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  • #124267
    LookingForFriends
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    I love this site and read every article daily.

    I’m stuck in a unique way. I feel like I’ve never had a true friendship, and thus am not sure I can work on the skill of finding a friend if I’ve never had one. Most stories I read are of people who are currently lonely, but were able to make friends at some point in their life.

    I am now divorced and am a male. I never enjoyed the same things that men do (hunting, poker, yada, yada). I am diagnosed with depression and generalized anxiety disorder, I’m on medication, and seeing a therapist. I run daily for exercise. I hate myself. Therapy has not worked. I am physically alone in my apartment, especially when I do not have my three beautiful children with me.

    I have free movie passes from a Christmas gift, but cannot think of one person to bring to the movies. I don’t know where to go to connect with other people. I know I can go to groups with similar interests. The problem is, I always leave those groups hating myself more, because I have not made any connections, and I don’t understand as much as I thought I knew about my “passion.” I don’t have much money due to the divorce and think that this is also required to have a friendship. I’ve dated three girls after marriage, and each ended before a year’s time…they could not handle my depression. I can’t handle it either.

    I’ve created a list of new habits that I want to implement in my life. Although my parents see me as being “lighter” than normal because of these new habits (i.e. that I don’t have a dark cloud over my head)…these habits have not gained me one friend.

    I want to read and implement 365 Tiny Love Challenges, and want to implement the recommended challenges to my list of good habits I’m trying to implement, including: breathwork, running daily, strength training twice weekly, prayer, reading more about my career for an hour a day.

    I definitely do not like myself, have no self-confidence, and have no faith or trust in my abilities. But, I feel that may be a result of having no friends…and having no friends leads me to no self-confidence…and thus this circle keeps spiraling out of control.

    I don’t know how to be normal and I feel like I have this enormous sign over my head that says “stupid – stay away from me” wherever I go. I really want to buy and implement the 365 Tiny Love Challenges…but, I honestly don’t know if that is going to put me on the right path. I somewhat feel that I need to be “macho” and do manly stuff to win over the friendship of my male counterparts. So, is 365 just going to lead me to more failed female relationships…essentially because it’s grounded in the concept of love? And, thereby leading me to become more sappy and less manly?

    God, I pray someone can relate or provide help…because I’m exhausted…nothings working…I have no sense of confidence. Being socially awkward since birth…I struggle to find if I will ever find my true love, and true friendships…ever. Not to mention the lack of business relationships…which, I fear, could lead me to unemployment…and ultimately poverty for me and my kids…as I was the sole breadwinner for the family, and still am after the divorce. I love my kids so, so much…I can’t stand the thought of failing them!

    If this post does work, and someone does reply…thank you from the bottom of my heart! You could be saving my life from the useless and lonely direction it has always been heading towards! Is 365 the right direction for me? What do I do?

    #124280
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear needsomehelp:

    You stated that you hate yourself and you re-stated that you definitely do not like yourself.

    This needs to be addressed for the purpose of making friends, as well as for the purpose of improving your mental well being (GAD, Depression).

    You wrote that you were born socially awkward. I wasn’t there at your birth, but how socially astute can a newborn be? So I disagree. You were… made socially awkward through the relationships with your parents, the relationships between your parents that you witnessed as a growing child. Would you like to share about these?

    anita

    #124295
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Wow, a thousand thank yous for replying…Wow. Did not anticipate anyone would reply!

    Before I answer your question: I’ve read a thousand articles that address how to deal with my self-hate. Self-affirmations, working out, gratitude journals, etc…have not worked. The lack of success in my life definitely contributes. Before I take on any challenging task in my profession, I have to spend hours fighting my self-hate before I can proceed with tackling the challenge. And, most of the time, the self-hate wins and I never achieve my goals. I’ve read “You can change your life” by Louise Hay…a well-recognized resource for self-love. No change. That’s why I’m hoping this 365 book may help…? Maybe, my failure stems from the fact of including the exercises for self-love in my daily habits…? There certainly is not any direct activity in my daily habits that address this issue. I need to find a plan and execute to achieve this goal…at least I think I need too…thoughts?

    Yes, my parents were very religious. I was prohibited from doing many things in my childhood for the sake of being a child of faith. These included: not attending any activity involving dance; no extra-curricular activities, especially if they interfered with church activities; no movies…I think you get the idea. Things have certainly changed since those years. My sister rejected their teachings and still blames them to this day. I was obedient and followed their wishes. Believe me…this issue has definitely been addressed with them. I know, this is definitely something that has contributed to what I currently experience. But, I still love them…I know it’s not their fault as they did the best they could under the limited knowledge they had at the time.

    However, even to this day, I have not gained independence from their approval or insights. Often, I lean on them when going through difficult circumstances, rather than being a man and dealing with the issues myself. These circumstances include my ability to comprehend my career and gain competency in my chosen field, rely on them to help in decision on retaining or looking for new work, approval of my girlfriends and comfort for when a relationship ended, (although I’ve never had to ask) if it came to the point where I needed assistance for money…they would help, crying to them for help when my depression is so difficult (I consider them the only friends I have to help me through this depression), and seeking their input (maybe even their approval) before I make any major decisions in my life.

    Many blessings to you for taking the time to respond!

    #124296
    Peter
    Participant

    I relate to you experience.
    As I got older I find it more difficult to find and create meaningful relationships.

    From reading your post I feel we have had similar experience including the negative self talk (negative vibration) so would bet that you also find it easier to love others then you do loving yourself. However here is the rub, we really do love others as we love ourselves.

    To attract the love you hope to experience, you must start will learning how to better love yourself. There are no short cuts. And it becomes more difficult as this is a way of being without expectation, a doing by not doing.

    The 365 Tiny Love Challenges may be a place to start and you might want to investigate the ideas behind the principle of vibration and law of attraction. My understanding is that it kind of becoming, as Gandhi once said, the change you which to see.

    I also found David Richo books quite helpful in helping me understand my role in relationships and what I was looking for. ‘How to Be an Adult in Love – Letting love in Safely and Showing it Recklessly’ was very good.

    In my own journey, I turned to ballroom dancing to engage with new people while keeping active.

    It was very much stepping out of my comfort zone but through the alchemy of dancing I discovered a great deal about myself and my concept of relationship.

    When I got past the stage of worrying about what my feet were doing (I knew what the feet were supposed to do but had to learn to trust them that they would – a doing by not doing). Anyway, I loved the Waltz but discovered that my arms always got tired. I took a lesson from a pro and asked her about it. She told me that my frame and connection was good which made for a ok dance but that she felt me trying to keep her to safe which kept her from opening up to the dance. Essentially because I wanted those I was dancing with to enjoy the dance I had developed a tenancy of holding them up.

    It was understandable, most woman I danced with didn’t crate a strong frame to work with so I created one for the both of us. But it was exhausting and though beginner dancers might have appreciated getting through the steps we weren’t really dancing yet.

    The dance instructor told me that my job in this relationship was to use my frame to create space, doing so allowed my partner to fill it and take ownership of there own space. It seemed counter intuitive. But it changed everything. I found that by creating space, yet intentional frame, my partners would fill it. I didn’t have to “hold them up”. Even if the connection they returned was uncertain the intention in the space I created gave them the freedom to find it. And when we both stopped worrying about getting it right we could fly.

    All relationships are a kind of dance. You need to pick the music and style establish connection, create space and then, well, dance.

    I hope you dance!

    #124297
    norit
    Participant

    Dear needsomehelp,

    The first thing that came to mind when reading your post was a cycle of social anxiety, and you mentioned something similar yourself:

    Feels awkward > no confidence to engage with others > having no friends makes you feel worse about yourself > strengthens negative beliefs about yourself that you’re awkward > repeat.

    Something that might help is remembering that it’s a cycle, and no-where in it is there a chance to meet new people. Need to break the cycle! Maybe something like:

    Feels awkward > lacking confidence but tries any way > first meeting is somewhat awkward but persists instead of backing out because of negative feelings > finds more people to talk to > builds positive self beliefs > continues moving forward.

    You said you leave the groups hating yourself more. Do you ever return? Once people see you as a familiar face, a fellow stranger interested in the group subject, they’ll say hello or you might say hello to them. You’ll learn each others names, and over time things have a chance to grow.

    I don’t know how much time you spend online, but I have found the internet to be very helpful in making friends, especially on websites with shared interests. For example, we are a little tinybuddha community here, and you seem like a very nice person. I hope to see you around more!

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by norit.
    #124299
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    Thank you for the book recommendation, I will certainly look into that. You have certainly blown up my theory on finding “manly” activities in order to foster relationships…certainly a far cry from the fishing, golf, hunting activities that I “think” I should be involved in. Dance would be the last place I would turn to…but, you did…and found your peace in that setting.

    The concept of “space” is one I’m trying to grasp. If I think about “space” in my circumstance, I think that when I am alone, or not involved in a physical activity…maybe my space is developing a place of warmth and love in my own apartment. Then, when the right people enter (and hopefully that time will come)…they will be drawn to this space that I’ve created. Does that make sense? Is it deeper than that?

    Funny, I’ve been thinking about learning some dancing…I love music, but feel so awkward when I attempt to dance to the beat…

    Many blessings for your response!

    #124303
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear needsomehelp:

    You were obedient to your parents and you still reach out to them for comfort. In becoming obedient, loyal to your parents you had to put away an important part of yourself. It is the part that they disapproved of, that the religion disapproved of. If you agree, which part is it, that you put away best you can (a part that won’t disappear as hard as you ever tried)?

    anita

    #124304
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    That’s a very good thought. I frankly do not have an answer as to what part of me I have put away. At least, I don’t have an answer at this very moment. I think the answer to that may come when I experience and try to act on a desire…and then when I see myself holding back…determine if it is a result of the disapproval of my religion or my parents…

    #124306
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    I didn’t see my reply come through…so I will type my response again…sorry if it comes through twice by mistake.

    Yes, I typically return to the same groups…many of them specific to my religion. I definitely see your point on trying to change the spiral in the upward direction.

    I wanted to share this thought, as maybe you can relate. When I am in a new group of people, or am meeting someone for the first time…that is when I am most confident. That’s when the “I’m stupid” sign is not yet over my head. The problem lies in when the relationship extends beyond the first couple of meetings. I soon realize that my initial confidence was really a thin veneer. When that wears away, my true self is exposed…and people are put off by what they see. I then install the “I’m stupid sign.” The person then sees that I truly lack self-love and self-confidence…and really lack in knowledge on the topic that initially brought us together in the first place. As a relationship develops, I get more and more nervous…because I think they will see me for how I really am…a fraud. Any thoughts?

    Thank you so much for your response! Many blessing to you for taking time to respond!

    #124307
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear needsomehelp:

    You are afraid that people will see you for who you really are, a fraud.

    Please do share about that fraud… expose him here. Who is the fraud part of you hiding underneath? Is the person underneath one with the desires (“I think the answer to that may come when I experience and try to act on a desire…and then when I see myself holding back”) and the fraud part is the one holding it back?

    anita

    #124310
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    That I’m outgoing and confident: but I’m not.
    That I’m a CPA: but I’m really lost in my career choice and don’t have the skills necessary
    That I’m mentally capable of handling a relationship: but I suffer from severe depression and anxiety
    That I’m a good person: but focus on myself too much
    That I’m happy with my life: but really not
    That I’m confident in the direction I chose in my life: but I’m 37 and still don’t know
    That I’m going to survive this life: but really think I’m going to end up homeless with no money
    That I am social: but really have no friends
    That I love the Buffalo Bills and am a huge fan: but could only tell you the names of players that I can count on one hand
    Side note: Being a Buffalo Bills fan is certainly cause for depression all by itself…lol… 🙂
    That I’m physically fit: but am really awkward at any sport I try to pick up
    That I love music: but have not excelled at any instrument, nor could I come up with the name of any song or composer that I am listening to…and once a person finds out that I like music, but lack the knowledge base…no longer do they find me interesting…

    Does that make sense?

    #124312
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    It’s almost like I don’t have a “person with desires” or skills to actually hide…

    #124313
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear needsomehelp:

    Yes, it makes sense. The help you need (your username) is not reading MORE articles or practicing MORE positivity (Love Challenges) –

    the help you need, I believe, is in peeling the layers of the fraud off of you. In other words, removing instead of adding:

    Remove the outgoing and confident behaviors.
    Remove confident talk about your career and about relationships.
    Remove any pretenses to be happy or confident, personally and socially. Or that you are a Buffalo Bills fan.
    Remove suggesting you are more knowledgeable on any topic than you are.

    And then, regarding: “That I’m a good person: but focus on myself too much”-

    Tell me more what a “good person” means to you and how are you not a good person.

    anita

    #124317
    Nina Sakura
    Participant

    Dear needsomehelp,

    This might sound like a trite suggestion given the gravity of your issues but perhaps you can go volunteer someplace – a solid 2 hours a week, no worries about socializing, appearing a certain way – simply going there to do a service and see a world outside of your own perception.

    Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our what ifs, get so comfortable blaming ourselves that we forget how much we have done so far anyway – you have a job, you have kids, you have experienced relationships with people. Whether it’s good or bad, you are good or bad is effectively subjective.

    Sure your parents are religious and have their ingrained way of life but it’s you who chooses to turn to them irrespective of having a differing opinion based on your own rationale.

    Now I am not giving you fresh material to hate yourself some more. I am asking you to see your situation a little differently. Who knows what the future will be? Why are you wasting precious time hating yourself, not appreciating whatever you have anyway? So what if you are awkward? At some point everyone has felt out of place with people but they chose to go forward despite this. Do you honestly believe everyone is the same brand of perfect and you are the only one with flaws?

    It’s time you begin to move away from the past and start finding yourself. Take away the external stuff and all you have is you.

    I recommend getting a bit uncomfortable on abregular basis and pushing yourself out of this negative comfortable zone. It’s easy to blame yourself, hate yourself, say this is wrong, that is wrong but you need to try to come out of this. There is much to see in life – good, bad and ugly…but why make it ugly by default anyway?

    Regards
    Nina

    #124353
    LookingForFriends
    Participant

    To everyone – I am overwhelmed at the responses. Thank you!

    Anita – I just need to clarify something to make sure I’m following you. Is another way to say what you shared as follows?: Remove trying to give the perception that I am somebody that I am not? To stop ‘faking it until I make it’?

    If so, am I then defined by all the negative attributes that I listed after each fraudulent statement? Or, am I a clean slate (like Nina stated: “take away the external stuff and all you have is you”) that chooses to be something that I really am, so I can confidently say “I am what I am, and that is no lie”? That being said, I no longer have the burden of living up to the perceptions I generate and transmit to others. I have to admit, I always do feel overwhelmed. However, if I take away all the layers, I guess a lot of weight would fall off of my shoulders…

    The only thing that concerns me about peeling off the “fraud” is that I have always been told to be positive and upbeat around everyone and never show that I am in pain or struggling. That pain or struggling has turned many people away. I’d like to dummy this down to a simple example. If I take the fraud away, and I am struggling…when I see a member of our church walk in and say hello, and they ask me how I am…do I lie and say that “I’m good and I’m happy to see you”…or do I change and say “I’m still struggling with myself, but thanks for asking”?

    Thank you!

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