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  • #377810
    Anonymous
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    Dear Ishita:

    I read part of your recent post this late afternoon (my time) and I want to read it attentively in the morning, when I feel rested and refreshed, better able to read and reply to you. I will therefore be back to your thread in about 14 hours from now. If you want to add anything before I return, please do.

    anita

    #377835
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    Good to read from you again! I am sorry you’re still struggling with feeling betrayed and disappointed in your friend. This is what I am noticing so far: you appear to be someone who is very cautious not to send wrong signals to male friends:

    I m someone who is very particular about what kind of vibe each and everything in my life is setting in me that includes the things that I do and the people I am involved with.

    And incase of a male friend I am even more careful, because I have almost always had a bad experience with getting close to a guy friend that they kind of start having feelings even though they know I dont feel that way. And then it no longer stays the same.

    You are very careful not to cross boundaries and not to be misunderstood, because you had a bad experience with a male friend misinterpreting your kindness and openness, I guess, and it was uncomfortable for you. So you’re super cautious not to send the wrong vibe.

    You believed he was a solid guy, you respected him a lot and looked up to him, so you thought he is similar like you and would never send wrong signals and cross boundaries unless he meant it. You believed that he shared the same values as you do in this respect, and that he’s mature enough not to lead people astray. What I am thinking is that he might be mature and responsible enough in other fields, like his studies, and supporting you in standing up for what’s right, but it doesn’t mean he has the emotional maturity and insight that you do. It appears you’re emotionally more mature than he is.

    He probably felt good receiving all that attention from you, especially after his breakup, when his self-esteem was hurt, and he didn’t think about the consequences. Maybe he was aware of what he was doing but didn’t have the emotional maturity to stop himself from doing it.

    And then it struck me, that if all of this never meant  to him as crossing the friendship boundaries, did I even know this person? Was he even ever a friend or was he selfish enough to let our friendship be ruined for his personal means?

    I’d say you knew him partially, but not completely. This situation revealed that he probably lacks emotional maturity. Was he selfish? Well yes, he did what felt good to him without thinking much of the consequences. I’m not sure though how aware he was of what he was doing to you. That’s why it’s good you asked him and clarified it.

    This really broke me, he is one of the only two friends of mine with whom I have tried to stay in touch everyday, (the other is my bestfriend )  and now it shatters my self esteem that I could allow someone to have this much of my attention and affect with their toxic behaviour in my life. I feel bad that i thought i could trust him with myself, that even though guys have this tendency of leading girls on, he is not one of em.

    You seem to be disappointed not only in him, but also in yourself for not seeing his intentions earlier. For not seeing that he wasn’t really this perfect guy you thought him to be. Well, it wasn’t your fault really, because you didn’t have a full picture of him earlier. You saw him as solid, reliable, responsible, kind…  because you weren’t in a position to see him from this proximity. Now you had the chance, and you’re not in an illusion any more.

    I don’t know if he’s narcissistic – which means irreparably selfish and self-centered – or he simply needs more self-awareness and emotional maturity. Perhaps you’d need to figure that out before you decide how to proceed with him.

    These are my thoughts for now, let me know what you think…

    #377839
    Ishita
    Participant

    Thanks Teak for your valuable insights

    To be honest, Ifeel you as well as Anita actually got me with my updates.

    I completely agree with whatever u have mentioned above, thanks again for understanding, it feels really good to let it out.

    Ya about whether he is a narcissist or not,

    Well I think he is, but I only gotto know that in these two months, never had an image of him like that before.

    He has indulged in gaslighting me at times and it used to leave me emotionally hurt.

    He started to become more about himself, and criticising me for smallest of things, making me feel uncomfortable.

    Whenever I used to bring these things to his notice, he either used to keep defending himself with baseless reasons or trying to be “overly technical” About everything(trying to show how smart he is) or when I used to really make him realise what was wrong, he would go entirely silent but never to own up and say sorry or give a rigid answer, unlike me.

    This behavior usedto keep me hanging thinking tht he is trying and maybe he wants this because thats the kind of signals i used to feel from the conversations.

    Now i dont exactly think that he was legit unaware of what was happening,

    Since as I said he used to have some good opinions on intention of my other guy friends when we werent thisclose.

    Now, the thing is

    I feel I shouldnt , sort out with him whatever I am feeling right now, because somewhere I feel, he would still not own up to his part of mistake, and instead would either defend himself by not analysing deeply or would indulge in gaslighting. So, I dont know if this confessing would actually help me let go or not?

    But a part of me also believes that if he cared even a bit about me, then maybe he will understand and have a bit of remorse atleast.

    But I dont know what to do?

     

    #377840
    Ishita
    Participant

    The other reason why I don’t want to talk to him and tell him that I dont want even a friendship further on, is because somewhere I feel, that now that I know he isnt as wise as much as I thought he was, he would probably just think that I am ending this friend ship because he rejected me and not the fact that I dont feel the trust anymore.

    He would probably end up holding grudge and would think that I did this because He didnt feel the same way.

    But this right now is just a thought in my head, I dont actually know how will he react, would he be sorry this happened and promise me that if we build this friendship again from scratch he will make sure to take care from his side

    OR

    Will he blatantly lie about being clueless abt it all, and hold grudge on me for breaking this friendship and maybe pat himself on his back, that he could get a girl to fall for him right after his breakup.

    I dont know anymore

    But i do know that he is waiting for me to get back to him after I am done with my distancing thing

    #377841
    Ishita
    Participant

    Let me know what you guys think

    #377842
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    you’re welcome!

    He started to become more about himself, and criticising me for smallest of things, making me feel uncomfortable.

    Could you give an example of what he was criticizing about you?

    Whenever I used to bring these things to his notice, he either used to keep defending himself with baseless reasons or trying to be “overly technical” About everything(trying to show how smart he is) or when I used to really make him realise what was wrong, he would go entirely silent but never to own up and say sorry or give a rigid answer, unlike me.

    Again, if you could give an example of a situation where you had a quarrel, and how he was trying to defend himself?

    I think it’d help me get a little better picture of his character…

     

    #377843
    Ishita
    Participant

    For example, these are very small things to say, but he used to really hold on to that

    Say I sent him a post, as an instagram msg, (which I used to frequently, sending him some philosophical quote or read) , and then this one time I sent him something, which was on love and as soon as I sent him, I decided to delete it because I thought he might take it personally and get the hint that maybe it was about us.

    So, as soon as I deleted it, he managed to see it and then he wouldn’t let it go, he legit got angry on such a stupid thing.

    He was like , you dont want to share anything with me, why would you send something and delete it and he just wouldn’t let that go . And I am not someone who would let someone just stay angry, I did tell him sorry and tried to convince him a lot bbut he just didnt listen and finally said gud night and left and for days I couldnt let tht be (because I wanted him to understand that it wasnt ok to let things stay unresolved atleast before sleeping)

    The other would be : say I was talking to him on call for like half an hour and then I asked him to come on meet because I wanted to show him something cool. But as soon as I left that call, my sister called me to hangout with her, so I texted him, that maybe I can catch up with him later.

    To which he pretended to be fine.

    But then after ten minutes our club members call us up for an informal meeting, so I told them in the grp, the same thing, that I might join in later.  But after talking to my sister I,because its necessary for your position to bond in the club, I join the informal meeting first (where he is also present) , instead of calling him to continue from where we left.

    So then I get this angry message from him, that u just told me u werent available , and now u are in the meeting and I was waiting for you(when I had already let him know that I wouldnt want him to wait) .  So, I left the meeting and called him immediately, but he just wouldn’t pick my calls at that point and neither talk to me, he was pissed for I dont know what reasons. But unresolved issues make me bothered even if it doesn’t to him

    So the next day I called him to resolve this, i told him sorry and I also made it very clear that, just because it was him, I tried to sort it out, but if it were any other guy friend of mine expecting this, then I might have lashed out.

    Now, i think such convos should have given him some hint of what I was feeling and his this anger seemed kind of something what a boyfriend would expect i felt.

    What do u think, please let me know

    #377844
    Ishita
    Participant

    Also, I must say, these things had begun since the mid of january before that he had never shown me his this side,

    I somewhere also felt, that maybe he was behaving this way because I started first with my expectation.

    I had lashed out once or twice before this when I thought he wasnt talking to me the way he generally does., he was acting a bit distant, but I used to cool off easily with his single phone call for resolving

    I do feel that was my fault to presume that he feels the same for me and that I had a right to expect all that from him., but also this was my first time I ever behaved this way to a guy friend

    So,now I know it and I know I shouldnt even subtly force someone to stay in contact frequently even if I think something is gng on, because its not right nether for me or for that person

    #377846
    Ishita
    Participant

    Also, I would just like to add,

    That the reason I had lashed out at him once or twice wad, because we used to call eachother almost daily during the months of December and November and so, it got me thinking that it meant something.

    Although i know doing that to someone who isnt your boyfriend isnt right, but I just trusted we were getting there.

    #377847
    Ishita
    Participant

    I am sorry if this feels, overflooding with not so relevant info 😅

    I would totally understand

    #377852
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    Thanks for giving some examples…

    So then I get this angry message from him, that u just told me u werent available , and now u are in the meeting and I was waiting for you(when I had already let him know that I wouldnt want him to wait) .  So, I left the meeting and called him immediately, but he just wouldn’t pick my calls at that point and neither talk to me, he was pissed for I dont know what reasons. But unresolved issues make me bothered even if it doesn’t to him

    Well, this incident when you couldn’t come on meet (and texted him about it), after which he got offended and acted like a spoiled brat – definitely shows his immaturity. Not only then, but on multiple other occasions too, he expected you to drop everything for him, to always be available, to talk to him first before talking to anybody else – but he didn’t do the same for you. It really seems he used you when he needed you to boost his mood, but I don’t think he genuinely cared about you.

    And you’re right that he probably knew what he was doing by leading you on, because he could see and recognize similar behavior in other guys. So he’s not that innocent and clueless as he’s portraying himself to be.

    And apart from these conversations there used to be his weird expectations that I talk to him first before anyone else if I told him i will call him back or so and let him know whenever I am gng out (which is kind of what a boyfriend would say)

    Actually, if he’s a narcissist, this might have even been his strategy to make you believe he cares about you. Like, I care so much, I am so possessive of you. It looked like a behavior of a jealous boyfriend, and no wonder you thought he might really have feelings for you. But it might have been actually an act…

    This is what I’ve got so far, I am still thinking about the best plan of action, and whether you should confront him. Let’s wait what Anita has to say…

    #377857
    Ishita
    Participant

    Yes that might be the case what you are saying, and i kind of think it is so.

    But one thing I would like to correct in your observation (I dont know if it makes much difference or not) but he diduse to always have time for me.

    There used to be times when I used to be upset for some unresolved issue of ours, and then he used to call me even though he be sleeping and I d keep telling him that we can take this up later, but it used to feel sweet how he used to not let go and listen to my take., (but eventually I realised that just listening wasnt helping, we were just wasting hours talking abt the same thing again and again because he didnt use to give me a rigid answer., just used to listen)

    It was his sudden emotional unavailability which started killing me, but I wouldnt say that he didnt use to have time for me, he always used to take out time for me, even if he used to feel sleepy or be busy. So, i kind of used to feel I was his priority maybe.

    But then, all that in the end doesnt matter if the connection doesn’t feel strong enough, or if there is more of bad days than the goodones

     

    #377859
    Ishita
    Participant

    Hey Anita and Teak, i just want to let u know, that even if u r unsure of what I should do forward on, then i am fine with that

    I will be grateful to whatever take u guys have and then ultimately make a choice of my own

    I  am just grateful u guys helped me open up about it and supported me,

    Had Been feeling a bit weary lately until now

    Thankyou so much

    #377860
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Ishita,

    you said he sometimes used to just listen to you when you were upset about him, and didn’t say anything:

    Whenever I used to bring these things to his notice, he either used to keep defending himself with baseless reasons or trying to be “overly technical” About everything(trying to show how smart he is) or when I used to really make him realise what was wrong, he would go entirely silent but never to own up and say sorry or give a rigid answer, unlike me.

    There used to be times when I used to be upset for some unresolved issue of ours, and then he used to call me even though he be sleeping and I d keep telling him that we can take this up later, but it used to feel sweet how he used to not let go and listen to my take., (but eventually I realised that just listening wasnt helping, we were just wasting hours talking abt the same thing again and again because he didnt use to give me a rigid answer., just used to listen)

    First, could you give an example of how he was being “overly technical”? And what was the issue that you accused him of, to which he “defended” himself just with silence?

     

    #377865
    Ishita
    Participant

    Ohk i dont know how to explain his overtechnicality but something like

    What happened recently was.

    I wanted to talk to him about something but he went all silent the entire day, because he was sleeping(but he hadnt told me that then)

    So naturally i was a bit upset the next day, that I msgd u and u weren’t responsive at all so, he called me

    And told me that he was sleeping the entire day, why was I making a deal out of it.

    So I told him he should have atleast told me that instead of ignoring completely.

    But we couldn’t continue our conversation further.

    Now, i was getting a bit anxious by the end, so I kind of was angry, that I felt that maybe we were connecting again because he had been video calling me evry day for a week then until that day, so I just didnt want to lose that again.

    He told me he will call me back so I waited, and had begun tofeel that maybe this was wrong onmy part he isnt my boyfriend and so I wanted to resolve this from my end as well if hecalled

    Butbythen wewere Exchanging a bit of text

    And the thing that happened is he was suddenly bursting me with a bunch of text that he probably wont be able to VC but will surely call,

    So I said that if he is busy we can maybe take it up later its fine, I can wait.

    So he asked if I was ok?

    And I told him referring to that very msg, that I would let him know on call(since i didnt want to get started on text, i think thats a very poor mode of resolving anything)

    So he asked again the same question and I again told him that yes its fine I ll tell him on the call.

    And somehow he assumed it as something close to ignoring his actual msg

    He called later, i talked politely because i wanted this to get resolved.

    But then  to counter his absence the day before he started comparing it to me ignoring his msg “are you fine”

    I couldnt believe him then, how was he even finding the logic.

    I tried to make him understand that I genuinely didnt ignore hismsg, and I was actually replying to the same msg. But according to him,  the only fair reply wod have been either u r fine or you arnt.

    But then he went like,I ignored you for one day and you are making a deal out of it,

    And you just now ignored my msg , nothing abt that.

    Although he knows that I would have said sorry if without a thought, If i would have genuinely felt i ignored his msg

    This matter was really stupid and then he kind of started talking to me rudely, making fun of the way I was fumbling(which i do at times) and it really hurt me, so I told him on that call, that resolving an issuewould be a different thing but one is never supposed to talk rudely to ppl close to them (he didnt use to do that before ) and he knew i dont talk to ppl in that tone, so he went silent and didnt apologize.

    And it went like that for seven days( we werent in contact) and it really hurt me very bad, that such a small matter could go on to this extent,  seven days later hecalled me and i told him it wasnt ok to comeback like nothing happened, and that was the first time I burst in tears while saying that, I used to talk to him very politely and he knew that, and he was suddenly being rude to me just because he qas angry. But he felt really bad and sad and he did apologize, but I knew it was too late by then. I did forgive him

    But i guess this was the last fight we had after which I had really decided this was it, the confusion needs to go, we have been fighting just because of unmatched expectations

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