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  • #190281
    Anonymous
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    Dear calisister:

    Interesting, you mentioning that you see it like a therapist who cannot do couple therapy with her client.. my therapist, during my first and only quality psychotherapy, did just that: one to one therapy with me and couple therapy with me and my husband, at times. It was not a problem at all. A good therapist does not… take sides, but instead is loyal to exploring the truth. With that aim, it is not a conflict of interest situation.

    I respect your choice to not share here anymore and I invite you to share again if you change your mind and heart.

    I see your hope in quality psychotherapy, one where you persist, work hard (relaxing will be part of that hard work!), and continue for a long while.

    anita

    #190283
    cali sister
    Participant

    I would like to share but I fear my sister reading the posts. I find that there are two sides to some things and I have been unable to put my input.

    What I said about the couples therapy is not an opinion.  It is something I have been told by 3 of my therapists thus far

    I spoke to her and agreed that we will not read each other’s posts. Based on that, I would like to ask you not to reference our posts to each other. So we can explore our own journeys here

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by cali sister.
    • This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by cali sister.
    #190289
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    I believe your sister is trustworthy to not read your thread and that you are trustworthy to not read her thread. I will respect your request and will not reference your posts to each other from this moment and on.

    anita

    #190305
    cali sister
    Participant

    thank you. means a lot. i enjoy writing here.

    i have received some great homework assignments from my therapist and am excited to complete them. i will see in future sessions if she is a good fit for me

    with regards to my sister, i understand where you and her are coming from. that it is unfair to release my distress and expect her to heal me. i did not realize i was doing this. however, i do want to say that many times she has done this to me as well. again, i am not saying i DO NOT do this. i see that i do now. but i think what i am trying to say is we are both struggling, so she is not someone who’s advice that i think i should take anymore.

    yesterday she called me, and i understand she is angry, i do. but here are some things she said to me. i wanted to see how you would think of such statements and how i should take them because i am struggling with them:

    this is my sister speaking: you are exactly like our mom. you have feelings of grandiosity. you think you are so cool and fun. youre not.  i am not born on this earth to take care of you and our family. cut your crap. no one wants to be around you and no one likes you. go read anitas post to you, even she wants nothing to do with you anymore. you push everyone away. i am the only one that is shining in this family and i am the only one that has made something for myself. i am the only one that is successful. you cant even do your residency, think about what i do. i operate. i am like a superhuman. i do not want to tell you these things because i think it will just cause you to jump off a bridge. but you need to hear it. everyone leaves you. you cant do anything. so what you moved away, you havent been able to function one day. who cares about your director or C. your director has bipolar. he’s crazy himself. stop listening or talking about these people.

    i find many of these statements false. to be honest, my director believed in me and the couple days i have been back at work, i have been doing well. he’s not “crazy,” he’s a great support i have.

    i may be not seeing the truth. but i admit that. this forum is for me to write my honest thoughts. i am not my mother. your post states how it is not fair how i treat her, but what about how she treats me? this is why i would like to avoid any sister talk/conflict. i wrote that statement, but i do not expect you to respond. just saying, there are two sides. and i am truly sick of everyone blaming me. when my parents are angry at her, they scream at me. when she is angry at my mom, she screams at me. since i was a young girl, she would talk my mothers anger out on me. on one new years, she did the same. she said, since i live at home, my presence reminds her of my mother. her husband said this was not fair. i found out about my father’s cardiac procedure. i understand my mother said horrible things to her. when i found out they did the same to me. she, however, yelled at me probably more so than she would have if this did not happen. she abuses me too. the examples i have are endless. my sister has played a role in my detriment as well. and i have played a role in hers. we are not healthy for each other right now.

    the reason i may get defensive is because most times we speak, she is the one bringing up distressing topics or constantly talking about my mother. it is not me. ever. i will talk about something that happened at work (she will half listen the way my parents do) and then immediately bring up tiny buddha or my mother. i try to change the subject and talk about something else. she states “i cant talk about anything else with you because you are not normal. i cant be your normal sister. i dont care about your friends. they never last anyway.” i am not in this instance trying to be “fun and cool”, i am just trying to talk about something else that is not MOM. so i understand i have caused her distress, but she has also caused me distress. i think it is best for me to cut contact for a while. not NO contact. but just basically telling her i am alive. just as i am not healthy for me, she is not healthy for me. what she does to me is not fair either. sending me paragraphs and paragraphs of messages. sending me huge, long emails and then getting angry when i do not read them. then acting like it did not happen the next day. the things she says i do to her, she has done to me. i do not want to play this back and forth game. I UNDERSTAND she has taken on a parent figure, but she cannot be a parent because she herself is also in need of therapy. from now on, i will write here, to myself, or speak to a therapist.

    i repeat: my sister has played a role in my detriment as well. and i have played a role in hers. we are not healthy for each other right now. 

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by cali sister.
    #190311
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    I read your post. And I am keeping my word to you in my earlier post, the one right before yours.

    The focus is, should be, your healing. Whomever promotes it should be in your life, and who does not, should not. Choose the people and choose the interactions. Take advantage of the freedom you have, to choose.

    I am curious to know what happened in therapy and what homework assignment you received.

    anita

    #190317
    cali sister
    Participant

    i understand. i honestly was deeply offended and felt that i needed to stand up for myself.

    i had asked regarding the statements my sister said to me and how to heal from them. that is all. regardless if it is my sister or C – they are statements that were very offensive. all i was asking is how to deal with them.

    if you do not feel comfortable, i understand.

    #190321
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    I feel comfortable to comment about her statements. I thought you didn’t want me to. So what did you mean by not referencing? I also don’t care if you read her thread or if she reads yours. Clarify to me what you mean by the referencing, will you?

    anita

    #190325
    cali sister
    Participant

    referencing meaning telling her or me to go read one others posts. her and i will no longer read. thats our agreement. i understand it does not affect you or that you don’t care. i am not blaming you, in any regard. my words may come off wrong.

    I was referring to:  she told me that she was told to read what you had written on my post by you – and this resulted her in saying “even anita doesn’t want to help you anymore.” which quite frankly, made me burst into tears. “even someone who doesn’t know doesn’t want to talk to you. I dont even read your posts. i only did bc she told me to”

    This is what i meant by reference. i am sorry if you misunderstood.

    #190327
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    So you want me to not suggest to you to read Cali Chica’s thread and to not suggest to her to read yours. It is okay with you that I mention/ comment/ write about your sister on your thread and that I mention/ comment/ write about you in your sister’s thread. It is okay with me too, then. Will respect your assertion, now that I understand it better.

    First, I’ve been getting to know the two of you over time. As I mentioned before, I don’t know how either one of you looks like, couldn’t recognize either one if I saw you, don’t know lots of (what I consider to be) trivial information about either one, for example favorite food and such. But I very much value what I do know, and what I am learning. I believe I know both of you, unfortunately, way more than probably most people who have met you in person, including your mother. I learned more about you recently, and I am open to learn more, understand better, see where I misunderstood and correct my thinking along the way.

    Second, I like communicating with both of you, would like both of you separately and together, to experience well-being. I am not for one and against the other.

    And now, to your recent long thread: I think your sister is on a vacation currently. I think you should not contact her for as long as she is on her vacation. I hope she relaxes where she is. She needs to. It is a good thing that you realize (so you wrote) that you have burdened her with your distress, in what I referred to as temper tantrums sort of. Have her well-being in mind. She has a lot to deal with, a very demanding job, a marriage, and  of course, the parents you both share. Probably a good idea to take a break from sharing with her and hopefully in the future, you can learn to share with her responsibly, in such a way that takes her into consideration, in a way that doesn’t overwhelm her.

    I agree with you, that you are “both struggling”. The two of you have been receiving abuse by your mother and your father for too many years.  What happens is that both of you are angry as a result, understandably, naturally. And of course, under such circumstances, as children and growing up, either one of you, at one time, turned against the other with anger.

    Anger doesn’t stay contained in a family. Often, siblings too scared to confront their parents, naturally, turn against each other.

    Regarding what she told you yesterday: “You are exactly like our mom”- not exactly, of course not. Like her you have expressed your distress to your sister irresponsibly, overwhelming her, going to extremes, and that was wrong.

    “I am not born on this earth to take care of you and our family”- I support that. Absolutely. And I hope she no longer attempt to do that.

    “No one wants to be around you and no  one likes you”- that hurts. Not right, abusive. Sure, a repetition of your mother’s message of same. And so, right here, Cali Chica is being like the mother you share.

    “I am the only one  that is shining in this family and the only one that has made something for myself”- I don’t know what she means by it. At times she is definitely shining, but so are you.

    “I don’t want to tell you these things because I think it will just cause you to jump off a bridge”- that is a result of you reaching out to her repeatedly with suicidal talk, which is wrong for you to do, unfairly overwhelming her. She has tried repeatedly to be as gentle as she can be with you, not so? Like in the supportive post she placed in your thread. Sometimes she can’t do it and lashes out. She is not a saint. She gets angry like any human. Expecting her not to get angry when you burden her with suicidal talk, is unrealistic and unfair of you.

    “I am the only one that is successful… You can’t do anything.. You haven’t been able to function one day”- these three things are simply not true and stating these things is abusive.

    “who cares about your director.. he’s crazy himself”- wrong. He read sane and supportive to me. Some of her statements cause me to worry more about your sister’s mental well-being. Please, calisister, be careful to not burden her, let he be for a long time, let her heal and recover. She is not capable of helping you. I hope you see how distressing it has been for her. Leave her alone.

    I think the two of you should leave each other alone for a long time. I don’t mean to have no contact, but very little and keep it light. Nothing heavy, not even close to heavy. The two of you need to heal separately, individually before a deeper relationship is resumed. A deeper relationship that will work for the two of you, in a Win-Win way, that is.

    You wrote: “When my parents are angry at her, they scream at me. When she is anger at my mom, she screams at me. Since I was a young girl, she would take my mother’s anger out on me.”- this is the point I made earlier on this post: children submit to the parents’ abuse and turn against each other. Very common. Shame it keeps going as the adults that you are, still submitting to your mother/ parents’ abuse and passing on the abuse to others.

    Instead of asserting yourselves with your abusers, you submit to their abuse and … abuse each other and others in your lives.

    I agree with you: “she cannot be a parent because she herself is also in need of therapy.”- of course she is. How is it possible to spend one’s childhood, those formative years, with your mother and her dutiful, follower of a husband (your father) and not need therapy. (no question mark there, notice)

    I think the two of you do need space from each other, for the benefit of the two  of you individually and for the purpose of having a healthy relationship in the future, not now.

    anita

     

    #190329
    cali sister
    Participant

    anita,

    thank you for your post.

    i understand all you have said. i actually do not tell her about suicidal thoughts that often. but i think when i do, it seems like it is always happening. so i get that.

    like i overwhelm her, she overwhelms me. constantly copy and pasting tiny buddha into emails to me. or asking me to practice tactics on the phone. the way that you describe how i overwhelm her or reach out to her repeatedly – that is something of the past that she has held on to because it has been traumatizing. i understand that. however, it is just not true that i do that on a regular basis anymore. with distance, we will see that. the part i found most offensive in her talk is that she made me feel (i know it may not be true), but in that moment, that i am doing all of this to her. but what about what she does to me? she never states that. to me or her husband (me just simply venting here). regardless, because of this, we will indeed keep distance. i agree with you fully.

    i am leaving for my best friends bachelorette tomorrow. i have goals: smile, breathe, do not drink (if i have to for traditions, 2 maximum), leave the club/bar scene if i want to. i can do what i want. like you said, i have freedom. i have power

    yesterday at the dog park, my puppy got attacked by another dog and was bleeding. he was yelping. i grabbed him. i cried. and cried and cried. i felt: wow i am his mother. and i have to nurture him. imagine how he would feel if i just left him. i do not want to be my mother.

    therapy homework: find 3 affirmations by louise hay that mean something to you. put them on your bathroom mirror. read them out loud every morning and night. do not memorize them. read them out loud. Next, buy a doll that represents me as a little girl. she will come to each session we have.

    cali sister (by the way – my favorite color is green, and i love mexican food!)

    #190333
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    Your two trivia sharing is making me smile as I type this. Now I know.

    A couple of comments on your latest post: it is not good enough for you to not share suicidal thoughts with your sister “that often”. You should never, not even once, share such with her. One time is one too many times.

    Regarding overwhelming her not “on a regular basis anymore”, same principle, one time is one too many. In the future when you do share with her, pay attention so to share responsibly, in moderation, so to not overwhelm.

    About the ways she overwhelms you, be assertive with her. Tell her. Only I hope there is no need at this point, that you already communicated or soon will communicate about keeping a distance, one aimed at individual healing.

    Another aim- to be a good mother, in the future, far future I hope, if you choose to be a mother. I think it is an excellent idea to turn one’s back to an abusive parent and turn toward your children, let your loyalty be with the innocent, not the guilty.

    Will soon be away from the computer for about sixteen hours. Take good care of yourself, help your dog heal from his bleeding and keep your own healing going.

    anita

    #190395
    cali sister
    Participant

    anita,

    more trivia: i love fashion and used to be a dancer!

    when i think of me and my puppy: i think of me and my mom. someone who is not ready to be a mother. thank god my puppy cannot be influenced by me mentally. and so he trots along happy. and i take the utmost care of him. i cannot wait, with this healing process i have began, to start feeling unconditional love for him. rather than just KNOWING i have it. i have to love me first.

    he’s such a sweetie. i want to feel better so i can feel not so anxious around him.

    my therapist told me to stop using the words “im not normal” – here is what i am to say: i am someone who has abused and i am on my path to getting better. the way i behave is an expected outcome of what i have been through.

     

    #190421
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    The image of a fashionably dressed, dancing calisiter brings to my face the first smile of the day.

    I agree with your therapist suggestion. Besides, being normal, what is that? Being normal, that is what is commonplace, is not something of an inspiration to me because normal is not mentally healthy, in my experience.

    anita

    #190425
    cali sister
    Participant

    Yes I agree. I just called my parents from the airport (mostly to check in on my dad). The moment my mother took the phone. I felt the anger come in. The things she said were so irritating. And worst of all was her voice. Oh her voice. I wanted to throw my phone out. I couldn’t wait to get out off the phone. It’s almost similar to a dog trying to squirm through a small space. Oh that’s enough for a week I think!

    #190435
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear calisister:

    You shared before about that squirming when you hear or see your mother, about her child like voice and expressions… tell me more, will you, about that feeling. How does it affect you after talking to her and squirming, how long does the squirm last?

    anita

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