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  • #367582
    Anonymous
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    Dear Jenny:

    You are welcome. It is not a small thing to me, to be able to be of some help to you. And to read that you feel that you will never forget me throughout your life- that made me feel so special. Thank you, Jenny.

    “I now really wish he stops contacting”- I hope there is a way to successfully block him. But regardless, if you maintain your silence with him, that continuous and persistent silence will sound way louder to him than any words you ever said to him, and all the emotion you ever expressed to him.

    anita

    #368129
    jenny
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    How are you?

    I just felt like posting here today, a little disturbed since a few days.

    Mostly things are very good, work is very good, I am very happy in my personal life. I am just a little ashamed of my behavior a few days back, specially after being clear about silence and while I’m not obsessing the way I generally do, it’s like VR has lost that level of grip on me, yet it’s a little bothersome.

    So, the last time I posted telling that he had called and then dropped a message and I was furious about such provocative texts though In answered nothing. I have blocked his number, had done that long back but he keeps contacting from his friends’ numbers and I just don’t want go to the level of blocking every unknown number. So the very next day after that message, he again called, then again a few days later, then again another day and then 10 days ago, when I saw my phone after work (it was on silent), I had 36 calls from him, followed by a message that it’s important. So many calls did jolt me out that what happened but I stuck to my guns and didn’t respond at all, he called another 10-12 times, then he messaged that he is in my city, waiting for me at one of the places we would often visit together and would like to meet me. At this point he finally said  after a year of wishy-washy conduct that he would like to get back with me if I’m open to the idea. I again didn’t reply Anita, he called many more times and finally texted ‘As you wish, I will never bother you again’ and stopped. The next day though again he called, again Anita I didn’t respond to him. At this point he called a friend of mine who lives in the same city and asked her if she could make him talk to me. My friend, who is a darling and knows what I went through, spoke bitterly to him and asked him to never try to contact me. After that he didn’t call me. So this is all that happened.

    Now comes the part that I want to slap myself for. I was terribly low a couple of days back. I wasn’t well, despite that had to attend a very hectic day at work, was annoyed with a few people at work and when I finally decided to unwind with a movie suggested by a friend at night, the movie ended up being very emotional romantic movie. That day only my friend called to enquire about health and actually told me what exactly she’d told VR. She’d been justifiably rude to him. But all this together, just took me to a point where I couldn’t think clearly and just wanted  this VR thing to stop and I don’t know why, I texted VR telling him to just stop it once and for all. I texted him that the reply to his question about if I’m open to being with him again is a big No and that it is enough and he should stop, just stop contacting me from all these numbers. This was around 1 at night. he saw my message immediately and in a while, sent me a picture of him, wearing a T-shirt that I’d last gifted him. I was furious Anita, at myself, I immediately regretted texting him and also at him, that what am I talking about and what is he replying with, I just let it be, didn’t reply and went to sleep. I woke up 2 hours later with a bad headache and I was so angry about everything that I just replied to him. I replied that I am very disappointed with the way he behaved ever since we broke up and that there could have been a more respectful way to end what was a long relationship. I finally ended by saying that I hope now at least he’ll stop all the random texts and calls from all these unknown numbers and just let me be. He saw the message the next day and thankfully didn’t reply.

    I am so ashamed Anita. Why did I reply. Why did  I text? And I can’t help but fall back into thinking that he must be thinking of me as some weak girl that he still can annoy. I feel as if I lost after all this hard work. I know I am worthy of goodness and I am moving towards it but I can’t help thinking that I just screwed up. My friend said that I just showed him with these medium sized paragraphs that I sent to him that I still care. It feels as if all my hard work in being away from him and not even engaging has gone to waste. Then I think, I am overthinking, I haven’t done anything wrong, I told him not to contact, not that I was wanting to talk to him, I was frustrated with his continued presence and just wanted him out. Maybe it’s just my friend getting in my head.

    I feel like shit Anita. I am so sorry, I even let you down. You helped me so much and I felt so much better but now I feel like a loser.

    – Jenny

    #368130
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I only read the last two lines of your recent post- I am sorry you are feeling badly, no need to apologize for feeling badly, there is no wrong doing in how we feel. You didn’t let me down because of how you feel.

    I will read your recent post thoroughly and reply when I am back to the computer, in about 16-20 hours from now.

    anita

    #368146
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I am fine, thank you. Good to read that mostly, “things are very good, work is very good”. You shared that you are “just a little ashamed” of your behavior a few days back: VR called you again, and again.. from different numbers, 36 calls, then another 10-12 times. He messaged you at one point that he was in your city, waiting for you to meet him “at one of the places we would often visit together”, and added that “he would like to get back with me if I’m open to the idea”. Through all this you did not reply to him and kept your dignified silence, which we discussed.

    Next, he texted you, “As you wish, I will never bother you again”. Then he… called you again the next day, and he called a friend of yours asking her if she could make him talk to you. The friend asked him to never contact you.

    Some time later, you had a hectic, difficult day at work, watched a romantic movie, that friend called you, and next, you texted VR at 1 am,  telling him to just stop it once and for all, to stop contacting you, and you answered his question about getting back together with “a big No”. Next, he sent you a photo of him wearing a shirt you gifted him in the past. Next, you slept for a couple of hours, then woke up with a bad headache and replied to him again, that you are “very disappointed with the way he behaved ever since we broke up and that there could have been a more respectful way to end what was a long relationship”, and that “now at least he’ll stop all the random texts and calls from all these unknown numbers and just let me be”. He did not reply to that recent message.

    You wrote: “I am so ashamed Anita. Why did I reply. Why did I text?.. I can’t help thinking that I just screwed up.. as if all my hard work in being away from him and not even engaging has gone to waste”.

    My thoughts today: there is something very wrong with this man. He is not well. I think that you should contact the police and file a complaint against him for calling you from multiple unknown numbers against your wishes, after you clearly told him to not contact you again. I think that this matter should move from a personal issue to a legal issue. There should be a legal order by the courts to keep him from contacting you.

    Like you wrote, you had a bad day at work, he’s been calling you dozens of times.. you broke down under the pressure. Take any and all record you have of his recent calls, including a record of you telling him to not call/ contact you ever again and go to the police/ the court. Make it strictly a legal matter.

    anita

    #368200
    jenny
    Participant

    You’re right Anita. I don’t have any evidence on my phone right now as I delete all his calls and texts to just not have to see them but I’ll get my call logs and records out, I’ll arrange for those and definitely keep any record of any further communication with him (I hope not) and take it to legal institutions.

    I’ve been reading these days Anita, about OCD, about having constant self-doubt etc and it’s helping. I’m not able to take out much time now as work has resumed but I’m making little progress. I’d just read in one another thread here about you advising the person concerned to consider her thread as a journal and say what she wants to let out, so this post is mainly about that, just a rant. I’ll understand if you don’t address it, I realise I am going in circles and still obsessing to a degree ( tho I’d want to pat my back and say, less frequently) but at the cost of sounding irritating, I’ll just say it.

    I’m just so disappointed Anita, in him, in the relationship. It all seems like a joke, I can’t even believe now that the man who said such big lofty things to me and a relation that I thought (wrongly, obviously) was so beautiful has turned to this. Leaving is a choice, yes, but isn’t there a way to do it? It’s been a year to the breakup and his constant calls but not once, not once Anita has he apologised for leaving me crying, not once has it been a genuine apology. The most he got to saying just once was ‘I never wanted to hurt you’. That’s all. He calls me and the few times I answered he actually had the audacity to call me mean and selfish and childish and stupid for not chasing after him, for not bothering to contact him after he left me high and dry for the umpteenth time. He literally taunted me that ‘thank you for showing me what you truly are’. I mean seriously? Does he seriously not see it or is he just one massively manipulative man! He seriously has the audacity to again turn it around on me.
    And what is all this? Anita he’s sent random urgent messages, he’s made up stories, could he just not have been direct with whatever he had to say, what is this childish conduct. Is this a joke? 1 year gone and he cannot say things without hiding behind excuses. Just write a goddam text saying what you actually have to or call me and just say what you genuinely want calling me like this again and again. But No, None of that. He’ll keep dragging and running in circles. It all seems like a joke. I don’t even know know how to look back at my relationship.
    And the worst thing, god this drives me mad. Whenever, I have replied to him, like the last time or a few times previously, there is no acknowledgement of my texts. I’ll be saying something and he’ll reply with something else only, not even addressing what I have said. It seems as if he thinks I am some barking dog whose messages don’t need to be addressed. Take the last message, I said what I felt, I said he can’t come and go, I said that my answer is a big No and instead of saying anything anything about it or even acknowledging it, or being silent, he is sending me a totally unrelated picture, as if what I said doesn’t even matter. It’s like he just wants a reply from me, the content of which doesn’t matter. What is that! When you are hell-bent on talking to me, why not talk when I am responding to you. If I imagine myself in his place and I am so desperate to talk to a person, I would take any opportunity that they reply to me to engage in meaningful conversation with them. What the hell is this man doing! Is this a joke? You keep calling me, then when I text you and say something, instead of understanding it you just are on our own trip. I mean, if the first time I’d texted that don’t contact me etc, months ago, if instead of just replying random stuff and keeping on calling, if he’d replied to it and said whatever, asked me why I don’t want him to contact, or said that he understands and is willing to give me time, or anything, just any human worthy reply, I would have felt some at least some respect for him as an ex-bf.

    I meant what I wrote in the last text. Could he not have been direct, could he not have been respectful, did the relation not even deserve that! How can anyone be like this! You know why I sometimes think that maybe I was wrong, because I just cannot fathom how can someone be so twisted, nothing makes sense, there is no logical flow to his conduct. He’ll madly keep contacting and then reply nonchalantly when I finally reply.

    I mean why, why could you not have just written to me what you feel, what you want and done it respectfully, instead of calling like this and talking wishy washy. Till date, I do not know, what this man really wants.

    It seems as if it’s just one joke to him, or just that he wants me to fall back into speaking to him without much effort and without any accountability on his part. How big an ego do you need to be such. I wasn’t perfect, far from it, I realised with your help that my argumentativeness was wrong but I genuinely loved him and I am so disappointed with his behaviour. I don’t even know what my entire past relation meant. The man I thought knew in the beginning versus the man he became in the end verses the man he looks like now, they are all so different and confusing. Ughh.
    I just want him to stop. Just stop. Just stop contacting me if this is what you are. Let there at least remain one tiny thread of mutual respect. Let there be silence.

    – Jenny

    #368213
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I’ll be back to your thread, read and reply to you in about 9 hours from now.

    anita

    #368228
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I will need more time before I am back to your thread- be back in a couple of hours or so.

    anita

    #368230
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I am back earlier than expected and feel comfortable to post a short post for you after reading that you mostly wanted to rant (which you are welcomed to do). I read some of your ranting, and reads to me that your childhood hurt, anger.. injustice keep circulating in your brain (aka OCD) in the context of this man.

    I am glad to read that you will be keeping a record of his communication with you and prepare to use it legally if you need to.

    anita

    #371169
    jenny
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    How are you? I just felt like talking.

    Honestly, I read a few recent threads on the site. There are people out there with such substantial challenges that I’m feeling pretty embarrassed talking about my almost no-problem problem, but I guess, if there’s some place that I can talk about it, it is here, so.

    Honestly, I am so happy, so happy Anita in my life currently. After I think years, I am at a place where my personal professional life both are going well and are balanced. Thank You again, your inputs helped a lot in lending me mental clarity that is now benefitting every area of my life.
    There are just small little things, nothing major.

    Firstly, I couldn’t take legal measures against him Anita. He did contact again and I have this time kept a record of it all if I need but I just couldn’t go through with taking legal or some restraining action against him. Maybe it’s just residual feeling or something like that. Plus, since all in all, I am happier, it’s bothering me lesser with every passing day. But I still am keeping all records so that if I again feel a need to, I can take legal action asap.

    So what happened was, after his visit to my city and my friend telling him off etc etc, he still contacted around once weekly or so. Then one day, I was like let me just hear him out. Maybe then he’ll stop. I answered and told him that stop beating around the bush and say whatever you have to say. He said a lot Anita, I mean a lot, he said how he screwed up with me, how his life has been a mess after me, told me that he feels no joy, he is constantly confused, it genuinely seemed as if he’s mentally struggling, how he’s tried talking to so many girls but he just can’t see them as anything more, that he still can’t accept that we aren’t together, that his leaving was just a result of his discontentment and frustration from his own life etc etc. He broke down in places, literally begged for me back, asked if there’s even the smallest of chance that we might be together etc etc. I heard him out Anita and then told him that there is none. I told him that my trust in him is broken, that everyone deserves consistent and respectful love, told him that life will always have frustrations, and that if his way of dealing with it is to drop the relationship then I cannot ever see a future with him again. he was really persistent, he kept saying that I will change, I am working on myself but when I was firm in my negation, at a point he lost it and almost lashed out at me but then stopped. That was my cue to know he hasn’t really changed, he might be sorry, he might want to, but as of now, he hasn’t. And I deserve better. After that I told him to just stop all this and hung up.

    I cannot thank you enough for asking me to look up OCD. After talking to you, I became more conscious of my thought processes and made concerted efforts to stop overthinking and it is so much better. I don’t really obsess about him to that level anymore. I don’t obsess about anything that much anymore and I hope it’ll further reduce with effort. There are some thoughts though, loose ended thoughts that like I sometimes wonder. I know they are redundant, there are of no relevance to my life but sometimes I wonder.

    – Is it possible that he’ll never change? I had at least thought that there’ll be some change in him but I could see that as much as he tried hiding it, he was the same. Maybe I don’t understand people that well. I’d always believed we all change, I’d counter anyone who talked about our ‘basic nature and signature never changing’ and thought that even the most callous of partners must become serious after marriage maybe? I mean how can anyone stay rude and selfish forever, isn’t companionship needed to everyone and how can someone get that with such selfishness. Now that I am past much of the bitterness I feel a little sorry when I feel that he will never change when he could be so much more and sometimes just think in circles.

    – Is genuine lingering-for-long human regret even possible? I mean he kept saying I regret this, regret that, biggest mistake of my life etc etc and sometimes I feel it’s all hogwash.

    Anyhow, I think I was just in a thinking mode today and felt like asking. I just think that when now I ever think about the relation, I can’t even understand what it was, I mean I can’t understand how can he be so selfish but then again come back and pursue for like more than a year now as if he loves me too much, so I think that is where these thoughts come from.

    Again, thank you so much Anita, for all your help when I needed it. I am pretty sure I would have been as miserably stuck as I was couple months ago had it not been for this platform.

    Love,

    Jenny.

    #371175
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    Good to have you here again. I am looking forward t read your recent post and reply in about 15 hours from now.

    anita

    #371246
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    I am fine, thank you. And you are welcome.

    “my almost no-problem problem”- being troubled with self-doubt as often as you have been, in every context, not just regarding this man, having had a troubled relationship with a man for years, and still obsessing about him for so long- these is not a no-problem: it is a problem.

    “There are just small little things, nothing major”- you are minimizing the things/ problems that trouble you, prefacing what you are about to share about a problem with trying to soothe the listener (me, in this case) with something like: don’t worry about me, I am okay, it’s not a big deal, other people’s problems are real, mind is.. not really a problem. It’s a no-problem.

    But it is a problem, and better attend to the problem, or problems, with the serious attitude the problems call for.

    “he said how he screwed up with me, how his life has been a mess after me… etc. etc… literally begged for me back.. I .. told him there is none.. that my trust in him is broken”, he then persisted and when you insisted that the relationship is over, he “almost lashed out” at you. Next, you told him to “just stop all this and hung up”.

    You then wrote that you don’t obsess about him or “about anything that much anymore”.. but you still obsess: “Is it possible that he’ll never change? .. even the most callous of partners must become serious after marriage maybe? I mean how can anyone stay rude and selfish forever… how can he be so selfish but then again come back and pursue for like more than a year now as if he loves me too much”-

    – you are holding on to the idea that he loves you after all, and that the relationship with him was your personal Fairytale, one that should/ must be comparable to your parents’ Fairytale.

    You wrote back in September about your Fairytale (it being what I refer to as your Fairytale): “a part of me wants to carry it in my heart, wants to hold it special.. I don’t WANT to.. let it go”.

    About your parents’ Fairytale “they (parents) have one of the most beautiful relationships that I have ever seen.. childhood sweethearts, each other’s first..”, and your own Fairytale:  “When I got together with R, I was 21, it was my first emotional and physical love and I remember telling him that he is my own fairytale.. one of the reasons why I.. am obsessed with not letting it go is because I feel like my fairytale is slipping away”.

    Jenny, it seems to me that for you to let go of your incorrect perception of a personal Fairytale with this man is to let go of your incorrect perception of your parents’ Fairytale: their relationship and marriage WAS NOT and IS NOT a Fairytale.

    For as long as you hold on to an incorrect perception of the reality of your parents’ marriage, you will also hold to the incorrect perception of your relationship with this man.

    “My parents also had few fights, a couple of them did become pretty nasty… The nasty fights .. were mostly about mom being upset about something and talking about it for maybe 2-3 days”-

    – having learned about your tendency to minimize, I am guessing that there were many more than just a few fights, and more than a couple nasty fights.

    * Your father did not participate in the fights: your mother did all the fighting by herself. He was submissive (“doesn’t have an opinion of his own and will just say what mom says”).

    You wrote back in September about what happens when “a close one dies”, “some of us mourn and learn to move on.. while some of us mourn and then get on with life but always carry them and remember then almost daily, as if keeping them alive within.. I think I’m the second kind of mourner”-

    – I hope the Fairytale dies in your mind. In reality, if it ever lived in the beginning of your parents’ relationship- it died long ago, way before you were born, I am guessing. Mourn its death, and your own Fairytale, one that brought you lots of misery and self-doubt- it will die as well.

    anita

    #371318
    jenny
    Participant

    Okay, you got me. I have indeed been minimising Anita because honestly, I am embarrassed. I don’t share these thoughts with anyone in person because I know these thoughts are useless, obsessive and I don’t like anyone I know seeing me as the girl ‘who’s still even thinking about the man who ill-treated her so much’, but I am that person. With you, I am less embarrassed because of the comfort of anonymity the platform provides and seeing so many other people having problems but still, I just don’t like seeing myself like this nagging, irritating person that needs to be repeatedly told something like a child and is asking questions that are nonsensical to say the least. So yeah, on point about that one.

    I don’t want him anymore Anita. And I swear this is honest truth. He’s come back so many times now in the past one year, he’s done everything that I used to want when he initially left, but I just don’t want him anymore, because now I can see the little things that I couldn’t earlier. I can see that he ‘almost lashed out’ at me in the last call, could see that he has been calling me despite my telling him that I don’t want to talk so he is totally again negating what I want and just doing what he wants. Seeing all this, I just can’t unseen them and I Think I have made one step ahead of where I was 3 months ago when I first reached out here, I now want to let go, I have in fact let go a future with him, I don’t want it anymore not because I don’t have any feelings left but because now I can see this man cannot is not right for me. I loved a man who is not the best/good partner for me and I can’t go back to that now, knowing that.

    So that part, honestly, is behind me.

    But, what is still there is an interest in figuring the relation and him out. I don’t know why, like honestly I don’t know why. Maybe I want a validation that it meant something to him, that he won’t find another like me, I don’t know what, but I will admit that there is an interest in understanding the why(s) and how(s) of his thoughts and conduct towards me. It’s like I want answers to what happened in my relationship. I want to know is he a very complicated man and loved me but is really complex and can’t see beyond himself or is just a plain asshole who played with my emotions. Either ways, its over and I cannot have a happy life with him but knowing which one was it makes a difference to me, and I don’t know why, but it does, so I have questions. I did ask him in the last conversation we had and he gave me answers but they seemed to be coming from a place of him wanting me back, seemed less genuine. I just need someone to tell me what just happened in my relationship. Maybe I shouldn’t bother, I know I shouldn’t bother I don’t know. Like take my mother, after you told me stuff about my parents, I talked to my mom, I talked to dad, I told them what I felt, she told me what she felt, what he felt, they apologised for what each of them did and explained where they were coming from and understood that it affected me and it helped me close that chapter and I am able to look at my relation with them from a renewed place and I know now what actually happened between us, why my mom said what she said, why my dad didn’t stand up for me, it helped me see them as humans who made mistakes like we all do and as people who love me but had their own psychological issues that they projected onto me. It helped me close that.

    With him, what I am not able to do is close it, because I don’t know what happened, so these questions rotate in my head and I want answers. Maybe as you said earlier, these questions will lead to new questions and its an unending pit but I don’t know how can I close this with a clear head until I have it sorted and then left behind. I think I just need answers to know what it was and what he indeed felt for me and why he did or is doing what he did/is doing. I think that’s that.

    Now, please tell me, what do I do? Should I ask you the questions or is there some other way that’ll help me close this?

    Love,

    Jenny.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by jenny.
    #371341
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Jenny:

    “I talked to my mom, I talked to my dad.. they apologised.. and it helped me close that chapter and I am able to look at my relation with them from a renewed place and I know now what actually happened between us, why my mom said what she said, why my dad didn’t stand up for me, it helped me see them as humans who made mistakes like we all do and as people who love me but had their own psychological issues that they projected onto me. It helped me close that”-

    – you present a very fast, smooth and neat closing of decades-old relationships that you witnessed and experienced during your most sensitive years/ those formative years of childhood-  and onward: (1) the one between your parents, (2) the one between you and your father, (3) the one between you and your mother. You understand the why(s) and how(s), all is understood, resolved and left behind, clarity achieved, and door is closed.

    “what is still there is an interest in figuring the relation and him out… an interest in understanding the why(s) and how (s) of his thoughts and conduct towards me.. what happened.. I don’t know what happened… how can I close this with a clear head until I have it sorted and then left behind”.

    “Now, please tell me, what do I do? Should I ask you the questions or is there some other way that’ll help me close this?”-

    – my understanding: you closed the door on examining your childhood experience way too soon. Too much is left unexamined, misunderstood and unresolved. And all the questions you do not ask about your childhood experience with your parents, you ask in regard to this way less significant and involved relationship with this man.

    Basically what I hear you asking in regard to this man is: did he love Jenny?

    You closed the door on your childhood experience with the convenient and much desired answer: that your parents love you (“people who love me”). But deep inside, you doubt that they loved you then and now, and/ or that they loved each other. But you don’t want to ask these love- questions in the context of your parents, it feels to threatening.

    Way less threatening is to ask if this man loved you then, or loves you still. No answer or analysis of his love/ lack of love for you can satisfy you because your questions are not about his love for you, but about your parents love for each other and for you.

    My suggestion: open the door to your childhood experience and examine it in the context of quality psychotherapy.

    anita

     

    #371657
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Merry Christmas, Jenny!

    anita

    #371773
    jenny
    Participant

    I am late but, a very Merry Christmas to you too, Anita.
    I wish in the coming year, all the positivity you spread here comes back to you in bigger and brighter ways!

    Love,
    Jenny

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