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  • #412872
    Anonymous
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    Dear Katrine Nielsen:

    Thank you, and likewise: it is a huge relief for me to know that I was/ am not alone!!!

    There are so many expectations that you are supposed enjoy your birthday, and people always assume you have a big party when your birthday is on that particular day!“- I totally relate and this is why I no longer tell people (except that I told you) the date of my birthday, nor do I celebrate it on this date.

    X and Y invited me to join their party and I’m gonna go even though I’m gonna be very nervous! A very happy New Year and a happy birthday tomorrow!“- thank you! I hope that you enjoy your time with X and Y and that you will be calmer than you expect to be. Happy New Year and Happy Birthday to you!

    anita

     

    #412901
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    you know, when I read that old post from April 2021, I thought to myself that it might be your sister who was spreading lies to your friend, because this friend accused you of the same things as your sister accused you of after not attending to her son’s christening (that you’re doing it on purpose to deliberately hurt her). It was the same accusation, so I thought it might have been actually her.

    I understand why you didn’t want to admit it back then – because you were still so much gaslighted by her that it was a taboo to even think that she might be abusive to you. You were also conditioned by your parents to see her as the victim, and yourself as bad if you didn’t comply with her demands. So in your mind, you were the abuser and she was the victim. And then your friend (the one suffering from BPD) accused you of the same – and you totally believed it.

    I can imagine how hard it was for you, and how it contributed to you feeling really badly about yourself and blaming yourself. The only positive role in all of this is your other friend, who saw things much more clearly and warned you that your sister might be faking a lot of things, and that she’s out of line for treating you like that. That’s a good and trustworthy friend! I hope you’re still in touch with her!

    They became best friends due to this lie. My sister would even bring her gifts from helping her with her computer but never said a simple thanks to me or my parents for putting aside our lives helping her out. It still hurts thinking about it.

    Yes I can imagine… as I was studying narcissism a bit more intensely these days, I’ve learned that it’s actually a typical behavior that narcissists are double faced: They show a fake kind face to the outside world, to get praise and admiration. And they show their true, selfish face to their immediate family. Your sister was/is doing the same: kind to other people, and rude and exploitative/ungrateful with her immediate family.

    I think the best way to feel less hurt by her is that you see her as she is, and to stop expecting her to be kind to you. To stop expecting her to change. And also, as I’ve said before, to stop believing the accusations she hurls at you. If she tells you you’re a bad person, you don’t believe it, you know it’s a lie.

    So those two things are crucial: 1) don’t trust her, and 2) stop expecting anything from her. And then third, spend as little time as possible with her, specially with her alone. I’d spend zero time with her alone, if possible. Instead, spend as much time as possible with people who genuinely support you and have your best interests in mind, such as your other friend.

    And of course, make new friends outside of your sister’s circle – which is what you’ve been already doing. Far from her reach, you are free to be yourself and free to be seen as you are, not as your sister sees you.

    I am so happy that X and Y have invited to you to their New Year’s Eve party. There might be even a benefit to coming late – you can just sneak in, similarly to how you used to sneak out 🙂 With not much pomp, you just show up and let X and Y know that you’re there. I guess there will be a lot of people there, with music etc, so they probably won’t all sit around a table looking at the door 🙂 But even if you get some attention, remember that you’re OKAY, that people like you, and that there’s nothing wrong with you!

    Happy New Year to you too, Katrine! I wish you a fun, pleasant, as relaxed as possible New Year’s Eve!

     

    #412902
    Tee
    Participant

    I forgot to say: Happy birthday to you, Katrine! May this New Year be a really good one for you!!

    Dear anita, happy birthday to you too! And happy New Year as well!!

    #412949
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Thank you, Tee, and Happy New Year to you!!!

    Dear Katrine Nielsen:

    For your birthday, I am compiling a short collection of Katrine Nielsen in Her Own Words, words that I hope will guide you in 2023:

    I’ll try and shift focus to where it can be useful, rather than wearing myself out. And try to look at the bigger picture” (Aug 13, 2020).

    I’ve been very insensitive and mean towards myself, so trying being nice and compassionate with myself would definitely be a better approach. Like being my own parent so to speak… Learning to be my number one supporter, and setting boundaries is necessary, and not something that means that I’m selfish” (April 25, 2021).

    Focusing on the process instead of the end results, I’ve actually stepped out of my comfort zone quite a lot, I need to remember that” (Nov 20, 2022).

    As you continue to gather more and more accurate understanding about who the people in your life truly are, please put this growing understanding into good use: to promote your own well-being and to live the best life that is available to you, in 2023 and beyond!

    H a P p Y     B i R t H d A y      K a t e r i n e    N i e l s e n    and     H a P p Y    N e W    Y e A r   !!!

    anita

    #413281
    Tee
    Participant

    How are you, Katrine? How did the New Year Eve’s party go?

    #413379
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Happy New Year and thanks for your birthday wishes.

    Well there wasn’t any need for me to be nervous since it was just me, X, Y and the new girl that I had a coffee date with. Two of the boys from work ended up not joining because of their work schedule, and the cute guy didn’t come cuz he knew that if he started drinking he wouldn’t stop and the girls and him and one of his friends were gonna go to a rave party the next morning so it was a very calm New Years’ Eve party.

    I have been staying for a drink after work a couple of times talking to whoever collegues are there and will keep up doing it. I’m only staying for an hour or so so I can still get my rest (have been working ten days in a row) but being social for even just a little bit is doing me good. Two days ago I did just that and I felt my anxiety kick in when the cute guy came up after his shift ended and started talking to the guy next to me (collegue) that I was in a conversation with, then he started standing close to my back talking to the girl who took over from my shift (the very pretty one I mentioned before) He didn’t talk to me but when he said goodbye to them he did look at me and nod, so he wasn’t completely ignoring me (but still feels hard), still only talks to me when we are alone. But I managed to keep my anxiety at a level and not long after I felt completly fine so the more situations I have like this where I can keep my anxiety from exploding the better.

    Reagrding my sister it took a really long time before I realised I didn’t do what I was accused of. It was hard not to believe it since it was my own sister and one of my best friends so I thought it must have been true back then.

    Yes she is unfortunatly showing a lot of narcissitic traits and everything starting to fall into place. Seeing things more clearly and that I’m not as bad as a person. Writing and reading the past couple of posts about my sister makes me realise that my very strong reaction in regards to not being invited to the guys birthday party isn’t so weird at all. I’ve felt very ashamed of reacting that strongly emotionally to not being invited cuz I didn’t feel I had a right to do so. He wasn’t in any obligated to invite me even if I invited him to my place. But I can now show myself more self compassion of my reactions because now I think that it totally makes sense since they were my primary group and I felt excluded.

    I will definitly spend a minimum time with my sister, it’s better for my health. Luckly with my nephew there’s something to talk about to keep focus away from me and my life which is probably better.

    #413380
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Happy New Year!

    I hope you had an amazing birthday and a great New Years Eve.

    A huge thank you to you and Tee, I have made so much progress that I wouldn’t have done if it wasn’t for you guys. Words cannot explain how grateful I am, as I am continuing this journey of healing.

    #413439
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Katrine Nielsen:

    A pleasure to receive your wishes and your appreciation, thank you for expressing it so kindly! You made my Sunday a better Sunday for having read your words first thing this morning!

    anita

    #413588
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    it’s so good to hear that you had a pleasant, calm New Year’s Eve.

    Well there wasn’t any need for me to be nervous since it was just me, X, Y and the new girl that I had a coffee date with. Two of the boys from work ended up not joining because of their work schedule, and the cute guy didn’t come cuz he knew that if he started drinking he wouldn’t stop and the girls and him and one of his friends were gonna go to a rave party the next morning so it was a very calm New Years’ Eve party.

    This sounds perfect to me – peaceful, not too loud and relaxed – something I myself prefer. Did you feel good? Did the girls know it was also your birthday that day?

    I have been staying for a drink after work a couple of times talking to whoever collegues are there and will keep up doing it. I’m only staying for an hour or so so I can still get my rest (have been working ten days in a row) but being social for even just a little bit is doing me good.

    Great! You’re practicing being social, however not exhausting yourself but doing it in moderation. Excellent approach!

    I am also glad that your anxiety didn’t go up too much around the guy you like. And that he did nod to you – meaning he has acknowledged you and wasn’t rude/weird, as he sometimes is with you.

    As for his birthday, you said “He wasn’t in any obligated to invite me even if I invited him to my place.” — well, it’s customary and polite to return the invitation, i.e. to reciprocate. You invited him to your birthday party (and he came), so he could have invited you to his. But I don’t remember now – was his birthday party after you confessed to him that you like him? Maybe he didn’t invite you since it would have felt awkward?

    Anyway, I just wanted to say that it is customary to return the invitation, so under normal circumstances, he would have been almost “obliged” to invite you. But in this case, if his birthday was after your confession, I can understand why he didn’t invite you…

    Writing and reading the past couple of posts about my sister makes me realise that my very strong reaction in regards to not being invited to the guys birthday party isn’t so weird at all. I’ve felt very ashamed of reacting that strongly emotionally to not being invited cuz I didn’t feel I had a right to do so. … But I can now show myself more self compassion of my reactions because now I think that it totally makes sense since they were my primary group and I felt excluded.

    Right, for you it felt like a similar rejection and betrayal. You weren’t even so hurt that he rejected you as a girlfriend, but it was more that you felt excluded from the friends circle, right? When he invited them and excluded you, it reminded you of being excluded and betrayed by your sister and your former friend. Which left you feeling alone and unwanted, and believing that you’re a bad person. Am I interpreting this right?

    Luckily, you’ve later realized that X and Y actually do like you, that they don’t talk behind your back like your sister did, and don’t play games. They’ve proven themselves to be solid friends, whom you can trust. They are safe people – they won’t hurt you on purpose. And I am glad that you’ve formed a friends circle with them, independent of the guy you like, so you can enjoy their company without worrying about what he will do and how he’ll treat you.

    I will definitly spend a minimum time with my sister, it’s better for my health. Luckly with my nephew there’s something to talk about to keep focus away from me and my life which is probably better.

    Yes, good that you’re trying to minimize the time spent with your sister. The less contact, the better. And yes, talking about your nephew seems like a neutral topic. Whatever you do, don’t confide in your sister, keep your problems (e.g. love troubles) private, because whatever weakness or vulnerability you share with her, she might use it against you later. So give her as little material as possible to harm you.

    A huge thank you to you and Tee, I have made so much progress that I wouldn’t have done if it wasn’t for you guys. Words cannot explain how grateful I am, as I am continuing this journey of healing.

    I am so happy for you, Katrine. You did make an amazing progress and you’re continuing to do so. Wishing you all the best in your journey ahead!

     

    #413622
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    The girls found out about my birthday the day before, and that’s when they invited me along. It was very relaxing they took some coke but didn’t drink a lot because they were saving themselves for the 24 hour rave party the following day.

    Yes, this compromise has serve me really well, I get to show my face and spend some time with my collegues but still getting my rest. It also helps me not feeling like a buzzkill being always being the one to go home first.

    He did come over and had a chit chat, came over from reception just to show me he had fake snow in his pocket (from a privat party we had start december) he talks a bit more when we are alone, talking without actually saying anything. If there’s more people around then he will talk to them and not me (just what I am doing with him) like he did that day talked with the boy and the girl next and not me. At least he looked at me and nodded, and when he left the office he was looking over at me, so he is always making eye contact so that’s good.

    Well I called it a housewarming in front of him that was just a test to see if he would react to it. I’m a very private person and has never done a housewarming before (always assumed that people would’nt care about it) X and Y was just curious to see my place (I was the first one who moved out of the hostel) It was on the day of X’s first housewarming The guy had been up all night only slept two hours, asked me when we were alone that I should bring a few people with me back to the hostel so we could party together (he had the late shift finished at 11 pm) then when we were all standing in reception before going to her house together he started talking to me, sounded disapointed that he couldn’t go so I told him she was doing another one he didn’t say anything, Then I said I was doing one which he imediately replied Your doing a housewarming? I’m coming to that one! The next morning he asked if I ever came back to the hostel when I say no he wanted to know why. He seem very keen on several occasions that he really wanted to be there. He’s a party person and I told him more than once that it wasn’t gonna be a big party like X’s cuz didn’t want him getting disapointed expecting a big party and then it’s only four people drinking with no music. So not like a proper housewarming more like a small gathering at my house.

    His birthday was after the yoga session on a Sunday where I was working. He invited another guy from work (my close friend) and he doesn’t even remember his name, his memory is worst than any person I’ve met. Couldn’t even remember Y’s name after knowing her for three months, or a girl from work even though he had her Instagram, why I got so surprised that he remebered which way (station) I had to go to to get home the day he asked me to the pub. He then celebrated his actual birthday in the café two meters away from me with a guy friend and later his brother, they don’t make us work on our birthdays. I felt a bit awkward having him that close (like always I was afraid of making a fool of myself or something) But I definitly see that feeling of being excluded is a wound that is very big to me. I have lost count of how many times I have been excluded from the group by my peers and I turned that inward as a I’m not good enough otherwise they wouldn’t treat me this way.

    I felt very excluded by not being invited. X and Y are my primary group of friends at work and same for him. We all started by going to a pub together where the guy had other plans but ended up staying with us longer when his friends were actually waiting for him. That day he looked at me and said that This has been fun we should do this again to which I agreed. The time after that we went to a pub after work (he wasn’t there) They were gonna go back to work and continue there I was a bit tired so went home. Then my former roommate who worked the bar wrote me, well guess who is at the bar right now? drinking with X and Y, I felt angry with myself that I had gone home, cuz I really did wanted to stay was just a bit tired. After that it was just then going out, to festivals and in the bar and I felt like I wasn’t really part of that group anymore. The day before my housewarming Y asked me if I was going to the bar I said no I’m gonna go home and clean a bit, then at my housewarming found out that the all partied in the bar together, and they were all talking about it making me feel left out. Had I known he would be there I would have joined, could have helped ease my anxiety hanging out with them as a group before hand. So I feel excluded and betrayed extremely easy. Like when my former roommate didn’t tell me that he came to the bar and asked about me. To this day I’m still curious was it bad or good? why didn’t he tell me?

    Your totally right. I shouldn’t give any personal details to my sister. When I couldn’t come to the christening one of the things to threw in my face was that I had joined the staff party (my parents told her) This was my first staff party having worked all the rest so didn’t want to miss another one. And I only stayed like 3 hours because I was heartbroken and didn’t like seeing him dancing with X and Y. Minimum contact is better for my health.

    sorry for ayet another loong post. I’ve read that overexplaining is a trauma respons maybe that’s why I feel it important to give as many details as possible.

    #413630
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    The girls found out about my birthday the day before, and that’s when they invited me along. It was very relaxing they took some coke

    it’s nice of the girls that they’ve invited you after they’ve found out it’s your birthday on New Year’s Eve. But I don’t like it that they took drugs. Have they offered you some as well?

    I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable around people who are on something, to be honest. It’s also true that I don’t have any experience with drugs, or being in the company of people who are on something, so perhaps I am too wary of it. Do you notice any difference in their behavior once they take coke? Any difference in how they treat you?

    His birthday was after the yoga session on a Sunday where I was working.

    Okay, so he could have been motivated by the fact that he didn’t want to date you and didn’t want to make things awkward. In fact, the reason I’ve brought it up is because you said that he wasn’t in any way obliged to invite you, to which I was thinking “well, if you invited him to your housewarming party, it’s not too much to expect of him to invite you to his birthday party”. I wanted to emphasize that, because I didn’t want you to devalue yourself and think that he wasn’t obliged in any way, when in fact, under normal circumstances, people do reciprocate these kinds of invitations.

    He invited another guy from work (my close friend) and he doesn’t even remember his name, his memory is worst than any person I’ve met. Couldn’t even remember Y’s name after knowing her for three months, or a girl from work even though he had her Instagram,

    That’s pretty severe. To be honest, if he has such a poor memory, how come he can work at the hostel reception? To me, it sounds like a serious hindrance. Or he only suffers with remembering names but not other stuff?

    sorry for ayet another loong post. I’ve read that overexplaining is a trauma respons maybe that’s why I feel it important to give as many details as possible.

    No problem. It just occurred to me that it could be related to you having been gaslighted by your sister a lot, and maybe that’s why you feel the need to explain everything in detail. Because your reality was often denied, facts were twisted and you were made to believe something that wasn’t true at all. So I can see how overexplaining could be a way to counter that.

     

    #413710
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    They did ask me if i ever tried it. They are know ed party girls but they only took right before i left, when drunk they change their personality a bit.

    The not being invited is a wound a really need to attend to, because i still react quite strongly to it makes me really angry with him. Like i didn’t get friend zoned i got kicked out of the friend zone. And he keeps calling me by Nick name to me that’s what you do with friends, i mean after all he went five months without calling me anything and when he asked about me in the bar he used my full name. To me that’s like messing with my head. I hate myself for feeling this way. I wish i could just be over him by now this is too hard. I have been excluded soo many times it really hurts. And now seeing him talk so effordless with any woman at work, but not me. Like today he is joining the pretty girl and her two girlfriends who also work here for drinks and he was like yeah i will message you and it made me feel so sick(jaloux) she is so pretty and I don’t know if she likes him, definitly don’t feel like seeing with another person i know. Iwas doing so well where going to the bar on days that he was there drinking with some boys from work because I knew i would get anxious, was planned to do today but now I’m not since they are gonna drink together. I am so ashamed of myself, i should be proud of trying something outside my comfort zone (yoga session) but I didn’t expect it to be this hard and now i kinda regeret doing it. I feel like i don’t even wanna try and go out and meet someone else, i just had too much heart ache, maybe i am just suposed to just be alone.

     

    Yeah he nearly got fired back in August so it is making life hard on him. He has a lot of issues, he lost 4 kilos in just one week, the drinking sometimes gets High, anxiety, he’s moved out of his mother house and into my colleagues house and his ocd is so bad that my colleagues girlfriend (who also works) here is nervous about living with him.

     

    #413726
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Katrine,

    I am glad to hear that X and Y weren’t high the entire time during your New Year Eve’s get-together, and that you could enjoy their usual, friendly selves (not their “party selves”).

    And now seeing him talk so effordless with any woman at work, but not me.

    When he talks to other girls, he doesn’t forget their names (or other people’s names)? Does he have memory problems only when talking to you?

    Like i didn’t get friend zoned i got kicked out of the friend zone. And he keeps calling me by Nick name to me that’s what you do with friends, To me that’s like messing with my head.

    Well, I can actually understand why he has a hard time being friends and being totally cool and relaxed with you – since there-s more than just friendship there. He knows for sure that you like him, and maybe he likes you too or is confused about how he’s feeling. And so there might be more than friendship on his part too. So he cannot be friends when other vibes are involved too. That’s pretty common, in fact.

    he nearly got fired back in August so it is making life hard on him. He has a lot of issues, he lost 4 kilos in just one week, the drinking sometimes gets High, anxiety,

    You said he’s drinking and partying a lot, sometimes all day long, without getting any sleep, or getting only 2 hours of sleep. Perhaps that’s the reason he lost 4 kg in one week? Not some serious illness, but him living a messy, self-destructive life?

    Even if he’s suffering from anxiety and trauma, it doesn’t mean he needs to medicate himself with alcohol and drugs. That’s his choice, and this choice – to get regularly drunk and high – affects his mental health, as well as his capacity to love and be in a healthy relationship. He is ruining himself, making it harder for himself to get better and heal.

    You’re angry at him for not treating you properly, or for sending you mixed signals…. But he is so confused and erratic that he cannot treat you better in his current state of mind. He cannot even love himself and care about himself, not to mention care about how he treats other people. At least that’s how I see it.

    That’s why I think that you’re expecting too much of him. You’re expecting a decent behavior from someone who is so deeply troubled and confused. And then you take it a step further and conclude that it is YOU who is to blame:

    i should be proud of trying something outside my comfort zone (yoga session) but I didn’t expect it to be this hard and now i kinda regeret doing it. I feel like i don’t even wanna try and go out and meet someone else, i just had too much heart ache, maybe i am just suposed to just be alone.

    You’re making conclusions based on the failure with this troubled guy – someone who has a lot of issues and is unwilling to help himself. Frankly, you’ve chosen an impossible guy to love, and because he doesn’t reciprocate, you conclude that no one will, and that you might as well quit trying.

    Can you see how false that reasoning is? Instead of concluding that the guy has a problem, you conclude that you have a problem, and that you have no chance whatsoever of finding someone who could reciprocate your love. Which is so so far from  the truth. The truth is that this specific guy cannot reciprocate your love – but it doesn’t say anything about you, or other guys!

    Please, dear Katrine, don’t blame yourself for something which isn’t your fault! In recent times you’ve learned not to blame yourself, even if your sister is blaming you. Now try to expand that to this guy too: don’t blame yourself and don’t make false conclusions about yourself just because this guy isn’t returning your love. Rather, let go of him and start looking elsewhere!

    #413864
    Katrine Nielsen
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    It feels good to hear that I can be a bit of help too, Espicially with the amount of posts I have been making seeking help.

    #413867
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Katrine Nielsen:

    You are welcome to submit as many posts as you would like to submit, and at any length, as far as I am concerned. It is so very unfortunate for you (and I wish it wasn’t the case) that so many people in your life so far, have been significantly or severely mentally disturbed and disturbing, or unfortunate otherwise: one of your grandmothers (“My grandmother had a personally disorder“), your mother (She been on the edge for years.. My mom has untreated trauma“), your father (Both my parents had severe traumas in their earlier lives“), your sister (“She is brain damage and has been for 23 years… She was screaming from pain sometimes up to 20 hours a day… Her leaning to one side and having one leg shorter than the other was noticeable to outside family and the doctors.. she needed 4 disc removed  that they performed the surgery… The biggest issue is her being in a pain all the time. Extreme headaches and her vision is affected by it… She does have a lot of narcissistic tendencies“), Peers in school (“I was 12 to 15 years old. A group of boys were violent (one girl became hearing impaired in one ear)..the boys had some episodes of violence. One of them had their wrist slashed right in front of me“), your former boss (“I than had a two year apprentice with a boss who tics of every box of being a psychopath“), an adult friend (“The friend… also suffer from mental health problems due to childhood trauma (she’s diagnosed with BPD)“), and your love-interest (“He has a lot of issues, he lost 4 kilos in just one week, the drinking sometimes gets High, anxiety..  his ocd is so bad that my colleagues girlfriend (who also works) here is nervous about living with him“).

    You can’t change the family you were born to, neither can you change the people and events in your past, not any more than I can change these things in my life, but I sure hope that you meet healthier people (not perfectly healthy, of course, because such a thing does not exist), and that as a result, you will be able to have healthier relationships… and a boyfriend for the first time in your life: this will be exciting to read about, and exciting for you to experience, I am sure! I wish you healthier people and healthier relationships in this new year!

    anita

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