s Journey. You can remain fixated on the things you can’t change, envious of everyone’s else imagined good fortune, the unfairness of it all, and doing so allow outer influences to determine who you become. Or you can say enough. These are the challenges I face and I will face them, these challenges are just that challenges nothing more… I will not allow them to change me in ways I don’t wish to be changed.
Peter
ParticipantYou can’t change your sister however you can continue to work on yourself
You indicated that you must fight to get some peace which suggests to me that you’re aggressively engaging in the issues with your sister.
It is of course an irony that one fights for peace. You can fight as in go to war for peace but wars come at a huge cost to oneself and the lives of others. Or you can fight to find inner peace.
There is a hermetic riddle: As above so below, as below so above. As above so below – we allow ourselves to be influenced by outward factors. As below so above – we influence our outer experience by becoming the change we hope to see. Both truths are at play in every moment. The person at peace is awake to how they are influencing and being influenced. It is possible though not the goal (you can’t change others) that by finding inner peace that you influence your sister to become more conscious of how her actions affect those that love her. I know probably not what you wanted to hear
You also said that “Things always seem easy for everyone else”. I can guarantee you that you are correct in using the word “seems”. We can never know another’s thoughts, experiences, or troubles. The path to peace means letting such judgments go and stopping the comparison we make based on what we imagine other experiences are. Peace exists in the moment that you allow it to exist.
Lastly Hate is a strong word and words hove power so I might challenge you with the idea that you can love a person and still not like what they do. You can love and still hold them accountable for there actions. (it would not be love if you didn’t). This change of perspective may sound as if is semantics but I think its more then that. Only in Love will lead to the experience peace that you hope for.
Peter
ParticipantWhat if choosing to live inauthenticity is being authentic to one self?
Maybe it comes down to perspective and where you measure such things. If you authentically accept yourself does it matter how others know or don’t know you. Sure, it may be nice to have the acceptance of those you are closest to but is it needed to be authentic?
Does choosing to come out or not to due to fear or society response make you anymore or less authentically you? Maybe its just too many labels or not the right question that has got you down
Peter
ParticipantEvery time I have a day where I feel I’m rebounding to my old self something happens to break me.
You are at an age of transition. Moving from one stage of life into another. Life/Love asks of us, sometimes demands of us, that we grow and if we resist we might experience a lack of energy and emotional fortitude. What your experiencing may be related to wanting things to remain the same but different. (Your family unconsciously may want you to stay the same)
You want to rebound to your old self while at the same time wanting a new self and new experiences so not surprisingly easy to break.
In this stage of life its ok for you to rediscover yourself with the understanding that the validation you seek may not come from your family. It would be nice and in time they might understand however you don’t have to wait for that. Its time to create new boundaries. No need to rebound to your old self when a new self is waiting for you. “You can’t step in the same river twice” anyway
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ParticipantThe thought of wanting to stop the world and get off is normal at times, as is wanting to die when we are stuck. Such thoughts become dangerous when we stop seeing them as our desire to change and grow and instead act on them as an end in them selves.
You appear to know your in trouble so need to talk to someone. Preferably a professional.
Friends and Family mean well however they tend are connected to how they need us to be so talk of wanting to die may/will scare them. It is so difficult to know what to say when someone we care about tells us they want to die. What if we say the wrong thing… are we responsible… maybe we might even feel angry at being put into the situation and react to that…. Best to seek professional help
Peter
ParticipantI think your right. The place to start to move forwarded may be with forgiveness and doing so perhaps refrain your story
Forgiveness is an Art – especially when it comes to forgiving ourselves, which is always entangled with our ability to forgive others. We forgive others as we forgive ourselves.
Very much recommend the book ‘The Art of Forgiving’ by Lewis B. Smedes
Also Clarissa Pinkola Estes tells a story ‘the Crescent Moon Bear’ which is about forgiveness and can be found in her book, ‘Women Who Run with the Wolves’ Or in audio CD “Theater of the Imagination”. (Yes, the book intended target is women but men can learn a great deal from it as well. Especially when one embraces symbolic language and doing so realize that the symbolic words masculine and feminine are not about gender. The symbols are informed by gender but do not represent a gender)
According to Clarissa there are Four Stages to Forgiveness:
to forgo – move forward, don’t let what happened stop you from living your truth
to forbear – to abstain from punishing – holding yourself and others accountable but as punishment.
to forget – and in do not dwell – We don’t forget what happened to us instead we do not dwell
to forgive – finding a place of being able to say yes to the experience As It Was without attachment.
Peter
ParticipantMy own experience on dealing with loss and how to “gain back happiness” was to understand that happiness wasn’t a something that we gained or lost but ‘a something’ that is experienced in the moment when we notice. We are surprised by joy, surprised by happiness. The key to be surprised is to remain open to possibility. I think that is how we move forward and live life in the present moment as it is, life as it is, and find that we can say Yes to our experiences.
The following link connects to many good talks on dealing with loss http://www.crazygoodgrief.com/the-best-ted-talks-on-grief-growth/
Peter
ParticipantTo clarify when I mentioned the practice. I was talking about something that we work on in the moment and not only when we set time aside and meditate. Mediation is where we practice the practice while practice is an intention we set in each moment we experience.
When you become aware of your consciousness becoming fixated on the past, memory, fear, wall…. you pull it back, create space, breathe and see it for what it is, the past that does not need to have any influence on the present.
“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality”. -Seneca
Peter
Participant“At the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time.” – T. S. Eliot quotes .
I was hoping that just maybe you would be able to avoid the exploration of the past and realize that you are already home. (isn’t that what ended up happening after your break? You discovered that together you were home? … Yet something remains undone…)
On the face of it, it ought to be as easy as saying yes to the past as it was and move forward into the present. Instead letting go becomes a difficult process to work though… we work for that which no work is required.
I very much relate to what your saying DP. When we become fixated on a thought or memory/past it can become a habit that we can’t look away from and so demands healing in the present.
We are broken and a function of relationships is to heal ourselves. In your situation because you can’t yet take your eyes off the “wall” (that you are afraid of crashing into) there is something that you have yet to learn so you may need to understand how the past is in the present and what to do about it. Really do recommend the book ‘When the past is in the Present’
Other questions you may want to consider. Why can’t you take your eyes off the “wall”? Are you afraid of being happy? Do you have a tendency to work against the things you want? Is their a past hurt your trying to heal… are you trying to push your partner away while at the same time hoping that they won’t go… recreating a past hurt in the hopes of healing it now?
Peter
ParticipantMemory is a trickster. As you mentioned what you remember is hazy. Yet you are judging your past from the perspective on what you have learned years latter. Your 12-year-old self didn’t know what you know now so judging her by what you know now is unskillful. We all feel regret for some past action or other, but all the regret in the world isn’t going to change the past. The best we can do is that when we learn better we do better.
Its clear you have learned something about yourself from the experience and realise that such actions are not who you are or want to be… so I don’t see the point on remaining fixated on the memory.
Peter
ParticipantI am unable to shake off her past
“In racing, they say that your car goes where your eyes go. The driver who cannot tear his eyes away from the wall as he spins out of control will meet that wall; the driver who looks down the track as he feels his tires break free will regain control of his vehicle.”- Garth Stein
The practice is learning how to direct one’s consciousness and pull it back to the ‘still point’ when it becomes fixated on some thought or memory… especially those connected to fear and uncertainty.
If you want the relationship to continue then let the past go and focus your awareness on gratitude for the relationship you have now. It really is that straight forward. There is no try only do… no need to torture yourself our you partner.
Recommend the book: When the Past Is Present: Healing the Emotional Wounds that Sabotage our Relationships Paperback – by David Richo
We all have a tendency to transfer potent feelings, needs, expectations, and beliefs from childhood or from former relationships onto the people in our daily lives, whether they are our intimate partners, friends, or acquaintances.
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