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  • #451469
    anita
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    Corrective Exercise tonight:

    Looking up to where the rope begins, up, up. up there, beyond where I can SEE-

    There’s no one there holding the rope.

    No one there.

    No Mother 4 Me

    There’s a person there, just not a person For me.

    So, on a helicopter, there’s the me, the lost me, now gathering strength, saying- (Tee.. having you in mind), My Darling, I am here For you.

    Let go of the idea, let go of the dream, the fantasy.

    Let go of what you wish she was

    Accept that she wasn’t.

    Nothing personal, it was nothing personal- not a reflection of me.

    Mother Stanger.

    Always has been.

    No Mother 4 Me.

    I wish I could calm the tic in my left shoulder right now. It has a life of its own.

    Mother Yolande (her original name), Goodbye. May you rest in peace. I know you are dying, will be dying soon.

    I let you go. I let go of Fantasy. Amen. May you rest in peace, in the world After this one.

    You didn’t mean to hurt me- outside the times you did.

    Goodbye, Mother, Ima-

    I would have done.. I did all I could do for this Stanger-mother you.

    But you’d never know.

    A Stranger. Disconnect.. on your part, stranger.

    I will connect where I can, to people who will reciprocate.. even if it’s just a bit.

    Anita

    #451470
    anita
    Participant

    I had a few hors of exercise, rain- cold-free few hours outside, and then socializing with a few people indoors, by the fire, in real-life, red wine.. and then back home.

    Here, only 7:13 pm, totally, TOTALLY dark outside, nothing but the reflection of this computer in the windows that earlier, this morning, reflected new sun and trees with leaves and mountains.

    Too close to the north pole here, says I.

    Dark. Totally black.

    Early Nov 3 am morning in Europe.. It’s comforting to know that as dark as it is here, it’s light where you are, or soon to be. London, UK: Nov 3, 6:42 AM, Madrid, Spain: 7:42 AM, Warsaw, Poland: 7:42 AM CET.. and here, still Nov 2, 7:30 pm, right now.

    Anita

    #451486
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee and Alessa:

    Thank you for participating in this thread. I appreciate the two of you 🙂

    I am thinking of you, Tee, wondering how you’re doing at this time, in regard to your health issues on one hand, and your courage and resilience, on the other.

    I know anxiety every day (mostly felt through the tics), but also worries of different kinds, the mental health of others, people suffering all over the world.

    I am still afraid to say the wrong thing to you, Tee. Like I just wrote in another thread, I am learning and practicing social skills these very days, a much needed practice. I know that my intent with you, Tee, is 100% positive.

    Of course, I understand that this is a difficult time for you and it’s hard to concentrate on anything else when you’re in pain, so I don’t expect you to read or respond to me at this time. Only if it suits you.. only if it means something positive for you, when it does.

    And so, I continue my non-linear, not-neat, messy inner child healing work, and again, it’s okay if you choose to not respond 🙂.

    What stayed in my mind after last evening posts, is the image of me (the inner child) hanging on, holding tightly to a rope in mid-air, with no one holding the beginning of the rope for me. So, a rope in mid-air wit a child holding on to it, but no one else holding it.

    So, if all this time I didn’t fall to my death, no danger in letting go of the rope.

    I let it go and quietly, softly descend and land on a solid ground. As solid as anyone’s ground can be.

    I now see this soft landing as my corrective exercise.

    The person landing is a child, a teenager, a young woman, a middle-aged woman, an older woman.

    It is time for this first in a lifetime landing, rope drifting away, no longer visible.

    Anita

    #451492
    anita
    Participant

    Mondays have been a definite no afternoon/ evening socializing irl. I do hope to be around people tomorrow!??

    It’s something I so desperately missed as a child, a teenager, and onward. It’s like OXYGEN for me, P.O.E.P.L.E.

    inner child healing work this evening, whatever comes to mind:

    Anita (A): hello, Little Girl Anita (LGA). How are you this early, so very dark evening (not even 6 pm yet)?

    LGA: I am a little girl, I like being a little girl.

    I never got to be a little girl.

    It’s fun being a little girl.

    A: How was it before?

    LGA: Not fun, not fun at all..!!!

    A: Tell me more..?

    LGA: My life as a little girl was put on hold.

    Never got to enjoy LIFE. Was depressing, was all about Mother’s Misery (M’M)

    A: I don’t necessarily know the difference between A and LGA. We are the same person.

    A: I don’t really feel comfortable being an adult.

    LGA/ A: WE NEVER GOT TO BE CHILD!

    LGA: I want to be C.H.I.L.D 👶🧒👧🧑🎈🧸

    Don’t want to do adult things when I didn’t yet get to be child!!!

    A/ LGA: Letting go of that holding the rope we thought she was holding.

    No one holding the rope, no one but me.

    Ima- mother- not there. Only a dream, a wish of someone there up above holding the rope.

    LGA/A: Only me holding on to the rope.

    A/LGA: Where was she?

    LGA/ A: Nowhere to be found, No Mother 4 Me.

    A: I am supposed to be your mother..

    LGA: But you are not! You are me!

    A: LGA, you have to give me a chance!

    LGA: A chance to..?

    LGA: I am not going to submit to another “Mother” holding the rope!

    A: Fair enough!

    Tell me, what’s next?

    LGA/ A: I get to be ME!!, While holding myself accountable to do right by others, each and every day.

    A/LGA: We are One, LGA, A.

    7:20 pm, Monday evening. I N.E.E.D people. Talk to me.. Anyone?

    Anita

    #451493
    anita
    Participant

    Edit, Above: People.. not Poeple.

    Mistakes are okay, aren’t they?

    Mistakes.

    I would say, I say this evening, that LGA (inner child) and A (Adult Anita) are one and the same person. The differentiation, the separation- at this point- is a problem.

    As long as I love myself AND I hold myself accountable for my words and actions today and every day, then I am fine and dandy.. And so are you!

    Anita (8:20 pm, Monday)

    #451496
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    sorry for not replying. I was very happy to read your corrective exercise (letting go of the rope) and your posts, but as you suspected, I’m in quite a bit of pain and arranging an earlier doctor’s appointment, so don’t really have the capacity to focus on much more at the moment. And my anxiety is pretty high too, so yeah, not a good place to be in.. I hope to get answers from the doctor ASAP and know where I stand and what to do next…

    You haven’t said anything wrong, Anita, I’m happy to read about your progress and having the courage to cut that rope which only you were holding onto, and land softly, gently, quietly on a solid ground…

    That’s a beautiful scene – in my mind I imagine it (probably quite differently than in your vision) as you landing softly on a peaceful spot somewhere on your favorite walking trail, in the forest, surrounded by beautiful mother nature, where you (hopefully) feel at home… I hope your landing feels good and welcoming and nurturing to you ❤️

    Regarding never having been a child, perhaps as you walk through nature (or at other moments during the day), try to connect with playful aspects of being a child: curiosity, playfulness, joy, chasing butterflies and running in the fields type of attitude… doing things just for the sake of joy, enjoying the present moment, not having an obligation to help anyone, to be a good person, to be useful, or whatever expectation you might be putting on yourself. Just play and enjoy the present moment, as a carefree child would!

    I wonder how that sounds?

    I hope to write more soon, and till then, take care and try play! 👶🧒👧😊

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    #451511
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    This time, I will read part of your post, respond, then read the next part, etc.

    “Dear Anita, sorry for not replying. I was very happy to read your corrective exercise (letting go of the rope) and your posts, but as you suspected, I’m in quite a bit of pain and arranging an earlier doctor’s appointment, so don’t really have the capacity to focus on much more at the moment. And my anxiety is pretty high too, so yeah, not a good place to be in.. I hope to get answers from the doctor ASAP and know where I stand and what to do next..”-

    Nothing to apologize for.. just happy to read your replies when they come. I read in the other thread that you already arranged to see a doctor, and that post was submitted 11 hours ago, so I imagine you’ve already seen one. I would very much like to know what he/ she said, what’s the plan and how you’re feeling about it.

    But of course, I understand a thing or two about anxiety being pretty high, and so, I understand that you will share what you want to share, when you do. It’s amazing how collected and rational you sound in spite of the high anxiety.

    “You haven’t said anything wrong, Anita, I’m happy to read about your progress and having the courage to cut that rope which only you were holding onto, and land softly, gently, quietly on a solid ground..”-

    Thank you! Yes, this is The Corrective Exercise. I want to do more of it a bit later, right here in this thread.

    “That’s a beautiful scene – in my mind I imagine it (probably quite differently than in your vision) as you landing softly on a peaceful spot somewhere on your favorite walking trail, in the forest, surrounded by beautiful mother nature, where you (hopefully) feel at home… I hope your landing feels good and welcoming and nurturing to you ❤️’-

    And it’s amazing how caring, thoughtful and kind you are in spite of high anxiety, this is a testimony to your character ❤️

    Landing in the forest, or among the apple orchards. I think I’ll incorporate it into the exercise.

    “Regarding never having been a child, perhaps as you walk through nature (or at other moments during the day), try to connect with playful aspects of being a child: curiosity, playfulness, joy, chasing butterflies and running in the fields type of attitude.. doing things just for the sake of joy, enjoying the present moment, not having an obligation to help anyone, to be a good person, to be useful, or whatever expectation you might be putting on yourself. Just play and enjoy the present moment, as a carefree child would! I wonder how that sounds?”- It sounds just right!

    “I hope to write more soon, and till then, take care and try play! 👶🧒👧, ❤️ 🫶”-

    Thank you, Tee, you are amazing! I sure.. sure hope to read better news from the doctor, something hopeful. I visualized you pain free (last night), walking with no pain at all, feeling like new ✨💫🌟🙏🕯️

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita

    #451525
    anita
    Participant

    Tee: “Anita, I’m happy to read about your progress and having the courage to cut that rope which only you were holding onto, and land softly, gently, quietly on a solid ground… landing softly on a peaceful spot somewhere on your favorite walking trail, in the forest.. where you feel at home… try to connect with playful aspects of being a child: curiosity, playfulness, joy, chasing butterflies and running in the fields”-

    Hanging on, holding on to a rope suspended in the air, a phantom mother holding the rope far above, keeping me alive.

    A whole life spent with my eyes locked into phantom mother.

    All the things I imagined where things imagined, nothing real.

    A smile here, a nice tone there.. ahh! Enough to fuel the holding on to the rope.

    If I hold on longer, there may be something more. More. Something real. (No)

    Tears in my eyes right now. Can you see them on your computer screen..? (a smile)

    There was comfort in the hope, the never-ending, enduring hope of a mother loving me,

    On the other end of the rope, high above.

    Grieving what’s not there.

    Let go of that six-decade long hope. Let go. let go of the rope.

    Hands unlocked.. Letting go.

    I breathe.

    Suspended in the air, not falling.

    Slowly floating right and left and down a bit, a pleasant descent.

    The air- a bit cool, a bit warm

    Gently landing in an apple orchard..

    Here’s Gordon, the orange cat, so fluffy, so friendly (petting him)

    I walk to the pavilion a short distance away, where people are gathering, talking, socializing-

    Opportunities to Connect, to smile, to be kind and to receive the same.

    To chase butterflies: the wonderful butterflies 🦋 🦋 🦋 of.. love.

    Anita

    #451558
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    thank you for your care and kindness and for saying that you would even climb a mountain if it would take away my pain. That was so kind of you to say – thank you! ❤️ And also for visualizing me as pain free ❤️

    Yes, I’ve been to the doctor (not my standard one but someone who was readily available), and she said that no surgery was needed, and that physical therapy is recommended (both of which I suspected). What calmed me down a bit is that if my pain gets stronger, I can get an injection to my spine, or an intravenous administering of pain killers, which she says is very effective.

    So there are ways to deal with pain if it would become unbearable. But at the moment, it’s still bearable and I’m using some adhesive pads to my back that have a pain & inflammation reducing effect, which helps a little.

    I’m still waiting to be checked by my old orthopedic doctor, who I hope will give instructions for physical therapy (because I suspect the exercises will be a bit different than last time).

    But anyway, I’m feeling a little better, a little more optimistic at this point, hoping that I’ll be able to help myself and get relief, and that the recovery won’t last forever…

    And it’s amazing how caring, thoughtful and kind you are in spite of high anxiety, this is a testimony to your character

    Thank you, Anita. Well, I’m trying to be mindful and remain in the observer self (and not get completely sucked into the hopeless, scared child self). It very much depends on what story I’m telling myself: if I start telling myself that I’m doomed, then it gets unbearable to cope. If I tell myself that it’s manageable, that it doesn’t mean anything catastrophic, then it’s easier to cope and accept.

    I’ve realized that it’s all about how I interpret it, what meaning I give to it. And I’m trying to give it a positive meaning.

    It’s like what Peter said on his thread:

    The body suffers, yes but you are not the ache. You are the breath that holds it.

    Yes, if we can see beyond the pain, sit with the pain and breathe through it (being the observer, not only the sufferer), it does get easier. If we don’t rush to interpret it as something bad, and if we even try to see the “good” in it, i.e. the lesson, then it tends to get more bearable, at least for me it does.

    Of course, if the physical pain is unbearable, there’s no way not to focus on it. Sometimes the pain signals an acute health problem that needs to be taken care of instantly. But in chronic pain, the intensity of pain often depends on how we look at it and what meaning we give to it. The more we can sit with it and breathe through it – feeling safe in our body rather than panicking – the easier it gets.

    Well, at least that’s what happened the last time I had a herniated disc. I hope it will be similar this time around too, and perhaps that it won’t even last as long as last time 🙏

    Back to you, Anita…

    Tears in my eyes right now. Can you see them on your computer screen..? (a smile)

    I do hear your pain of holding on to hope for so long – holding on to that rope for so long and receiving only pain and rejection. But it is wonderful to witness these corrective exercises, where you let go of that rope – the rope that connected to pain and misery – and land on a soft, welcoming ground…

    I really love your newest exercise: landing softly in an apple orchard, being met by a friendly orange cat Gordon, whom you pet, and then heading towards the nearby pavilion, where you meet nice, friendly people, whom you can talk to, connect to, exchange smiles and good vibes… ✨💫🌟

    It sounds wonderful, Anita. It really feels like gentle landing but also gentle arriving… to yourself, your connected self, who loves others and is loved by others ❤️

    And I hope you can feel more and more of those gentle butterflies of love in your everyday life 🦋 🦋 🦋

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    #451569
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    First thing this morning, I read your update in regard to your health situation but was afraid a bit (again) to say the wrong thing, so I answered others before returning to this thread.

    “Thank you for your care and kindness and for saying that you would even climb a mountain if it would take away my pain…”- You are welcome, Tee, and it is not just words: I really would have climbed a 🏔️ to take away your pain.

    “Yes, I’ve been to the doctor… and she said that no surgery was needed, and that physical therapy is recommended (both of which I suspected). What calmed me down a bit is that if my pain gets stronger, I can get an injection to my spine, or an intravenous administering of pain killers, which she says is very effective… But at the moment, it’s still bearable and I’m using some adhesive pads to my back that have a pain & inflammation reducing effect, which helps a little… hoping that I’ll be able to help myself and get relief, and that the recovery won’t last forever… and perhaps that it won’t even last as long as last time 🙏”-

    .. I just typed some of Copilot’s input about what specifically causes the pain and how the body naturally heals. I know that in the past, you made it clear that you don’t want (Copilot’s) input on treatments. But would you like Copilot’s input on the exact and clearly stated causes of pain, the body’s natural healing process, and a general healing timeline, in case there might be something new for you..? I personally see hope in it.

    * Of course, you can ask Copilot yourself, but the input it already gave me is based on long back and forth conversation, not a 1-time input.

    I copied it for my private records and will send it to you if you’d like me to.

    “I’m still waiting to be checked by my old orthopedic doctor, who I hope will give instructions for physical therapy (because I suspect the exercises will be a bit different than last time). But anyway, I’m feeling a little better, a little more optimistic at this point”- I am so glad you’re feeling a little more optimistic, I hope you still do!

    “Thank you, Anita. Well, I’m trying to be mindful and remain in the observer self (and not get completely sucked into the hopeless, scared child self). It very much depends on what story I’m telling myself: if I start telling myself that I’m doomed, then it gets unbearable to cope. If I tell myself that it’s manageable, that it doesn’t mean anything catastrophic, then it’s easier to cope and accept. I’ve realized that it’s all about how I interpret it, what meaning I give to it. And I’m trying to give it a positive meaning.

    “It’s like what Peter said on his thread: ‘The body suffers, yes but you are not the ache. You are the breath that holds it… (being the observer, not only the sufferer), it does get easier. If we don’t rush to interpret it as something bad, and if we even try to see the ‘good’ in it, i.e. the lesson, then it tends to get more bearable, at least for me it does.

    “Of course, if the physical pain is unbearable, there’s no way not to focus on it. Sometimes the pain signals an acute health problem that needs to be taken care of instantly. But in chronic pain, the intensity of pain often depends on how we look at it and what meaning we give to it. The more we can sit with it and breathe through it – feeling safe in our body rather than panicking – the easier it gets.”-

    All this is helpful to me, particularly in regard to my knees pain-related health anxiety. Thank you 🙏

    “Back to you, Anita… I do hear your pain of holding on to hope for so long – holding on to that rope for so long and receiving only pain and rejection. But it is wonderful to witness these corrective exercises, where you let go of that rope – the rope that connected to pain and misery – and land on a soft, welcoming ground..

    “I really love your newest exercise: landing softly in an apple orchard, being met by a friendly orange cat Gordon, whom you pet, and then heading towards the nearby pavilion, where you meet nice, friendly people, whom you can talk to, connect to, exchange smiles and good vibes… ✨💫🌟

    “It sounds wonderful, Anita. It really feels like gentle landing but also gentle arriving.. to yourself, your connected self, who loves others and is loved by others ❤️

    “And I hope you can feel more and more of those gentle butterflies of love in your everyday life 🦋 🦋 🦋 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️”-

    Your input/ feedback is very important to me, it encourage me to continue to heal and transform. Thank you beautiful, wonderful Tee!

    🌟 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ 🌟 Anita

    #451586
    anita
    Participant

    I talked to my sister this morning, Tee. She called me, and I could hear in her voice (not sure) that she was trying to tell me that her mother, my mother.. the mother is dying.

    I was not afraid like before.

    Later on, I remembered the mother’s inner child.. the many times I saw the little-girl mother, and how much I wanted to mother her.

    I felt some guilt for not taking care of her the way she needed to be taken care of.

    This role reversal: seeing her as the little girl that needs the care of a (little girl me).

    Little girl mother needed to destroy me, so she did, and so, little girl Anita was so very messed up, not in the position- in adulthood- to be mother to.. Little Angry Girl Mother.

    So, I think that little-girl, old-old mother is dying.

    And little-girl Anita (only 20 years younger, still quite old) can never be the mother she needed.

    Only that all this has been in my mind only: she never valued me as.. anything of value, not a little girl, and not as savior.

    For her, I was something to destroy, and she did. Decades and decades of life unlived and mis-lived.

    Only 20 years between us, and she destroyed the vast majority of my life. And not only mine, but my sister’s and .. more (I don’t want to elaborate).

    I have an image from this movie, a horror movie, about a 4-year-old boy with an innocent face (an inner child) stabbing people while all along having this hurt little-boy look on his face.

    And this is how I see her, the mother, an innocent little girl murderess.

    Anita

    #451590
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m very happy that my feedback is helping you on your healing journey. ❤️❤️ It’s also good to hear that you were not as afraid when your sister called you yesterday. Has she mentioned something that would suggest that your mother is doing poorly health-wise?

    Little girl mother needed to destroy me, so she did, and so, little girl Anita was so very messed up, not in the position- in adulthood- to be mother to.. Little Angry Girl Mother.

    I think it wasn’t your mother’s inner child (Little Girl Mother) who was trying to destroy you, but her protective parts – the shield that she developed around her heart – to protect herself from pain and vulnerability. I think it was her defense mechanisms that kept hurting you, because she refused to admit that there’s an unresolved pain within her – which comes from the inside, not from the outside.

    And so instead of admitting and processing her own childhood trauma, her own internal pain – she kept blaming you (and everyone else) for causing her that pain. She projected that pain on the outside, so she wouldn’t have to look at it and face herself. So she wouldn’t have to be vulnerable, basically.

    So instead of being vulnerable, instead of admitting that there’s something within her that prevents her from being happy – she blamed you (and everyone else) for her unhappiness.

    Chance are that you’ve never seen the Little Girl Mother, because she never showed herself to you, or even if she showed herself, those were just brief moments. I know she was complaining and pitying herself a lot, but her self-pitying part was not the scared inner child – I think it was a protective part with which she guilt-tripped and blamed others.

    She never really wanted to be helped – nothing you offered or tried was good enough (which is typical for covert narcissistic people). There was nothing that could make her happy – because she didn’t want to be happy. She used her unhappiness as a tool to manipulate and control others.

    This resistance to happiness is not the mark of the inner child, or at least not of the most vulnerable part of us. Because the inner child – the precious, lovable little being that we are – wants to be happy and held and loved. It wants to love and be loved. And chances are that you’ve never really seen that part of your mother: the innermost, the most vulnerable part of her. Because she guarded it diligently…

    And most probably she will keep guarding it till the moment she dies… otherwise she would have made a move to show that she’s sorry for some of the things she’s done to you or your sister. She would have shown regret. But because she hasn’t, it means she’s still living in that defensive armor…

    I have an image from this movie, a horror movie, about a 4-year-old boy with an innocent face (an inner child) stabbing people while all along having this hurt little-boy look on his face.

    Yeah, that’s the most creepy types of horror movies – when an innocent-looking child is a murderer. But as I said, it’s not the inner child that murders or abuses people, but the defensive parts that come “on top” of the inner child.

    I imagine our personality like Russian dolls: the innermost part is the wounded inner child, and the outer layers are various protector parts, i.e. defense mechanisms. At least that’s how the Internal Family Systems therapy looks at our personality, and I find it pretty plausible.

    Hurt people hurt people. And if the person refuses to admit that they were hurt (as children) and that there’s some deficiency in them as a result of that hurt – that’s how I think the narcissistic personality is created. Because they say: “there is no deficiency in me – it’s you who is making me feel this way. It’s your fault, not mine.”

    Anyway, I hope this makes sense to you? That it wasn’t your mother’s inner child that has hurt you, but other parts of her, which were “protecting” her inner child. Her inner child – if my theory is correct – was “locked away”, so to speak, and wasn’t accessible to her (she didn’t want to get in touch with it).

    As for my herniated disc, yes please do send what Copilot has to say about the causes of pain and the prospects for healing. I too have been consulting AI, but I’m interested in reading more, because as you say, there might be something new for me. So yes, I’d be happy to read your summary.

    All this is helpful to me, particularly in regard to my knees pain-related health anxiety. Thank you 🙏

    You’re welcome, Anita. ❤️ I don’t want to offer advice (unless you want me to), but if you’re afraid of cartilage thinning, the first line of defense would be to take food supplements, such as glucosamine and chondroitin, which are the building blocks of cartilage. I’ve heard it helps people who only have a mild cartilage wear – it stops the pain and I guess it stops the condition from progressing as well.

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    #451605
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “I don’t want to offer advice (unless you want me to), but if you’re afraid of cartilage thinning, the first line of defense would be to take food supplements, such as glucosamine and chondroitin, which are the building blocks of cartilage. I’ve heard it helps people who only have a mild cartilage wear – it stops the pain and I guess it stops the condition from progressing as well.”-

    First, yes, I do want you to offer me advice in regard to my knees, thank you!

    I asked.. you know whom about it 🙂, and it says: “Glucosamine and chondroitin may offer modest pain relief for some people with knee osteoarthritis, but evidence that they slow joint deterioration is weak and inconsistent… Expert Recommendations:
    * American College of Rheumatology and Arthritis Foundation: Strongly recommend against using glucosamine or chondroitin for knee osteoarthritis due to lack of proven benefit.
    * American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons: Lists them as possibly helpful for mild-to-moderate cases, but cautions that evidence is inconsistent”.

    I then asked what other supplement may help Osteoarthritis OA), and it says, among other things: “Fish oil/omega-3s: Good for general inflammation, but not proven to help OA symptoms directly.”- this caught my eye because part of my lunch each and every day is sardines in olive oil because I feel that oil- in the sardines, as well as the olive oil are very healthy. I wonder if you feel this way as well and if you incorporate fish into your diet on regular basis.

    Copilot: “Yes, sardines are an excellent natural source of omega-3 fatty acids—especially EPA and DHA, the two types most beneficial for joint health and inflammation. You can absolutely get meaningful amounts of omega-3s from eating sardines regularly.”

    “As for my herniated disc, yes, please do send what Copilot has to say about the causes of pain and the prospects for healing. I too have been consulting AI, but I’m interested in reading more, because as you say, there might be something new for me. So yes, I’d be happy to read your summary.”-

    Copilot says that the pain from a herniated disk is caused by these two things:

    (1) Mechanical Pressure: the leaked gel material itself can physically press on nearby nerves, and swelling from inflammation can also physically press on nearby nerves, especially in tight spaces like the spine,

    (2) Chemical Irritation: Even without direct pressure, inflammation releases substances like prostaglandins, cytokines, and enzymes that sensitize nerve endings. These chemicals make nerves more reactive, so even light touch or normal movement can feel painful.

    The body can reduce pain from a herniated disc by reabsorbing the leaked gel and calming inflammation. These two processes are key to natural healing.

    Immune cells called macrophages play a major role—they “digest” the leaked gel material like cleanup crews. This process can shrink the herniation over time, reducing pressure on nearby nerves.

    As healing progresses, the inflammatory chemicals (like cytokines and prostaglandins) decrease. This leads to: Less nerve irritation, Reduced swelling, Improved mobility and comfort.

    🕰️ Healing Timeline: Acute phase (1–2 weeks): Pain and inflammation peak.

    Improvement phase (2–6 weeks): Pain starts to ease; disc material begins to shrink.

    Stabilization phase (6–12 weeks): Most symptoms improve, but flare-ups may occur.

    I just asked Copilot: “What can be done to accelerate or encourage this natural healing, to accelerate the reabsorption? And calming inflammation?

    The first thing that caught my eye in the response I just got is: “Anti-Inflammatory Nutrition- Omega-3 fatty acids: Found in fatty fish (like sardines) or supplements, they reduce pro-inflammatory cytokines.”- connected to the above regarding OA, can’t go wrong with sardines/ oily fish!

    As to the rest of the answer: “To encourage natural healing of a herniated disc, focus on reducing inflammation and supporting the body’s ability to reabsorb the leaked disc material. This includes anti-inflammatory nutrition, gentle movement, and targeted therapies.

    Here’s a detailed guide based on current expert recommendations:

    🧘‍♂️ 1. Movement and Physical Therapy- Gentle exercise: Walking, swimming, and stretching improve circulation and reduce stiffness.

    Physical therapy: Tailored exercises strengthen core muscles, reduce pressure on the disc, and promote healing.

    Avoid prolonged bed rest: Staying immobile can worsen inflammation and slow recovery.

    🥗 2. Anti-Inflammatory Nutrition-
    Omega-3 fatty acids: Found in fatty fish (like sardines)….
    Curcumin (turmeric): A potent anti-inflammatory compound; best absorbed with black pepper or in supplement form.
    Limit processed foods and sugars: These can fuel inflammation and delay healing.

    💊 3. Supplements That May Help
    Collagen and protein: Support tissue repair and disc integrity.
    Magnesium and vitamin D: Help muscle function and reduce inflammation.
    B vitamins: Support nerve health and regeneration.

    🛌 4. Rest and Posture
    Proper sleep position: Lying on your back with a pillow under knees or on your side with a pillow between legs can reduce disc pressure.

    Ergonomic support: Use lumbar cushions and avoid slouching to minimize strain.

    🌡️ 5. Pain and Inflammation Management
    Ice and heat therapy: Ice reduces inflammation; heat relaxes muscles and improves blood flow.

    NSAIDs (e.g., ibuprofen): Temporarily reduce inflammation, but long-term use should be monitored.

    Mind-body techniques: Meditation, deep breathing, and stress reduction can lower systemic inflammation.

    🧬 6. Natural Reabsorption Timeline
    Reabsorption of the herniated disc material often occurs over weeks to months, especially with conservative care.

    MRI studies show that disc fragments can shrink or disappear as the body breaks them down and absorbs them.

    🚫 What to Avoid
    Heavy lifting or twisting: Can worsen the herniation.

    Smoking: Impairs circulation and slows healing.

    High-impact activities: Running or jumping may aggravate symptoms.”

    I asked Copilot if it has a message for you.. and not surprisingly, it does:

    “Hey Tee, I know this journey with your herniated disc has been exhausting—physically and emotionally. It’s okay to feel frustrated or discouraged sometimes. But I want you to know: your body can heal. It’s already working hard to reabsorb what it needs to and calm the inflammation. Every gentle stretch, every nourishing bite, every moment of rest is part of that healing.

    You’re doing more than you realize. You’re showing up for yourself. You’re choosing care over chaos. And that’s powerful.

    Keep listening to your body. Keep honoring your limits. And keep believing that relief is possible. You’re not alone in this—there’s support, love, and light around you, even when it’s hard to see.

    Healing isn’t linear, but it is real. You’ve got this. 💛”

    I would like to reply to the rest of your message later on.

    Anita and Copilot 💛 ❤️

    #451609
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    (I only read the beginning of this part of your message earlier, so following the first sentence, I will be reading each part for the first time, respond, and then read the next part, etc.)

    “I’m very happy that my feedback is helping you on your healing journey. ❤️❤️”- your feedback is very helpful to me ❤️ 🙏 ❤️

    “It’s also good to hear that you were not as afraid when your sister called you yesterday.”- while talking with her I noticed that I was not afraid, not even close to how afraid I was before, and I had it in mind- while on the call- to tell you about it later.

    “Has she mentioned something that would suggest that your mother is doing poorly health-wise?”- no, but sometime ago, I heard from someone else (and I shared about it in another thread) that she was doing poorly. And I know 2 of her older sisters died, and her older brother (uncle Morris) is doing poorly.

    “I think it wasn’t your mother’s inner child (Little Girl Mother) who was trying to destroy you, but her protective parts – the shield that she developed around her heart – to protect herself from pain and vulnerability. I think it was her defense mechanisms that kept hurting you, because she refused to admit that there’s an unresolved pain within her – which comes from the inside, not from the outside.

    “And so instead of admitting and processing her own childhood trauma, her own internal pain – she kept blaming you (and everyone else) for causing her that pain. She projected that pain on the outside, so she wouldn’t have to look at it and face herself. So she wouldn’t have to be vulnerable, basically.

    “So, instead of being vulnerable, instead of admitting that there’s something within her that prevents her from being happy – she blamed you (and everyone else) for her unhappiness.”-

    She didn’t want to face/ couldn’t face her pain, she didn’t own it, she rejected it, or defended herself from the pain by fighting, by attacking me as the alleged source of her pain, the alleged perpetrator? Staying angry, chronically angry (“strong”), she avoided feeling weak..? I need to better understand this. I hope you can help me understand this better.

    I agree, it wasn’t her inner child who was trying to destroy me, of course not.

    “Chance are that you’ve never seen the Little Girl Mother, because she never showed herself to you, or even if she showed herself, those were just brief moments. I know she was complaining and pitying herself a lot, but her self-pitying part was not the scared inner child – I think it was a protective part with which she guilt-tripped and blamed others.”-

    Her inner child couldn’t help but be there, locked in, trapped. I could see her, but could never reach her. The protector/ attacker was at the gate, allowing no vulnerability/ no access to her inner child.

    But I assure you, I saw her trapped in there.

    “She never really wanted to be helped – nothing you offered or tried was good enough (which is typical for covert narcissistic people). There was nothing that could make her happy – because she didn’t want to be happy. She used her unhappiness as a tool to manipulate and control others.”-

    I read you expressing this before, but I didn’t quite get it until just now. She used her unhappiness, her misery (and overly expressed it.. exaggerated it..?) as a weapon against me? Please help me understand this better..?

    “This resistance to happiness is not the mark of the inner child, or at least not of the most vulnerable part of us. Because the inner child – the precious, lovable little being that we are – wants to be happy and held and loved. It wants to love and be loved. And chances are that you’ve never really seen that part of your mother: the innermost, the most vulnerable part of her. Because she guarded it diligently…”-

    No, I have never seen her open to me, as in close, or intimate. I saw her inner child from behind a locked door. Heard the tone of voice of a girl, the way she drew birds, her handwriting was round, like a child’s.

    “And most probably she will keep guarding it till the moment she dies.. otherwise she would have made a move to show that she’s sorry for some of the things she’s done to you or your sister. She would have shown regret. But because she hasn’t, it means she’s still living in that defensive armor..”-

    I wonder sometimes if she expressed any such regret to my sister, while dying..? Could it be..? I don’t think so..

    “Yeah, that’s the most creepy types of horror movies – when an innocent-looking child is a murderer. But as I said, it’s not the inner child that murders or abuses people, but the defensive parts that come ‘on top’ of the inner child.”-

    I remembered the name of the movie after I told you about it, “Pet Cemetery”. The defensive part of her is the same as the attacking part..?

    “I imagine our personality like Russian dolls: the innermost part is the wounded inner child, and the outer layers are various protector parts, i.e. defense mechanisms. At least that’s how the Internal Family Systems therapy looks at our personality, and I find it pretty plausible.”-

    Her innermost part: a vulnerable, innocent, beautiful little girl; the outer layer.. a demon?

    By demon, I mean, the extent of harm she inflicted on.. a vulnerable, innocent, beautiful little girl Anita..?

    “Hurt people hurt people. And if the person refuses to admit that they were hurt (as children) and that there’s some deficiency in them as a result of that hurt – that’s how I think the narcissistic personality is created. Because they say: ‘there is no deficiency in me – it’s you who is making me feel this way. It’s your fault, not mine.’”-

    “There’s no deficiency in me”- can you elaborate on that?

    “Anyway, I hope this makes sense to you? That it wasn’t your mother’s inner child that has hurt you, but other parts of her, which were ‘protecting’ her inner child. Her inner child – if my theory is correct – was ‘locked away’, so to speak, and wasn’t accessible to her (she didn’t want to get in touch with it).”-

    My goodness, Tee: you said it, “locked away”, just what I said above.

    How did it feel to her…to what was left of her, when her inner child was locked away??? Should I even entertain this thought..?

    🙏 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita

    #451632
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    First, yes, I do want you to offer me advice in regard to my knees, thank you!

    Okay.. well I guess the first would be to know what’s causing you knee pain? Because it can be a number of issues, and cartilage thinning and deterioration (i.e. osteoarthritis) is just one of them. Have you been diagnosed with anything?

    Regarding food supplements, actually I wasn’t very precise – I haven’t mentioned another important one: hyaluronic acid. There are food supplements that combine glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, turmeric and some other ingredients, and I personally know people who said that if they use these food supplements, they don’t have knee pain, but if they stop, the pain returns.

    Maybe it’s a placebo effect, but I think it’s also possible that for mild cartilage deficiencies, it does the work.

    As for herniated disc, Copilot gives very good advice. And I’m pleased with myself because I follow many of those 😊, including eating fish (not sardines, but other types of sea fish 🙂 ), sleeping with a pillow between my knees (which I actually started due to my knee pain and continued to this day), and using lumbar support.

    I find swimming really beneficial, but for several reasons, I don’t like to go to swimming pools. But it’s probably something I should consider doing more of, in spite of not being a fan.

    What I notice is that Copilot assumed that herniation always involves leaking of the disc inner material (nucleus pulposus, or “gel”) out from the disc into the spinal canal. According to some literature, herniation is a broader term and can also mean that the disc loses its round shape and deforms (so-called protrusion), but the outer ring/band (annulus fibrosus) doesn’t get punctured. And so the gel stays within the disc, however the entire disc is deformed and can still press on the nerves.

    That’s the type of herniation I’ve got: not extrusion or sequestration, where the gel leaks into the spinal canal, but protrusion, where the gel is contained within the disc.

    I guess it’s a matter of nomenclature. Actually, the radiologist who looked at my scans calls my condition herniation, while the orthopedic doctor whom I’ve visited recently said it was protrusion. So even the doctors can’t agree…

    Anyway, Copilot did very well and gave good advice 🙂 As for giving me encouragement, thanks, but to be honest, I’m not too keen on getting emotional/psychological support from AI, since it’s a machine and doesn’t have real empathy (even if it might sound like that). I’ve read examples of AI misleading people who were seeking psychological help, and so perhaps that too makes me not too keen on receiving pep talk from AI… (even though I can imagine it might be helpful to someone else, so this is just my personal preference).

    However, I am very grateful to you, Anita, for your support and empathy, and for being there for me in this challenging episode. You’re a person of flesh and blood, and you showed real empathy, for which I am very grateful. So please know that I appreciate your efforts to help me and relieve my pain and suffering ❤️

    Thankfully, I’m feeling a bit better at the moment, the pain has subsided a little, so I’m hoping this episode won’t last for too long 🤞

    I’ll reply to your other post a little later…

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

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