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  • #67069
    Yanmei
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    Hi,

    I’m new to this forum, but I came across the site while looking for write-ups about accepting what you can’t change. I am at a cross road in my life, where I have been consistently having arguments with my boyfriend, and it always goes back to the same few issues. Him telling me he has accepted me for who I am, the good and the bad, without expecting me to change, but why do I need him to change before I can accept him for who he is?

    I am stuck because for me to accept him for who he is, there are certain things that go against my belief system, things I have been brought up with, my culture and everything, and I feel that for me to accept and let go means I have to change who I am essentially, which is in effect changing myself.

    I am trying to find the understanding between acceptance vs changing my belief system so that it becomes easier for me to accept. Does that make senss? Does anyone have any input to help me bridge the gap? Thanks.

    #67084
    Inky
    Participant

    You have to do what’s right for you. And remember that with time your own belief systems can change! Or, his beliefs can change simply by being around you! If there’s no stealing, lying, hurting oneself or others, or seeing other people then the rest is commentary and that you can live with! And, grow with.

    #67096
    Vhanon
    Participant

    “I am trying to find the understanding between acceptance vs changing my belief system so that it becomes easier for me to accept. Does that make senss? Does anyone have any input to help me bridge the gap? Thanks. ”

    You should ask yourself the question why you hold such beliefs. You have a first answer as you say that’s because those are things you grew up with, its your tradition and culture. However, try to go one level further with your inquiry. Why does your culture hold such beliefs? Because they believe they are right somehow, they make your community function as a society, and people who abide to these common rules, collaborate together more easily.
    With a belief system, people knows what to expect in a given situation and knows when they are treated right or wrong. That’s an immediate emotion, you do not rationalize, but you feel inside you. So you may hold some expectations of your boyfriend, he never felt compelled to follow and you get disappointed automatically. You may try to grasp those emotion and sort them out.
    Now, you’ve got a tiny society with your boyfriend, where the rules can be created anew. You may learn what to expect from each other in a given situation, you may define what is right and what is wrong between you two. This takes time and may work if there is enough goodwill from both sides. You are not changing your belief system, you are expanding upon it, you are making it wider and able to accept the other differences. You are shifting from believing that your culture is right to believing that your culture is right for its people, but not for your couple.

    Though, I must say, that if you boyfriend said he is accepting you they way you are, he is also expecting your are doing the same. You may try to challenge the position if the rule “everybody does whatever pleases them” does not really fit with you. For every expectation you hold and he does not comply to, ask yourself why is that expectation useful to your society and your culture, what deep need does that rule try to satisfy. Discuss that very reason with your boyfriend, so that you may find some compromise that still satisfy that need. This quite theoretic and I cannot give a better advice, unless I know what your actual expectations are and how he behaves.

    One more thing, during these discussion, you may find something you do not agree about at all. Something that nobody of you wants to explore further or wants to discuss. At that point you should ask yourself whether that’s a minor problem (easily compensated by other good things) or a major one. It its a minor one, in order to minimize your discomfort, try visualize the good things he does when he acts they way you do not like, think that those good things compensate his “bad” behavior somehow. It its a major one, you should seriously consider a break-up or exploring further your reason. Tough with time he may as well open up.

    Anyway, everything I stated requires effort, and I cannot estimate how much since you gave me no complete details. So you have also to choose between committing to this work for some months and see how things go or considering a break-up and find someone who already fits your view.

    #67139
    Jo
    Participant

    Acceptance vs changing your belief system, that is a hard one. I am in a relationship with a man from another culture and religion so I completely understand what your going through.
    Do you mind if I ask some more detailed questions, so I can get a clearer understanding. You say you feel by accepting him you feel you will be changing your own beliefs? May I ask how accepting his beliefs will change yours? And Do you mind if I ask what are your specific beliefs vs his? Does it regard religion, how a man should act in your culture (eg he works and you stay at home, what you expect of him as a future husband ect) ect ect, as in could you give me real examples about what you argue about.

    I don’t know if this helps but I thought I will write a bit about what we have compromised on, so that maybe it will help you.

    My fiancé is muslim from an Arab country and I have been brought up in Christian/ atheist family in a western country.
    He has accepted I will not convert to Islam (honestly I don’t know what will happen but I’ve said no, so we can come up with solutions to when we have kids) or wear the burka but will wear the hijab when I visit his home country (out of respect to his family and culture) but will not wear either when I am in a western country.

    He is still free to practice Islam and I am free to find myself, regarding religion. (I will have pressure from his family but in the Quaran he is allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian women who believes in god, which I do)
    We have established our children will be muslim (A must for him) and that is fine with me. Culturally he is allowed more than one wife, we have established I morally will not accept that so we will have a written contract that states he can not marry more than one wife (it is his culture but he does not want more than one anyway).

    Even in relationships that are not from different cultures, it is normal to want your partner to change a particular habit but the beauty of relationships is that you get the opportunity to understand yourself more and find out what is really important to you in life as well as what you can and what your not willing to compromise on.

    I hope that helped some bit or at least made you feel not so alone, that there are others dealing with these issue’s to. Because it can be hard when you feel like your the only one in a cross cultural relationship. 🙂

    #67141
    Yanmei
    Participant

    To Jo and Vhanon,

    Thanks, what both of you said really makes a lot of sense to me, especially Vhanon. I guess in my context, what I am going through doesn’t seem like such a big thing in comparison to what Jo is going through, and it’s great that you and your fiancé have come to a situation where you both compromise and agree on things. In retrospect, my problem seems to stem from something so much smaller and inconsequential, but in my mind obviously it bothers me enough.

    Basically I’m an only child, I’ve been raised as an only child and I’ve never had any siblings, only close female friends growing up. My bf and his sister are very very close, close to the point where I feel very uncomfortable because I feel that he goes to her first before anyone else. Anything that she “asks”, he will give to her, and she has said that he is the only one who can talk to her and make her smile, regardless of the fact that she is already married, she still always runs to him. My bf’s father also strongly wants their relationship to continue, even if he passes away, and I have no intention of ever breaking up a family, or asking him to choose between his family or me, but sometimes the struggles get too real.

    He tells me that I need to trust him on where to draw the line, and it’s not that I don’t, but I know his sister doesn’t draw the line, and so he just gives in to her. He is asking me to accept this relationship of theirs, because he has accepted me for who I am. Maybe because I am an only child, and I have other underlying issues, I know for a fact that I have always fought to be part of the “popular” group, and I hate being left out of things. I always have this fear that people are talking/gossiping about me, therefore I have always sought to be included.

    They have a relationship that nobody can break into, and my belief is that my bf/husband should be my best friend, and vice versa, I just feel that he’s sharing a lot more with her than with me, and that’s something that I can never break into. For me to accept that they have such a close relationship, and for me to just “let it go”, it means that I have to change my beliefs to accommodate his definition of a brother/sister relationship.

    I hope that information helps in your assessment of the situation, I know different cultures bring up their children different, and I guess it’s a good thing siblings are close, but when another half is in the picture, it complicates things. It’s a case of what he thinks is right and acceptable, vs what I think is right and acceptable.

    #67293
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Yanmei,

    I apologize for my late reply, but I could not read your post earlier.

    Both you and your boyfriend have a need to belong, to feel cared and loved, to express care and love, to nurture a friendship, to create a family, to have someone close in the night. Your boyfriend had and have part of these needs already met thanks to the presence of his sister, they have a great bound of friendship they learned to trust through ages. That’s an automatic response from their heart to look for the other in a moment of need and an automatic response to comply.
    On the converse you never had such needs ever met and expected that one day that you would find a person you would completely trust, a person that loved you above all else and that you could love as much without fear to be left out or be spoken at the back.

    I’m sure your boyfriend considers you a very great friend, but his best friend is his sister now. You cannot possibly beat everything they have been through together, the bound of blood they share, the care they showed one for the other. Imagine for a second that during those times you had to fight hard alone to be part of the popular group you actually had someone that supported you, wouldn’t you feel tempted to go back to him for advices and consider your boyfriend later? In the present, your boyfriend and his sister will remain best friends even if they not talk to each other, they will still have that feeling.
    In the future, as you and you boyfriend walk the path of life side by side, your bound will become stronger. It may match or even pass the bound he has with his sister, but my advice is to not rely on it or make it the quest of your life. If you leave it to fate, it may never happen. If you try to break the bound, it will be like trying to break him.

    There are three things you may do.

    Your first way is to expand the concept of your boyfriend. A boyfriend is not only a single person but also the set of all the relationships he carries with him. Bend your boyfriend’s boundary of existence so that they include his sister as well. In other terms, he won’t be him if he did not have a sister, he won’t be him if he didn’t care for her. Consider his sister like a second mind of his you have to relate to. Consider them to be emotionally one. When you ask him for something, think that you are asking THEM for something. When you offer him something, think that you are offering THEM something. Even if he is the one actually acting or receiving, it’s because they somehow agreed to that. Talk with them both, define expectations with them both. In further other terms, you should love both of them and felt loved by them both. You are not his best friend, you are their best friend. You are one big large family.

    Your second way is to expand the concept of happiness and relationship. Take example from him: you do not have to put everything onto one person to be happy, your needs of love and care do not need to be met by only one person. Talk with your boyfriend and define what you expect one from the other, give him time to think and to even agree with his sister if that is important to him. For example, try to define how much time a week he is going to dedicate to you without thinking to his sister, how much time you are going to spend together, what you are going to do together. Once you set your rules, find something good and relaxing to do in your spare time. Consider looking for a person you can call best friend indeed.

    If the two above solutions make your stomach turn. You should start thinking that he is not the boyfriend you were looking for after all. Part of him exists in the interdependence with someone else. Even thinking to break it, it is like thinking to break him. You are looking for someone who does not have already a deep connection with anybody else. So, why do you hope to find it in a person that has a best friend who’s going to stay for a very long time? It’s because you have him and maybe he is your best friend (even if you do not feel you are his best friend). Is this enough for you? Please, be sure to consider that most people may already have some degree of connection with someone else, be it a sibling, a parent, a teacher, a friend or a priest. So, take into account that finding someone who has absolutely no connection with anybody is going to be very difficult (and you may not even like him). Try to define a reasonable level of existing connection you are going to accept. How much should depend on your age (the longer we live, the more bounds we make). Who knows, you may find out that your boyfriend’s bounds are reasonable. Unfortunately I cannot give you any accurate statistics on the matter, but maybe you can look by yourself, if you decide to look for some new friends.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by Vhanon.
    #67295
    Yanmei
    Participant

    Hi Vhanon,

    Thanks so much for taking time to reply, I’ve read what you said, and the first part does make a lot of sense. His sister does have 20 years of friendship ahead of me, 20 years of memories and bonds that I can’t break into. I also think it’s very amazing that you are able to read my needs from my post, it’s true that as an only child I’ve never really had that one person I could relate to.

    Having said all that, I can’t go with option 1, because I have tried. I am a person who typically seeks the friendship and approval of the other party before they do so with me, and my love language is a gift giver, so I have always given gifts and tried to reach out to people when I meet them. If they also open their hearts and reciprocate, thats how a friendship is formed, if they don’t, I try again, and if after the 2nd time, they still brush me away and push me aside, then that is where I draw the line because I don’t see a need to beg for the other person’s attention or approval. When I first met my boyfriend and his sister, I tried to talk to her, I tried to form a friendship with her, because I know how important she is in his life. However from her actions, she brushed me away. Maybe it’s because her brother has never ever had a girlfriend, and I’m the first girlfriend, and I’m taking away all his time and attention he used to spend on her. Fast forward 5 years…yes thats how long my boyfriend and I have been together, the relationship between me and his sister has not improved, it has only worsened.

    I, for one never call her names or anything in front of my boyfriend, I just pretend that she doesn’t exist and vice versa, but recently I found out that she calls me names to his face, and she has been trying to introduce other girls to him as well. I think that this just reflects very badly on her upbringing and it’s downright rude, but I have read several articles from tinybuddha about letting go, and being the bigger person, so I decide not to pursue it, but I know for sure that a friendship between us will never ever happen. It doesn’t help matters as well, that she is the princess of the family, her dad absolutely dotes on her, and she can do no wrong. Sometimes, even though my boyfriend is unwilling, his father bends his hand to make sure that he’s there for his sister, he’s doing things for her, he’s talking to her(because she claims he’s the ONLY one she can talk to, and she’s recently married btw), so I guess sometimes things are not within the control of my boyfriend either.

    For the second thing, I do agree that I place a lot of responsibility on my boyfriend, depending on him for my happiness, etc, but I do have a best friend, I have a best friend for over 20 years that I confide in. She is the sort of best friend that we can don’t communicate for weeks and when we talk, we can just pick up where we left off, as though we haven’t lost a day. In fact, other than her, I have several other close friends that I confide in as well, so I am not particularly someone who shuts off from the world and makes my world revolve around my boyfriend.

    All this brings me down to why I started this topic in the first place, to try to find a bridge between acceptance, where I am not essentially changing who I am, to accept his beliefs, or what is acceptable in his perception. The thing is I feel maybe because I’ve never ever had that connection with a sibling, I don’t understand it? I have asked around, I have asked many friends with siblings, but somehow or other, male or female, they all know where to draw the line and back off when either of their siblings have a partner, which I do not see in the case of my boyfriend. I don’t know if it’s because he’s unwilling to draw the line, considering the 20 years of history, or as what he says “he doesn’t feel that he has crossed any lines in his beliefs, therefore he doesn’t think that he’s doing/done anything wrong”. I am therefore “asked” to accept him for who he is, which I find very tough because what is acceptable to him isn’t to me, and for me to accept that, I have to change what I have always deemed unacceptable.

    #67315
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Yanmei,

    Five years of relationship are really a long time and his sister was there already. You have already accepted her in the past. Maybe you implicitly assumed that the marriage would pull them a bit away. That was your core belief: when a person forms a new family, it seems natural to make the old one come in second place. Did you discuss this belief with your boyfriend? I imagine not. So you endured it all, waiting for the time to be the first in his life.
    So, what is that you have to accept?

    Do you want to accept the fact that a marriage does not bring siblings apart and that their bounds is preserved even when they start a new family?
    You may reflect on the fact that such a deep bound cannot be broken from one day to another. This is true for every pair of siblings. However, marriage is a big step indeed, it is a change of life that brings new needs and new duties on the table. That is when one may realize he/she does not have all the time to keep in touch with his/her siblings as once he/she used to. Hence he/she draws the line. This is what may happen naturally. Your boyfriend is not married yet. Nevertheless, under the pressure, he may actually decide that the time he dedicates to his sister is OK even after marriage. If this is what you are fighting to accept, try to imagine that spending time with his sister is your boyfriend’s hobby. When he is away, imagine for example he went to watch a car race or went to see some other show you dislike. He is going to be much happier when is bad. Wouldn’t you let him go? Or is there a difference?

    This leads to my second hypothesis.
    Do you want to accept the fact that your boyfriend will keep in touch and help a person you are not in good relationship with?
    He is your boyfriend, yet he goes out and helps and listens to a person that talks bad about you and maybe also tries to sabotage your relationship. It is not a nice feeling indeed. However, there are plenty of situations when your boyfriend may hear someone talking bad about you or may benefit from the fact he was single. Imagine, someone offered him a job somewhere and they really needed his skills, wouldn’t they try to take him away from you if you were a problem and hindered his performance? Such things are not under your control and you have to rely on your boyfriend to be honest and fair about it. I suppose you’ve talking to him about what was bothering you: the fact that his sister is not nice to you. I further suppose that he also reassured you that nothing his sister would say or do will make him change his mind about you. But a request you can make to him.
    Tell him that when his sister calls you with names or uses some other bad tone, she is emotionally undermining the appreciations he has for you. Due your experience of fighting hard to be accept in social circles, that is something you are very sensible about. You fear that the bad feeling she puts in those words is really a mine that may explode when he least expects it. Cite some example from your past. Then ask him what he thinks when his sister call you with those names and reflect together about why such bad feelings injected from the side will not hinder your love. As a first hint, observe that five years make quite a strong bound. As a second hint, try to detect what “defect” of yours his sister is trying to highlight by calling you with names, and reflect about why that “defect” is not important.
    So expand your concept, when someone attacks you, you do not have to attack back or run away, you may just simply keep constructing your fortress, so that the stones they will throw at you won’t make a dent in the wall. Well, maybe the stones will not make you sleep during the first nights, but you will get used with time. Moreover, keep the doors open, you never know the poor guy will get bored and think that joining you for a dinner at your fireplace is a better idea.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by Vhanon.
    • This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by Vhanon.
    #67415
    Yanmei
    Participant

    Hi Vhanon,

    Sorry for the late reply! Thanks for the reply though, certain parts do reach out to me. Well, my boyfriend’s sister only got married for about 6 months…out of necessity…and her husband is also someone that she doesn’t know for very long…it was really a case where she had no choice but to be married to him, so they went ahead with it. After this married, she also has other duties, but maybe it’s age, maybe it’s character, she just tosses them aside and run to my boyfriend. As you have said, these are the kinds of things I am unable to control, I can’t tell her that her behaviour is not right, and even if I do, it is up to her if she wants to reflect on herself and change.

    In terms of what she is saying about me, it’s honestly just bad name calling. It’s just being exceptionally crude and rude n the words she uses, in a very uneducated manner. I do not think it is particularly aimed at anything about me, but just at me in general.

    I have been struggling with taking a backseat, and like you said wait for him to perhaps come on his own, and maybe thinking that hanging out with me could be fun as well, but I guess because I feel like I always need to be in control of a situation, so I also need to control his actions, and when it’s something he’s doing that is not what I want him to do, then I get irritated.

    I fully acknowledge that I do have a part to play in the breakdown of communication as well, I am also reflecting on myself and I acknowledge that I need to change, therefore I hope to gain some insight on how to make the change easier to accept by coming on this forum and listening to what people have to say.

    I really appreciate the thing about the wall, and it’s true, that for this week, what I saw has been affecting me and stressing me so much that I’ve been having disturbed sleep and waking up every few hours, but there are things I cannot change in people, I can only change my reaction to it, and of course strengthen my wall so that I am not so easily affected. Finally would be to share my feelings and just trust that my boyfriend knows what he is doing, and he will do what is necessary.

    #67467
    Vhanon
    Participant

    Hi Yanmei,

    I’m glad you could find something useful among my words.

    Maybe it’s an hard thing to accept that we cannot control everything. When we call a person ours, it may become difficult to acknowledge they still have the right to their own choices and to their time. Your boyfriend is first of all a boyfriend, then he is yours. He is another person and that’s the fun part: he adds something new to the couple. Please feel honored by the time he decides to spend with you, he welcomes you in his life and that’s precious gift. Feel proud of the time you decide to spend with him, you welcome him in your life and that’s a precious gift.

    If sometimes he does something you do not like, please acknowledge his right to choose, you may eventually find out that’s a good thing for him and maybe for you as well. Or you my find a reason to point to him that what he chose to do was not such a great idea. However, resist the temptation to give the faults to others. It’s easier to be angry with his sister rather than with him for his choice, you are close to him and far from her. Please, consider that his sister may be thinking the same thing about you, that you are taking his brother away and making him do something she does not like. Maybe your fondness for him can be a nice common point for a friendship, rather than a point of contention.

    Good luck with your fortress, build one spare room, you never know when you may have guests.

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