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  • in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #415900
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    But that’s the cons for a good therapist, right? If they’re like really good at what they do, They don’t have enough time for all of their clients.

    Unfortunately yes, the better they are, the less available they are. I think a good pace for therapy is once a week or maybe once in 2 weeks. If you’re seeing your therapist only once a month, it might not be enough.

    But yeah this world needs more people like you

    Oh thank you for your kind words!

    That’s mainly because I don’t express emotions clearly but more in complex way. Right?

    Well, this is what you said about your communication style:

    Silent treatment was like my main trait. And instead of discussing I just expected them to solve it because I be like it’s their fault, they made me feel this way. So now it’s their responsibility

    I think you said the reason you started resenting them (or one of the reasons) was that they didn’t pay enough importance to what was important to you. But instead of telling them it bothers you, you were just sulking silently and didn’t want to talk to them. You blamed them for “making you feel that way” and expected them to fix the problem, without ever telling them what’s bothering you. So, this is what I said that you should change.

    So when you ask: That’s mainly because I don’t express emotions clearly but more in complex way. Right? — it’s more like you don’t say what’s bothering you (you hide your real feelings), and instead, you expect them to guess what’s bothering you and make amends. Is that how it usually happens?

    Hmm that’s right I’m feeling like I’m not able feel the way that I felt in my first or second relationship. So feeling of Love is just meh for me.

    This sounds like rationalization: it could be that you’re afraid of feeling “in love” again (like you did in your first 2 relationships), because it was very frustrating and energy draining for you. And so you’re guarding yourself from that feeling, because you don’t want to feel all the “side-effects” of feeling in love again. When you think of being in love, you immediately think of the “side effects”, and it’s just cools you down immediately and makes you feel “meh”. Maybe this is what’s happening?

    And I think that feeling of love (Not just romantic) is really important. It gives that warmth and give you the perspective to look everything around you with love and kindness. I know my heart is full of love, for sure! But what the point if it’s this much guarded and closed.

    Sure, the feeling of love is important, and I guess you have it in you, because you find joy in many things in life. You said it yourself that your inner child is still in awe about life. Which is great!

    But it could be that you’re in awe with animals, plants and nature in general, but much less with people? Because you’re afraid of people, you believe they’ll hurt you… specially people very close to you, such as your romantic partner. So maybe you don’t see the other person with the same awe and appreciation like you see the night sky, for example?

    And like after starting this thread I did tried to approach a girl once (I was talking to Anita that time) and I still remember it vividly. We were on the bus sitting next to each other and It took like me 2 hours to approach but I was crazy I didn’t talked, I was all sweaty and anxious, I typed it my phone notes app and showed it her. And She said I’m engaged. After that in my head I was like “oh well I proved my point I did asked her. Now look at the window and just listen to Spotify. Don’t you dare turn your face towards her”

    😀 Yeah, it’s usually not a good idea to make a move on someone on the bus 🙂 Because you haven’t even talked to her, and then out of the blue, you showed her the text saying you liked her… which is a bit too much… Next time, try a more gradual approach (even if it’s on a bus 🙂 ): try talking to the girl, engage her in a conversation, and see if she’s responsive or she feels uncomfortable…

    Okay so I’ve asked this to one of the girl I was in LDR with and she told me I did kind of acted critical and superior but never judgmental. I asked one of my close friend too and she said the same thing. So yeah after gathering the data I can say Yes.

    Alright, so you agree that your outer critic could be a defense mechanism against vulnerability. Okay, so keep that in mind next time when you start having critical thoughts about the girl you’re dating, and start feeling that she should change…

    Btw it’s interesting that you could talk about this to your ex. Does it mean you ended the relationship on good terms?

    Like for leadership roles I used to think why would I take this much responsibility? That’s just crazy. Just work on what you have and relax.

    Hmm.. I got the impression that you were pushing yourself to do more and faster all the time. That you weren’t telling yourself to just relax, but quite the opposite?

     

    in reply to: Feeling Guilty and Ashamed #415897
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    Dear Anil,

    I am glad you’re feeling better at the moment and are practicing self-help. However, bad feelings might return, as you said it yourself:

    I’m reading books and trying meditation it does help me for certain time but it doesn’t take away how I feel about everything.

    It’s normal that if we suffer from childhood trauma, the problem is deeper and we often need another person or people to help us. We can’t pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. We need support.

    It’s also understandable that you don’t want to talk about these things with your friends and family (I kept these things discrete from most of my friends and family.) That’s why a therapist might be a good idea. In any case, it’s good that you have access to therapy, should you need it.

    I know that I have been immature sometimes but I’m learning to be mindful, mature and decisive. I’m also spending my time on career as I never did before.

    Excellent! I do wish you continued success. If you happen to feel down again, please know that you don’t need to do it alone – there is help and with good counseling, you can get permanently better. Wishing you all the best!

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #415894
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    Dear Katrine,

    I too (like X) think he uses alcohol, women and drugs to feel better about himself. I really hurts, I have been through a lot and don’t deserve this behaviour.

    I know.. unfortunately when people are in their ego, they hurt others. He definitely hurt you with his behavior, because he was actually manipulative, both before you confessed to him, and after. Before you confessed, he behaved like he cared about you, but then it turned out he doesn’t. He was like “no, I don’t see you that way”. Although he did behave “that way”!

    And then after you confessed, he started playing those games, as if he still wants to have power over you and keep you pining for him. So, looking back, it seems all he did (and is still doing) is manipulation. And that can be really hurtful, because you like the guy, you have your hopes up, and then it just gets squashed…

    I think in this case my avoident naturen served me better, cuz I never gave him the same amount of attention as the others.

    Right…but you know what I am thinking now? That perhaps your avoidant nature was a challenge for him (if he indeed craves female attention), and that’s why he was keen to win you over? Maybe he was flirty with you because in the beginning you ignored him (or pretended to ignore him), and he instinctively tried to charm you away and make you his “fan”? Because he needs girls to like him…

    I don’t know, maybe I am taking this too far. But it would explain his behavior, which so far was a mystery to me and I couldn’t figure him out. Let me know what you think…

    I am sure we will stay in touch. He talked about going back to Brazil in May for a couple of months and then come back here.

    I am so glad! You seem to have a genuine relationship, without games and playing hide and seek. I am rooting for you two! And I hope the situation with the head chef resolves soon.

     

    in reply to: Feeling Guilty and Ashamed #415880
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    Dear Anil,

    I don’t know why I was always under the assumption that a romantic interest would understand me and fix me but I don’t think its a feasible solution to achieve happiness.

    That’s actually very common – our romantic relationships are a mirror of the relationship with our parents. And in our romantic relationships we try to get what he haven’t received from our parents. In your case, you craved that someone would love you, care for you and understand you, because you haven’t received that from your parents.

    But you’re right, it’s not a feasible solution to achieve happiness, because even if we were to find a super caring person, that emotional wound and the sense of lack that we’ve experienced in childhood would still be in us, and it would never be enough. When there’s a wound inside, it’s like a bottomless pit – it cannot get filled, even if someone is trying their best to love us and care for us.

    That’s why the solution is to heal that wound first, to give ourselves what we were lacking in childhood. And that’s when you won’t be so needy in a relationship, but will be able to love and care for yourself better. As a result, you’ll also have a different dynamic with girls, you won’t be so needy, and you’ll be able to have a healthy relationship.

    the last couple of months have been terrible, I caged myself in an endless pain and suffering with alcohol, cannabis and cigarettes (Currently, I’m sober for a month and I feel a bit better) . I’m doing a bit better now with good sleep, food, meditation and mindfulness.

    Glad you’re doing better now and taking care of yourself better! But yes, addiction is a typical way of soothing our pain. I believe that every addiction is about soothing or numbing the pain of our inner child… If you can get in touch with that inner child and meet his unmet emotional needs (the best would be with the help of therapy), you can be free from addiction too. And other issues too, such as low self-esteem.

    Have you considered therapy? Do you have access to it?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #415879
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    I believe we’re getting closer too. Heck you’re even more efficient and resourceful than my current therapist

    Haha, I’ve been talking to you longer and much more frequently than your therapist, that’s why 🙂

    I did share my hopes and dreams without fear of being ridiculed. Because I’m kind of confident about talking about something that I’m passionate about. And I never felt that they are judging my hopes or dreams just because it’s not same as some other people.

    That’s good! It’s nice that you could freely share that part of yourself, and that they weren’t judgmental at all.

    But like silent treatment was like my main trait. And instead of discussing I just expected them to solve it because I be like it’s their fault, they made me feel this way. So now it’s their responsibility.

    Yeah, that part you’d need to change…

    Thanks for the positive progress reminders. I think for self-compassion it’s only starting but thanks to mindfulness I’m able to see some progress. Also thanks to you obviously

    I am glad you’re seeing some progress! And you’re welcome!

    But that makes me think like… Is that why my heart feels in like neutral gear now? I don’t know how to explain because for so long I haven’t actually shared my heart and have a real intimacy. So even though now that doctor girl is good, I still don’t feel like anything much for her. Maybe just a little attraction but nothing more.

    Right… well, your heart is probably very guarded. And you probably don’t allow yourself to feel much because you’re afraid of where it may lead you. So far relationships were always a disappointment and a cause of frustration, so you’re very very careful. And also, you said that so far it was always that the girl approached you. You never made the first move… But did you ever like a girl but were afraid to approach her?

    Hmm more or less yes I think.. But I’ll still think about it more and let you know

    Okay…

    Right! and that’s really interesting and awesome concept to know about. Love it

    Glad you liked it!

    Yes I agree. And I think before starting all this I just used to run away from the uncomfortable situations and emotions. But without facing we can’t actually understand the root and heal it. But as I started to face things head on my resilience got better and better and I did overcome some of my past fears. Still have to work on some fears but yeah

    Really good to hear this. You’re right – there is no growth and fulfillment in life without facing our fears, so yes, you’re on the right track 🙂

     

    in reply to: Feeling Guilty and Ashamed #415816
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    Dear Anil,

    you’re very welcome.

    The toxic behaviour was I blamed them for my unhappiness. I did not abuse either of the women physically or verbally but I texted them mean words, avoided them and stopped talking to them

    I see… so you said something mean to them, you blamed them for your unhappiness, and then you stopped contact. Yeah, I mean, it wasn’t nice, but it’s understandable – it was pain and hurt speaking from you, and this was your way to express your anger.

    I believe that a lot of your current pain and suffering is related to your childhood, because you said you didn’t really have any emotional support, and you grew up exposed to your parents fighting all the time:

    My childhood was not good to be honest, it was okay. My parents would always have constant fights and arguments in the house which gave me a bit of trauma and no emotional support.

    In such an environment, without tenderness, care and gentle feelings, the child feels terrified. Also, the child feels unseen and unimportant, because the parents don’t care about him, don’t pay attention to him, but are preoccupied with hurting one another. The child’s emotional needs are unmet, even if his physical and material needs are met. So even if your parents provided for you and enabled you good education, it seems they still failed in providing what is most important: emotional care and support.

    I think that’s why you are in such a dire need to be loved and cared for. And that’s why you tend to “latch onto a person, hoping I would find happiness.” The child in you has those key emotional needs unmet, and he is looking to have them met by another person, i.e. a romantic interest. At least this is my assumption. How does it sound to you? Does it sound plausible?

     

    in reply to: Does he like me? #415794
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    Dear Katrine,

    Yeah I think so too. He’s only hanging out with girls from work never the boys, or even just a mix. First it was X and Y and the partying (that he keeps saying that he will stop with) now it’s the young girls and drinking. I can see the weirdness and anxiety in him goes away and he’s confident.

    Oh I didn’t know that he’s hanging out only with girls. Yeah, in that case it does seem like he needs female company to boost his ego. Almost like he needs to be liked and desired by girls to feel good about himself (you said that being in female company makes him self-confident and less anxious). That’s why he is probably flirting a lot – because he needs all that attention and interest from girls.

    And with you, it seems that even if he doesn’t want to date you, he still has the need to “keep you interested” by playing those games. Now that I think about it, it could be that he is sending you strange vibes not because he has feelings for you and is conflicted, but because he has the need to keep the woman interested, even if he is not interested in her. Because that gives a boost to his ego. I am sorry if it hurts you to hear this, and I am not even sure if it’s true, but based on everything you’ve shared about him so far, it seems quite likely to me, unfortunately.

    It’s stille not easy to see, but I have been reacting eay less than before. I don’t know if he’s still going to travel abroad or if he’s changed his mind. Hope he does leave cuz it’s hard to move on from something that you are constanly confronted with.

    I am glad you’re less and less reactive to him! And that even if he stays, he won’t be such a challenge for you in the future.

    The day we went to the gallery I got a bit nervous around, not knowing what to say. It felt a bit date like and a very good day.

    Did you have butterflies in your stomach? Because if so, it’s a good sign for you, isn’t it?

    Today I was supposed to see him at work but he left shortly after saying he’s not sure he will come back to work here again because of the head chef. He said he needs some rest and time to think which I completely understand and he knows I am here when he’s ready to talk about it.

    So the head chef still hasn’t been fired? I am sorry your guy is feeling bad about it. No wonder he is considering leaving if nothing changes. But if he decides to leave his job, I hope you two will still stay in touch!

     

    in reply to: Feeling Guilty and Ashamed #415727
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    Dear Anil,

    I feel so guilty and ashamed because I confessed to a married woman and it made our friendship awkward.

    First, don’t feel guilty because although she wasn’t officially divorced, she was separated from her husband. She even had a boyfriend after her separation, with whom she broke up. All that happened before you even met her:

    she was separated from her husband (she was a victim of domestic abuse, so she left her husband but never divorced him). She had a boyfriend after moving away from her husband and they broke up soon (This happened before I met her)

    So when you met her, she wasn’t in a relationship with anybody, so you weren’t trying to steal her away from anyone. You confessed your feelings, because you fell in love with her, and you didn’t make any mistake by doing that.

    Where you probably made a mistake is that you couldn’t accept her rejection and you did something that hurt her:

    I fell so hard for her and I confessed to her after 6 months, she denied it politely. I couldn’t accept the rejection and avoided her on purpose because I know I would end up getting hurt again and would hurt her in the process of making her love me back.

    After my confession, I just couldn’t bear the pain and I became so toxic towards both of them and hurt them both. I stopped talking to them or meeting them anymore.

    May I ask what have you done to hurt her? Did you just avoid her (and that male friend of yours), or there was something else you’ve done, which you think is toxic behavior?

    You say you had a similar experience with another woman 7 years ago. She too rejected you but you couldn’t accept it, so you say you ended up hurting her:

    A part of me wanted her but I know it couldn’t happen no matter how hard I tried, I ended up hurting the woman I loved and myself.

    How have you hurt her?

    I have been running around in circles looking for love or approval, but it never happens. … I would like to know what can I do now to make my life and people around me better.

    It seems there’s been a pattern of unrequited love: you loving someone and yearning for their love, but them not loving you back. We have such deep yearning usually when we don’t really love ourselves, and we believe we need someone to fulfill us. To give us the love we desperately need. It’s very likely related to your childhood and perhaps feeling unlovable?

     

    in reply to: My new husband doesn’t like my daughter #415723
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    Dear Eriads,

    His issue is that the two of them have never really “bonded … It’s true that she does sometimes avoid him because she’s shy and she really doesn’t see him as anything more than my husband.

    B also thinks it’s rude that she will sometimes come and go and not say “hi” to him or engage in conversation.

    If your daughter sometimes avoids your husband and doesn’t want to say hi, it tells me she does feel certain resentment towards him. But the question is what is the cause of this resentment? There can be plenty. Just an example (I am mentioning this not knowing any of your background), it can be that she resents you for remarrying, it can be that her father doesn’t like that you remarried and she solidarizes with him. Or maybe she feels a certain pressure from your husband to be friendly with him, which she doesn’t like.

    Also, the fact that the two of them never really bonded can be due to multiple reasons. Maybe it’s because you started dating him 3 years ago, which is at the beginning of covid, so you couldn’t really travel and spend fun time together? Or she lived with her father during covid? Or your husband prefers certain activities during leisure time, which your daughter doesn’t like? Again, there can be a number of reasons.

    I think you should think about the possible reasons for your daughter’s distance and resentment, because that will give you the clue about how to deal with it. It could be a combination of more factors. It could also be that your husband is too sensitive and has too high expectations, so he kind of exacerbates the problem instead of acting like an adult (as you pointed out too) to seek resolution?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #415722
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    I told you about my CEN (Childhood Emotional Neglect) Right?

    Yes, you have. I’ve mentioned the inner child healing again, because it seems to me like we might be getting closer to understand the key wound of your inner child, which is lack of self-esteem and the fear of being judged. If deep down you still believe you’re not good enough, or not worthy enough, then this might be why you don’t want to be “seen”.

    Ohh I see. So just enduring silently could be pretty damaging as well.

    Very much so! In the Bible, it’s called the sin of omission – the failure to do something which was right and necessary. For me as a child, my father’s silence was very damaging, because I had no one to defend me. So in my mind, it meant that my mother’s judgments of me were true and that indeed, there is something terribly wrong with me.

    What a great way to explain! I agree with that. But like what does it mean to let them see into us? Does it mean let them know what we’re thinking without judging, without fear of criticizing, and also being vulnerable or something more?

    All of the above. Also, share your hopes and dreams without fear of being ridiculed, for example. Let them know if something hurts you (rather than giving them silent treatment). Let them know if you’re worried about something, discuss your feelings, rather than stuffing them and pretending that everything is okay. Let them know what you need from them, rather than expecting they should read your mind.

    Yes maybe this inner feeling not being worthy is damaging me for so long that I lost track of my own self.
    Right! One step at a time

    Well, you’ve got a strong inner critic, which so far you were mostly aware related to your career (e.g. you were scolding yourself for not doing enough work, or for lagging behind in your career goals, etc). So, the inner critic was quite obvious in your career, and you’ve been doing some important things recently to lessen his impact: you’ve learned how to have more self-compassion and stop pushing yourself to do more and faster all the time (i.e. you’ve lessened the impact of the “drill sergeant”). You’ve lessened the impossible expectations on yourself, work-wise.

    In your relationships, I’d say that so far the outer critic was more pronounced (more than the inner critic), because you’ve been mostly critical about the girls you were with and finding faults in them. But it could be that this outer critic is just a defense mechanism, which allowed you to not go deeper with a girl, to not show yourself really. A defense mechanism against true intimacy. Because if you judge someone and feel superior to them, you don’t really want to be vulnerable with them. As you noticed it yourself, it kills the chance for intimacy:

    Yes, and it makes them feel inferior which makes things even worse. Because they don’t feel much comfortable after that. Eg. “Share their true self” And as the comfort decreases, means the distance is just increasing. Right?

    Yes, if there is this superior-inferior dynamic going on, the distance increases and intimacy becomes impossible. That’s why I am thinking that your outer critic (which is this superior, judgmental, critical persona that you tend to put on in romantic relationships) could be a defense mechanism against vulnerability. This “persona” serves to protect your inner child from being seen and being hurt. This could be the shield around your heart that we were talking about…. What do you say? Do you think it’s possible?

    I mean with my parents I still do, but not with my romantic interests.

    Oh I see – it’s great that your girlfriends liked your spontaneity!

    Thanks for giving me hope though. I was about to give up if I didn’t find out its not only about dating but it’s much more deeper thing to resolve.

    You’re welcome! Yeah, romantic relationships are always about deeper things, since there’s always a connection between our attachment trauma and the way we behave in relationships.

    Like today pretty much every one have some issues related to childhood that they need to address and work on. But instead feeling like a victim. Being mindful in the present and accept that and he quotes from the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said: “Whatever happened, happened for the good; Whatever is happening, is happening for the good; Whatever will happen, will also happen for the good only.”

    Yes, it’s a good way to look at it – not to feel like a victim, but rather, see our childhood as something that shaped us but also something that we can grow from and transcend. I don’t know if you’ve heard about it, but there is a Japanese art of kintsugi – repairing broken pottery with gold. The idea is that our “cracks”, i.e. our wounds and painful experiences can make us beautiful, if we manage to heal them and integrate them into our life.

    Just think about it like if everything went perfectly would you have this drive to improve yourself and work on yourself every day? Probably not. So it’s like bitter and sweet things mixed cocktail which is fun thing about life and that’s what makes it interesting and worth living not just like a raw water.

    Actually yes, we can learn and grow from challenges…

    Makes me think that striving for this inner peace is nothing less than a great war against ourselves.

    Well, inner peace is important, but I think if we want to achieve it by hiding from the world, hiding from challenges, then it’s not the real thing…

    in reply to: Does he like me? #415710
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    Dear Katrine,

    so good to hear from you! I am glad you’ve been feeling better lately and also managing your anxiety around the guy better. Yes, he seems like playing his usual games, provoking you on purpose, sitting in front of you while making out with his girlfriend, then later filming you while you were dancing….

    It’s like he wants to have power over you, but not only over you, but other women as well, since you say he’s been fooling around with girls, cheating on his current girlfriend etc. Probably keeping women interested in him gives a boost to his ego, and it’s like a game for him. As I said, I don’t like him at all…

    And it’s so good to hear that you’re not super anxious around him any more, and that your interest is turning towards the chef. He does seem sweet and caring, and I do hope your relationship deepens. Is he planning to come back after he visits his home country?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #415704
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    Yes the IMPRINT! That’s the thing I’m working on

    Yes, and the imprint is carried by the inner child… that’s why it needs inner child healing.

    Yes I can say that’s really similar what happened to me. But what do you think what stopped your father and my mother from protecting us?

    Well, my father had his own emotional wounding related to his mother. I think he was trying to get love and validation from his emotionally distant mother. He repeated that in the relationship with his wife, i.e. my mother. So he always tried to “please” and “appease” my mother, and he never wanted conflict with her. It was important for him that my mother isn’t angry with him. That was his priority, not my well-being or even his own well-being. And so he stayed silent and endured what he shouldn’t have endured.

    With your mother, there could have been also cultural factors at play, maybe that women shouldn’t object to their husbands? So perhaps that contributed to your mother staying silent?

    I totally agree with you! I do feel like I’m missing deeper sense of self-worth. And recently quite a lot

    I see… yes, if you’re missing a deeper sense of self-worth, it’s very likely related to that incessant criticism that you’ve heard from your father and grandfather….

    Right! and that’s the reason why I also still have fear of commitment. It feels so scary.

    Right… because the closest relationships for you were a source of stress and humiliation, not a source of encouragement and support. And also broader relationships weren’t too supportive either, because as you’ve said, it was all about rivalry and who is more accomplished, who makes more money etc. No wonder you didn’t want to show any vulnerability, or your true self.

    But do you know what Henry Cloud’s definition of intimacy is? Intimacy = into me see.

    We need to allow the other person to see us, to see into us, otherwise there can be no intimacy and no real relationship.

    It could be that your inner child is still afraid to be seen, because he believes he’s not good enough, not worthy enough? But if you can truly believe that you’re good enough and have so many good qualities, and that you don’t need to be perfect (unlike your parents and grandparents told you!)… then you might allow another person to “see into you”. As we’ve talked about before, you don’t need to spill out all your deepest secrets on the first date, just maybe share one vulnerable thing and see how she reacts…

    For spontaneity I don’t feel criticized. Because in my previous relationships I received lot of good compliments about it and I myself believe that without spontaneity relationships are much less fun..

    I said it because you mentioned earlier that you fear they might judge you for your spontaneity:

    I know I’m in touch with my inner child and I still do lot of things that an adult actually doesn’t do like I turned into a kid when I’m with kids, Different kind of bicycling, Singing and dancing for no reason (Lot of times while cooking, Watching Anime and Cartoons and lot of things like that) And I kind of fear they would judge me for that and not actually understand.

    But it’s good if you feel you can be spontaneous and playful after all!

    I want to get out from this fearsome repetitive cycle. So, I will date and experiment till I have the success.

    Good! I guess you can now be more mindful while dating and observe yourself, and notice if the fear arises… which is already a big step!

     

    in reply to: Too Late To Start Our Life Together? #415703
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    Dear Emma,

    I am really sorry for what happened to you. It is so unfair and humiliating that a woman of such questionable character (M) managed to guilt-trip K into marrying her, after he’d already met you and seen through her intentions. It is unfortunate that he couldn’t say No to her blackmail and send her away. It is even stranger than he proceeded to stay married to her for 8 years (if I am counting well), until she took all of his money and left the country to marry another man. During the time they were together, she was mistreating him, humiliating him and insulting him in front of everyone.

    All of this is telling me that K allowed to be fooled and abused by M for many years, and that you and your love were not enough to stop him from making self-destructive decisions. There was something in him – a sense of guilt or low self-esteem – which made him work against himself.

    Unfortunately, this self-destructive drive is still in him. Because you – the woman he claims he loves – have forgiven him. And you are willing to leave behind the past and start anew. But he doesn’t want it, he is depressed, he “isn’t interested in doing much of anything “, and he refuses to see a therapist. Again, a self-destructive drive at play…

    You’re right when you say that you’re being punished again (I can’t help but feel as if I’m still being punished instead of her). Now, after she sucked the life out of him (which he allowed) and he probably feels defeated and ruined, you should live with the consequences and accept that he is a ruined man. But why? He could get better if he wanted to. If he really cared about you, he would agree to seek help.

    But something within him doesn’t let him, and he prefers to stay miserable. And he would like your company…. Well, you don’t need to keep him company in his misery. You deserve more. If he isn’t willing to help himself, you don’t have to be a part of it.

    I know it’s hard for you, since he is the man you really loved. But please be wise and don’t let yourself be fooled once again…

    in reply to: Negative conflict cycles #415699
    Tee
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    Dear frozenfireflies,

    Because of my own struggles I’m currently in psychomotor therapy, because talk therapy has not worked well for me at all. I’ve only been with this new therapist for a few sessions but I have high hopes.

    It’s great that you’re currently in therapy and that you like your new therapist!

    This will hopefully teach me to stay more regulated and not get into this abandonment trap of anxiety.

    Yes, I think that if you can lessen the fear of conflict (and the fear of abandonment, as it seems), it would enable you to stand up for yourself and not feel defeated and powerless in the face of your husband’s anger.

    My husband is indeed someone who really can’t say no very well. He has a real history of taking responsibility, to his own detriment even. Part of the problem here is that I think his standards are a bit too high and he doesn’t have enough trust. “No one does a good job if I don’t step up” – that almost seems to be his mantra, whether he realises it or not. It would really serve him well to work through his own past issues that are holding a grip over his present life.

    I don’t name call, I don’t do character attacks, I don’t swear at him and yet he still feels some kind of pull to this aggressive communication style when there’s conflict.

    I’ve been reading from the book “Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving” by Pete Walker. He says that when people have a lot of unresolved anger (from their childhood), they may become very critical of others, i.e. have a strong outer critic. This outer critic can be very judgmental of others, feel superior to others and also feel justified to get angry frequently and dump their anger where it doesn’t belong.

    As for getting angry frequently, Pete Walker calls it “emotional flashbacks” – the person gets triggered by something (say their partner leaves dirty dishes in the sink), and this makes them feel unloved and unappreciated, and as a reaction, they react angrily. So a small “incident” can lead them to overreact – because they interpret it in a negative way, as if their partner wanted to hurt them deliberately.

    You mentioned that your husband gets upset with you for “leaving things” and not being as tidy as he would like you to be. So perhaps something like that happens with him too? And that’s why he reacts with anger to something that is otherwise not a big deal and could be discussed peacefully?

     

    in reply to: Feels like Time is passing too fast #415696
    Tee
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    Dear SereneWolf,

    I totally agree like you mentioned (and even others told me) I was resourceful and pretty much self- reliant. But the thing is that for my parents and grandparents they never saw that as my good accomplishments. They were always like look what he did at this age? Look what he accomplished? Mainly my grandfather and father (Both are very “perfectionist” nature) So instead of praising they were criticizing me and that made me realize that no matter what I’ll do I wouldn’t be good enough for them. (I realized that years ago)

    Good that you’ve realized it at a relatively young age! But the imprint stayed, and so their perfectionism became your own perfectionist inner critic. Which is telling you that you’re not good enough, not accomplishing enough at work, not earning enough money etc etc. It’s sad that both your father and grandfather were perfectionists, so you received a double dose of criticism.

    Not only that, but it seems there was no male role model who could have served as a positive father figure (“My neighbors are like that, older relatives etc because they grew up in competitive environment“). So you were surrounded by bad role models…

    Yes, I can totally relate! I know that feeling, but it must have been hard for you. In my case it was my grandfather. And even though I had good grades, It wasn’t enough! I felt literally pressurized to be in the Top 3 students! and yet I still made it as a Top 1st student till the end of high school. Just to feed their ego. So he can talk others like “look my grandson has always been the 1st”.

    Right… so for your grandfather, it seems you were a tool to boost his vanity and pride. He boasted to others with your accomplishments, while at the same time he wasn’t really proud of you, but kept criticizing you. I can see how damaging it was for you, and how toxic. I understand why you wanted to get away ASAP…

    But Because my mother and grandmother never criticized me for that and just loved me without any expectations from me. so It was kind of sane place for me. Otherwise, I swear I’d have to run in the jungle much earlier and never return.

    It’s good you weren’t criticized by your mother and grandmother. However, I get the feeling that they didn’t protect you from your father’s and grandfather’s criticism either. Your mother told you to take your father’s criticism silently and “maturely”, so basically she never challenged your father to change his approach. My father never protected me from my mother’s criticism either. That’s why the damage done by my mother was much bigger than it should have been. Because my father allowed the abuse and didn’t say anything. I think something similar happened to you too?

    And sometimes I think how self-confident, fearless and full of hope kid I used to be. Because of the criticized father and my inner criticism over the years my self-confident and self-esteem is still quite low, and it did affect my career and relationships quite a bit. So I still have to work on my self-esteem and self-confidence.

    Yeah, and I think there is even a difference between self-esteem and self-confidence. Self-esteem is a basic sense of self-worth (which doesn’t depend on any skill that you possess), whereas self-confidence is related to various skills we have. Say a professional athlete may have a lot of self-confidence that they are good at sports, but once they get injured, they may feel worthless because their self-esteem was based on their skills and not on a deep inner sense that they are worthy as a person.

    Perhaps you too feel self-confident is some things, but what is missing is a deeper sense of self-worth, of being worthy simply because you exist?

    Yes I believe I can resonate.  Because those lines hits me. As you know in my previous relationships, I wasn’t being my true self and shielded my heart.

    Right.. and it seems to me that you’re very cautious with relationships not only because of your father’s (and grandfather’s) criticism, but also because you weren’t protected enough by your mother. So relationship might seem like a very scary thing, where no one is on your side?

    Okay so I’m not sure if my subconscious mind believes in that but I’m sure that my conscious mind doesn’t believe competition in the relationships. It was mostly fear of judgments, criticism and inability to express my emotions properly.

    Okay, you’re afraid to be judged by your partner. So to protect yourself, you rather judge her and make her seem deficient, so to feel less vulnerable? Like, you first judge her before she can judge you?

    This part could be true though. Conscious and subconscious both levels

    Okay, so you don’t want a relationship to be a competition and a power struggle. You hate it. And that’s why you’d rather not go into it. But the problem is that a part of you believes that relationship is a power struggle. Or at least that being in a relationship means being judged, criticized and hurt. That you can’t show your weaknesses, or even your spontaneity (like dancing while cooking lunch) without being criticized. Right?

    And if you approach relationships from that vantage point (which is a vantage point of fear), then I think it’s better not to date. Because you’ll likely get more of the same. But if you work on slowly dissolving that fear, on realizing why it’s there and then dissolving it… that’s when you open yourself to a different kind of dynamic in a relationship. To a possibility of a healthy relationship.

    That would be my answer to your question whether you’re ready to date (You think I’m ready? Or I still need lot of healing even to start dating someone?). I think you’re ready to date if you can let go of some of that fear of judgment in the relationship. We can talk more about it, if you’d like to…

     

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