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September 14, 2022 at 12:27 pm in reply to: How to let go of the fear of being disliked (at work) #406960TeeParticipant
Dear Dee,
Despite having some deep childhood wounds which I am aware of, I know I have a lot of people who love and care about me.
That’s wonderful!
However, it seems to me that there was a particular person (or more of them?) who didn’t love you and didn’t care enough for you in your childhood? More specifically, they didn’t want to get to know you. I say this because you mentioned several times the pain of your work colleagues not putting an effort to get to know you:
They barely ask me anything personal like how was my weekend or birthday and I feel like no one has put in effort to really get to know me or care.
I want to feel connected in a team and know I’m part of a work family.
And then I blame myself for being upset that they don’t like me because I’m not showing them who I really am.
How I do let go of all this fear and constant craving of external validation? Especially from co-workers who don’t truly know me?
My guess is that you are re-experiencing the pain of rejection, or perceived rejection, by a particular person or persons in your childhood. You would like to be liked and accepted by your work colleagues and be a part of a work family. But your colleagues don’t seem to accept you into their family… in your eyes, they don’t even want to get to know you. As a result, you feel rejected and you freeze (I am extremely reserved at work and almost get social anxiety), not being able to act spontaneously and “not showing them who I really am“.
Does this sound plausible to you?
TeeParticipantDear Neera,
You are very welcome, I am glad it helped you.
I did see my mom as a victim growing up. And the more I learned about domestic violence in school, the more I wanted to free her, but I did not know how. So I tried to be the partner for her that she needed, trying to be perfect and eventually it did wear me out.
If there was violence in your family and your father was hurting your mother, your mother was indeed a victim. But the question is whether she needed to stay victim or she could have done something to help herself.
You say that you learned about domestic violence at school, and tried to help her and free her. What kind of advice did you give her? Did you tell her to talk to someone and seek help, or to even divorce your father?
I am asking because it could be that she had options to help herself, but she chose to stay in a dysfunctional marriage, and made you and your sister collateral victims of sorts, exposing you to domestic violence and horrible fights between her and your father?
It’s no wonder that you did everything to please her and not to upset her, because you didn’t want to add to her burden of being the victim. It seems to me that you were there to meet her needs, instead of vice versa. When the time came for you to go to university, she emotionally manipulated you – again, using her “victimhood” – to stay by her side. This tells me that she mostly cared about herself and her needs, not about you.
You said that your parents’ fights have subsided since then, and that your father is actually on your mother’s side when the two of you have an argument:
The fights are now much less between the two of them but now it has gravitated towards my mom and I have major disagreements and arguments.
my dad is always on my moms side
How did this change in the dynamic between your parents come about? Is it maybe because your father is now weaker and perhaps sickly, and he depends on your mother to care for him? So he isn’t so aggressive any more, but became more tame?
In any case, it seems that your mother still sees herself as the victim, but now mostly your victim, not of your father’s? She doesn’t want to accept any responsibility for any wrong-doings, and this is a typical attitude of a person stuck in the victim mentality. My mother is also like that – she would never in a million years admit that she did anything wrong in the way she raised me. Ever. She has always been and always will be the victim. Full stop.
Instead of facing herself and acknowledging her shortcomings, it’s easier for your mother to shift the blame on you (or your father, in the past). Unfortunately I know this mindset very well… and yes, unfortunately this also means that honest conversation with your mother won’t be possible. Because she wants to remain the victim and she wants to keep blaming others.
My mother has gone through a lot in her marriage and even in childhood. And this is something I do greatly empathize with her on.
I also have empathy for my mother, since she was treated poorly as a child (her mother was even stricter and more judgmental than my mother was with me). However, at the end of the day, she is an adult and has the option to heal those wounds and not perpetuate the generational trauma. But she chooses not to. I can see that everything she does is a result of her childhood wounds, nevertheless those wounds (that she refuses to address) stand in the way of us having a close, heartfelt relationship.
I know it’s hard for you because I am sure you want to be close to your mother, like I wanted to be close to mine. But it’s not possible…. It took me many years to finally see that, and to accept it. Nowadays I love my mother from afar, and the less we talk, the better it is. Because she would start accusing me and blaming me at the first chance she has. So I keep my distance to protect myself. Our relationship is very superficial and we don’t see each other often, since I live in another country. But that’s how it has to be, and I accepted it.
On a positive note, it’s great that you have a very loving relationship with your partner. You seem to be able to talk openly and honestly about everything (unlike with your mother!), he is supportive and has lots of understanding for you. That’s very important!
I am realizing that as unfortunate as it is, for me to have a healthy relationship with my mom, the conversations must be minimal, and my responses must also be minimal. I cannot express myself or explain myself because there is no point.
Yes, that’s exactly the same experience that I had, and the same conclusion I’ve come to…
I suppose the best way for me to heal is therapy because the more I try for her to see what she did was wrong, and how what she is doing now is still wrong, the more strain it puts in our relationship. … I need to find a way to vent out my anger that is away from my childhood environment, and hopefully that can bring me to peace with reality.
Yes, I think therapy would be very helpful. Besides processing anger at your mother, I think it’s also important that you give love and compassion to yourself, to tell yourself (and your inner child) that you are lovable and precious and that you aren’t to blame for your mother’s unhappiness. Shower yourself with love, compassion and validation – to compensate for what you haven’t received as a child!
TeeParticipantDear Emma,
you are welcome. I am really glad that you aren’t putting all the blame on yourself. Also that you realize that “he is standing in his own way” – if he continues to reject therapy. I hope he will accept it, although I must say, his conviction that therapy won’t help him isn’t very encouraging.
I am not going to push too hard because I know he will get resistant and think I am just trying to put the blame back onto him again, which isn’t what I’m trying to do.
I understand that you don’t want to pressure him or demand anything at the moment, but rather work on yourself and “keep my eyes open to the injustices and unfairness around me, listen to him and support him in whatever way I can.” In other words, you want to work on developing more empathy, on becoming more attuned to him and his emotional needs, which you haven’t been so far.
And I just have to hope that the future holds something better than this.
Well, the future can only be better if he too decides to change, to work on his trauma and heal. If only you change, I am afraid it will be a little like you becoming a “perfect mother” to him – someone who will care for him and protect him from the evil world. That’s because if he refuses to work on his trauma, he will remain identified with his wounded inner child, and he will need a mother, not a wife. So please be aware of that as you proceed.
At the same time, maybe he will be more willing to work on his trauma once he feels that he’s got your support and that he isn’t alone with his pain. So you changing might have a positive effect on him, that will encourage him to seek help.
I am rooting for both of you and the success of your relationship!
TeeParticipantDear Emma,
I don’t want to minimize your husband’s suffering in any way, but it occurred to me that his extreme sensitivity and reactivity to certain scenes on TV is a little bit like having allergy to certain foods. When someone is allergic, they have an extreme negative reaction to things that other people have no reaction to whatsoever. In fact, other people can even like those same foods that the person suffering from allergy is terrified of.
If the husband is allergic to certain foods, is the wife a bad person for partaking in those foods sometimes, when she is alone, and when there is no way that he could be harmed? Mind you, she isn’t forcing him to eat those foods, she isn’t secretly putting those foods into his meals. Neither is she telling him that he is too sensitive and too weak for not wanting to eat those foods. She isn’t harming him in any way. Is she a bad person for that? Should she give up those foods completely, so that her husband wouldn’t feel betrayed?
You say:
He is alone. Everybody around him behaves how they want and he has to deal with the consequences of it while they just get on with their lives.
I guess everybody around him behaves as if he didn’t have food allergy. They treat him as an ordinary person, not someone who is super sensitive. Maybe they don’t even know that he is suffering so much in everyday situations?
He was always different to other children (he is highly sensitive and empathetic) and things affected him in a deep and violent way. He found it easier to avoid others as he got older, as they tended to affect him in a negative way.
I can imagine that he suffered a lot as a child, e.g. at school, because children can be cruel. And if he was super sensitive, it would have affected him a lot. But his withdrawal from people continued into adulthood too. And it’s probably not because everybody was nasty to him, but because he was extremely sensitive (“allergic”), and so everyday interactions with people (comments, jokes etc) affected him negatively.
I am sorry for his suffering, and I understand where he is coming from – but the problem is that he is coming from his wounded and traumatized self. As such, he wants to live in a world where everyone adapts to his condition, instead of trying to heal the condition. And he wants you, first and foremost, to adapt to his condition, to not partake of the foods he is allergic to, and to defend him before anyone who isn’t aware of his condition and might say something “insensitive” or “offensive”.
In short, I think he wants you to defend him from the nasty, insensitive and violent world – as he perceives it.
I want him to be happy and to be able to live his life in the way he wants.
Well, I think the above is what he wants. Are you sure that you want it too?
TeeParticipantDear Emma,
Before, he was very resistant to admitting that he had unresolved trauma, but he does now. However he firmly believes that he is so damaged that nobody can help him. He believes that any sort of therapy will likely make things worse, and I can see from reading other men’s experiences of therapy that it can happen. Therapists are predominantly female and for men that have suffered at the hands of women, therapy can be an unforgiving and unhelpful place.
This is just an excuse he is giving you. As Helcat said, there are many male therapists out there, also among those specialized in trauma work. In fact, among the famous trauma therapists, two of them – Bessel van der Kolk and Peter Levine – are men! Claiming that nobody can help him and that therapy will make things worse is nothing but avoidance (and avoidance, as Helcat said, is the modus operandi of people suffering from PTSD).
He wants me to face the consequences of my actions, to be accountable and understand what damage my actions can cause to other people, whether I intend them to or not. This is a difficult lesson to learn but I accept it is an important one.
He wants to you face the consequences of your actions – i.e. to admit that it is you who are causing him pain. At the same time, he is refusing to take responsibility for the pain that his trauma is causing him. It is NOT primarily you who is hurting him, but it is his trauma, which he refuses to address. You are accepting this distorted view of the situation – that it is only you who should change and completely adapt to him, whereas he doesn’t have to do anything on his end.
You are taking 100% responsibility for something that is maybe 20% your responsibility, if that. You are accepting his view and his perception of the problem – where he is free from responsibility and it is only you who is to blame, and only you who should change.
Can you see that?
You might have made mistakes in the relationship, and I believe you when you say that you have issues with showing emotions, and even with showing empathy. But even if you had been the most understanding spouse, always tip-toeing around him and trying not to upset him – he still wouldn’t be happy, because unresolved trauma renders the person unable to be happy. He would still be troubled, angry and upset, even if you had been an angel around him.
I understand your desire to change and become more empathetic, but please don’t accept his view of the situation and his request: that it is JUST you who needs to change, but not him.
The fact that you are so easily blaming yourself and exculpating him tells me that you may have issues with self-love, and that maybe you were blamed as a child too for something that wasn’t your fault? You said:
My childhood was not particularly happy and I had a poor relationship with my stepdad and my mum (I think mostly on my part).
“I think mostly on my part” – are you saying that the relationship with your mother and step-father was bad, mostly because of you? Because you reacted badly towards them, but they didn’t react badly towards you?
If so, it would be similar to how you currently see problems with your husband: that it is only your fault and your responsibility, and none of his.
September 8, 2022 at 2:01 am in reply to: Why have I been extremely unlucky with respect to myself? #406722TeeParticipantDear zaredkhan,
I am sorry that you had bad luck with your computer, which took away 7 days out of your time to prepare for the exam. Also, that you hurt your leg. Have you had it checked with a doctor, btw? If it’s swollen and you cannot step on it, it could be sprained ankle – you better get an X-ray for that.
It seems you are ambitious and want to perform well in your studies, but you feel there are forces against you that are preventing you. And that no matter how hard you try, you’ll never succeed.
I understand your frustration but, if we look at it objectively, the mishaps you had to face in the last month are not a proof that you are “destined to fail” (I’ve been destined for much less. I’ve been destined to not succeed.). They are just temporary problems, which you’ll recover from (but do check your leg and get proper treatment if necessary!) Even if you fail this one exam because you didn’t have enough time to prepare, you can pass it next time, which I assume is in a few months from now?
What I am saying is that in reality, these mishaps aren’t so huge as to come up with such dramatic conclusions, such as that you’ll never make it in life. However, what could be the reason for such pessimistic thinking is that you adopted a false belief about yourself, e.g. “I’ll never succeed”, “I am destined to fail”, based on the experiences you had so far in life, starting from your childhood. You said:
I had lots of unlucky moments in the past, but I don’t remember much of them very easily, I just remember them vaguely.
And also:
my father had to torture me just at that time, wasted my 3-4 days of productivity and slowed down my focus.
Perhaps you have a demanding father, who makes your life harder, not easier? Also, if you had lots of “unlucky moments” in your childhood, and no one to help you and protect you, you would have started believing that you have bad luck and are destined to fail, because there were these outside forces (be it poor treatment by family members, or adverse outside events) all lined up against you, and you feeling helpless? And so now, when you encounter an obstacle, you start feeling helpless and desperate, even if it’s something you can easily resolve?
TeeParticipantDear Emma,
I agree with Helcat that your husband needs professional help. When at the beginning of your relationship he had a bout of depression, left his job and “spent days at home sitting in the dark, spent hours at night talking and crying”, your reaction was very appropriate – you suggested he should seek professional help. But he refused. Instead, he started burdening you with his deep emotional problems, problems too big for you to resolve. He even called you at work once, threatening to hurt himself, so you needed to rush back home.
He put the blame on you for not respecting his triggers, i.e. not adapting your behavior so not to provoke his trauma – when in reality, a person with PTSD has so many triggers that it’s impossible to avoid them. As you yourself experienced, his triggers became more frequent over time (The episodes of depression started to happen more frequently. It started off about once a year, then it was twice a year. He would get angry about seemingly minor things, like something on the news or something trivial on the TV.), and eventually, he was unhappy and upset about everything.
Your only mistake is that you didn’t demand that he sees a therapist. Instead, you ignored it (I just started tuning it out and not listening), which probably triggered him even more.
It’s good that you are aware of your own limitations:
I was not willing to start what would be a difficult conversation. I don’t feel comfortable talking about emotions and I have come to realise that I have a lot to do in this area to develop emotionally.
Nevertheless, it is NOT your duty to tip-toe around his triggers. He needs to seek help, if he wants to have a semblance of a healthy relationship.
He still doesn’t feel in a place to make a decision about whether he can be with me, which I have found difficult. He has very black and white views on things, and I have put myself into the black category.
No, dear Emma, HE has put you into the black category. You don’t belong there. You did make mistakes in the relationship, but the biggest problem is his refusal to seek therapy and then blaming you for triggering him. He is his biggest enemy, not you.
He cannot believe anything I say and even though I have made great efforts to educate myself and try to change, I have so much against me.
You do indeed. What you have against you is his stubbornness and his refusal to seek help (and take responsibility for his healing, instead of blaming you).
I am really trying to see things from his perspective, but I can’t silence the voice in my head that says he’s being unfair and I’m just not this horrible, bad person he thinks I am.
You are right. Don’t silence this voice, because you’re not this horrible person that his traumatized self is accusing you of!
However, when I look objectively at the things I have done, it could be seen as abusive, and that really upsets me.
Well, you did make some mistakes, e.g. ignoring his problems instead of urging him to seek help. Tuning out instead of telling him, with empathy, that you cannot live with him if he continues to blame you instead of seek help. But you haven’t been abusive to him, that’s for sure. The real abuse happened earlier in his life and he has been suffering the consequences since.
TeeParticipantDear Laura,
there are so many examples of beautiful women being cheated on. One that gained worldwide attention is when in 1995, a famous actor cheated on his famous and amazingly beautiful girlfriend, with a prostitute. In a most recent gossip, another famous actor has just abandoned his very attractive girlfriend because she’s turned 25.
I tend to agree with the second poster here (Ade), who said that men (and women) cheat mostly because they feel some of their emotional needs aren’t met. It doesn’t necessarily mean that their partner isn’t fulfilling those needs, but that the person who is cheating has emotional scars which lead them to seek excitement, validation, appreciation etc outside the committed relationship.
Have you yourself experienced being cheated on? If you have, I am very sorry. You are welcome to share some more, if you feel like it.
TeeParticipantDear Neera,
glad to hear from you again! I am sorry you’re going through these bitter arguments with your mother, and that you are forced to stay at your parent’s place for an entire month. I’ll try to give you my perspective on what is going on and how you might be able to get out of it…
Growing up, my mom was my idol, and my best friend.
I always had pressure to be this “perfect” daughter and overtime I beat myself over it if I do not live to those certain standards.
most my childhood my decisions were based around their prefereces. The older I have got and tried to make boundaries, the more resistance they (mom especially) became.
So, as a child you loved your mother a lot, she was your idol and you wanted to please her. You did everything in your power to make her happy. Perhaps that was the time when your parents fought a lot, and since you mentioned domestic abuse – does it mean your father was hitting your mother? Perhaps you saw your mother as a victim and this made you even more willing to please her and not to upset her?
When you got a little older, in your teens, and tried to assert your own will, your mother would get very angry with you. She would swear and yell at you. It didn’t help if you asked her to talk more calmly and not use swear words. The way you described her reaction, it seems like rage. Each time you bring up the slightest disagreement or critique of her, she gets enraged. And then afterwards she gives you silent treatment.
That too is emotional manipulation – she practically shuts you down and you are “disarmed”, probably feeling guilty that you have “upset” your mother so much. The problem, the way I see it, is that with your overt or covert critique, you are trying to make her see how unfair she was during your childhood, how she was manipulating you, controlling you, and eventually emotionally manipulated you into staying at home instead of going to the university. You are always bringing up the same topic with her – comparing yourself and your sister – because you want her to finally admit that she wronged you. And you are still angry with her.
You have all the reasons to feel angry and wronged – because indeed, you were, no doubt. Where you are making a mistake is to hope that she will admit that she wronged you. I think it’s safe to say that you’ll never hear that from your mother. She doesn’t seem to have the capacity to hear the slightest critique. She immediately goes on the offensive, going into a fit of rage, or giving you silent treatment. It’s a way to shut you up.
The only healthy and constructive way to process your anger (which is justified, mind you!) is in therapy. Once you process it, you won’t need a “confession” from her, and you’ll be able to let her off the hook – i.e. minimize contact. You won’t need to visit once or twice per week, but you’ll be fine with meeting your sister elsewhere, e.g. at your place, once it’s finished.
So the key, in my opinion, is to stop expecting anything from your mother, and process your anger and hurt in therapy. How does that sound to you?
TeeParticipantDear W,
You are very welcome. You’ve said some very important things, which suggest that you have been hurt in relationships, and you are afraid not to be hurt again:
The loneliest times in my life are when I am in a relationship
My last relationship was about 17 years ago about 20 years ago a very important relationship that meant a lot to me ended.
In my life I don’t want to feel loss anymore
Since you feel most lonely while in a relationship, no wonder you’re hesitating to enter one.
Very often, our romantic relationships are the mirror of the relationship we had as children with our parents or care-takers. We might feel very similar emotions, e.g. that of feeling lonely, that we felt while growing up. If you felt lonely while growing up, it is very likely that you would feel similarly as an adult – because the wound of feeling lonely and not being given enough care and attention is still in you.
You would like your partner to be “just yours” (I don’t feel like she would just be mine). This is how we feel as children: we want our mother (or care-taker) to be just ours. If she isn’t present, or she is present but absent-minded, or giving attention to someone or something else – we feel angry and hurt.
The fact that your girlfriend has a social life outside of spending time with you, made you very upset. I am not saying you should be happy if she is someone who goes to bars frequently and gets drunk often (does she?). But it seems that a bigger problem here is your fear of having to “share” her with other people – that she is spending time and giving attention to people other than you. Which would be a reaction to a childhood wound.
Does this sound like a plausible explanation to you?
TeeParticipantDear W,
I think your feelings (of being hurt and foolish) show that you aren’t clear what exactly you want from this woman. On one hand, you rejected her advances multiple times: first time 3 years ago, and then again 1 year ago, when you two started working together. You said you weren’t ready for a relationship. In spite of that, you spend a lot of time together and your colleagues suspect you two are dating. But in fact, nothing physical ever happened.
We keep getting closer… It’s kind of a weird relationship where we have discussed if we would date other people and we each have stated that neither one of us is looking for anyone else.
It seems to me that she is as close to you as you let her. She would like to get even closer, but it is you who is hesitating, aren’t you? She said she doesn’t want to date anyone else, that your friendship is the most important thing in her life, besides her children, and that she cherishes every moment you spend together. All this tells me that she is very much into you, and is probably waiting for you to change your mind, i.e. to finally accept her as a romantic partner. Until then, she seems satisfied with being your friend and spending a lot of time together.
But as Helcat said, since you aren’t dating, she has the freedom to go out and do what she pleases. Maybe that evening when she got drunk, she was actually drowning her sorrow in alcohol, because you don’t want to be with her?? OK, I am saying this half-jokingly, but who knows…. specially since later she was embarrassed about it and didn’t want you to find out.
Anyway, she got out with some male colleagues and it upset you very much. You feel “hurt and foolish”. In what way do you believe she hurt you? I think it would be important to get to the bottom of this, to clarify what you really feel for her.
TeeParticipantDear aVoid,
I feel so lost and alone. I don’t know where to start. It’s like some supernatural power such as a dark cloud is hanging about my head.
I know the feeling. I first started feeling it consciously in my teenage years. It continued into my adolescence and beyond – the cloud was always there. No matter how perfect the outer circumstances where, even when I was loved and cared for by my then boyfriend, I could never be happy because of that cloud.
Later I’ve realized that the cloud – which was the relentless, ever-present sadness – wasn’t above my head, but it was deep within me, in my heart, in my soul. I was sad because I felt unloved. And not only unloved, but unlovable. There was an emptiness, a longing in my heart, which no amount of outer love and care could fill (and no amount of food either – I was suffering from an eating disorder).
This happens if we haven’t received enough love, care and appreciation as children. I certainly haven’t, I was criticized a lot and was never good enough for my mother. She wasn’t absent like your mother was, but her presence was toxic. My father was much more benign, but allowed my mother to spill her toxicity on me. He didn’t protect me.
You worry that “the monsters I’ve been fighting my whole life are who I’ve now become“.
I can relate, because I believed I was a freak. A monster. I thought I was a freak because of my addiction, but much later I’ve realized that I believed I was a freak because my mother told me so. Because she only saw bad in me, she never praised me but only scolded me. That’s how I became a freak, a pathetic loser undeserving of love – in my own eyes.
Our childhood defines us. It shapes how we see ourselves later in life.
You had a very rough childhood, aVoid, with very little love and care. And the image you’ve adopted about yourself is that of a loser, a monster, a nobody. But that image is false. It’s the reaction to the lack of love and the abuse that you’ve experienced. Because the child always blames themselves if they are treated poorly. The child never blames the parents.
But all I want is to be a man. Is to have control over my life. I want to stop this. I want to quit smoking. I want to quit porn. I want to get out of the video games and come back to reality. But how?
First, understand that there is a child part in you – called the inner child. He is an innocent little boy, who believes that he is unworthy of love. The pain of this self-image, of this false belief, is so strong that you need to numb it with alcohol, porn, video games, and any other addiction. All of your addictions served one purpose: to numb this unbearable pain.
If you understand that this little boy needs love and appreciation, you can provide it to him. You can provide what you have never received from your parents. Once the little boy receives what he is longing for, the pain will diminish and you won’t have to numb it with addictions. It will all sort it self out, slowly but surely.
I do believe that therapy is very important, but I’d suggest you find someone who knows how to work the inner child and complex trauma (complex PTSD).
There is a way out, aVoid. You can make it, same as I did. You are not a terrible person. You are only wounded. Wounded people don’t need to be judged, they need compassion, so they can heal. Compassion is the first step…
Let me know how this sounds to you…
TeeParticipantDear Stargazer17,
You say you are still struggling mentally. One of the questions that is bothering you is whether to tell your boyfriend about the incident or not. One thing I’ve noticed is that you’re not sure how he would react, and that you believe there might be some severe losses involved:
Do I tell my boyfriend I kissed someone and risk losing my 8 year relationship, house, dog, life?
I feel like I don’t deserve the support from him after what I’ve done to him. I really feel like I’ve ruined our perfect relationship. I’m scared if I tell him I’ll really ruin what we have.
I don’t think he would leave me, which is why I think I shouldn’t mention it. Because he will live with that pain.
So the potential losses are that he gets angry with you and leaves you, and you lose your “relationship, house, dog, life”. Another possibility – according to your own predictions – is that he might not leave you, but that he would be very hurt and “would live with that pain”. Which would also have a negative effect on your relationship, even if you stayed together.
In both of those scenarios – assuming they have some probability – you wouldn’t gain anything by telling him. On the contrary, it might lead to great suffering, either for you or him, or for both of you.
And since you’re going through a difficult life situation, with your parents divorcing and you needing to take care of your younger sisters, it would just make you more stressed and fragile. That’s why I wouldn’t suggest confessing to him at this point, because it might be just too much for you.
Instead, what I see much more useful and pressing is to talk to your therapist by all means, to get it off your chest. Trust me, she won’t judge you, and you’ll be able to start the process of healing and developing more self-love and self-compassion, and stop blaming yourself so relentlessly.
Once you get emotionally stronger, you’ll be able to see your “transgression” more clearly and decide whether you want to tell your boyfriend or not. But I wouldn’t pressure myself to tell him right now – give yourself some time to work with the therapist to process and heal.
TeeParticipantDear Anonymouscat,
You said on another thread (“Emotional blackmail by Indian father against love marriage”) that you are in a similar situation like the original poster there. Here on your thread you said: “her parents won’t approve and she never gives me a timeline on when she willing to come over to me.”
Does it mean that her parents are against your relationship due to religious/cultural reasons, and they will never approve of it, no matter what? If so, and if she tends to abide by her parents’ will, then I am afraid you don’t have much prospects to be with her.
However, if there is a chance that their parents would change their mind, or that she would become more willing to stand up for herself and go against their will – then it makes sense to try and deepen the relationship. In that case, I think the first sensible step would be for you to visit her – not to expect her to visit you, because the latter will be much more difficult. If you visit her, you’ll both have the chance to see if you are compatible and decide on further steps.
Basically she would be giving up everything her family/frds to come be with me. Am I being selfish ?
If you expect her to visit you or to even move to your country without ever having met in person, and with her parents objecting – that would be asking too much of her and putting her in a very difficult situation. So yes, that might be selfish. But if you travel to visit her (provided she agrees to it), you put the pressure off of her, and are doing what you can to take the relationship to the next level. That in my eyes would be the best next step, if it’s feasible to you.
TeeParticipantDear Stargazer17,
The transgression you’ve made – kissing a boy while under the influence of alcohol and drugs – isn’t such an unforgivable mistake. It happens sometimes that we are attracted to someone other than our partner, which isn’t a sin – it is allowed to feel attraction. The question is what we do with it. Your mistake was that you were drunk and as other posters said, it lowered your inhibitions, and you lost control over your impulses. If you hadn’t been drunk, it wouldn’t have happened.
Luckily, what happened was just a kiss and nothing more. You say that it actually cemented your commitment towards your boyfriend because you’ve realized that the grass isn’t greener on the other side. If that’s really true, then it actually served a purpose, it helped you see things more clearly. And since it didn’t harm anybody, you can file it as a very stupid thing – equally stupid as getting drunk and high and losing control of yourself – which you will make sure not to happen again.
However, if you aren’t able to see it as a stupid mistake which happened due to alcohol and drugs, and if you keep blaming and hating yourself, saying “I hate myself for this and I probably will forever” and “I really feel like I’ve ruined my life”, then there is more to unpack here.
Such a strong feeling of guilt and dread over a relatively minor transgression tells me that you are in the habit of feeling guilty, and as you’ve discussed it with anita and Helcat, it most probably has to do with your childhood. Maybe you were blamed a lot, or even if you weren’t openly blamed, you might have felt it was your responsibility if things in your family didn’t work out? So there might be a false belief somewhere working in you, telling you “I am to blame”, “It’s all my fault”.
You did mention that you weren’t close to your mother: “I’ve not got a close/good relationship with her and never have gone to her for help or advice”. The reason for this could be that she was judgmental and you often felt guilty for not meeting her expectations? You didn’t dare to confide in her because she would judge you? I am not claiming it was so, just mentioning it as a possibility.
You also said: She loves my boyfriend a lot so I think she would be really disappointed in me and almost think how could you.
There could be an expectation that you should stay with your boyfriend, even if there might be a part of you that is unsure about it.
If you have lived your life trying to please your mother (or both of your parents), being a “good girl”, then you might not even know what you really want. This might have led you to go out and explore your “wild side” in that kissing incident. If we suppress and control ourselves too much, we end up bursting at the seams sometimes, and doing inappropriate things.
OK, these are all speculations, I don’t know if any of this is true for you, but if it feels it resonates, we can talk some more.
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