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October 25, 2025 at 11:54 am #451238
anitaParticipantThank you, Tee. Still no power, can’t shower or anything 😕
Yes, l remember, 2 problems. I focused on the knee problem because that’s where I struggle.
People in this area get injured a lot, slipping on ice, falling from the roof, wearing out the body doing construction work, logging and whatnot, so I come across lots of people with injuries.
A neighbor of mine slipped and fell on wet or icy deck and injured her hip and spine. Was in a lot of pain for a long time, all kinds of treatments, nothing helped for long until she had some kind of implant installed in her spine. She explained it to me, sounded high tech, sci-fi (I forgot the details, but can ask her)
She said- pain gone.
I am looking forward to you getting back to me.
I am also looking forward to some power 🔋
* I hope it’s okay that I shared about my neighbor..
Anita
October 25, 2025 at 12:41 pm #451239
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
A neighbor of mine slipped and fell on wet or icy deck and injured her hip and spine. Was in a lot of pain for a long time, all kinds of treatments, nothing helped for long until she had some kind of implant installed in her spine. She explained it to me, sounded high tech, sci-fi (I forgot the details, but can ask her)
I’ve got a herniated disc (at least that’s the previous diagnosis – will have to see what’s going on now), and it was possible to treat with physical therapy, fortunately. It was a long and nerve-wrecking process, but thankfully it got better eventually.
I don’t know what’s going on now, but hopefully no surgery will be needed this time around either. Fingers crossed! So thank you, Anita, but for now I’d rather not even think about surgery options (perplexed face emoji)
I am also looking forward to some power 🔋
Has the storm calmed down? After a storm like that, how long does it usually take them to get the power back up?
October 25, 2025 at 1:14 pm #451240
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Power is back for now. When the power came back I realized that a part of me (the catastrophizing part) thought it might be forever. I’m getting better at it though, at the Not- Forever part.
“thank you, Anita, but for now I’d rather not even think about..”- of course, I am sorry I brought it up. In my mind, I was thinking it can bring you hope. No more mention of it.
(I am still afraid to say the wrong thing, and VERY motivated not to.. so please let me know when I do, or when I might, just like you did above).
I like your “perplexed face emoji” (cute).. let me fetch it.. 😕
“After a storm like that, how long does it usually take them to get the power back up?”- this time it was less than 12 hours. There were times power was lost for days at a time, 3 days- the longest in my experience.
Fingers crossed for you, Tee. I mean, really.. really I so wish that things will get better again, that you will be hopeful and mobile again soon!!!
🤞 🍀 🫶 Anita
October 25, 2025 at 2:10 pm #451243
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
Good luck with the storm! I hope you get power soon. ❤️ 💡
October 25, 2025 at 7:10 pm #451244
anitaParticipantHi Alessa:
Thank you! Good reading from you in my own thread (and everywhere else)!
🙏 ❤️ 💡, Anita
October 26, 2025 at 9:22 am #451246
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
this time it was less than 12 hours. There were times power was lost for days at a time, 3 days- the longest in my experience.
Wow, 12 hours is a long time, not to mention 3 days!! No wonder you felt at times it would never come back…
(I am still afraid to say the wrong thing, and VERY motivated not to.. so please let me know when I do, or when I might, just like you did above).
Please don’t worry about saying the wrong thing – each of us might do that from time to time, inadvertently, because we can’t always know what another person is sensitive about, what they’d rather not talk about, and suchlike. The good thing is that we can express our preferences to each other, without either party getting offended or defensive. That’s the beauty of non-violent communication, which I too have been learning about in recent times…
So please don’t worry, you did nothing wrong by mentioning it, it’s just that right now, at this point, I’d still like to believe that I won’t need surgery. 🙏 But thanks for your concern and offer anyway ❤️
I like your “perplexed face emoji” (cute).. let me fetch it.. 😕
Thanks, I’ll copy it in a doc file for future use 😊
Fingers crossed for you, Tee. I mean, really.. really I so wish that things will get better again, that you will be hopeful and mobile again soon!!!
Thank you so much, Anita! 🫶 ❤️
October 26, 2025 at 9:45 am #451247
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I was just going to post to you not knowing that you just submitted a post. I am studying the 3 health problems you mentioned and learning new things I had no idea about, and I was wondering if you’d like me to share what’s new to me? Although I’m sure a lot wouldn’t be new to you.. but something may be.. maybe?
As to your post right above: thank you, Tee. You are the best!
“it’s just that right now, at this point, I’d still like to believe that I won’t need surgery.”- that’s exactly it, what I am excited about from what I’m reading, that likely you don’t need it! This is the part I want to share with you most (without mentioning the word.. responded to it here because you did).
But of course, I may be blind to something here and I will keep what I’m learning to myself if that’s your choice.
❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita
October 26, 2025 at 11:03 am #451249
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
I am studying the 3 health problems you mentioned and learning new things I had no idea about, and I was wondering if you’d like me to share what’s new to me? Although I’m sure a lot wouldn’t be new to you.. but something may be.. maybe?
that’s exactly it, what I am excited about from what I’m reading, that likely you don’t need it!
If I’m honest, I’d prefer not to go into the details of those health problems right now, since I don’t even know what my latest diagnosis will be. And I’ve really been studying a lot about it myself, over the past several years, so right now, gathering more knowledge – while not even knowing what I am dealing with – sounds counter-productive to me.
I appreciate your enthusiasm and willingness to help, but right now, I’d prefer if we wouldn’t keep discussing those health issues and possible treatment options, for now. I hope you understand ❤️
October 26, 2025 at 11:17 am #451250
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
I didn’t see through her. I didn’t see that she was bluffing.. All Those Years.. I didn’t see!
You said it, “fake suicide threats”, I wasn’t sure. No one called them Fake before, not that I remember.
I can imagine no one said it out loud. However your sister, once she was already a grown-up woman and had spent decades listening to the same threat, probably realized that your mother is using it to emotionally blackmail her. Probably that’s why she told her “then do it!” You don’t say that to someone who is truly struggling with suicidal ideations, but to someone who has been repeatedly using it to emotionally blackmail you. And indeed, after your sister’s remark, your mother stopped mentioning it… because clearly, she didn’t want to commit suicide – it was just a manipulation tactic.
But as children and youth, we don’t know that. We believe our parents – and we’re afraid to lose them. So of course it works. It’s a very cruel manipulation tactic, and a very potent one, because it stops us in our tracks and we give into anything the person wants, because we’re afraid they might harm themselves 🙁
Yes, BIG TIME! Always, 100%, no nuance, no shades of grey.
Narcissistic behavior right there – it’s always someone else’s fault, never their own…
So, no way to help her.. because she’s been helping herself by being always-victim. That I figured out some time ago.. She’s been helping herself the only way she knew how.. How did I say it before, in one of my other threads: I tried so hard to help her, feeling so guilty that I failed.. while all along she was helping herself to me, at my expense. So, I helped her simply by being her victim.
Unfortunately, yes. Her playing the victim was a manipulation tactic, because she never really wanted to get better. Covert narcissistic people complain not because they want solutions to their problems, but because they want attention, they want people to worry about them, spend their time and energy on them. They also guilt-trip people for being happy while the “poor them” are “suffering so greatly”. They guilt trip you for laughing – you’re not allowed to laugh because it offends the narcissist… etc etc.
Yes, exactly! Again, I am having this strange feeling that you were there. Didn’t have this feeling with anyone before, not irl or online.
I think it’s a combination of my personal experience and other people’s experiences, which they’ve shared on youtube, as well as those expert videos. It seems those personality patterns are quite universal, i.e. people with a certain personality type behave quite similarly and use similar manipulation tactics. I think that’s why I may appear so “accurate”, when in fact I’m just listing the common features of this kind of parents, unfortunately.
mission impossible, rogers that.
Yeah, that’s a heavy realization (that we can’t really do anything to please them), but for me, it was a freeing one as well. How is it for you at the moment?
L.Y.I.N.G. It makes me angry!
Oh yes, a lot of narcissistic behavior is anger-inducing! And it’s a real skill to communicate in a detached way (if we choose to communicate with them). That’s why I’ve been mentioning emotional detachment so much – that’s one of the key preconditions for healing from narcissistic abuse. But it’s a process, and it’s okay to feel angry first, because that kind of behavior is certainly abusive… and we have the right to feel angry.
Now mostly in my shoulders, back then they were everywhere and more severe, every single voluntary muscle tic-ed. It was difficult to fall asleep, and the social embarrassment was acute.
I can imagine it was extremely hard for you, both physically and emotionally, specially during those sensitive teenage years 🙁 If it’s any consolation, I’m glad that your tics have lessened over time, which is I assume the result of healing and processing some of those emotions?
As a teenager, I clearly remember my head jerking from right to left, as in saying NO. That tic happened a lot when she was talking to me. I remember thinking: Doesn’t she see me “saying” no? Why wouldn’t she stop talking..???
Right.. your body was expressing what you didn’t dare to: your protest, your NO. And you’re rightly asking how come your mother never stopped to ask you what’s wrong.
But unfortunately, it only goes to show how narcissistic parents are insensitive to their children’s needs, how self-absorbed they are: it was more important for her to meet her “need” of criticizing you than to inquire about your well-being, when you were clearly and visibly in distress… 😕
Dear Anita, have to go now, but hope to reply to your 2nd post a bit later…
❤️
October 26, 2025 at 11:35 am #451251
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Yes, I understand better now. Thank you for your understanding and for being gentle and patient with me.
After sending you the last message I felt not right about being excited or enthusiastic in that message, imagining how that excitement might not land well for someone in your situation. it’s that distance between Intent (to help you, to give you just a small fraction of the time, attention and effort you generously gave hundreds of members in the forums) and Effect (how such “help” may exacerbate your anxiety, how the intent lands).
I think that I was not attuned to you and I regret it.
Here’s something I came across this morning, a quote: “You body is like a lighthouse — strong, rooted, and built to withstand storms. Sometimes the sea rises without warning. Waves crash. Fog rolls in. But the lighthouse doesn’t panic. It doesn’t abandon its post. It simply waits, steady and aware, until the storm passes.”
I hope and am very much looking forward to reading from you again and finding out what happens next for you, fingers crossed.
🤞 ❤️🤞 ❤️ 🤞, Anita
October 26, 2025 at 11:46 am #451252
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I submitted the above before being aware of your most recent message, thank you so much! I will process and reply later, but for now.. well, I am just in awe of you, Tee. You are amazing (emotional).
Please take best care of your precious, positively special .. you!!!
🤞 ❤️🤞 ❤️ 🤞, Anita
October 26, 2025 at 12:52 pm #451253
TeeParticipantDear Anita,
thank you for your understanding. I do appreciate your intent, but as you said, exploring various treatment options would at this point only exacerbate my anxiety, so yes, better to leave if for now.
Here’s something I came across this morning, a quote: “You body is like a lighthouse — strong, rooted, and built to withstand storms. Sometimes the sea rises without warning. Waves crash. Fog rolls in. But the lighthouse doesn’t panic. It doesn’t abandon its post. It simply waits, steady and aware, until the storm passes.”
That’s a beautiful quote, and I appreciate it very much ❤️ Yes, over the past few years, I’ve realized that my body is more resilient than I think, and that helped me deal with the spine issues the first time they’ve appeared. I’m trying to keep that attitude now as well…
Thank you for all your support and good wishes! ❤️ 🫶
October 26, 2025 at 5:06 pm #451254
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
I am glad you liked the quote, and that you have realized in the last few years that indeed your body is more resilient than you think!
I think that you are courageous, that you embody not only superb intelligence and wisdom but also remarkable courage. 🫶 ❤️ 🫶
And now, I will attend to your earlier message:
“I can imagine no one said it out loud (“fake suicide threats”). However your sister, once she was already a grown-up woman and had spent decades listening to the same threat, probably realized that your mother is using it to emotionally blackmail her. Probably that’s why she told her ‘then do it!’ You don’t say that to someone who is truly struggling with suicidal ideations, but to someone who has been repeatedly using it to emotionally blackmail you. And indeed, after your sister’s remark, your mother stopped mentioning it.. because clearly, she didn’t want to commit suicide – it was just a manipulation tactic.”-
This has never been as clear to me as it is now, as I read the above. She used my and my sister’s love for her, our need for her to be alive against us.. weaponizing our love and need for her, causing us great harm. I am trying to imagine me doing this: let’s say I have a child who looks up to me with need/love and trust, and what do I do?
I threaten the child: “I will kill myself” (unless you.. feel this way, or do this or that..). And I do it repeatedly. That would be very cruel, it makes anxious right now.
I really thought that she meant it because she was so miserable. Seems like I always tended to interpret her behavior as honest, and then I struggled with loving and hating her, still confused, and now I see CRUELTY, and it feels new to see it this way, to see her this way. I think I’m on the way to neither love her nor hate her.
“But as children and youth, we don’t know that. We believe our parents – and we’re afraid to lose them. So of course it works. It’s a very cruel manipulation tactic, and a very potent one, because it stops us in our tracks and we give into anything the person wants, because we’re afraid they might harm themselves 🙁”-
my goodness, you said the word right above, CRUEL, “a very cruel manipulation tactic”. (In this post, like in others in the past, I read part of it and reply before I read the next part.. so the word cruel, I brought it up, and then I read you bringing it up).
My sister did indeed give into everything her mother wanted. She told me once that she felt like a puppet on strings, the mother moving the strings. She too suffered a whole lot, she still does.
“Narcissistic behavior right there – it’s always someone else’s fault, never their own…”- A.L.W.A.Y.S, no exception to the rule.
“Unfortunately, yes. Her playing the victim was a manipulation tactic, because she never really wanted to get better. Covert narcissistic people complain not because they want solutions to their problems, but because they want attention, they want people to worry about them, spend their time and energy on them.”-
I paid so much attention to her that she became Everything (my center/ Planet), and I was Nothing (a lost satellite orbiting her). I guess this is what enmeshment is about..?
“They also guilt-trip people for being happy while the “poor them” are “suffering so greatly”. They guilt trip you for laughing – you’re not allowed to laugh because it offends the narcissist… etc. etc.”-
She guilt tripped me so much and so heavily that I clearly remember thinking (maybe I journaled it back then) as a teenager: “If I can live ONE DAY without feeling guilty, my life will be worth living!”
And decades later I say: although I have challenges in life, the fact that I am no longer drowning in guilt in regard to her does indeed make my life worth living!
“I think it’s a combination of my personal experience and other people’s experiences… I think that’s why I may appear so ‘accurate’, when in fact I’m just listing the common features of this kind of parents, unfortunately.”-
You are humble. You have a unique talent explaining things. I think you’d be amazing explaining things on your own YouTube channel
“Yeah, that’s a heavy realization (that we can’t really do anything to please them), but for me, it was a freeing one as well. How is it for you at the moment?”-
At this moment I realize that all that love for her that I expressed in my threads.. I didn’t understand it then. Now I think it was an emotional reaching out to her still.. still hoping for her to be pleased with me.
“Oh yes, a lot of narcissistic behavior is anger-inducing! And it’s a real skill to communicate in a detached way (if we choose to communicate with them). That’s why I’ve been mentioning emotional detachment so much – that’s one of the key preconditions for healing from narcissistic abuse. But it’s a process, and it’s okay to feel angry first, because that kind of behavior is certainly abusive… and we have the right to feel angry.”-
I think that as I stop still reaching out to her emotionally (feeling that love, that longing for her), like I wrote earlier in this message (and before I read your words right above), I will also stop hating/ being angry at her.
When you visit your mother.. you don’t get retraumatized a bit..? (I wondered about this for awhile, could be just projection).
“I can imagine it was extremely hard for you, both physically and emotionally, specially during those sensitive teenage years 🙁 If it’s any consolation, I’m glad that your tics have lessened over time, which is I assume the result of healing and processing some of those emotions?”-
Not being around her helped a great deal. The intensity may have lessened also because changing hormones (worst during adolescence). But they’re still intense enough to lessen my quality of life every hour, every day
“Right.. your body was expressing what you didn’t dare to: your protest, your NO. And you’re rightly asking how come your mother never stopped to ask you what’s wrong. But unfortunately, it only goes to show how narcissistic parents are insensitive to their children’s needs, how self-absorbed they are: it was more important for her to meet her ‘need’ of criticizing you than to inquire about your well-being, when you were clearly and visibly in distress… 😕”-
Haha! You used the perplexed face emoji 😊
But yes, it’s.. the image of the lost, small satellite (me) circling the big planet (her) comes back to mind. Growing up (in) I was nowhere to be seen. In what she reflected back to me, there was no me. All that was- was she.
“Dear Anita, have to go now, but hope to reply to your 2nd post a bit later..”- thank you so much Tee. I think so highly of you, and again, eternally grateful.
🙏, ❤️ and 🤞 🤞 🤞, Anita
October 26, 2025 at 7:58 pm #451255
anitaParticipantAnita (A): Hi, dear Little Girl Anita (LGA)
LGA: hi
A: How are you?
LGA: I am fine.
A: Is this something new, feeling fine?
LGA: Yes, pretty much. I think that you (A) and I (LGA) are the same person.
A: Tell me..?
LGA/ A: We are the same person.
A/LGA: We were lost for so long.
LGA/A: We were F.O.C.U.S.E.D on the wrong person, our mind skewed, twisted by a twisted person.
And I’m okay with calling my/ our mother twisted.
The COST to us.. decades of lost living.
And not a unique story, so much loss in this often twisted world.
LGA: I think I grew up. I mean I am not reaching out to her (mother) anymore.
No longer reaching out to Mother, I am no longer Little Girl reaching out to Big Mother.
A: any sadness?
Little Big Girl Anita (LBGA): No, it’s the release of sadness. All these DECADES, more than half a century (a freaking long time .. angry) I took her behavior personally, as if it meant I was Shameful, I was Guilty, I was Worthless, I was Bad… While All Along, her words, her behavior.. had NOTHING AT ALL to do with me, with who I was.
Her words, her behavior had nothing to do with who I was, and everything to do with who she was, and with whom the grown-up people in her life were (her parents, the people who neglected or abused her before I was even born).
My WHOLE LIFE I reacted to a person/ a legacy in which I had no part.
This all means that the D.I.S.C.O.N.N.E.C.T between my mother and I was .. unbridgeable.
And I held on to her, trying to reach her in a thousand and one ways.
A: You are getting emotional, I sense it, tears in your eyes.
LBGA: I can handle it. I feel like an adult now.. no longer reaching out to a previously perceived Goddess Mother.
A: So, you and I are one.
Yes. It amazes me that ALL THOSE YEARS at 20, 30, 40, 50.. All along I was nothing but a little girl reaching out to Mother-Goddess, trying to. for once, “make mother LOVE ME! Make her.. make her… Make her love me..
Oh, pretty please, make her LOVE me..!
(this is LGA talking).
(Whomever is talking now, it’s me, Anita, making it raw):
I don’t really want to say my age.. It’s been SIXTY whole years of little girl Anita reaching out/ seeking-hoping- will do anything for mother’s love.
Not available for me, but my goodness, the DESIRE for her love has been so strong, so enduring.
And as strong, as 6-decade long enduring, this desire can never be satisfied.
She’ll never love me *tears
LGA: Why won’t she love me???
A: (thinking.. trying not to intellectualize/ rationalize)…
She wouldn’t- couldn’t love you/ me- couldn’t, wouldn’t because…
Because.. help me LGA-
LGA: Because for her, I wasn’t even there. There was no M.E. No Anita. I WASN’T EVEN THERE. I DIDN’T EXIST. There was only her. No me.
A: Ah.. True. For her, there was no Anita.
I mean, true, 100 percent true: in her presentation, in her perception there was no Anita, only her.
LGA (I don’t know who is whom): All these SIX decades, I was after someone who couldn’t/ wouldn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE me as a separate person.. as anything separate/ independent of she, SHE, SHE/ HER, she-she-she only one reality.
A: Yes.. Just that. yes, 100 % narcissistic, 0% Anita, 100% Mother (Ima).
No Anita is allowed, no Anita is welcomed.
LGA: only her?
A: Her and no one else.
A: That’s what narcissism is about.. Only Me and No One Else. Tee said it. She’s our friend. The narcissistic mother said: you can trust no one. She was right: I couldn’t should not trust HER. But I can- and should trust someone who does see me.
Anita
October 27, 2025 at 12:44 pm #451277
AlessaParticipantHi Anita
I’m glad to hear the storm is over and you have power back. Well done on your inner child work. It sounds like you’re making a lot of headway. ❤️
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