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  • #194891
    RoxySue
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    Thank you Mark!  You too. Thanks for all of your wonderful insight. You definitely helped me take a stand with him.

    #194867
    RoxySue
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    ….and Mark, you are right. I do not think he is honest with himself at all. I see a therapist and she said the same exact thing. That is so frustrating to me…how someone can lie to themselves and let something go like that. He told me he does not believe in following his heart at all. He has to follow with his head.

    #194865
    RoxySue
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    Yes, you are both spot on Mark and Anita. It has definitely been push-pull the entire time. And, I went along with it. I became attached.  The relationship propelled me to leave a marriage in which I was not happy. I had a tough time letting go of him for the two years and each time I was “waiting” for him to “hopefully” change his mind. That is what push-pull does unless  you are strong enough to stop it, which I was not.  So,  at some point, I had to have faith in the people who do love me, who have been telling me for two years this is not healthy and bad for my self-esteem, and I should leave him. So, this time, I told him not to contact me. And I know he will not. He is a passive guy. If he wants it over, then it needs to be over. And, he can’t contact me so I get my hopes up. So, I do miss him and am sad. Part of me wants to keep in touch with him, but I know if we do, the first time he reaches out to me, I will get my hopes up and then wonder when the next contact will come after that, which probably would only be around a few times per week and that will frustrate me. It is very hard to go backwards. Worse, we would end up sleeping with each other and the same cycle will happen again.

    All of that aside, what he said to me when he was leaving last weekend was to me cruel and he finally (believe it or not) crossed a boundary.

    #194747
    RoxySue
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    As a follow-up the night he said that to me, he had a few drinks. That was his excuse. I don’t buy it because usually when people drink, chances are the truth comes out. Anyhow, I do miss him, but I am also hurt that he does not love me. So it is a conflict of emotions. I miss not talking to him so part of me wants to keep in contact. But I fear it may just take me down the same path I was on.

    ** also, please excuse the missing punctuation in the prior post…for some reason the period was not working well.

     

    #194745
    RoxySue
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    Thank you Anita and everyone for your responses. I have an update. So the week after he came over, he kept in touch. So again the next Saturday night, (naively) thinking there was a chance to get things back to normal, I had him come over. Things were great again and I felt very close to him. Then as he walked out the door he turned to me and told me “not to read to much into this” and that “nothing has changed” but “we’re still friends”. I asked him to leave. It felt like someone had punched me in the gut.  He apologized for saying that several times. He never really said he didn’t mean it, just that he shouldn’t have said it. It was heartless and demeaning to say that to someone you have spent two years with and was close to…at least what I thought.

    So the next Monday and Tuesday nights he ends up at the gym location I go to  He usually goes to another location.  He exercised with me, showed me how to use many weighthts, staying after with me for an hour to help train me   The next night he showed up again  same thing  he left after to get some dinner alone and did not ask me to join him though  then I did not hear from him for two days  On the third morning I texted him and told him that the last two times we were together he made it clear it was purely physical. So the next time he is planning on texting me it will be to have an adult mature relationship with me or let me go completely meaning no contact.  We texted a little that night then said goodnight and that was it  i have not heard from him since  I am terribly upset  but I feel like I did he right thing.  He didn’t want to be with me right now, so why should I continue to sleep with him and get my hopes up each time he reached out to say hello.  I hope it gets better.  It is just very hard to say goodbye to someone like this.

     

    #192753
    RoxySue
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    Hi Anita- thank you for your reply and for your insight.  He has been honest in his statements to me, that’s true. He just has not been very sensitive. I also think I just need to come to terms with the fact that he does not want me. And that’s okay. It does not feel great but I don’t take it personally. It has been two years and he keeps defaulting to the same story. And he pulls back and/or ends things with me after we have a stretch of time where we had a good time.

    Thank you so much!!

    #191923
    RoxySue
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    Dear Livy,

    The more you tell me, the more I see the similarities.  I too was told I was “intimidating” and he was scared to communicate with me.  Sadly, eventually, what did happen, was that I did become intimidating and scary to communicate with. It is hard for a man (or woman) to confront that they may have intimacy issues. And, what I found was that I was compassionate at the beginning, but over the years, I became more and more impatient, as I saw my life slipping away. I was getting older and I wanted to be able to have some years left to salvage whatever piece of womanhood I had left. I ended up getting cancer a few years ago and that really hit me in the face that we have one life (as far as I know) and one chance to have the type of love that enhances our desire to feel beautiful and wanted. And, that is OKAY to want to feel that way…women who are wanted and desired by their partners do not always understand the emptiness we feel. And, I can tell you, from my own experience, and from others with whom I have spoken going through similar things, it does not change. You cannot force someone to change or feel something that they do not. And in saying that I am by no means saying there is anything about you that is causing it because most of the time, their resistance come from deep-rooted issues from childhood, which require confronting and serious change from within.

    I want to tell you that if I were you I would try to extricate myself from the relationship, encourage him to get the help he needs if he wants to, of course. In the meantime, you can work on yourself (and some of the other issues in your life, as well – note, I had co-dependency issues bc of some of my family dynamics, e.g, not receiving the love I wanted from my dad…so settling for a relationship where extracting love from my spouse felt very familiar to me…maybe take a look at how your family dynamics play a part in your willingness to stay in a situation in which you feel like a part of love is missing), and regroup in a year or so, to see where you are.

    If he does the work, then maybe you can reconnect…you are young still. But, I know this is hard to do if you do not feel it in your heart. But, what I do not want to happen is for your self-confidence and sense of womanhood to get chipped away and eroded over time. Even though intellectually you may be told that it has nothing to do with you (as I was…I happen to be very attractive physically, but it does not even matter bc I felt inadequate), if you feel undesired and rejected by your partner, it erodes your core.  And when you say that it kills you to say that a lack of a love life can so easily tear things apart, it kills me too. But think about it this way…it is a LOVE life. That is what separates it from a friendship or roommates. Feeling loved in the way you want to receive it is important and you are worthy of having that.

    I found this quote from an article I read on the subject: If one partner is more apathetic than the other in this regard (emotional and physical intimacy), it can impact self-confidence and passion in other areas of life. Feeling unloved and undesirable pushes the less apathetic partner into a corner of inner pain and loneliness.

    Also…this was blog post on the subject: As a wife/woman, I want to be wanted. While I understand the no-pressure communication tactics here, I feel hurt and embarrassed enough already that my husband has so little drive for me. Initiation on my part, I have found often results in polite forms of rejection. Even when I do not initiate at all, the rejections come via body language and other subtle ways indicating that he would not be responsive. The subtle messages make for a lack of free flow of intimate expression. My husband was a kind, supportive, great friend to me, but I was terribly wounded by being kept at bay in this area. For me, it is so much more than the sex act itself. It is the closeness and intimacy that I need. I love you and I want to show you love. Inside of our relationship is where I should be safe to feel uninhibited and desirable.  Instead I feel stifled, rejected, hurt and sometimes shameful.

    This is what eventually happened to me…and I lost a lot of good years of my life worrying about being rejected from my own spouse. I am sorry for the long response, but I wish I could make you see that, if having romantic love is important to you, this type of dynamic is insidious and will permeate other areas of your life, making it even more difficult to deal with some of the other issues you have going on. So, as I said, maybe you could consider either ending it or at a minimum, taking a break to get yourselves together and if he does do the work, check in after a certain period of time to see how things going.

    xo

     

     

    #191889
    RoxySue
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    I do feel like I am being “dumped”, but if history repeats itself, he will be back, meaning I suspect in a week or so, he will reach out to me with some type of innuendo, which will eventually turn into our getting together.  That is how it tends to work. He has been in and out for two years…

    So yes, he is honest, but he also always leaves the door open a crack to keep me hanging on. He gives me some sort of carrot to keep my hopes up a little, like saying he has feelings for me and cares about me and wants to be with me after his divorce (in whatever capacity that may be). I feel like he wants to put the minimum in to see how much he can get.  I also do not understand how he can be in love with his wife if he has not made an effort to get back with her all the while having an affair with me.  He could have spent all that time he was spending with me pursuing her. I feel like he wants her now that she has said she does not want to work on things. He wants what he cannot have.

    He talked about the fact that I had dated throughout these past few years and he did not. He did not understand why I “need” a man. I disagreed and said that I do not need a man, but rather am open to having a real relationship with someone and when he said he was not, I dated others to see if I could find someone who was also open to possibilities.  Therefore, it is not that I need a commitment, but, Anita, you are correct in that I do want a man who is capable of one should that be something that I ultimately want.

    Last night he stopped by to pick something up and I guess to say goodbye. He came in and picked up the guitar, played me some music, then he laid back on me and we watched some humorous videos together. After two hours, I was thinking that maybe he just had a bad day the other day when he said he wanted to be alone during this time. He was not acting like a man who wanted to end things. And, this has happened before …he ends things then we continue like nothing happened. So after a longer evening, before he left, he reminded me he wanted to be alone now. I am so angry about that. I am angry that I allowed myself to get sucked into his affection and he ended up getting what he wanted before he confirmed that he was still moving forward. So, while he is honest, I feel like that was insensitive and playing with my emotions.

     

     

    #191871
    RoxySue
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    Dear Livy- I feel like I could have written your post. Prior to my current relationship, which a few of he posters on here are aware of, I was in a 26 year relationship almost identical to the one you are in now. The signs appeared very early. We were in therapy the first two years we were together even before we got engaged. I was young – 22 when we met. We ended up getting married and the problems never went away, despite how badly he felt about it. He didn’t seem to want to want me. You see what I am saying? It one thing to have issues either medical or psychological that prevented him from wanting me, but the fact that he didn’t seem to care enough to try  to make a change was the part that was damaging. And similar to your situation, we would go in cycles. It would get better for a spell then revert back. It got to the point where my confidence as a woman was completely destroyed. I did not feel emotionally safe with this man because I was always afraid of being rejected. After such a long time of not feeling desired, I felt undesirable. It took me 26 years to see the light and get out to save myself and my sense of womanhood. He may have had psychological issues and/or medical issues,  but eventually it became ingrained in our dynamic. And he just didn’t seem interested. I don’t want you to waste all those years like I did not feeling like the woman you want to feel like. I am 49 years old and starting over. I am now in another relationship which is now physically gratifying but emotionally depleted. The dynamic in my marriage affected me deeper than I could have imagined.  And I realize that it is all on me that I should have left when I saw the signs.  But regardless the bottom line is the way in which I receive love is different from how he wants to give it.

    Feel free to write back with questions.  There is a lot more I am happy to share because your situation sounds eerily similar.

    xo

     

    #191863
    RoxySue
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    So as a postscript, his wife said at the her moment she does not want to work on things so he asked her if she wanted a divorce and she told him to do what he wants. So he is moving forward with filing in the next month or two, but he is not sure what she will do …that is, if she will realize it’s actually happening and come back. He says he is not sure if she really wants it to happen.   He also says he is not sure what he will do if she stops him from filing and wants to work on things. I asked him if he is filing for divorce to call her bluff (test her) and he says no. He feels like he can’t be with anyone at this time. He is confused and needs to get through this time alone. He would like me there if  he gets divorced, so things can be in the open, but he doesn’t want me to wait. He also said that consistent with what he said at the beginning of this almost two years ago, that right now he doesn’t think he wants a full on relationship regardless of the situation with his wife.  So even when he is single he will want to date me but may not want a committed situation. He doesn’t know when he will want that.

    Per Mark, I suppose I need to cut him out for good…

    #190139
    RoxySue
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    Thank you all so much for your insightful advice. I have had some more discussions with him: “Yes I do have feelings for you and I do care about you absolutely, but I’m not interested in working on, or being focus on a relationship at this point in my life I could take or leave that part , I am human I have developed feelings for you I’m not heartless”

    Regarding his wife: “And also you know how I feel about my marriage, you’re very clear on that I haven’t heard anything from you that’s also something you need to take into consideration moving forward for yourself. At some point I will not do that I know I have to move forward whatever that may be I will never stop loving her I don’t know if I will ever stop being in love with her but I will stop fighting for her”

    This is what I expected to hear and as Michelle remarked: The writing is on the wall.

    Thank you all! You are remarkable.

    #188367
    RoxySue
    Participant

    Thank you everyone for your replies. I have decided that I’m going to at the very least tell him I cannot be a secret any longer. That part feels very demeaning to me. It feels like I am not worth the risk of possible negative consequences. I feel like I am not a priority. A few times he had said he couldn’t get together (I am the one who is always instigating the plans) because he had to clean his bathroom or was unsure if he wanted to do anything but wanted to stay home.

    All in all I feel like he is getting what he wants out of me with as little effort as possible.

    #188131
    RoxySue
    Participant

    Yes Mark that’s right. And even though he has not ruled a future out, it has been two years and at some point the future is now.

    #188049
    RoxySue
    Participant

    Thank you!  I have gone back and forth as to whether it is fine status quo.  And it is not that he says there is no future, he has said he does not know when and if it will happen. He may never want a committed relationship.  That is really rolling the dice. I know there are no guarantees … I guaranteed my husband I would stay married to him.  But, there should at least be a shared intention or goal. The relationship is very unbalanced and that is what concerns me the most. He just told me the other day, he does not care what I do…if I see other people or not. Those are tough words to hear after being with someone for two years. Sadly, he has said that he says that bc he doesn’t have room in his life to feel jealous (bc he gets extremely jealous) – so he needs to shut down. I feel like he is 45 years old and walls are a little juvenile. I don’t know.

    #188025
    RoxySue
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    Thank you all for your responses! That all make so much sense. Anita- i understand what you are saying he issue is how long do I wait. It’s been two years. He also has told me he doesn’t care what I do, is still in love with his wife and could give or take a relationship. Sometimes these words hurt even though I know he really does care. I think if I felt like a priority in his life, I would be more inclined to wait longer. It’s a tough one because everything that all of you have said makes sense!

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