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October 17, 2023 at 1:42 pm in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #423485TeeParticipant
Dear Dafne,
thank you so much for your good wishes and your empathy <3
I can understand what you’re going through. For me it was also a mixture of health related issues, emotional struggles with the past & fears for the future.
Yes, exactly! Health issues brought about the emotional struggle and the fear for the future (and a sense of hopelessness). Thank you for understanding me and summarizing it so well!
Recently, my best friend lost her life at a very young age and there was nothing that could be done. We were closer than some family members can ever be. Also my 2 beloved uncles passed away (Covid related) and left a big whole in my life.
I am so sorry about the loss of your friend at a young age. And losing your two uncles, whom you cared about a lot. That must have been devastating 🙁
In terms of friends, I am similar to you – I only have a couple of really good friends and they are in my home country, so we don’t meet often. But those are deep bonds, going back to my childhood. I must say my husband is my best friend, so I do have support and it means a lot, specially in times of hardship.
About your date, you might want to give him a chance. True, he isn’t pursuing you, but from what you’ve written about him, I don’t see red flags, except maybe that he was married and divorced 3 times. That can be a problem – if he hasn’t learned anything from his previous relationships and keeps repeating the same mistakes. However, it seems he has learned something: that he was “working too much before and neglecting his ex wife and his health.”
So if he mentioned his ex-wife in the context of a lesson learned, and not in the context of “I want her back”, then it’s not necessarily a red flag. He might have realized that he should pay more attention to the woman in his life, and also that he should pay more attention to his health (because when he didn’t, it lead to a heart attack).
He had a heart attack and now is obsessed with his health and focused on himself. It is good that he is looking after himself now but is there any space for someone new?
There should be. If he has learned a lesson that he should pay more attention to his partner, then there should be space for both you (as his potential partner) and him and his health, his hobbies etc. If on the other hand the only thing he talks about is his health and/or his ex-wife, that would be a red flag.
Also he is in a good contact with his ex wife’s son from her previous marriage. Maybe with her too?
Well, that’s his stepson, and it’s actually a good thing that he keeps in touch with him. It’s okay if he cares about his stepson. It doesn’t necessarily mean he also has feelings for his ex wife. In any case, you don’t know it yet, you’d need to find out.
I told him politely that I want to focus now on creating life with someone new and not live their past. He should learn from it by now. It was a bit emotionally draining for me…
I understand. It could be that he was really talking too much about his past and not showing much interest in you, or it could be that you felt unseen by him, due to your childhood wound of feeling unseen. If it’s the latter, you might have felt neglected and it might have felt emotionally draining. What do you feel happened? Do you think you were triggered, or he did talk extensively about his ex, while not showing interest in you?
Before I ,met’ you, I was not aware that a parent can have such a tremendous impact on a child’s future romantic life and long term health.
Unfortunately yes, our childhood and upbringing have a huge impact on us, because that’s when we learn about love and life. If we had emotionally abusive or neglectful parents, we learn that there is something wrong with us, that we are unlovable and unworthy. That’s of course a lie, but the child always thinks it’s their fault when the parents don’t give them the love and appreciation they need. So we always blame ourselves… and we carry that blame and a negative self-image into our adulthood.
We need to move on somehow but what if we never succeed to forget and forgive? What if this anxiety and fear won’t go away for good? It is so hard to fill that void inside…
I know, Dafne. I’d lived with the void (of feeling unlovable) for many years. Until I’ve started working on myself and learning that I am indeed lovable, and eventually until I started getting in touch with my inner child. Who desperately needed to be loved. That’s how that void got filled – by giving love to my inner child.
The worst thing is that they won’t change and will only hurt us more and more.
Yes, unfortunately our parents will rarely admit that they’ve made a mistake with our upbringing. There are those who do, but they are rare. But the good thing is that we don’t need our parents to admit that they’ve hurt us. We can heal without their admission and without their apology. We can heal, we can even learn to forgive them (but also keep our boundaries not to be hurt again), and move on. We can be free from that old baggage.
He messed up my life well enough and now wants to continue. It also seems like he is not doing well financially right now and complains a lot about money. I can’t trust anything he says and his intention with me. Could it be that bad?
Yeah, I am afraid it could. There are many selfish people out there, who are also parents, but they’re not good parents. Your father is not a good parent, but a selfish one, who doesn’t care much about you and your well-being. It’s not your fault, you haven’t deserved any of it, but unfortunately that’s what you have to deal with.
It’s pretty humiliating that you need to ask for permission from his ex-wife if you want to visit him. Their whole arrangement is a weird one – keeping the house together and then her staying there from time to time. Anyway, it’s good that you told him you don’t want to get involved in their mess (to use your words: “It is really messy”).
Also, it’s good you told him that parents usually gift (or leave) the land to their children, rather than selling it. I guess he needs money, and so he doesn’t care about not leaving you anything. He is just continuing his old neglectful behavior (He never supported us emotionally or financially in any way.) He hasn’t changed or learned anything, unfortunately.
Thank you Tee for opening my eyes for another abuse from him. He is using the spiritual talk as an excuse for his bad or non existent parenting and avoiding any responsibility. And he is doing nothing to make up for all those years.
You are welcome. Yeah, I am familiar with spiritual gaslighting – using spirituality to excuse being an a**hole. Well, I hope you won’t fall for it any longer and will see things more clearly. It’s probably going to hurt to see your father for who he really is, but please, know it’s not your fault, and that you can heal and get out of this stronger!
I hope something will change in our life very soon. I pray for us and that we are strong enough to stay on this Earth and be able to enjoy it
Thank you so much, Dafne. I too am praying for our strength and to be able to enjoy our lives, and have less pain, be it emotional or physical.
I am rooting for you, Dafne! <3
TeeParticipantHey SereneWolf,
thanks for your quick reply and a warm welcome, I appreciate it!
I do know that you’re very strong & resilient and I admire that.
Actually, I am only now starting to learn to be more resilient. These health issues made me feel very fragile physically, but I’ve realized I am also fragile emotionally. For example, believing that I’d never heal, worrying, catastrophizing etc. And I’ve learned that those are all symptoms of health anxiety. So now I’ve learned how to cope with that anxiety, and also to start seeing myself as more resilient (physically) than I thought I was.
So nowadays, whenever I have a flare-up of my symptoms, I don’t start despairing and thinking my life is over, but I let it pass. And within a few days, my symptoms do subside and I feel better again. So this is how I am learning resilience… by tolerating physical pain 🙂 But it’s been hard, a very hard lesson.. but anyway, that’s life, I hope I am now stronger because of it 🙂
For Job let’s say I’m still being resilient and applying. There were days when I felt like absolute trash. Because I wasn’t seeing any results. And I was worried for financial pressure too. So like finding a job and on top of that financial pressure. That’s the only two things that rendered in my head. Made me sick to my stomach. It was even harder to enjoy simple things (Which I normally enjoy) But It’s getting better.
So you ended up not applying for that entry level job, which was paying well and looked promising?
I am sorry it’s been so stressful for you. Are the opportunities so limited or you are somewhat picky, looking for a very specific thing?
About relationship. Because of this much pressure I totally made her distant from myself. She did try but I wasn’t just in right mental state.
I see. It just occurred to me that when you are under stress and feeling bad about something (like with the job search at the moment), you don’t need anyone around to support you. Like, a romantic relationship isn’t a resource for you, but a burden, it seems? And so you tend to get rid of the relationship, to feel less burdened, right?
Even now I’m just not thinking about it that much. We rarely talk. I even told her that it’s better that she finds someone more suitable according to her needs. But she said no. So now we’re like a non-committed friends who kiss sometimes.
It seems she really likes you and is waiting for you. I am kind of rooting for the two of you too 🙂 Because she seems like a good girl… But anyway, you’ll see. Those things cannot (and shouldn’t) be forced, that’s for sure.
And It’s been one and a half month I’m not seeing my therapist. She got some health issues too. Mostly her eyes and throat. Which is very crucial for online sessions you know. And she did suggest me another therapist but I didn’t liked her that much so I stopped.
Oh I am sorry about that. I also had some eye issues, and it was very frightening, but I did get better, thankfully. I hope your therapist will get better too.
So I talked to her and she said she believes that I’m more than capable of doing self-healing and I’m improved much faster rate than she imagined. So told me keep working on some exercises and working on healing my emotional wounds and whenever I need a like a push, she’ll help me.
Are you doing those exercises? Are you in touch with her? I mean, is she available at least from time to time? Because self-healing is hard, although not impossible.
So told me keep working on some exercises and working on healing my emotional wounds
I’ve heard once a great concept, which is that emotional wounds happened in a relationship, and that’s why we also need a relationship to heal them. A therapeutic relationship primarily. Or we need to have a strong sense of self-compassion, which is like having an inner therapist rather than the inner critic. Unless we have developed a strong inner coach/therapist/good parent figure, emotional healing is hard to do on our own.
So I think it would make sense to try to find another therapist – someone you do have a good rapport with. Unless you’re feeling you’re making progress on your own too?
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
I am sorry for disappearing again. I had some new health issues and a related health anxiety, and I felt pretty bad. Now I am feeling better and have learned to cope with that anxiety, I hope.
How have you been? Both on the job search front, and in your relationship?
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
how have you been? I am sorry for disappearing, I had health issues and a related health anxiety, and it was weighing me down.
I hope you are well…
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
happy belated birthday! I hope you did manage to celebrate it properly, in spite of being really busy at work.
Thank you for inquiring about me. And sorry for being so slow to reply. My mental health is better at the moment, since I’ve found some really good youtube videos on health anxiety, which helped me a lot. I can now manage my health anxiety better and don’t have such a gloomy outlook on life. So things have been better, thankfully 🙂
i want to write more and reply you later
Great! I’d love to hear how you feel about what I said in my last post, and in general, where you stand now, both emotionally and practically (related to the wedding plans and money issues).
I’ve been in shock and denial, but I’m gradually moving towards acceptance.
This is good to hear. Yeah, it’s hard to accept that those we love might not love us the same, or might not be capable of loving us the way we would want to.
I am also sorry that your mother is suffering from dementia and cannot really connect on a deeper level, even if she would want to.
I think it’s actually good that you’ve started reflecting more on the relationship between you and your mother, and want to explore it further. You say she is a sweet person, but emotionally distant. Was she emotionally distant also before the onset of her dementia?
From what I’ve understood about your childhood, you haven’t received much personal attention from your mother, because she was very busy, having many children to take care of. She also was busy helping her relatives, if I remember well? Perhaps all those were factors that contributed to her feeling emotionally distant.
You say she is introverted. Perhaps that means she wasn’t really talking too much about her own feelings either, perhaps stuffing them down, and so this contributed to her not being attuned to your (and your siblings’) feelings either?
These are all speculations, and I am not claiming any of this is true. But I think it would be worth exploring the dynamic between you and your mother, and how she might have hurt you unintentionally with her behavior.
I also trust that you love her deeply, and that’s wonderful. But perhaps it would help you to know if there was something she failed to provide – unintentionally – and how to give it to yourself now.
October 15, 2023 at 1:33 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #423117TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
thank you for your kind words and welcome!
I am sorry to have been slow to respond, but as I’ve said, I’ve been dealing with health issues this whole year, which I believe triggered an old childhood trauma. And this made it harder to deal with the chronic pain and the roller-coaster of getting better only to get worse again. So it’s been both physically and mentally/emotionally draining. But I think I am starting to see the light of the end of the tunnel. I haven’t been seeing a therapist, but have been watching some really good videos on health anxiety, which helped me a lot. So I am feeling a little better at the moment 🙂
I’m still experiencing some post covid symptoms & anxiety is one of them. I’m trying to stay positive but it is not always easy. Especially when you do not have a strong support system of your family & friends.
Is your anxiety health related? That you’ll never heal completely or something to that effect? I know it’s much harder when you need to go through those challenges alone… You earlier mentioned a friend of yours, whom you talk a lot about dating and relationships – is she around to help you?
I’m trying to apply your advice step by step but many times my fear is stronger. I did learn to say ,no’ & to set some boundaries but I still feel really isolated & find it hard to trust people & open my heart again.
I am happy that you’ve learned to say no and set some boundaries. That’s already a big improvement! It’s better to guard your heart from the people who would like to take advantage of you. You gave many opportunities and a benefit of the doubt to that policeman, and yet, the only thing he wanted was sex. I am glad you managed to say No to his conditions!
Most men I’ve met miss the ,spark’ they felt with their exes and their hearts are not available to me. Even after the brake up of their relationship, they still long for that feeling with someone new. Or they do not want to settle down at all.
I am sorry about that, Dafne. Have you been dating some more since the policeman?
Recently, I spoke with my father (after many years of absence). I told him how I felt, about my childhood pain & broken hear. He replied that he doesn’t want to feel criticised and that it was between him and my mother. Also he said that I’ve chosen this life for myself before I was born. I wrote my destiny. Everything is my decision and he will not care about any consequences of it. He also said that he has nothing do with my bad partner choices. For him it is a nonsense and how psychiatrist make money.
It seems your father doesn’t want to take any responsibility for his own behavior and for having hurt you. My mother is also like that – she feels she was a great mother and did nothing wrong in my upbringing, whereas the truth is that she was emotionally abusive my entire childhood (and would still be, if I let myself be abused). I tried to explain to her how she hurt me, but she flat out refused any responsibility and is claiming that she was a good and sacrificing mother. So I know that it doesn’t make sense to try to convince her of the opposite, or to try to get compassion and understanding from her.
It seems it’s a similar situation with your father: he flat out refuses any responsibility, even to the point of claiming that you as a child asked for it (asked for abuse and neglect) and “wrote your destiny”. As if parenting has nothing to do with the child’s mental and emotional health. Whereas exactly the opposite is true: a large study (called the ACE study) has proven that children exposed to emotional abuse and neglect have a much greater chance of having life-long physical and mental health issues.
By claiming that he had no negative impact on you and that you chose your own destiny, your father is heavily gaslighting you, washing all responsibility from himself. That’s toxic behavior.
It also shows that unfortunately there is no point in trying to get any empathy or understanding from him, because he isn’t capable of that. Trying to get him to see how he has hurt you will only hurt you more, so my advice is not to talk to him about that any more. I’ve realized that about my mother too, so I am not attempting to get from her what she isn’t capable of giving me (I had been trying for many many years, but have finally given up, realizing that it is only hurting me).
He never supported us emotionally or financially in any way. And now, he has a small piece of land near his place that he wants to sell. So he proposed that I could buy it from him as: ,nothing comes for free in life’ (his words).
Since he isn’t and has never been a loving father, and since staying in his proximity will likely only hurt you, I wouldn’t buy this piece of land. I wouldn’t tie myself to him in any way. Because I can imagine a scenario in which you end up taking care of him in his old age, while he is emotionally and verbally abusing you. I mean, I don’t know him, but I see no compassion on his side. I only see self-interest. Maybe he isn’t needy and wouldn’t demand you to take care of him, but in any case, I wouldn’t like to live near him.
Apparently, this proposal is a hot deal & he won’t hesitate to sell it to someone else. I felt like it is a business proposal and not loving reconnection after years. I felt disappointed but couldn’t really say much.
Sorry for responding only now, I hope you haven’t bought it in the meanwhile. It does feel cold and calculated, like a business proposal. No wonder you feel disappointed. But it’s better not to be close to him physically, when you cannot be close emotionally. And his stance is really hurtful.
I am sorry, Dafne. You definitely deserve more than your father’s kind of “love”. Which isn’t love at all. Some people aren’t capable of love, and so they come up with all kinds of excuses why selfishness and lack of empathy is normal (“nothing comes for free in life“). When again, let me refute that claim, because as they say, the best things in life are for free.
So everything that your father is claiming about love and life is probably untrue… and it needs revision.
Tee, what would you say or do in my place?
For starters, I wouldn’t buy that piece of land. And I wouldn’t try to get any empathy from him either. When he tells you that “nothing comes for free in life”, you can say “the best things in life are free”. You can say it out loud or just to yourself. But it’s important that you start refuting those falsehoods about life and love that he taught you (you don’t need to refute it to him, but to yourself), and learn a different set of beliefs – beliefs that will help you love yourself more.
September 28, 2023 at 1:44 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #422552TeeParticipantDear Dafne,
I am sorry for having been silent for so long. I’ve been dealing with some health issues and health anxiety related to that, and it was pretty hard on me.
Dr. said I got the long term one and need to look after myself more.
I am so sorry you got a severe case of covid. Are you still experiencing symptoms?
Yes, I’ve tried one Christian website in the past but all matches lived too far away and did not want to travel to see me
Oh that’s a shame. I know distance can be a problem, specially in big countries like the USA, so I get it. But it’s a shame. Maybe they were just lazy and too comfortable.
Also, have you ever been to India? I’ve heard it is a very spiritual country and marriage is sacred. I also heard that most marriages are arranged so not many prospects my age are left.
Oh I don’t know about India. I know spirituality is very important there, however I did hear that women are not always treated right there. Families make it their priority to marry off their daughters to the best possible suitor, and the girls are often pressured to get married till certain age, even if that’s not what they want or they haven’t found anybody suitable yet.
So I think marriage there is seen more like a business deal (specially an arranged marriage) – a very important business deal, perhaps the most important “business deal” of a girl’s life. However, it doesn’t make it sacred, I am afraid.
I hope you can find someone closer to you and someone who will truly respect and cherish you. But as I said before, you’d need to first learn to respect and cherish yourself. I hope you are learning to do it, little by little… <3
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am sorry for not responding earlier. I have been struggling with health issues and health anxiety related to that, and this has been weighting on me. But I want to say I feel for you and I understand your sadness and your difficulty to accept some of the harsh realities about your family (“I’m still processing a lot of these harsh realities.”)
Why were they so selfish, making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning?
It’s hard to say why some people are selfish, but many factors can play in, including the belief that money can bring one happiness, or that money will make one accepted and valued in the society. So perhaps seeing money as a key to happiness and a sense of worth is what causes your family to be so money-thirsty, at least in part. And so they’ve put money and social status on a pedestal, while disregarding true values, such as goodness, kindness, care and compassion. I don’t know, Peace, but this could be why they are glorifying false values and diminishing you, whom they should love and care for.
However, what you need to do is to stop linking your sense of worth to how they treat you (making me feel utterly worthless and devoid of meaning). This is a child in you, wanting to be loved and valued by her family, and believing that if they don’t value you, you are not worthy. That’s a false belief. Every child believes it though, and that’s why so many of us feel unworthy, because our parents and siblings made us feel unworthy.
But now, as an adult, you need to start believing in your own worth, disregarding of how your family sees you. They shouldn’t be your measuring gauge, since they are unfortunately people with crooked values and crooked priorities. Your sense of worth shouldn’t be dependent on them.
I know it’s hard to accept that you might not be as important to them as they are to you. It hurts. But it doesn’t mean you are not important at all. It doesn’t mean you’re unworthy as a human being. Their treatment of you doesn’t say anything about you – it says a lot about them. Try to tell yourself (your inner child) that you are worthy, special and unique, and you’ll see how your sense of worth will start changing.
Trusting anyone again seems difficult; I feel sad, disappointed, and betrayed.
It’s okay to feel sad, disappointed (in them) and betrayed (by them). Because they have indeed betrayed you. They’re not treating you like a loving family should treat one of their own.
But please, know that your worth is not defined by them and doesn’t depend on them. And that other people are not like them. You have found a husband who is not like them. You can trust your husband, even if you shouldn’t trust your own family. So don’t measure other people by how your own family is.
Now, they’re arranging a wedding for me, Even though i should be happy but i feel broken .
I get you. The people who have betrayed you are arranging your wedding. But don’t feel broken about yourself. Because as I said, you’re a good person, and they are crooked. Instead of feeling broken and unworthy, perhaps feel a little angry at your family. Just a little, so it can give you strength to stand up for yourself.
When you feel better about yourself and more empowered, you can then decide how you want your wedding to look like, how much of their involvement (and their pushing their ideas) you want to allow, etc. It will be also easier for you to decide about the financial matters. Once you start feel worthy and strong, rather than worthless and guilty, things will become more clear.
We can talk more about the practical aspects (money, debt etc), but I think the most important at this point would be to improve your sense of self-worth, which is independent of how your family sees you and treats you.
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
The funny thing is, I’ve been living alone for seven years, but deep down, I always thought I had a family to support. and that i have people in this world who cares for me and i could rely on .I always had them on my mind. But this situation in my life has made me see them more clearly – they don’t really care. … In their story, I don’t really matter.
Yes, unfortunately they don’t care about your happiness and well-being, but only about themselves. What I am starting to think is that what they care about is not just the caste your husband belongs to (and thus, their public image), but also how much money is available to them on an on-going basis. Because you said that neither of your sisters married men who are financially responsible and able to take care of their family (This pattern is common among my other sisters too, where they end up shouldering all the family expenses while their husbands don’t contribute much.).
They seem to count on you (and your husband) to help whenever they need cash. One of your sisters even counts on your help to buy a house, which is certainly not your responsibility. So it seems they see you not as a person, but as a function: a money machine, or a cash cow if you will.
That might be the reason why your husband isn’t good for them: because he doesn’t stem from a rich family and can’t provide unlimited resources. So I think greed is what largely drives their behavior. That’s why they say your MIL is cheap – because she dared to negotiate about the gold, rather than just giving whatever amount they’ve asked for.
So I’d say both greed and public image/appearances is what motivates your family. Those are very low motives, unfortunately. And they are very rude and crude about it – they are quick to lie, gossip, threaten and emotionally blackmail you:
They said they were stressed and couldn’t sleep, and they threatened that if I married this guy, my brother would leave our home because he thought these people were not good. They even talked about the possibility of a fight happening in front of our house back home if my marriage went wrong. One of my sisters, who had already asked me for money and whom I paid a bribe for, said she would move away from our area because she couldn’t handle my mother-in-law’s behavior.
So really, they use any means to try to control you and force you to do their bidding. I hope you see that you need to protect yourself from this toxic system. I hope you see that it would be absolutely devastating for you to move back to India and let them “take care” of you (They told me to complete my education and come back, saying they would take care of me).
What you need is to move further and further away from them, both financially and emotionally. And stay physically as far away as possible from them.
As for the money, I would settle the debt. As for helping your mother, perhaps the best way is to pay a monthly lump sum for her expenses. And to let everyone know (including your mother) that you are paying it, and what it is for.
If you want to pay for some other emergencies (such as your sister’s medical emergency – when she had a brain tumor), you can do it out of the goodness of your heart – because you are not a stingy person. But don’t let yourself be manipulated and feel obliged to pay for your siblings’ (and their husbands’) living expenses.
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
I am very glad to hear that your studies are going well, and that you’ve secured an internship which might turn into a full-time job once you get your diploma. And that you are financially independent. Well done!
And also, I am thrilled to hear that you are happy with your husband, that he loves you, respects you and is supporting you every step of the way. That’s really precious and I am so glad things worked out for you in the love department!
Sorry to hear about struggles with your family though. They haven’t changed much, on the contrary, their behavior is appalling. First they were vehemently opposing your husband, being super racist, then seemingly “tolerating” him if they can get enough gold from his family. When their appetites haven’t been satisfied, they started again with baseless insults and defamation of your husband and his family.
They are leading a vicious campaign against this good, innocent man and his family, which seems to be an okay family and don’t deserve to be treated like that. Your husband certainly doesn’t deserve to be treated like that. You neither, of course.
You’re seeing it very well that they want to make you their slave, fulfill all their wishes, they want to control you completely (In their eyes, making them proud meant becoming their slave because they wanted to control my decisions.). And even if you do everything they say, even if you sacrifice yourself for these mean, selfish people (sorry, I have to call them like that), you’ll still never be good enough for them. You will still be beneath them, and they will always find faults with you – each time you don’t do what they tell you. That’s how big their “love” is.
I lost trust and felt betrayed and used during that time.
They did betray you and have been emotionally abusing you for quite a while now. No wonder you feel betrayed. Because they initially helped you to get to Germany and financially supported you, only to turn against you because you don’t want to follow their dictates. You want to be independent and happy, leading your own life, and not be their slave.
To be honest, I don’t think you should stay in touch with your family. Or you should reduce contact to a minimum because they are quite toxic. But before cutting or reducing contact, I would settle the debt. If I were you, I would repay the debt – separately to each of your 2 sisters. Make a break down of the costs: how much each of them gave you, and how much you gave to each of them in the last year. The difference is how much you owe to each of them.
Your brother is a separate category – he didn’t give you any money, right? Instead, you’ve been helping him, but now it’s time to stop financing him. He is an adult man, older than you, and should be capable to take care of himself and his family. If your mother is living with him, you can pay for her expenses. I don’t think you should be paying their bills, but you can pay for your mother’s upkeep and help with her medical bills, if necessary.
If I were you, I would only pay for my mother’s expenses – not for any of my siblings’ expenses. It’s not your duty to financially support your adult, able bodied siblings.
So my advice is to insist on repaying your debts and financially separating yourself from your family. Because they are using your debt to financially exploit you and as you say, use you as an ATM machine. That’s why they say “no, you don’t need to repay it now”. But the very next day they come with requests for money….
That’s why I think it would be very important to clear your debt. Insist on repaying it, and do repay it, even if they object. And then stop giving them more money, except for your mother’s expenses.
I expect they won’t like it and will try to blame you and guilt trip you, portraying you as a selfish person. But please know that it’s not true – you are a good, honest person, and they are selfish, manipulative, mean people. So try to stay strong and cut as many ties as possible (first starting with financial ties).
How does this sound?
TeeParticipantDear Peace,
oh wow, it’s been a long time! Good to hear from you! And thank you for inquiring and wishing me well.
Yeah, 2023 has been a very challenging year for me health-wise because my health problems (which came out of the blue) limited me quite a bit and didn’t want to go away. They’ve subsided now a little, thank God, but a new issue came up with my eyes. I went to the doctor, got some eye drops and am hoping it would heal sooner than later. So yeah… this year has been emotionally and mentally challenging, and I am quite exhausted, hoping for a respite.
How are you? How is your marriage, your studies?
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
thanks for checking on me. I had a long vacation and some of my main symptoms luckily improved (yay! 🙂 ). But now I have some eye problems, which make it hard for me to use the computer. I am going to have that checked with the doctor, but in the meanwhile I am taking it easy and letting my eyes rest as much as possible. That’s why I haven’t replied to you – sorry.
How have you been? How is your job search?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
good to hear that you’ve contacted the therapist and are planning to start sessions once she comes back from holidays…
How are you doing? Have you been in touch with the guy?
Are you going on holidays too, or you’ll be working most of the time?
TeeParticipantDear Kodi,
You are spot on about learning to worry about about health issues from a parent.
Yeah, if our parents (or one of them) is a worrier, they can’t calm us down, but make us even more anxious. Because we as children are helpless and totally dependent on our parents. And so if our parent is worried and anxious, our anxiety goes through the roof. There is no way we can calm ourselves down – since we need them to do that for us.
And this stays as a pattern, not just the mental pattern of catastrophizing and thinking the worst will happen, but also as hypervigilance in our autonomic nervous system. Our amygdala constantly firing and ringing the alarm bell, even if there is no danger at all.
I very much relate to this, because my mother is a worrier too, not so much about health but about everything else, always thinking in negative terms. So I’ve learned to worry too, nowadays it’s primarily about my health, because I do have some health issues which objectively make my life difficult. But I see how sometimes I start catastrophizing over the slightest little pain that I have, and it fills me with terror. In those moments I feel like a helpless little child, believing that something terrible is going to happen and I will be doomed.
Maybe you feel something similar when you start worrying about your son’s illness:
Whenever my son gets a fever I freak out and am afraid he’s going to die. … I’m utterly exhausted from all the fear, frustration, anger, depression, irritability, guilt – basically every negative emotion you can have.
Maybe when your son gets a fever, you start catastrophizing, and the alarm system in your brain (amygdala) starts going in overdrive and it spirals out of control. What helps me is to soothe myself in those moments, to tell myself that it’s going to be okay.
Because what I’ve noticed is that I have 2 parts active in those moments: one is the anxious voice, who is thinking the worst thoughts and believing that the pain I am having means something serious and potentially irreversible. That’s the internalized voice of my anxious mother, telling me that I should be worrying. The other part is my inner child, who is listening to this anxious voice and is freaking out, because the child is helpless and depends on the mother’s protection. If the mother is worried and anxious, then of course the child is in utter terror. And that’s how I really feel in those moments, when the worry gets out of control.
I’ve recently become aware of this mechanism, and so now when something happens, I tell myself that it’s going to be fine and not to worry. I am trying to soothe my inner child and be the calm, soothing parent to my inner child, rather than the anxious, catastrophizing parent. With that I am hopefully interrupting that automatic loop in my brain that activates the amygdala and gets me in the state of terror.
Perhaps you could try something similar? Of course, various relaxation techniques might be helpful too. As well as creating that safe, calm space within your home, as Roberta suggested.
Your mother-in-law (who you said is very calm and loving and loves to laugh) can be an anchor point for you as well, in the sense that not only you visit her regularly, but also, when you start worrying, you can imagine her telling you it’s going to be fine. So perhaps she can serve as that calming, soothing parental voice inside of your head, when your fear gets triggered.
TeeParticipantDear I,
I am sorry you’ve been suffering from depression and other health issues. It’s tough to live with a chronic illness, be it mental or physical. I do feel for you.
And life doesn’t get better, please don’t tell me that. For 20+ years I have felt sad, empty, depressed ect.
Unfortunately you’re right – life doesn’t just get better by itself. We need to do something about it. Have you been in treatment for your depression? Do you perhaps know what it’s related to? If it started in your childhood/youth, it probably has to do with some sort of adverse childhood experience. I think we cannot really move on in our lives until we heal the major wounds of our childhood.
Please share some more, if you feel like it.
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