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  • #53605
    Matt
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    Gavin,

    Namaste, I hear your view, and will do my best. Consider that perhaps you’ve fallen into spiritual materialism, or the wrong view that places happiness as the goal. Where others turn to trinkets or toys or sense pleasures, perhaps you turn toward the cushion. Fill up with some happy juice internally, then try to figure out how to connect, what to say, what to do and so forth. This is worth untangling, and connects with the romance question.

    In the loving moments, perhaps when you see couples out there dancing, you have no expectations or fears. So, resting, peaceful, you empathize compassionately. There is plenty of space, your pallet is fresh, so it remains vibrant, beautiful. When you’re three inches from kissing a person, there is fear, uncertainty, or attachments to previous failed romances. Those slide in between you and your exeriences and there is an instinctive “pulling back”, like when the eyes constrict to protect from too much light. The result is it “looks pale” or “tastelessness”.

    Back to the spiritual materialism… consider that wanting to be happy, finding happiness is actually a byproduct of a much more important, relevant practice. When we practice happiness cultivation, the intention is to increase the spaciousness of mind, through concentration. This is what let’s us part through the chaos with inner stability, trust. This upgrades happiness (transient, fading) into joyousness (peaceful buoyancy alongside emotions) as we can accept that emotions come and fade, illusion comes and fades, and here we remain, breathing, perceiving, content, stable. Said differently, materialistic happiness (spiritual or otherwise) always fades with the sunset. Genuine joy is the warmth that remains inside us whether the mind is silent and open, or noisy and compressed. As we move from happiness cultivation into joy cultivation, space cultivation, those fears and old attachments blossom without all the mental rumination. Perhaps the first kiss is scary, but that fear meets the space and settles, but the kiss feels awkward, which also meets the space. The second kiss is less scary, meets even more space, and is gone. The third kiss sparkles more, fourth kiss and we get in the groove… etc. Whatever dissonance arises in the first kisses meet the space, and we adapt simply, peacefully.

    Happiness in this “dharmic glide” is a byproduct, certainly helps, but when sorrow arises, it doesn’t slide into rumination and afflictive emotional cycles because of the space, which doesn’t usually grow alongside the “sparkle hopping” in materialistic intentions… we’re too busy looking for more jewels or avoiding stuff that threatens the ones we have. Wisdom, fancy cars, philosophic rhetoric, big houses… we grab, cling, defend, seek. Where’s the love?

    Love is another byproduct of the space. Said differently, love naturally arises inside us when we co-resonate with our environment. When we’re not distracted by ourselves, when the space is open and we rest, waiting, patient… we take in our surroundings, see the stories around us, and empathize, feel compassion. Some describe compassion as “co-suffering” or that co-resonance that we feel when we let ourselves attend what’s around us. Placing the past and the future aside, to bring our concentration to the moment. And then, we’re free. We can get up, look around at what’s there and make some choices. The better we get at making choices (consider, aim for compassion as a general rule of thumb), the less clouds roll in. Space in, space out as it were.

    Finally, creating a scale of enlightenment is part silly, part dumb. Consider that there is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. For instance, I know many Christians that wouldn’t know impermanence or describe the eight fold path, but their beliefs guide them toward loving like Jesus, which is very compassionate, sacred. In terms of the helpful and kind actions that get visited upon the downtrodden, christian churches are right there, offering help to those in need. In some ways, their path to love is simpler. For those of us who peer behind the curtain… we have to find a path of balance that makes more sense than some ancient stories and fables. Both paths are full of bumbling and stumbling, as you, me, they, we look outside and inside and upside and whichways for love. The lucky ones wake up, look around, stop feeling like they’ve been grown, and start tending the garden. 🙂

    Whew, sorry if that misaims or dives a little deep, but your mind seems strong, and in need. Namaste, brother, may your space grow outward.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #53608
    cherrymom
    Participant

    Just had to pop in and say… awesome thread 🙂 Loved reading it.

    #53618
    Gavin
    Participant

    I think you’re ultimately on the right track Stripes.. This is my course of action for certain, although achieving a good sense of internal happiness as a means to keeping heart and soul afloat has afforded me the distance for reflection, away from my repetitively hurtful self and put me in a place where I can enjoy some tranquil space to tackle these deeper issues. In the end there’s no getting away from my need to change my shy habit, though to be fair on myself a bit more I suppose I’m not as bad as I used to be. Being centred and in the moment does afford some freedom from the shyness by simply making me more aware that the person opposite is just like me – flawed, feeling, human. Plus, having reduced my anxiety by being more concerned about the present moment and less with worries and hang-ups about things that are in my head and not the reality of a situation, it helps still further in overcoming any blocks which I might otherwise conjure up! I have gone through numerous texts in an effort to better understand these things, though the doing bit is coming to me more these days. I have had a couple of setbacks lately but I seem to be pressing on regardless, even if it just means me putting my heart on hiatus for a while.

    #53619
    Gavin
    Participant

    Hehe thanks Cherrymom! I hope your world is less chaotic! 🙂

    #53624
    The Ruminant
    Participant

    Matt,

    Thank you for writing that. Though I admittedly probably need to read some parts again, I wholeheartedly agree with the message. I personally can not follow any particular religious path, as my own personality requires learning through observing: take in information, process it, disregard some of it, maintain some of it, later perhaps change position along with personal experiences. Yet, I too have arrived at the same conclusions about joy and I absolutely adore your description of it (“peaceful buoyancy alongside emotions”)!

    I may be spiritual, but that’s not all I am. I’m also very much flesh and blood (and hormones and desires and needs). It is very tempting to dismiss the latter part, and think of it as something crude and animalistic. The ego wants to be something bigger and better than that: free from all desire and in total control. And so things go awry, when there is no compassion and acceptance for the “darker side” of being human.

    Sorry, that was pretty much me starting to ponder about things out loud and getting a bit sidetracked 🙂 Carry on!

    #53625
    Gavin
    Participant

    Thanks for your further insights Matt. I think I’ve turned to something in all three facets of material, sense and cushion that you mention! In terms of the aspects of romance, I’d say the overriding negative feeling I get is simply one of a certain envy (which I think many of us struggle with) for the people I see in relationships, and I do all I can to examine and neutralise such feelings with reflections and perceptions of various moral value – that maybe any one particular woman I encounter just wouldn’t be right for me, that it’s just not the right time for me, and even perhaps with a more tragic feeling that many of these couples around me have likely entered into their relationship by chasing happiness and dragging their material wealth around them. On balance I’ll also say that I do rest compassionately at other times and cultivate warm feelings too, with hopes that they might have found something good and lasting, or at least that they’re experiencing exactly what they need right now in the present moment. This does have the downside of making me question why the universe isn’t being so benign with me – I feel as though I’ve spent enough time trapped in repeating patterns and solitude, but if I had to guess it’s that I’m having to go through this rumination before reaching a definitive path of progress (!?). I can certainly remember the wonderful feelings which I think we all crave in such union, and the anxiety I do get is definitely a fear that this is something which will elude me for the rest of my life since I seem to have inadvertently disconnected myself from real heart contact with others by becoming too mindfully composed (the “cushion” I suspect you allude to). I know this is likely just an illusion of anxiety, but it certainly feels like a fatalistic truth at the moment.

    I think I’m a little lost with respect to what you talk about when you mention cultivating spaciousness behind the practice of happiness, unless your intent is simply to convey the act of creating a zone of mindfulness, to absorb and reflect peacefully upon the up’s and down’s as they move through our moment-by-moment living experience? For certain maintaining a joyous state is a tough one, though I have to admit that I think it is not unknown to me.. just a bit fleeting. As I think about this I suspect my anxieties are too strong for me to live in a perpetual state of joy – I don’t think I’m made of quite such strong stuff, but they do seem to be at least manageable, if transiently painful. In a way I think I might fear being in a perpetually joyful state if I’m already struggling with feeling disconnected! This experience of joy I get is certainly present and most obvious and powerful to me when I’m surrounded by nature. A good walk through the local woods into the city or any green space does me no end of good and I generally feel very lifted by this. Perhaps I’m focused too much on trying to feel happiness and not enough on just moving through life – maybe I’ve gone too far into feeling and lost my motivation and enthusiasm because I’ve overloaded myself (again)? I’m not sure I can even quantify all such implications properly, but I do feel worn out. Maybe I just need to take some time out, pace myself and trust that things will settle down soon? One thing we can agree on is that I have a mind in need of some help with all this, but with the exception of anyone here I have no one else who I can dip into these matters with – I get the old “pull yourself together” shallowness.. With that thought Matt, many thanks indeed to everyone who is commenting here as well as to your good self. It’s all appreciated.

    #53626
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks Everyone.

    HI Gavin

    Interesting insights shared by all. Pls forgive me if I am barking up the wrong tree but one thing stands out in your responses – you seem to be craving for an authentic and loving relationship, which will fulfil you. If my observation resonates with you then can I ask a question – what is stopping you from achieving that ?

    I dont follow any particular religion or faith but have learnt from my spiritual teachers and my own experiences that without love in life (any relationship, which fulfils your soul) , self-realisation is impossible and even if you reach a state close to it, it will not be meaningful. Some form of emptiness or disinterest in worldy activities will remain without that fulfilment. This is not true bliss or contentment with life.

    It is quite easy to find love even if you are an introvert. Just send out a request to the Universe that you are looking for a loving and authentic soul, who will bring even more bliss in your life. Have faith in this and see the magic take place. You dont have to do anything else. This may sound quite kiddish but do try it if thats what your looking for. We have immense power and we can create our own destinies as long as we fill our heart with love and not pain of any sort. Negative emotions create negative vibrations and whatever you have create at an universal consciousness level disappears quickly.

    Sending you heaps of love and hope you find whatever your heart is seeking soon so that you can reinvent your creativity and bring more beauty into this world.

    Jasmine

    #53629
    Gavin
    Participant

    Aww thanks Jasmine.. that’s sweet and insightful! hehe.. I think I’m looking for someone to go through life with, not as a means to completing me in the obvious sense, but as someone I can be with whose presence, life and love will fill the holes which just can’t be met even as a single person with inner happiness.

    So what IS stopping me? Well, love just refuses to be found, so you have to stop looking in the literal sense (although you obviously keep the door of possibility open). As I think about it my main problem seems to be either a lack of basic attraction, or I keep encountering women who are even more shy than me! Maybe I just can’t read body language, but something just doesn’t seem to sit right with a lot of women I do meet (which aren’t many at all), but then it always has seemed like that.. lol. My efforts to cultivate internal happiness has left me able to summon joy in the small things in life (I’m often spotting things which make me smile, but which others seem to take for granted), but to my disappointment I’m feeling disassociated with people. I would say this is in part a reflection upon how I feel about the dismal state of society at present, with its obsession for wealth accumulation, celebrity and surface detail, coupled with this bizarre and sheer lack of motivation I’m feeling at present in my life, both of which are making cultivating friendships difficult. I suppose the few friends I have maintained over my life have also settled into family and vanished into their respective responsibilities – a shame but I don’t harbour any ill feeling towards them for that. How could I? That would be pretty selfish.

    #53631
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Hi Gavin

    Thanks.

    From what I am sensing, there appears to be a discrepancy in your thoughts, feelings and actions. A single person with inner happiness in true sense should not crave for another person to fill up the holes that are left behind by single hood. You need to be true with your feelings. You may have unfulfilled needs and until you fulfil them, you will feel empty and keep searching for answers. I agree that no one can give you inner happiness except for self but to reach that state requires us to have our thoughts, feelings and actions aligned. When you are the same internally or externally, everything flows as how you want it to be. Perhaps, a little more reflection in this area may help.

    I agree that there is a fair degree of unfairness and materialism in this world at the present moment. However, there is a lot of beauty and love as well. It is a matter of one’s perception. It is much easier to see the beauty and lead a fulfilling life when our innate desires are taken care of. In your case, I sense, you need that one soul to add bliss to your life. You are complete as Gavin but that other soul will be an icing on the cake 🙂

    From my personal experience, I can assure you that you will find that someone special. While Universe is processing your request, why don’t you work on aligning your thoughts, feelings and actions. This also means that you need to accept Gavin as he is – either good looking or not good looking but that’s you. There is only one Gavin in this world and you are unique. I strongly believe that we have all been put on this planet to give and receive love from self and others. My spiritual teacher told me once: if you help others get what they innately desire, you will receive whatever you want from the universe. And it has always come true. When we have faith in the universal power to do what’s the best for us today and for our highest good, we will never be let down. Our ego / logic mind creates all the unnecessary havoc.

    Go and pls send your request to the Universe with the most loving and true intention. When you find that lovely soul who brings more bliss into your life, do let us know.

    Cheers

    J

    #53632
    Gavin
    Participant

    Hi Jasmine,

    Yes, a soul to act as the icing on the cake is it in a nutshell! (sounds like a walnut cake to me.. lol). I am essentially happy within my own self (I suspect it was how I chose to describe it that let me down there.. hehe), though as you rightly observe there is still much I can be doing anyway to reinforce and cultivate this, not least of all the main problem of deeply recognising my authentic self. Essentially the big gap within me now is my lack of life motivation and direction. I’m simply coming up short when I seek an answer to what my true alignment is. For all my life it has been creativity – drawing, music, writing.. yet these days I have little interest in picking up any of it. I dropped it all a few months ago and thought the urge was returning quite recently, but it really seems that I simply feel no living stamina or passion for it anymore, which leads me to question what my true heart’s motivation really is. I don’t think I know anymore, which is a little worrying at my age (42), or maybe I just need to find a good reason to pick it all up again (!?), though forcing creativity rarely works or results in anything other than a lacklustre effort. It’s compounded by really not enjoying my day job either, which realistically should be the same as my desires, but I’m sure you can appreciate that the creative jobs are all but non-existent and/or oversubscribed. Either way the fact that I’m not happy at work but woefully underskilled on paper just adds to the sense of malaise that I’m feeling even whilst trying to gain any traction in my search.

    I will be sure to let people know if/when I find her though! rest assured.. hehe

    Peace *^^*

    #53647
    Kelly
    Participant

    I’m listening to “The Art of Happiness at Work” on audiobook to and from my job each day. I’ve long heard that our jobs should align with our “passions”, similar to what you’re saying. However, I think that puts a lot of pressure on a person where work in his desired field may not be available or feasible from a financial standpoint. I personally work to live and don’t live to work, so I’ve let go of that pressure and just accept that while I may not LOVE what I do, it gives me the ability to enjoy my hobbies and interests outside of my 9-5. The Dalai Lama seems to be on board with that, too. I think there are ways we can enjoy our day jobs even if they’re not what we said we wanted to be when we grow up.

    #53650
    Kelly
    Participant

    Will the Universe respond by sending a cute pizza delivery man to my house as I’m binge watching Netflix? 😉

    #53651
    Gavin
    Participant

    This is true.. Incidentally I have the book written before it, called “The Art Of Happiness” on my bookshelf.. A good read! 🙂 I think it helps if your work aligns with your passion, but I agree that if it’s a means to an end and you “work to live” (which I think most people do) then it doesn’t necessarily absorb you as a person.

    #53652
    Gavin
    Participant

    I’m not sure that will unfold.. but you never know I suppose, so wish away! 🙂

    #53654
    cherrymom
    Participant

    LOL thank you. It’s getting there. Everything is one day at a time for all of us. At least we are all self aware and on the right path.

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