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  • #82893
    Brian
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    Hey folks,

    Last month two new neighbors moved in below me in the building. They appear to be the first neighbors I’ve had in my 8 years living here who go to bed later than I do–which means I hear noises like the opening and shutting of dressers and doors as late as midnight (or later). The noises themselves aren’t excessively loud. However, due to PTSD I become afraid of the noises–it’s a long story about childhood stuff. I think things like “I shouldn’t be hearing this now” and other not-in-the-moment stuff and lay in bed afraid and upset. I do use Dialectical Behavioral Therapy skills to get me through it (stuff like “feelings aren’t facts”, distress tolerance techniques, etc), but lately it’s been very difficult.

    I do think that, with enough practice and trying to figure out what works the most, I should be able to lessen the fear in time. I’ve already had one epiphany about it that made me feel invincible. However, right now just sucks.

    Also, even if/when I do stop being afraid of the noises, they still go on late. Which makes me wonder: am I resigned to poor sleep as long as they’re there? Earplugs and white noise machines don’t really work, since the opening and closing that’s going on makes the walls vibrate, in classic thin-walled-apartment-building syndrome.

    Any thoughts?

    #82923
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    I have lots and lots of unfortunate experience with noisy neighbors. Meditation helped some and so did getting out and being away for much of the day. Best was to move out. I used to be so disturbed by the noise that I truly wished I was deaf. I wish I lived where it was impossible to hear ANY noise from any neighbor.
    anita

    #82929
    Brian
    Participant

    If it helps, my childhood trauma had to do with my dad and my sister clomping around the linoleum in the kitchen outside my room. My family would fight so often that I became scared of those footfalls and door-shuttings–I wished everyone would just leave me alone. So now I’m interpreting the noise as not merely noise but as a threat to me. Only there *is* no threat. In fact, there’s barely been a sound all evening. But they’ve made enough sounds late, at reasonable volumes (like shutting the bathroom and/or bedroom door), that I, in my hypervigilance, have worked myself into a tremendous amount of anxiety over it. I anticipate sounds, which produces far more suffering in me than the actual sounds (though the actual sounds serve as a sort of “confirmation” that my anticipation was right, even if the anticipation does not help me).

    As an apartment-dweller, I really shouldn’t expect absolute quiet. I mean, *I* am not absolutely quiet. The people below me are simply living. So it’s my own hypervigilance, my own irrational fears, that are overtaking me. I practice things like breathing exercises and telling myself that there is no danger, I’m not at home when I was a kid…and it’s not my fault. I’m emotionally reacting to things based on old ways of thinking that were survival mechanisms growing up, but that no longer work and that now in fact cause me massive suffering.

    I just spent about an hour making a list of things that I automatically think when hearing (or anticipating hearing) sounds from below. Then I make a list of reframing thoughts, thoughts I can replace the automatic thoughts with that are positive and accurate. The DBT book I have says to practice thought replacement coupled with relaxation techniques as often as I can. I’ve been doing it quite often, but I’ve also been mired in automatic thoughts, sometimes without even realizing I’m thinking them.

    The automatic thoughts are easy, because I experienced so much hell, so much emotional abuse through the first 16 years of my life that the thoughts simply came as defense mechanisms. Was there fighting going on the vast majority of that time? Yes. Did my sister emotionally abuse me almost constantly for 16 years, while my parents didn’t know how to soothe me? Yes. So the thoughts and fears back then were justified.

    They aren’t justified now. And yet I still think them. I’ve been countering as I said with positive thoughts and techniques, but I feel like I’m at the very bottom of an impossibly sheer and tall hill–I have no idea how I’m going to get through this.

    And, if I moved somewhere else, who’s to say that I won’t run into a similar or worse issue?

    #82937
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    Hello Brian,

    I responded and my whole post disappeared. What I tried to post was to ask whether you’ve tried tapping therapy called EFT? I’ve been told it can be effective in managing the episodes of anxiety. If you google “ptsd tapping”, you’ll find articles and instructional videos on YouTube.

    I think it’s worth to at least try different methods and stick with the ones that help you personally.

    #82942
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    Your second post is very helpful to me in understanding your situation. It is that energy, that trauma energy from your childhood still trapped in your brain/ body that gets re-activated as you anticipate the noises or otherwise hear them. When you anticipate or hear the noises you get aroused: heart beating faster/ breathing shallower and faster/ body temperature rising/ mind racing.

    You are doing all the right things to soothe yourself. I will add one aspect that I became aware of only lately, as I deal with traumatic energy myself. Once you are aroused by that energy, the arousal itself, those symptoms I mentioned, any or all, are in themselves arousing, troubling. The brain feels you are in danger because you experience these symptoms. this is the part where I was lost. I kept looking for the THOUGHT that triggered/ aroused me. Often it was the arousal itself that perpetuated more arousal.

    I agree with parts of Walking the Tiger, the book in explaining what I tried to explain in the above paragraph. Parts of the book helped me understand trauma better.

    One more thing: can you CREATE a good parent image in you, create an “inner parent” so to speak that you can talk to and who will talk to you in the ways that you need, comforting and soothing you?

    anita

    #82943
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Brian,

    While trying Anita’s advice, I would also get wall to wall carpeting, drapes, heavy tapestries on the wall, and lots of pillows. These will reduce the sudden, loud, tinny sounds to muffled, subtle thumps.

    It DOES make a difference!!

    Best,

    Inky

    #82956
    pink24
    Participant

    Hi Brian,

    Why not just ask them to keep it down? Usually in an apartment building there is an understanding of ‘quiet hours’, like after 10pm people are supposed to shut the f— up. I had a similar issue in my building the first week I moved in about six years ago and I complained to the landlord. And it worked. (an ps, ummm that’s their job…) And there was no backlash or any issue afterwords.

    No one likes noise, especially late at night. Why should you have to put up with it?

    Good luck!
    Pink:)

    #82959
    Brian
    Participant

    Hey The Ruminant (great name btw),

    A friend of mine teaches tapping techniques like that to at-risk youth as part of his job. I never gave it much thought, but I will now. I’ll take anything that works.

    Anita,

    I think it’s ultimately the thought that precedes the arousal, but my thoughts are so automatic that the arousal happens before I’m able to cope. That said, my brain chemistry has been altered by the extremely detrimental childhood (I don’t remember ANY love whatsoever in the house, or soothing), so I certainly am very prone to arousal and disproportionate fear, and have been my entire life. I definitely think that the arousal, the fear, the fear of panic becomes the “prompting event” (in DBT-speak) rather than the noise itself. I haven’t tried cultivating a positive inner parent, but I need a soothing figure, so that sounds like an idea.

    Inky,

    If only I could do the wall-to-wall carpeting. I really can’t because I live in an apartment building and can’t modify the apartment. I could do the drapes and the pillows though. I also just got a sleep mask (since I’ve been falling asleep late, the sun has been coming in through the blinds and hitting me in the face at 7:30am).

    pink24,

    I think you may need to read my posts again. It’s far less about the noise and much more about my fear/panic about it and my being hypervigilant with my thoughts. I mean, I’m sitting here right now, hearing them talk downstairs (it’s 4pm EST), and I’m getting mildly triggered. They aren’t being excessively loud. I however am going to call my therapist and ask him if he thinks it’s appropriate to ask them to try shutting drawers and doors a bit more quietly–when I’m deep in fear thoughts/arousal, it can be difficult for me to know what a reasonable action is.

    #82961
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    i just looked at the book I wrote to you about (I agree with only part of it). I will try to relate the part of it that I agree with- to what you wrote about yourself: you (and I and every human) are a human-animal. When you were attacked (abused) as a child, like any other animal under attack, or anticipating an attack, were aroused with the energy of Fight or Flight (or Freeze which in nature is temporary and leads to Fight or Flight after thawing). When animals do either their arousal energy completely discharges and the animal, in the wild, does not become traumatized. Brian in his abusive home was attacked, aroused but did not discharge that energy beccause you did not Fight or Flee. This energy is trapped in your brain/ body and has caused all kinds of symptoms which are like safety valve, where the body will take any which way to (partially) release some of all that excess energy so to keep going.

    When you hear the noises from the neighbors, or anticipate the noises, that energy re-activates and you are aroused. Somehow, that energy needs to be released. How? This is where I disagree with the book and don’t even follow the “solution.” But what i do get is that a re-living of the traumatic events of childhood is not effective. This is what I found effective: as I become aroused myself, as the traumatic energy becomes activated, I see in my mind’s eye an image of a mother that I created (recently)- she is there to help me AND I do something else, or I did, the other night: I remembered a traumatic event, was activated but not overwhelmed (the image of the created mother was there to comfort me) and I completed the remembered event by standing up to myself. I augmented the memory with an ending of my choosing, an ending that could have then discharged the intense arousal energy then. By remembering and adding an ending to the memory- i experienced some discharge and slept very well that night.

    This kind of discharge, I intend to experiment further with it- but GENTLY, nothing extreme- that will be re-traumatizing myself, so I read. Gentle, like creating an ending to a memory.

    anita

    #82996
    Brian
    Participant

    anita,

    I created a soothing parent last night–a version of my dad where he’s open and loving (my real dad’s not comfortable being open or loving, but he’s not stupid: he realizes how detrimental childhood was for me, and he’s certainly mellowed over the years). I imagined him sitting next to me outside in front of a green lawn, giving me a hug. I started bawling. I guess that means I picked a good soothing parent image, huh? 🙂

    I also did have a polite and effective (from an interpersonal point of view) conversation with the downstairs neighbors. I told them I’m a light sleeper and haven’t been sleeping primarily because of doors opening and shutting (I wish the landlord would install felt or something on the doors to keep them from being loud, but *shrug*). They seemed amenable and friendly. They also have a nice cat.

    #83000
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Brian:

    I feel nice that you created a soothing parent last night … and that you had a good conversation with the neighbors. Regarding the creating part, this is what can make the difference between automatic re-experiencing trauma and healing trauma, our ability to be creative, to create. I figured, no that I am in no contact with my real mother- all I have in my mind is the image of her. When I created my chosen mother, still, it is an image in my brain. My chosen image of a mother is way more authentic to who I am than the image of the biological mother because it is I who created the chosen one.

    I hope you experiment with your soothing parent creation again and again and not give up if at any one time it didn’t produce the satisfactory results. After all nobody expects a real-life parent to be perfect, only good-enough. Same courtesy should be extended to a created parent, says I.

    anita

    #83001
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Typo: NOW, that I am in no contact… not “no that I am…”

    #83012
    Brian
    Participant

    Yeah I agree on the idea on experimenting if my soothing parent doesn’t work at times. After all, doing the exact same coping mechanism over and over again might be helpful but it might also get quite boring and less effective. I took a nap and I imagined my soothing dad guarding the apartment for me 🙂

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